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Benny
06-18-2004, 01:39 AM
Read this article. I'm sick of both parties (especially the Republicans) trying to censor people who don't have the same viewpoint as them.
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Conservatives to Counter 'Fahrenheit 9/11'

By ANTHONY BREZNICAN, AP Entertainment Writer

LOS ANGELES - While the White House and the Republican National Committee (news - web sites) have taken an official "no comment" approach to Michael Moore (news) and his new anti-Bush documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11," some conservatives have mobilized a letter-writing campaign and crafted ads that slam the film and its maker.

"Fahrenheit 9/11," which won the top prize at the Cannes Film Festival (news - web sites), attacks President Bush (news - web sites)'s rationale for the war in Iraq (news - web sites) and accuses him and his administration of manipulating the Sept. 11 terror attacks and fostering fear for political gain.

The film will be shown at two New York City theaters starting Wednesday before opening June 25 on at least 500 screens nationwide. It's scheduled to expand to hundreds more in the coming weeks.

One of the organizations rallying against Moore is Move America Forward, a pro-Bush group that evolved months ago from the letter-writing campaign that led CBS to drop its controversial TV movie "The Reagans."

The group has received several thousand e-mails of support for its Moore campaign, said executive director Siobhan Guiney, a former Republican lobbyist. But she did not know how many were sent to the various theater chains.

"Since we are the customers of the American movie theatres, it is important for us to speak up loudly and tell the industry executives that we don't want this misleading and grotesque movie being shown at our local cinema," the group says on its Web site, above a listing of phone numbers and e-mails for various cinema companies.

Said Guiney: "(Moore) is critical of what's happening right now, and there's no problem with being critical — but his movie is not a documentary, it's a piece of propaganda."

So far, however, Move America Forward's letters about "Fahrenheit 9/11" haven't changed anything.

"There has been some communication, but not an overwhelming amount. And we do intend to play the film," said Dick Westerling, spokesman for the theater chain Regal Entertainment Group, which has 6,020 screens in the United States.

Move America Forward is funded through private donations, not the Bush campaign or the Republican National Committee, Guiney said.

Who is behind the group?

Howard Kaloogian is the chairman, a former California Assemblyman who helped organize the Gray Davis (news - web sites) recall campaign and made a failed bid for the Republican U.S. Senate nomination.

And who is behind Moore?

One of the filmmaker's press strategists is brass-knuckles political operative Chris Lehane, a former press secretary to Vice President Al Gore (news - web sites) and frequent Democratic aide who worked on the presidential campaigns of John Kerry (news - web sites) and Wesley Clark (news - web sites). Lehane earned a reputation in 2000 for gathering information on political enemies and bringing it to reporters.

Neither Lehane nor Moore would comment for this story.

Another independent conservative group, Citizens United, is crafting video ads for television and the Internet that slam Moore.

The group's head, David Bossie, is a former Republican congressional aide who was one of President Clinton (news - web sites)'s harshest critics. He was fired in 1998 by then-Speaker Newt Gingrich for withholding the public release of testimony transcripts favorable to the Clintons in a campaign fund-raising probe.

Bossie said the ads would target Moore and George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist who donated nearly $13 million to various groups seeking to defeat Bush.

"Look, this guy (Moore) is simply producing and advertising this movie at this time to try to affect the election," Bossie said. "And so clearly organizations like mine ... it seems to be left to us to make sure that the media is educated, as well as the American people are educated, as to just what they're up to."

The liberal advocacy group MoveOn.org is trying to counter the conservative campaign with mass mailings asking members to "pledge to bring their friends, relatives and neighbors" to "Fahrenheit 9/11" on opening night.

Supporters also are sending letters to theaters on Move America Forward's list, urging them not to give in to pressure to block the film.

"My guess is that their efforts will backfire and only rally support for the film, which will be terrific as far as I'm concerned," said Tom Ortenberg, president of Lions Gate Films, which is distributing the movie. "We need less censorship in this country, not more."

Thrizzle
06-18-2004, 01:47 AM
Ha. The Republican party getting mad at a film they call "propaganda". Moore learned from the best!

The Republican party is like a well-oiled machine that will stop at nothing to get what it wants.......and its damn impressive.

Annie Hall
06-18-2004, 05:52 AM
Meh, the minute you start "targeting" George Soros is the minute I really stop believing you're at all credible. He's a brilliant man- and he obviously deeply believes in his political views.

JohnTheHenchman
06-18-2004, 10:46 AM
So all conservatives oppose the first amendment? That's what the title of this thread kind of implies.

jeo4
06-18-2004, 11:32 AM
Yeah, John is right. This implies that Republicans are against freedom of speech. I don't think that's the case, but there are some good arguments for why people are annoyed at them. But who am I to talk? I hate Michael Moore. In fact, if you replace the word propaganda in that article with teh word bullshit, that pretty much sums up my opinion of Moore's films. If stupid people weren't allowed to talk, someone would have sewn his mouth shut long ago and done the same with Bill O'Reilly. Then they'd be locked in the same room and forced to cohabitate until they got along.

:D

Scarface98.9
06-18-2004, 01:35 PM
I bet the Move America Forward people haven't even seen the movie

countchocula
06-18-2004, 01:49 PM
They can craft all of the anti-Moore ads that they want, but to suggest censorship or an outright embargo on Fahrenheit 9/11 is ludicrous (and anti-American, might I add). They should use other mediums to attack Moore. This will only encourage more people to see the film.

SLAW
06-18-2004, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
So all conservatives oppose the first amendment? That's what the title of this thread kind of implies.

Not all do. Nothing can apply to all, but more conservative groups are attempting to somehow regulate what is shown and marketed to people these days. These groups didn't want the Reagans movie shown because it portrayed Reagan as a human being as opposed to a glorified God (and it was good!). FAHRENHEIT 9/11 they should ignore, then maybe it will go away. Not ever likely though.

bmain77
06-19-2004, 12:10 AM
All I know is that up until this particular administration it was actually encouraged to have a dissenting opinion from the government. Hell when Clinton was if office it was a national pastime to make fun of the president and to criticize him.

However, now the complete opposite is the case. If you speak out you are now branded as being un-American. Stations won't play your records anymore (not that less Dixie Chicks is necesarily a bad thing :D ).

All throughout my childhood in school we were taught that America was great, because he could speak out without fear of any repercussions because of it. I honestly don't think that is the case anymore.

Benny
06-19-2004, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
So all conservatives oppose the first amendment? That's what the title of this thread kind of implies.

No, not at all. It was just a quirky headline to get people's attention to read the article. ;)