Janeane Garofalo says the Republican Party is EVIL!

[BorderEevilIII]

I have decided to post this article as a link because its very LONG and seperating the Q & A..........BAH! Humbug! :D


http://www.advocate.com/html/stories/917/917_garofalo.asp

[JohnTheHenchman]

Wow, a typical liberal that believes in voting for Kerry who has a better chance of defeating Bush then a Nader, who has much better ideals.

Gays should be allowed to get married but um, support Kerry anyway, just to get Bush out!

Celebrities (I use the term loosely) have no business in politics because most are shitheads. There is a reason why Air America is already fledgling and it's because it fucking sucks.

[Fisting Ackbar]

Say what you want about the GOP and/or the current administration, but does it really matter what she thinks about them? Is her voice more important than those of other advocates/people?

[Jon Lyrik]

The Republican Party is evil.
The Democratic Party is evil.

I'm honestly sick of both of these parties using guerilla tactics to attack each other.

Which is why we need a new party by yours truly, see attachment.

[Grebdron]

I actually respect Garofalo's opinion, because she has obviously at least educated herself about the things she talks about.

It's not like it's frigging Britney Spears spouting off about politics.

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by Grebdron
It's not like it's frigging Britney Spears spouting off about politics.

Aren't you a supporter of The Two Spears?

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Jon Lyrik
Aren't you a supporter of The Two Spears?

Define supporter.

I think she's a smoking hottie. I don't care for her music, it's not really my bag.

But if she were in the room with me I wouldn't be trying to talk about politics. She's obviously vaccuous.

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Define supporter.

sup·port·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-pôrtr, -pr-)
n.
One that supports, as a structural member of a building.
One who promotes or advocates; an adherent: a supporter of capitalism.
An athletic supporter.
Heraldry. An animal or figure that supports a shield in a coat of arms.

Source: Dictionary (www.dictionary.com)

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
Wow, a typical liberal that believes in voting for Kerry who has a better chance of defeating Bush then a Nader, who has much better ideals.

Gays should be allowed to get married but um, support Kerry anyway, just to get Bush out!

I don't think you understood the question. No one ever said that Kerry was against gays getting married.

What they were asking is that Nader has lots of support from gays and lesbians because his support of gay marriage is a campaign platform for him -- he is vocal about it.

Kerry is against what Bush wants (a constitutional amendment) and is in favor of gay "marriage" as defined by law; however, he doesn't make it a campaign platform. He focuses on "lighter" gay issues like job discrimination.

Garofalo was asked what message she would send to Nader supporters, and she is saying that if you don't vote for Kerry, then there may be a law enacted to prevent you from getting what you want.

I don't know what interpretation you took of the word unequivocally, or what you know about where any of these candidates (except Bush) stands on gay rights.




Celebrities (I use the term loosely) have no business in politics because most are shitheads.

http://www.dixonil.com/reagan/presidnt.jpg

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove

Celebrities (I use the term loosely) have no business in politics because most are shitheads.

http://www.dixonil.com/reagan/presidnt.jpg

Oh, god. How true.;)

The sense I get is that if the celebrity in question agrees with your position going in, most people will be all for it. When the celebrity in question raises issues contrary to ones opinion, they should "shut the fuck up."

As I said previously, I actually admire Garofalo because she knows of what she speaks.

I also admire Dennis Miller...sort of. He is at least educated about what he is saying, but I feel he's gone off the deep end.

The celebrities I don't like hearing from are the ones who are obviously braindead...a la Toby Keith and the Dixie Chicks.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by Grebdron
As I said previously, I actually admire Garofalo because she knows of what she speaks.



Another thing in Garofalo's defense: The head of the Family Values Institute (or something screwy and lame sounding like that) said that he was hoping Nader would run because there Christian's voted last time around, and they need the Nader votes to help Georgie boy win.

I hardly see a difference between a conservative wanting people to vote for Nader, to help Bush and Garofalo wanting people to not vote Nader, to help Kerry.

[Thrizzle]

Nader is secretly Republican.........yea, think about that.

[Morgana]

Ugh. I'm so sick of both the Republicans and the Democrats. I need a fucking revolutionary... a visionary! Somebody who fights for the people, somebody who gets things done, somebody who is able to compromise WISELY. You can't please everyone, I realize, but at least make politics work!

This fucking Republican-Democrat two party system is a ton of bullshit. And I hate the fact that I have to compromise my vote so one asshole doesn't get into the White House before another. Politics in the US needs a serious overhaul!

WHEN will the people be ready to elect an Independent?!!

[ANavissi500]

Originally posted by Morgana

WHEN will the people be ready to elect an Independent?!!

I don't think for a while. It needs to start in the lower levels of politics - and I don't think one U.S. Representative that is independent and Jesse Ventura are spearheading an independent movement. The fact is the two party system works because its a fine tuned machine with millions upon millions of dollars and connections.

[Morgana]

Originally posted by ANavissi500
I don't think for a while. It needs to start in the lower levels of politics - and I don't think one U.S. Representative that is independent and Jesse Ventura are spearheading an independent movement. The fact is the two party system works because its a fine tuned machine with millions upon millions of dollars and connections.

Money talks and bullshit walks, I know. But you would think people would be able to surpass that. You would think people could surpass their traditional upbringing, and they'd be willing to try something new if it meant improvement of their lives. The idealist in me just doesn't understand why people are so opposed to trying something new.

[JohnTheHenchman]

Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of my lifetime.

I was fairly certain Kerry did not totally back gay marriage, I remember reading he supported one thing but was against another.

Keep in mind I think Kerry is a flip flopping piece of shit so whatever he says means dick to me.

[The Postmaster General]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of my lifetime.


Yet you say that celebrities should stay out of politics.



I was fairly certain Kerry did not totally back gay marriage, I remember reading he supported one thing but was against another.


If by backing you mean he was out there performing marriages, then no, he doesn't support it.

I'm not sure what the gay community's problem with Kerry is. He is saying that marriage is a religeous foundation, and that if any law is passed outlawing gay marriage, then another law should be established giving gay couples the same rights as married ones. "civil unions".

It makes sense to me, but in the following article, the headline says he is against gay marriage.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/02/26/kerry_backs_state_ban_on_gay_marriage/

I don't think Kerry is flip-flopping on this issue at all. It is pretty straight forward, and it also tells me that Kerry doesn't even consider this a real issue. If it were up to him anyone could settle down with anyone - at least that's what seems clear. That's the bottom line. I'm thinking, at least with this issue, that the people who are accussing him of "flip-flopping" aren't reading the bottom line.

If Kerry spoke more like George W, I think more people would understand what he is saying. Let me see if I can do a Kerry to Bush translation of the detailed plan Kerry has given to protect gays rights under the law.

KERRY: "If the Massachusetts Legislature crafts an appropriate amendment that provides for partnership and civil unions, then I would support it, and it would advance the goal of equal protection, I think that you need to have civil union. That's my position..."


START BUSH TRANSLATOR
(gurgling sounds)
(Beep)

BEGIN TRANSLATION:

"Gays couples should have the same tax breaks that married couples get."





Keep in mind I think Kerry is a flip flopping piece of shit so whatever he says means dick to me.


Well, I guess close-mindedness is better than no-mindedness.


KERRY: JohnTheHenchman, run the building is on fire!

JohnTheHenchman: Fuck you, you flip-flopping piece of shit!



Welcome to Crazy World!



http://www.bensjunk.com/misc/bush1.jpg

[JohnTheHenchman]

Ummm, what exactly gives you the right to call me closed minded?

I have differing opinions with many people here, but I refuse to judge them personally for it.

[JohnTheHenchman]

Also, I was being facetious about Reagan, I was about 4 years old when he left the white house.

[countchocula]

I've always been neutral in regards to Garofalo, but I agree with everything she said in the interview. It almost pisses me off that Nader is even running.

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
There is a reason why Air America is already fledgling and it's because it fucking sucks.

"Fledgling" means "blossoming."

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by countchocula
"Fledgling" means "blossoming."

Semantics.

[countchocula]

I know. It's just the analytical perfectionist in me.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by countchocula
I know. It's just the analytical perfectionist in me.

That was satirical. Neo-cons just like to bash anything deemed "liberal." Unfortunate choice of words for JTH.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by Morgana

WHEN will the people be ready to elect an Independent?!!


In 2020, when I run. :)

[JohnTheHenchman]

Originally posted by Grebdron
That was satirical. Neo-cons just like to bash anything deemed "liberal." Unfortunate choice of words for JTH.

I'm confuzzled, am I being called a neo-con??

Anyway, I always took fledgling to mean struggling, apparently I am wrong but I know Air America isn't doing so hot and it's because it's boring. The O'Franken factor is somewhat entertaining, but everything else I have tuned into bored me to tears.

[The Postmaster General]

I always took fledgling to mean struggling, apparently I am wrong [/QUOTE]


You're not the only one wrong about that.

I just took the definitions from dictionary.com, so there'd be less question.


fledgling - New and untried or inexperienced: a fledgling enterprise.




Ummm, what exactly gives you the right to call me closed minded?


The First Amendment.

But before you start telling me I have no right to judge you, or that I'm out of line - let me say: I would imagine that you probably aren't close-minded, but, well, let me try to show it to you as it might appear to others.

Watch this....

close-minded - Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas.


You:

Keep in mind I think Kerry is a flip flopping piece of shit so whatever he says means dick to me.


It doesn't take dictionary.com to realize that you are intolerant of the beliefs or opinions of Kerry.


And man, take no offense at being close-minded. I consider myself to be close-minded about many things. Hell, haven't you heard me rant before?

The point is, that like the comment you made about celebrities not being fit for politics, you seem to be taking things to an extreme, and subsequently saying the opposite of what you really mean. That's why you've been labeled a neo-con by others in this thread. It's not an attack of any kind. You, on the other hand have possibly insulted Liberals on multiple occassions in this thread.

Yeah, you might think Garafolo sucks, but you should be more open-minded to the fact that she is part of a group that many other schmoes here belong to, and by insulting her based on her affiliation, you are insulting everyone with that affiliation, which seems to be most members of this board.

If you want to discuss this topic, then that is fine, but if you want to treat this like a celeb talk/gossip forum, and use it as a chance insult, then I'm curious to see where that will go. But out of the 5 posts you've done so far, I've only seen one sentance that added anything to the conversation at hand:

I was fairly certain Kerry did not totally back gay marriage, I remember reading he supported one thing but was against another.

Everything else has either been an insult, or solely about you.

You have great tastes in movies, and seem to have a solid political standing. If that wasn't the case, I'd be ignoring you. So I'm not sure if you take what I suggest seriously - I hope you don't get defensive about it, because it's better hearing this stuff from BubbaStrangelove than someone you are trying to impress. :)

[JohnTheHenchman]

I didn't insult anyone intentionally.

If you told my family I'm conservative, they'd laugh...I'm the only liberal in this house. I"m liberal and conservative on various issues, but the liberalism over shadows whatever I'm conservative on.

But just because I have liberal ideas, it doesn't mean I support every liberal and buy into their bullshit. In my opinion, John Kerry is just as much of a piece of shit as George Bush was, I would have given a lot of thought to voting for Howard Dean had he not fallen so hard, but where I am now, I think the Democrat and the Republican are both douchebags.

I know I'm not a typical liberal, in that I don't think Kerry is what has to be for the country to be better, I don't buy into that for one second.

I can see how the typical liberal statement maybe offended people and for that, I am sorry, for the most part I try to be atleast thoughtful, but sometimes I get riled up.

For the record, I really do think Air America could try and not be so boring, it would help, I'd like to see more liberals on talk radio because the Limbaugh's and the Hannity's make me sick.

Once again, I appologize to anyone I may have unintentionally offended, I will carry myself in the relatively mature manner I usually do.

[The Postmaster General]

I agree. One of the funniest comments Garofalo made was about the conservative radio shows not being funny. But then Air America is way to wry for my tastes. I think the Daily Show is fine enough, and maybe if Air America tried more to entertain, they'd hit the nail a little better.

Also, I know what that lady meant by calling Garofalo a "sour sucker puss" or whatever.

These people get too serious when it comes to complaining. Everything else is a big joke, but they take their complaints really seriously -- At least Garofalo and Franken.

[Morgana]

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman


Once again, I appologize to anyone I may have unintentionally offended, I will carry myself in the relatively mature manner I usually do.

I won't speak for anyone else, but I'm pretty liberal, and I wasn't offended. Maybe a little turned off, but not offended. But this is politics...where would our debates go if we always agreed on everything? This forum would be pretty boring. ;)

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
I didn't insult anyone intentionally.

If you told my family I'm conservative, they'd laugh...I'm the only liberal in this house. I"m liberal and conservative on various issues, but the liberalism over shadows whatever I'm conservative on.

But just because I have liberal ideas, it doesn't mean I support every liberal and buy into their bullshit. In my opinion, John Kerry is just as much of a piece of shit as George Bush was, I would have given a lot of thought to voting for Howard Dean had he not fallen so hard, but where I am now, I think the Democrat and the Republican are both douchebags.

I know I'm not a typical liberal, in that I don't think Kerry is what has to be for the country to be better, I don't buy into that for one second.

I can see how the typical liberal statement maybe offended people and for that, I am sorry, for the most part I try to be atleast thoughtful, but sometimes I get riled up.

For the record, I really do think Air America could try and not be so boring, it would help, I'd like to see more liberals on talk radio because the Limbaugh's and the Hannity's make me sick.

Once again, I appologize to anyone I may have unintentionally offended, I will carry myself in the relatively mature manner I usually do.


Wha?!?! I'm glad you explained your leanings, John. I for one am neither right nor left, really. I make judgements based on the individual situation. And I'm not sold on Kerry, either. But I'm so UNSOLD on Bush, I'll take him.

I hereby retract my "neo-con" statement, and issue myself a thorough tongue-lashing.

[JohnTheHenchman]

Yeah, It's so easy to see what someone says and think "oh, he's a conservative or he's a liberal" I've been called both before although I'm very much a centrist or a libertarian, really...I dunno I try not to classify myself.

About voting for Kerry, I can understand why her and many liberals would vote for him, he has the best chance at beating Bush, I just really wish one of the other Democrats would have had the success he has had. I understand why people stress voting for Kerry instead of third party, but I don't agree with it, he has the makings of another terrible president in my opinion.

But yes, John has revealed himself to be just as much as a hippie as he is a rich ceo...it's all about balance.

[Benny]

While I personally agree with what she's saying, Garofalo pisses me off. She always acts like she's too good for anyone else, and it seems like if you tried to compliment her, she'd punch you in the face. The show "Daria" was in part so funny because Daria seemed a lot like Garofalo. If you read the SNL book Live From New York, Garofalo comes off as a real jerk in that too.

The best liberal on talk radio right now remains Howard Stern. :p

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by Benny
The best liberal on talk radio right now remains Howard Stern. :p

Stern is dA sHiZzLe, but is he really a liberal?

[Benny]

Originally posted by Jon Lyrik
Stern is dA sHiZzLe, but is he really a liberal?

Actually I don't know, but I can tell you he's definitely NOT conservative. I've heard him mouth off about the FCC and Bush and Iraq quite a few times.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by Benny
If you read the SNL book Live From New York, Garofalo comes off as a real jerk in that too.


Totally. I'm sure her lack of skits had more to do with her winning personality and not some male conspiracy as she seems to think.

[Lynn7]

I have always enjoyed her comedy and I really liked her in The Truth About CAts and Dogs. I watched her debate during the prewar stuff and I thought she had really done her homework and supported her points well (although I did not agree with her positon she was not just flame throwing). I am disappointed that she has grouped a class of Americans as evil (almost half the population?!!) I haven't read the article yet but I will when I get a chance. I am not a Republican (Im an independent) but I vote exclusively Repub now so I guess I must be evil in her eyes. Why does she want to offend her fans like that?

[countchocula]

Originally posted by Lynn7
I am disappointed that she has grouped a class of Americans as evil (almost half the population?!!)

She never says that Republicans are evil. The title is just a hyperbole.

[Lynn7]

Countchocula- Actually what she said is even worse!!! I am going to have to revise my positive opinion of Janine. She does class all Republicans together. There is a huge lack of tolerance for other people's points of views:

Question-There seems to be a lack of humor on right-wing radio shows. Why are irony and satire so central to Air America?


"I think it’s because traditionally, [comedy] hasn’t been a part of talk radio. A lot of the radio right-wingers don’t have great senses of humor. They have mean-spirited senses of humor or sarcasm or they play real fast and loose with the truth. But part of the reason why they’re so far to the right is that they’re not particularly intellectual, analytical thinkers. Politics is very personality-driven, and there’s a reason why a lot of people go hard-core to the right and tend to be slightly sexist, homophobic, or slightly racist. I’m using the term “slightly” in some cases, and maybe not slightly at all in other cases. I’m not saying that all of them are stupid; that would be too reductive. But the reason why a lot of people are hard-core to the right is because of their personality type. I went to the women’s march last Sunday, and there were a handful of antichoice people on the sidelines harassing the marchers. Most of them were men, of course who cannot get pregnant, so I don’t know why they have so much say in it, but some of them were shouting very misogynist things through their megaphones."


People who belong to Peta do not protest animal rights? Aren't prolifers entitled to the same right o speak for an issue they beleive in? don't gay groups protest and make themselves heard. I guess conservatives cannot have a voice in their own issues. And men should have at least a voice in abortions since the baby is made up of half their DNA.

I am so sick of conservatives being labeled as racist homophobic or sexist. It is a tactic used to discount any opposing point of view ont he issues. and I listen to conservative talk shows all the time and I find some of them to be very funny. And for her to call conservatives mean spirited? Her comments seem very mean spirited and intolerant.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Lynn7
People who belong to Peta do not protest animal rights? Aren't prolifers entitled to the same right o speak for an issue they beleive in? don't gay groups protest and make themselves heard. I guess conservatives cannot have a voice in their own issues. And men should have at least a voice in abortions since the baby is made up of half their DNA.

Speak on an issue? Yes. That's what you're doing.

Bomb an abortion clinic? No.

Gay bash? No.

[countchocula]

Originally posted by Lynn7
I am so sick of conservatives being labeled as racist homophobic or sexist. It is a tactic used to discount any opposing point of view ont he issues. and I listen to conservative talk shows all the time and I find some of them to be very funny. And for her to call conservatives mean spirited? Her comments seem very mean spirited and intolerant.

You're twisting her words. She never said that ALL conservatives have a mean-spirited sense of humor. In fact, she was only speaking of right-wing radio hosts, and even then, she didn't pigeonhole all of them.

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Speak on an issue? Yes. That's what you're doing.

Bomb an abortion clinic? No.

Gay bash? No.

Bomb abortion clinics? there have been a few. and Peta has engaged in some pretty outrageous tactics themselves although not life threatening that I am aware of.However, some of the environmental groups have engaged in some bombings and how about when they spike trees and casue the loggers bodily harm? There are kooks in every movement.

There are some anti-gay Christains who recieve a tremendous amount of press and there are some gays who are very anti-Christian who desecrate churches. Again- some kooks on both sides.


Count- she did not say "all" but she used the trigger words that so many people use when referring to the right. It really riles me becasue I know tons of people on the right and none of them fit that description (although I'm sure there are some that are) but the words are used to discredit the opposing point of view. Name calling is a below the belt tool of debate.