SPIDER-MAN 2

[Jon Lyrik]

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This summer a man will face his destiny. A hero will be revealed

Release Date: June 30th, 2004 (Wednesday; 3,700+ theaters)

Plot: Peter Parker's having a rough time. His double life as the superhero Spider-Man is having a devastating impact on his civilian life. Things are so bad he declares that he's quitting, and never putting on the suit again. However, his sense of duty forces him to become a hero again when the brilliant scientist Dr. Otto Octavius is deformed in an accident and becomes Dr. Octopus. With four metal tentacles sticking out of his back, he'll prove to be a more than worthy opponent for Spider-Man.--rmlohner, IMDb.com

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Obviously, I can't wait to see this one. Loved the original, loved the trailers, and word has it this blows the original out of the water.

My box office predictions:

Opening Day (Wednesday, June 30): $35,610,926
Second Day (Thursday, July 1st): $27,598,468; -22.5%
Third Day (Friday, July 2nd): $32,648,988; +18.3%
Fourth Day (Saturday, July 3rd): $43,925,132; +34.5%
Fifth Day (Sunday, July 4th): $37,494,493; -14.6%
Sixth Day (Monday, July 5th HOLIDAY): $25,241,293; -32.6%

Opening Weekend (3-Day): $114,068,613
Opening Weekend (4-Day): $139,309,906
Opening Week (5-Day): $177,278,007
Opening Week (6-Day): $202,519,300

Final Domestic Gross: $445,899,427
Final International Gross: $453,925,617
Final Worldwide Gross: $899,825,044

[MadsenOMC]

I am one of the few people who didn't care for the first one. The Green Goblin is one of the dumbest characters in the history of movies. Every second he is onscreen, the movie suffered. Overall, I found it mediocre at best. Not bad, but nothing special.

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I am one of the few people who didn't care for the first one. The Green Goblin is one of the dumbest characters in the history of movies. Every second he is onscreen, the movie suffered. Overall, I found it mediocre at best. Not bad, but nothing special.

I thought the suit hurt his character. Made him look like something straight out of Power Rangers. Otherwise found him pretty good.

At least he wasn't Terl in Battlefield Earth. Now that is cheese.

[sharkstank]

CAN NOT WAIT!!!!!!!!!

mercury news gave me a pass to see it monday at a screening. i have a press pass, so im guaranteed a seat! i'll post a short review when i get back from it on monday.

CAN NOT WAIT!!!!

loved the first one (***1/2) and this one looks evven better

WWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Christoph]

Spider-Man is one of the greatest films of all time, if not the greatest action (after kill bill)...

10/10... But it's not like "I can't wait!"... I'm very excited but they waited a bit long that they lost me... I'll still be tehr opening night in respect for the first.

[Strider]

Well, what can I say? I thought the first film was awesome. And I think Spider-Man 2 is going to be even better. I've been a die-hard fan of Spider-Man since a child, so it goes without saying that I cannot wait to see this sequel. I only hope Sam Raimi improves on the character development this time around, for that was my only complaint about the original. Anyway, as I said, I think this is going to be an excellent comic-book film, and I plan to see it several times over the week and 4th of July weekend.

Anyone catching a midnight screening? I'm thinking about it.

Strider

[Sigur509]

Originally posted by Strider

Anyone catching a midnight screening? I'm thinking about it.

Strider

Yep.

Yes, the first was awesome, and this looks even better. So, yes I will be seeing this.

[Fisting Ackbar]

I'll definitely see it, but I'm going to be pissed if that fag Peter Parker turns down Mary Jane again at the end.

[Moviefan1234]

I loved the first, and if the early reviews are any indication, this one is even better. I find it hard to believe, but it could be so. Anyway it goes without saying that I'll be seeing this baby very quickly upon its release.

[Anthony4sho]

Spider-Man is probably the best comic book movie ever done besides XMEN, and this one looks even better. Can't wait to see this.

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by Strider
Anyone catching a midnight screening? I'm thinking about it.

Yes, if I can help it. It's going to be a bit of a travel though, have to go out 20 miles or so to a theater in Plainville because it's the only theater around that's showing a midnight screening (or even open at that time at all).

[blankpage]

This one looks good, but I'm not terribly excited. The original "Spider-Man" gets worse with each viewing, IMO, so I don't know what to think of the sequel. I'm going in with an open-mind, obviously, but I wouldn't be surprised if I were disappointed.

[Jon Lyrik]

By the way, if you click on the picture of Spidey and Mary-Jane, you can view the trailer.

Thought ya'll should know that.

[Lylandra]

James Franco is hot.

Will they introduce Firestar in future Spiderman movies? She is cool.

[Lynn Minmei]

I'll try to see this around sometime when it opens up.

And though I usually don't say this, I like the soundtrack for this movie. The song "Hero" that they used for the last Spider-Man movie was way too testosterone-driven compared to the movie. This time they're using "Vindicated" by Dashboard Confessional, which is angsty enough for Peter Parker.

The reviews have been positive, so I'm expecting a film as good as the last one.

[Kidsilk]

I am really hyped for this movie. I've seen nothing but good reviews. The book was amazing.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Yes , this does look to be light years ahead of the first one , a film which i hated at first , then was mildly obsessed with , then pissed because nobody would admit it ripped off the Batman and Supe films , now at peace with myself , i think it's excellent , a very effective introduction to the Peter Parker / Spiderman character .


I still feel something was missing , mainly some stilted performances by James Franco and Kirsten Dunst ( they slept through the whole thing ) , a horrible villian ( what a dreadful perf by Will ( The Joker ) Dafoe ( Nicholson set the standard for comic book villians and now everyone is trying to top him , including Molina from what i've seen ) , and somewhat ineffective CGI . No matter , and in spite of all of the problems i had with it , it's right up there with Batman ( still the standard ) and Superman as far as comic book heroes films go .


So , now we come the sequel . No need to set up the characters ( save for the villain and some ancilliary characters ) or the genesis of Spiderman , they can just about jump right into the proceedings without slowing down . Spidey's legend has already been expertly introduced , now in this one it will be solidified in cinema history . I don't see this film being anything short of perfect , hitting all the right cinematic notes that fans of comic book films crave for and fantasize about , hell , it will hit notes that anyone who loves film craves .



Forget about Shrek 2 , Day After , Troy , Van Smellsing ( i'm still extremely high on King Arthur ) , this is the one film that will blow people away and bring tears to their eyes for the summer season , and i can't wait , although i still wish the insufferable love story angle was dropped and that Molina wasn't Dr Octopus ( he's going to ham away something fierce , ouch ) .



note - last year i said T3 was going to be the film of the summer , but i think i may have been munching on mushrooms at the time , this time i'm making these predictions with a clear mind , it's going to be spectacular .


200 mil for the five day take , 230 mil for the six day .

[Anthony4sho]

I agree with you Dellamorte, they should have used someone else for Dr.Ock. But on the other hand I really don't like that villian to begin with. Either way, it'll be a good movie.

[bob]

I would be front row center for this film...but they didn't cast Bruce Campbell as Doc Ock.

That, coupled with the fact that I give Spider-Man an F, and I'll skip this.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

I loved the first one although it doesn't hold up with repeat viewings. Number 2 looks better though and the hype is huge, its nearly impossibly not to get taken in by it. Plus, Taking Back Sunday has a great song on the osundtrack.

[ilovemovies]

I've only gone to one midnight showing in my life. That was Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones. I would only go to a midnight showing of a movie that I'm REALLY excited about! This MOST DEFINATELY counts! I'll be there Tuesday on midnight! I'm so excited and was thrilled when Ebert called Spider-Man possibly the greatest super hero movie ever! Man, Tuesday can't here soon enough!

[Kim_EZ]

I will see this, but I can't stand Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane. She's just not right for the job.

[ANavissi500]

Originally posted by Kim_EZ
I will see this, but I can't stand Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane. She's just not right for the job.

I think they should have gone with Alicia Witt.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Thought i was the only one who thought Dunst just wasn't right for the part in SM 1 , and that Molina is a dubious choice to play the villain in part 2 . I forgot that Campbell was one of the choices to play the Doc , that would have been great , but maybe the studio felt he's mainly a b movie attraction , and that it would be better to cast someone who has done more diverse roles and is more recognizable to the mainstream , for a role in a film this expensive . Still would have been nice to see him in this , he deserves it , and prob would have done a much better job than Molina .

I disagree that Doc Oc is not a good choice for the nemesis in SM2 ( only the guy playing him ) , especially judging from the trailers , although i did have reservations at first , just seeing some of the creative ways Raimi has utilized his unique powers has convinced me it will be one of the best comic book villains ever created . That character is tailor made for the Manhattan setting , as is Spiderman , and they seem to have exploited the tentacle dude to his fullest extent , better than i could have imagined .


There is one weird thing though , when all is said and done , i don't think the casting really matters to much in these films , it's not as critical as a film such as LOTR , anyone could have replaced almost anyone in both films , and it wouldn't have mattered , but with a few tweaks the first one could have been just a smidgen better . I'm sure it's the same for the sequel , because does anyone think the film wouldn't have worked with Gylenhall , to cite one example . Even though i like continuity , and i wouldn't have wanted to see another person play Parker / Spiderman .


I would still hope that Carnage and Hobgoblin ( it's already been set up for him to be in one of the films ) are in the third , but don't want to think too far ahead . Just want to enjoy this one , and i'm more than confident i will .

[Poeman]

i have screening passes for this in 2 days. i will let you all know how it is

[GodMagnus]

The only thing that bothers me about Molina is that as far as I can remember, Doc Ock should have a german accent...Alfred M. doesn't sound like he does in SM2...Eitherway, Spidey has ALWAYS been my fav of all super heros, so I look forward to this. That and AVP :)


BTW, I loved SM1. GREAT movie.

[Thrizzle]

I think Spider-man 2 will be the best superhero movie to date.

At first i was sceptical of Doc Ock being the villain, but he looks awesome and all the scenes i've seen with Molina look amazing. Damn why can't it be wednesday already.

[Deckard]

Spidey 2 (8/10)


Was lucky enough to receive preview tickets to a sneak preview of SPIDERMAN 2 yesterday.

So the good news is at the end of the day the second installment is better than the first. Doc Ock is superb and the action scenes are near faultless. When these 2 rumble in the urban jungle the earth truly does quake.

Tobey Maguire is comfortable in the role of Parker and has to display a lot more emotion. Kirsten Dunst looks decidedly older and fortunately does more than just play the damsel in distress screaming on cue. This time her charecter is given depth and emotion.

The story pretty much sticks to the comic folk lore it is based upon. There are some slight changes with charecter backgrounds but all in all it plays out as it should. (Kinda like Superman II)

Now for the negatives, this film could do with about 15 minutes cut out, with editing it could have been a tight, punchy affair. But just like X Men 2 there are needless gags, scenes put in just for laughs and repetition in the dialogue. The pacing is off and by the end the whole thing seems dragged out.

Overall the film still delivers what you excpect, an expansion of the charecters universe, bigger, better action set pieces and eye candy galore. Oh and ofcourse it leaves itself setup for the next instalment.

[Tweek]

I can't wait!

I think that there's going to be a fakeout with the spider-man revealed thing.
There was always a fakeout in the spider-man comics

[Tweek]

Oh and that poster rocks!

Finally they're bringing in the shot of Peter with his spidey sense tingling...hehehe tingling

[Tweek]

Originally posted by Deckard
and fortunately does more than just play the damsel in distress screaming on cue. This time her charecter is given depth and emotion.



Oh thank God.

Okay, that's three posts in a row..


-backs away-

[Benny]

By far my most-anticipated film of the summer. The first one was a great kickoff to the summer two years ago, a near-flawless mix of action, comedy, and drama, with good acting to boot. I originally gave it an 8/10, now I'm thinking it deserves a 9.

Ever since the sequel was announced, I've been greatly anticipating this film. Maguire, Dunst, and Franco are all back, as is director Sam Raimi. The previews have been tight for the sequel, and from them, this second film looks to be just as good as the first. Alfred Molina's villain, Dr. Octopus, has the potential to be as menacing of a villain as Dafoe's Green Goblin was. So yeah, June 30, I will more than likely be there to see this.

[Thrizzle]

So far it has 12 Fresh Tomatoes and 0 rotten.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Dunst is given more depth , considering she was one dimensional in the first , that probably wasn't too hard to pull off . All she was was eye candy with nice breasts in the original with a blank , spaced out look on her face . I guess the added depth will encompass her difficult choice to get it on with Franco , that military dude , or Parker , or maybe all three , oh so melodramatic and riveting .


Parker has the gut wrenching decision to keep on fighting crime or giving it all up and just be a regular shmoe . What should he do , i'm on the edge of my seat , it's going to surprise me when that mystery is finally revealed .


His friend Harry will have to decide if he's going to be a vacuous trust fund baby playboy all his life or does he have a higher calling . Already know the answer to that one , he's going to carry on his father's legacy , become the Hobgoblin and exact revenge on Spiderman for killing his father . That's not until the next film though , or maybe the one after that .

[go2]

oh i cant wait to see this movie.it looks amazing and it's getting excellent reviews.100% on rotten tomatoes so far so good.im seing it opening day.and i know it's gonna be sold out so i better get my tickets fast.

[Anthony4sho]

I hope harry doesn't become the hobgoblin in the 3rd one. I'd rather see Carnage and Venom in the 3rd.

[Tweek]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore

His friend Harry will have to decide if he's going to be a vacuous trust fund baby playboy all his life or does he have a higher calling . Already know the answer to that one , he's going to carry on his father's legacy , become the Hobgoblin and exact revenge on Spiderman for killing his father . That's not until the next film though , or maybe the one after that .


he becomes green goblin II...unless they change it for the movie.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Same difference . Just caught a little fight clip on Ebert and Roeper , hate to say it , but it looked horrible , and totally fake , piss poor bluescreen work considering this is a 200 mil dollar pic , come on they have to do better than that .

[Thrizzle]

Lol. Maybe for 200 Mil they can fund a science experiment to actually create a Spiper-man. Think about that.....

I really hope Green Goblin "2"(they are all the same when the suit goes on) isnt in the third one. Wouldn't it be cool if Harry decided to use his fortune to hire badass super-villians to go after Spider-man, like the Shocker, Rhino and etc.
Or, Spider-man gets the Symbiote suit and kicks the shit out of Harry as Green Goblin, and it sets up Venom and Carnage.

[Mr.HyDe807]

Im so friggin excited for this damn movie, i love the first one {9/10} and anticpating for the 2nd.

However,concerning the 3rd spider man with hobgoblin or venom, i dont think the venom thing would work. I dont know, i really dont think it would work in the movie!

[Tweek]

(they are all the same when the suit goes on)

yeah, the numbers are just a distinction.


Hobgoblin looks nothing like the green goblin though.




However,concerning the 3rd spider man with hobgoblin or venom, i dont think the venom thing would work. I dont know, i really dont think it would work in the movie!

They should save it for the last leg of the series, methinks.

[10PoundBrown]

Originally posted by Tweek
Oh and that poster rocks!

Finally they're bringing in the shot of Peter with his spidey sense tingling...hehehe tingling



MAN OH MAN, DOES DUNST MAKE ME TINGLE!! I think I just soiled my spider man underoos.

[Poeman]

Here's my thought!: Allright you guys i just got back and im achy and tired. and energetic so bare with me.

The question, What is a hero? has surfaced many times in films I have seen and finally i saw it in the portrayal of this superhero. This movie is without a doubt the one film of this year that has the full package. It never dissapointed. I was left hanging for more.
I arrived at my screening 3 hours in advance and found out a line was almost 1 block long!. WTF. well i made through it standing in the scorching nyc sun and got my seat in the center of the theater with the stereos centered on me. :cool: Enough of me.

The movie starts of with Peter Parker going back to doing what he does best. That is, be our friendly neighborhood spider-man.
This time around the movie shows more hardships and struggles that peter has gone through. I really felt for this guy. Everyone wants to be Spider-man, but no one wants to be Peter Parker.

Peter is trying to survive his life as many of you know doing his duties as Spider-man and go to school, work, and pay the rent.
This time around i guarntee there will be more of the connection with people and peter parker. Everywhere he goes he ends up getting something bad happen to him. So much goes wrong with Peter Parker and the result we all no is him quoting "Spider-man no more". i love what becomes of this, this is the realization Peter gets which are you have to make sacfrices even if it is your dream to do the right thing in this world.
Remember this, because it is what makes our main character stronger.
Eventually Peter becomes Spider-man again because there is a villian around. Doctor Octupus. He is terrorizing the town to do what he wants. He wants to accomplish 'HIS dream'. i wont say just find out. :) when you watch.

Time for the goodies
This movie was a blast. i enjoyed EACH AND EVERY MOMENT Spider-man and Dr.Ock were on screen. Man the scenes that come to mind right away are.
*** Brief Spoiler of locations of confrontations***
1) Spider-man and Dr.Ock at the bank and how it leads up to the top of this building. this is the best action part of the movie. really my heart was going "dum dum" Heart pounding action. Back and forth they went.
2) Spider-man and dr.ock at the train scene. I will say this the action in this scene is truly magical. Spiderman uses the ULTIMATE strength to stop this train from falling off. Beautiful. Dr.Ock is the man in this scene. THE MAN!!!!!!!!!
3) Final Confrontation. Brilliance at its best. A person must realize what is the right thing and choices are made once again. I will tell you this there isnt a mega action fight here. you can say that is the super cool train scene.

The bad stuff
Well nothing to make this movie lower terribly. Some scenes dragged a bit. The ending was a pit funny and may i sy a little to corny. MJ running in her wedding dress to peter's apt. she makes her choice. NOTHING ELSE!!!!.

Charactcers:
- Tobey(Peter)= His progress from the first film is very good. He is less tense i think and i notice how much he likes his role now. You can see he portrays Peter better this time. I love every scene that has something go wrong for him. Not in a mean way, just the way he shows it on screen. His best one liner - " I'm Back I'm Back... MY BACK MY BACK" ahahahah some of you might know this scene was when he has lost strentgh he tries to believe in himself again so he tries to jump from building to building(im back im back) and falls and hits the cars below(my back my back) ahahaha

Kristen Dunst(Mary Jane)- She is fine in her role. I think i have gotten attached to her in this role so she does what she does. Good job

James Franco(Harry)- HA! This guy is at the peak of brilliance in acting. He has one more film to prove he is the next up and coming hollywood megastar.

Aunt May- This woman who played Aunt May really brought the biggest emotional punch!. I think she is a scene stealer. a SCENE STEALER. I think every line she said made me think about my mother. She is such a importance to Peter and the woman who played her just made me almost teary eyes :(. What a role. she does a fine job as a aunt and really in the 1st film she was not a great deal to me as a character in the film. BUT here she just makes the film one of the best movies of the year.

DR.OCK!(Alfred Molina)- Let me say Alfred did this job with full confidence and acted in his own way. He did not OVERACT and he did not make Dr.Octupus a overly pompus prick or just plain annoying. He played himself. We have had villians such as Tommy Lee Jones as the two face just piss me off. Dr.Ock he is the meaning of coolness. Now... now... he is not that menacing as he seemed to me in the comics. Till you really tick him off.:cool: I liked the conversation he had with Peter in the beginning. I think Dr. Otto was a Hippy it seemed back in the day. His wife and him seemed like it. that just might be me though. His presence is very powerful. Like a T-rex. everytime he seems to be near you hear the DUM and DUM of the tentacles hitting the wall/ground. Better then William Dafoe i think, but William had to play a tougher villian IMO.

Final Thoughts.

I love the Origin of Spider-man the way he lives his daily life. I thought they showed a good amount in the first film. This movie they show more hardships, struggles, pain and triumph overall. The emotion and drama is what made all the critics love this movie along with the action that is i think almost hardcore and fast paced. The annhilation of the doctors = Hardcore :cool:
I have heard X-men 2 comparisons and superman 2 comparision. i think this movie is at moments much more deeper and more darker as X-men 2 was. It settles down alot and lets the life of Peter progress. the part of Dr.Ock coming in makes the movie the 'FUN and action packed drive'.
There is so much more to say but im worn out for now and i proud to say this movie has everything in one film. Secrets are revealed, mysteries are solved and the anticapation builds up even more for the next film. SM-3. The movie can go only 1 way in the next film and I REALLY THINK the franchise with this whole cast needs to be pushed to ONE more just one more film. making it 4. BUT as for this movie i expected it to be one of my best action movies ever. But it ended up being one of my best overall movies ever. The whole package!.

10/10

[sharkstank]

great post poeman. i just got back too (HUGE line, but i had my pass) so here's my mercury news review. btw, i agree with alot of your points, and it was a bit cheesy in some areas. great movie though. the docotrs scnee was hardcore. awesome showing by molina

'Spider-Man 2'
Rated PG-13
Now Playing
***1/2

The biggest superhero movie to hit multiplexes since, well, 'Spider-Man' has finally arrived and it does not disappoint either the die hard comic book or the casual movie goer. It's been two years since Peter Parker (Tobey Maguire) first became Spidey, and everything is going wrong in his life. Soon, Doctor Otto Octavius begins to wreak havoc on New York, forcing him to decide quickly about what he will do.

At it's heart, this movie is a character piece on Peter Parker. We care about him and that is what makes the dramatic moments more meaningful. But this isn't just the Peter Parker story. All of the characters are given ample screen time to allow us to invest our interest. A whole third of the movie doesn't even feature the hero, so it pays off. Mary Jane isn't just the damsel in distress, Harry isn't just looking for revenge and Peter isn't just confused. It all goes beyond the usual good guy/bad guy action routine.

'Spider-Man 2' is able to balance action, humor and drama and package all those components into a great comic book movie. Actually, if you take away the excellent action sequences, this would still be a very interesting film. We have an interesting and more menacing villain, an interesting story and interesting dilemmas. And the effects and batles don't appear gimmicky or fake. And it all works in molding an exciting piece of work. Better than the first, 'Spider-Man 2' delivers in spades. And the Green Goblin's day-glo suit is not missed.

WWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[dellamorte dellamore]

I don't know but some of the bluescreen work looks way fake , namely the scene when they are fighting on top of some building . So far , i really don't think the CGI looks that great , especially considering this is a 200 million dollar pic .

Maybe i just got spoiled by LOTR so i expect a bit more than what they created . Then again i'm just basing this on the trailers , i'll know for sure tommorow .

[Lynn7]

I can't wait to see this movie- I loved the first one and I love Comic book movies (that are done well).

My one complaint is that as the cast goes around doing interviews the questions to them are always the same. The media is seriously dumbed down these days.Can't they think of anything new and different to ask? If I hear them ask once more about Tobey McGuire's problems with his back I think I'll scream. They even asked Kirsten Dunst about this (in two different interviews I've seen!)

[edonline]

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/9039016.htm

Posted on Tue, Jun. 29, 2004

'Spider-Man 2' Hints at Future Foes

ANTHONY BREZNICAN
Associated Press

LOS ANGELES - In "Spider-Man 2," the webslinger faces down eight-armed Doctor Octopus, but the movie also includes some side characters who will become bad guys in future Spidey movies.

Here is a look at some of the foreshadowed villains:

The Lizard: One of Peter Parker's closest friends is Dr. Curt Connors, a professor who encourages his interest in science. Connors is missing an arm, and in the comic books his character creates a treatment designed to emulate the way some reptiles re-grow lost limbs. The procedure goes awry, however, transforming him into a scaly, cold-blooded green troublemaker. In "Spider-Man 2," the still-human doctor is portrayed by Dylan Baker (who played Robert McNamara in "Thirteen Days" and the fussy mob accountant in "Road to Perdition").

Green Goblin: Yes, you saw the Green Goblin die in the original "Spider-Man" movie when the evil character Norman Osborn (portrayed by Willem Dafoe) was killed in combat with Peter Parker. But Osborn's son, Harry (played in both movies by James Franco,) has harbored a deep resentment of the webslinger ever since - and he has vowed revenge, unaware that Spidey is actually his longtime friend Peter Parker. Eventually, Harry takes up his father's glider-riding and pumpkin-bomb-throwing ways.

Man-Wolf: J. Jonah Jameson is the loudmouthed, fist-pounding editor of The Daily Bugle - but his son John is an American astronaut who travels to the moon. In "Spider-Man 2," the handsome John Jameson (played by relative newcomer Daniel Gillies) has romantic interests in Parker's would-be girlfriend Mary Jane Watson. In the comic-book lore, John Jameson develops superhuman strength from moon crystals and they eventually transform him into a half-wolf, half-man creature.

[Anthony4sho]

I really don't hope any of those villians are in the 3rd one. We need serious ones, like Venom and Carnage. Those two in a movie would be a blast.

[Shockwave]

I think its gonna be Hobgoblin up to bat , I KNOW he becomees Green Goblin in the comic but they have stated before that Harry might become Hobgoblin back when the first movie was being made and it would cut down on repitition.

I also think it would look better, just paint the Goblin suit gold/blue and rearange it a little for a new effect.


Venom should be saved till more torward the end but i wont complain if he drops in early.:cool: Maybe they can make him an experiment at Os-corp to bring down Spider-man?

...as for Carnage, i say fuck him! Hes lame Venom rip-off that should never see the screen. He is a one-sided, paper-thin killer that wouldnt do ANYTHING for the saga that Venom couldnt do better!

Id much rather see Mysterio or The Black Cat! That would rock hard and at least they are interesting characters as well as having cool powers.

[Anthony4sho]

If Venom is thrown in, then they have to throw in Carnage. They are both related characters. It would go like this.

Venom appears and fights with Spidey for a little while, and then Carnage is born from the thing that split off from Venom. And since Venom hates Carnage, and Spidey is trying to beat him they both team up towards the end to beat him, since Venom is crazy, but not 100% evil.

Anyways, there is no need for more than 3 Spider-Man movies. I personally think The Lizard and Mysterio wouldn't make good big screen characters cuz they just aren't menacing. I wanna see enemies Spidey actually has a challenge with.

[Thrizzle]

For me, no more gliders. The action would be too familiar. I think Spider-man should be given some lesser villians that are tought but don't give him too much trouble, and they can be fought and beaten in 10-20 minutes, like Shocker, Man-wolf, Lizard, etc. And maybe they're easier because he has the symbiote suit? Maybe set up SM 4?

[FerrellFan911]

I got my ticket! I got my ticket! I got my ticket!

That's all I have to say, thanks for your time...

[Poeman]

well after seeing the film. it needs to be pushed to 4 films.

spider-man 3 villian sould be: HobGoblin and lizard
spider man 4 villian should be: a friend of peter at the bugle Eddie Brock the one they call venom and a minor villian such as shocker.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I have a feeling i'm going to get Spiderman fatigue by the time the third rolls around , the whole showdown with a psychotic villian thing can only be taken so far , then it's just redundant . Even Batman needed a little break ( James Bond should have but he didn't ) , and this franchise is going to go 7 , oh boy .

[Tweek]

if they do venom it'll be sort of a change up
because he's a darker villain
and he wasnt part of a science experiment that went horribly wrong

[AgentSmith]

SPIDER-MAN 2 / **** (PG-13)

June 29, 2004

Peter Parker/Spider-Man: Tobey Maguire
Mary Jane Watson: Kirsten Dunst
Dr. Otto Octavius: Alfred Molina
Harry Osborn: James Franco
Betty Brant: Elizabeth Banks
Snooty Usher: Bruce Campbell
Aunt May: Rosemary Harris
J. Jonah Jameson: J.K. Simmons
Louise: Vanessa Ferlito



Sony Pictures Classics presents a film directed by Sam Raimi. Produced by Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin. Written by Michael Chabon, Miles Millar, Alfred Gough and Alvin Sargent. Based on the comic book by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. Running time: 125 minutes. Rated PG-13 (for stylized action violence). Opening Wednesday in local theaters, with some showing the film at midnight tonight.

BY ROGER EBERT

Now this is what a superhero movie should be. "Spider-Man 2" believes in its story in the same way serious comic readers believe, when the adventures on the page express their own dreams and wishes. It's not camp and it's not nostalgia, it's not wall-to-wall special effects and it's not pickled in angst. It's simply and poignantly a realization that being Spider-Man is a burden that Peter Parker is not entirely willing to bear.

The movie demonstrates what's wrong with a lot of other superhero epics: They focus on the superpowers, and short-change the humans behind them. (Has anyone ever been more boring, for instance, than Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne?)

"Spider-Man 2" is the best superhero movie since the modern genre was launched with "Superman" (1978). It succeeds by being true to the insight that allowed Marvel Comics to upturn decades of comic-book tradition: Readers could identify more completely with heroes like themselves than with remote godlike paragons. Peter Parker was an insecure high school student, in grade trouble, inarticulate in love, unready to assume the responsibilities that came with his unexpected superpowers. It wasn't that Spider-Man could swing from skyscrapers that won over his readers; it was that he fretted about personal problems in the thought balloons above his Spidey face mask.

Parker (Tobey Maguire) is in college now, studying physics at Columbia, more helplessly in love than ever with Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst). He's on the edge of a breakdown: He's lost his job as a pizza deliveryman, Aunt May faces foreclosure on her mortgage, he's missing classes, the colors run together when he washes his Spider-Man suit at the Laundromat, and after his web-spinning ability inexplicably seems to fade, he throws away his beloved uniform in despair. When a bum tries to sell the discarded Spidey suit to Jonah Jameson, editor of the Daily Bugle, Jameson offers him $50. The bum says he could do better on eBay. Has it come to this?

I was disappointed by the original "Spider-Man" (2002), and surprised to find this film working from the first frame. Sam Raimi, the director of both pictures, this time seems to know exactly what he should do, and never steps wrong in a film that effortlessly combines special effects and a human story, keeping its parallel plots alive and moving. One of the keys to the movie's success must be the contribution of novelist Michael Chabon to the screenplay; Chabon understands in his bones what comic books are, and why. His inspired 2000 novel The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay chronicles the birth of a 1940s comic book superhero and the young men who created him; he worked on the screen story that fed into Alvin Sargent's screenplay.

The seasons in a superhero's life are charted by the villains he faces (it is the same with James Bond). "Spider-Man 2" gives Spider-Man an enemy with a good nature that is overcome by evil. Peter Parker admires the famous Dr. Otto Octavius (Alfred Molina), whose laboratory on the banks of the East River houses an experiment that will either prove that fusion can work as a cheap source of energy, or vaporize Manhattan. To handle the dangerous materials of his experiments, Octavius devises four powerful tentacles that are fused to his spine and have a cyber-intelligence of their own; a chip at the top of his spine prevents them from overriding his orders, but when the chip is destroyed, the gentle scientist is transformed into Doc Ock, a fearsome fusion of man and machine, who can climb skyscraper walls by driving his tentacles through concrete and bricks. We hear him coming, hammering his way toward us like the drums of hell.

Peter Parker, meanwhile, has vowed that he cannot allow himself to love Mary Jane, because her life would be in danger from Spider-Man's enemies. She has finally given up on Peter, who is always standing her up; she announces her engagement to no less than an astronaut. Peter has heart-to-hearts with her and with Aunt May (Rosemary Harris), who is given full screen time and not reduced to an obligatory cameo. And he has to deal with his friend Harry Osborn (James Franco), who likes Peter but hates Spider-Man, blaming him for the death of his father (a k a the Green Goblin, although much is unknown to the son).

There are special effects, and then there are special effects. In the first movie I thought Spider-Man seemed to move with all the realism of a character in a cartoon. This time, as he swings from one skyscraper to another, he has more weight and dimension, and Raimi is able to seamlessly match the CGI and the human actors. The special-effects triumph in the film is the work on Doc Ock's four robotic tentacles, which move with an uncanny life, reacting and responding, doing double takes, becoming characters on their own.

Watching Raimi and his writers cut between the story threads, I savored classical workmanship: The film gives full weight to all of its elements, keeps them alive, is constructed with such skill that we care all the way through. In a lesser movie from this genre, we usually perk up for the action scenes but wade grimly through the dialogue. Here both stay alive, and the dialogue is more about emotion, love and values, less about long-winded explanations of the inexplicable (it's kind of neat that Spider-Man never does find out why his web-throwing ability sometimes fails him).

Tobey Maguire almost didn't sign for the sequel, complaining of back pain; Jake Gyllenhaal, another gifted actor, was reportedly in the wings. But if Maguire hadn't returned (along with Spidey's throwaway line about his aching back), we would never have known how good he could be in this role.

Dunst is valuable, too, bringing depth and heart to a girlfriend role that in lesser movies would be conventional. When she kisses her astronaut boyfriend upside-down, it's one of those perfect moments that rewards fans of the whole saga; we don't need to be told she's remembering her only kiss from Spider-Man.

There are moviegoers who make a point of missing superhero movies, and I can't blame them, although I confess to a weakness for the genre. I liked both of the "Crow" movies, and "Daredevil," "The Hulk" and "X2," but not enough to recommend them to friends who don't like or understand comic books. "Spider-Man 2" is in another category: It's a real movie, full-blooded and smart, with qualities even for those who have no idea who Stan Lee is. It's a superhero movie for people who don't go to superhero movies, and for those who do, it's the one they've been yearning for.

:D I am so there tomorrow with my free ticket..

[Backstabba]

I heard Theyre thinking of making 7 spiderman movies....Would that be good or bad? I think good. But tobey maguire would probably be 40 by then.

[Lynn Minmei]

Whoa, Ebert gave it 4 stars? This is the guy that gave Spider-Man only 2 stars.

I am officially shocked and excited.

[Cyclonus]

Actually he gave the original (**1/2). But I'm shocked that the second one gets such a high rating. That was enough to solidfy my decision to see it first-run.

[daddiefatsacks]

man, i just got back from the movie, and i have a feeling that i am going to be the only one who dislikes this movie, and when i say dislike, im being kind.

let me first off state with the PROS

WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD








Pros

- Alfred Molina as Doc Ock - very nice pick here, a credible actor much like Defoe who steals the show as the villain, I wanted to see Ock on screen when i was getting bored with spidey.

- SOME action bits, not all....the scene where Doc Ock goes apeshit on the doctors is definitely the highlight action scene, but mostly everything else is too CGI

- JK Simmons as JJJ.....once again stealing all the scenes he is in...hes even more hyped up in this than in the first (You're fired....You're unfired)

- Cameo from Willem Dafoe...NICE!

Cons

well, where do I begin?

- Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man....I think if this series is going to go any longer, they need to find someone who isnt boring to listen to, everytime i had to hear this man talk for more than 10 seconds, my head would start to cave in...your a boring person to listen to...i would definitely would have rather had Jake Gyllenhaal.

- corny lines galore....and all i have to say to this one is the line that made me spit out my root beer

Peter: "Want to get some chow mein?"
Mary Jane: "I'm getting married!"

WOWOOWOWOW

- Unecessary humour, like the overly long bit in the elevator...that would have worked if they just showed a quick scene, but nope, they drag it out. Same with the scene where he 'loses' his powers and hits his head on a car, then gets up and we watch him walk away for 10 seconds...only to get a 'funny bit' in where a car alarm goes off cause he touched it. UNECESSARY!!

- Mary Jane is a hoe. Put on a bra, choose a guy for chrissakes...GO GET HIM TIGER?? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?

- The Train seqeuence.....oh man, "don't worry, we wont tell anyone" and then they all stand in front of him when dock ock tries to get to him, so lame

- Revealing spider man too soon....ok so now pretty much everyone important knows who he is, a bit too soon???? especially if they are going to make 7 movies

You know what, I could go on and on about how cheesy and corny this film was....but damn man, im just so disappointed with how it turned out. I will see another one if they make out, but I just hope they get a new spidey

4/10

[ilovemovies]

Wow! For once I think Ebert actually overpraised a movie rather than underrate! That RARELY happens to me!

Anyway I thought it was very good but it falls short on being great. I was actually more moved emotionally with the first one than I was with this one. But this one does have better action sequences and the CGI is much more seemless.

Daredevil still remains my all time favorite comic book movie though.

[Unicron]

Huge improvement in the CGI. Dr Oct was a great Villian. Alot more emotion when into this one.
Enjoyed it. But wasnt blown away as i thought i would be. Shrek 2 still my favorite of the year.
A second viewing is a must

8/10

[rushmore beauty]

Oh my FUCKING GOODNESS!!! I can't believe that some people weren't just all-out fucking amazed with this movie! I would go as far as to say it was the best comic book/superhero movie I have ever seen...seriously, everything about it, I loved, ESPECIALLY Pete and MJ's relationship. I cannot wait to see this again....and that scene on the train where he ducks...in-fucking-sane.

9/10...and I didn't even like the first one...

[Shockwave]

- Cameo from Willem Dafoe...NICE!

:cool: :cool:

[dellamorte dellamore]

Hey Daddie , did you think the CGI was as flawless / seemless as everyone is saying , from what i've seen so far it stands out big time in certain scenes , namely in that clocktower sequence , horrible blue screen work .

[Kidsilk]

I saw it last night and I loved it. It's the perfect super-hero movie.

[Basco]

Wow. The reviews for this are amazing. I've never seen a recent film get more consistly good reviews. Cranky Critic gave it 10. His rating system doesn't even go to 10. He broke his own rules for this movie....I'm seeing the matinee this morning. so pumped.

[Kastman]

Every part of this movie that wasn't an action sequence sucked balls

[Sigur509]

Originally posted by rushmore beauty
Oh my FUCKING GOODNESS!!! I can't believe that some people weren't just all-out fucking amazed with this movie! I would go as far as to say it was the best comic book/superhero movie I have ever seen...seriously, everything about it, I loved, ESPECIALLY Pete and MJ's relationship. I cannot wait to see this again....and that scene on the train where he ducks...in-fucking-sane.

9/10...and I didn't even like the first one...

My thoughts on everything. Better than the first, which I loved. Ill have to see it again, mabey they best superhero adpatation ive ever seen. The opening credits were bad-ass.

9/10

[moviegroupie]

Hopefully, I'm seeing Spiderman 2 (and White Chicks) today. It looks great, except for I don't really like the new villian, the Medusa knockoff.

[LoomisFan]

Originally posted by moviegroupie
It looks great, except for I don't really like the new villian, the Medusa knockoff.
Are you saying that Doc Ock is knockoff on Medusa?! WTF??!!

Oh, and this is funny...
I liked both of the "Crow" movies
Ebert...
There were three Crow films (with a fourth on the way).

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
Hey Daddie , did you think the CGI was as flawless / seemless as everyone is saying , from what i've seen so far it stands out big time in certain scenes , namely in that clocktower sequence , horrible blue screen work .

Having seen the movie, I can answer this. The CGI is definitely not flawless. Yes, it's better than the first film's, but it's nowhere near perfect. The clocktower sequence was actually one of the better effect scenes for me. But the end of the train sequence stuck out like a sore thumb. It's very obvious in certain shots that it's a CG spider-man on the train. The other scene with shoddy CGI was the finale. VERY obvious CGI building and CGI water... And watch out for those horrible CG helicopters near the very end. Yeesh.

I was disappointed by this movie. I gave the original an A but this one gets a generous B from me. It's still good, just not great like the first. There is WAY too much talking. Character development is good and all, but I wanted MORE ACTION! C'mon! There's only 2 action scenes that stand out for me in this movie, that ain't enough! And they are not as memorable as the original's action scenes. The fight on the train just can't match the scene on the bridge from the first one in my eyes....

I did like the ending (all 16 of them) though...

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Originally posted by Horror whore
I did like the ending (all 16 of them) though...

hahaha word bitch. This movie had wayyyyy to many endings, the midnight audience was getting restless during the last 15 minutes. As for me, I was more into it that many around me and i loved the "Go get em Tiger" line because i remember from the cartoon (and in the comic too?) MJ always called Peter Tiger. It was a nice touch. I also dug Sam Raimi's direction, it kept the movie interesting in many of the more talking scenes. All in all I'm gunna give this movie a 7 or an 8, probably and 8, I just gotta see it again before i write a formal review/rating.

[daddiefatsacks]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
Hey Daddie , did you think the CGI was as flawless / seemless as everyone is saying , from what i've seen so far it stands out big time in certain scenes , namely in that clocktower sequence , horrible blue screen work .

I wasn't overly impressed, there's nothing we havent seen before.....and a lot of the fights were CGI....kind of like the Matrix ...you can tell so easy that its CGI....

Like i said im a minority here, everyone loves it.

[beastieben21]

Did anyone else think the scene in the hospital was perhaps the coolest thing they've seen all year? That part had me by my balls and refused to let go, great job Raimi. And all natural noises too, awesome.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by beastieben21
Did anyone else think the scene in the hospital was perhaps the coolest thing they've seen all year? That part had me by my balls and refused to let go, great job Raimi. And all natural noises too, awesome.

That was one of the movie's best scenes. Excellent direction by Raimi...

My friend had to cover her ears when the nurse clawed the floor with her fingernails.

[NuclearMisfit]

Originally posted by beastieben21
Did anyone else think the scene in the hospital was perhaps the coolest thing they've seen all year? That part had me by my balls and refused to let go, great job Raimi. And all natural noises too, awesome.

The way the camera angles were going and the way it was filmed, it seemed very Evil Deadesque to me and I really liked it.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by Horror whore

My friend had to cover her ears when the nurse clawed the floor with her fingernails.


I did too. :o

[chinton]

Im seeing it tonight and I can only hope it is as good the only movie so far this summer I can call great HP3. Thats great that it has so much character developement especially between MJ and Peter. That was the bes t part of the original.

[Sigur509]

Yes, that part reminded me a lot of Evil Dead.

[Duke Nukem]

Originally posted by LoomisFan
Are you saying that Doc Ock is knockoff on Medusa?! WTF??!!

Oh, and this is funny...

Ebert...
There were three Crow films (with a fourth on the way).

The third film, "The Crow: Salvation" went straight to video, so he and major critics naturally didn't get there theatrical chance to review it.

[anakinsrise]

My review of Spider-Man 2


IN SHORT:Spidey 2 climbs high despite weaknesses in its tangled web!


THE GOOD:I loved the first Spider-Man film(9/10),so of course i was hyped to see the sequel.Spidey 2's special effects seem almost flawless this time around,there is a wonderful opening credits sequence.The story is as its best when it focuses on Peter Parkers (Tobey Maguire) angst over his still guilty feelings over his Uncle Ben's death,star crossed love for Mary Jane Watson,and paying the rent on time.Rosemary Harris as May Parker is great as Peter's inspiration.Its also fun to watch his best friend Harry Osborns (James Franco)continuing and growing hate for Spidey,and his growing mistrust of Parker.Oh and of course there is a new villain to deal withAlfred Molina) Doc Ock/Dr. Otto Octavius.Molina does a wonderful job here,far better than The Green Goblin of the first film,because this time around we get to see the face of the villain,Dafoe's face was covered with a silly Power Ranger like villain mask,but with Doc Oc we see the transition in his eyes from mild mannered scientist to evil genius.The action sequences are intense,and my heart raced as Spidey soars above New York.I also loved the nods to other Marvel characters,also there is a nice surprise and terrific cliffhanger to the inevitable Spider-Man 3.

THE BAD:Its time for Spider-Man/Peter Parker to interact with other characters like (Bill Nunn) as Joseph 'Robbie' Robertson and Elizabeth Banks as Betty Brant,instead of just one line with them here or there.More could have been done with his neighbors.There are some cheesy scenes i could have done without.And i like humor with my action but in Spidey 2 it overstays its welcome.I loved when Spider-Man would taunt a villain with a put down or one liner while engaging him/her in battle,but sadly the humor mainly comes from Peter Parkers,Cark Kent like clumsiness,
after the fifth or sixth time i began to look down and roll my eyes!


IN THE END :See it for the thrills,laughs and action,and especially if youre a big Spider-Man fan Scale of 1-10 8 1/2

[MisterTwister]

8/10
Beats the first film in many ways. Great flick

[dellamorte dellamore]

16 diff endings , is Raimi trying to " homage " LOTR ?


I'm glad i'm not seeing things , because for a 200 mil dollar film , what the hell happened to the cgi . The Matrix was a computer simulation of the real world , so that was supposed to look fake , S Man , well , time to get new animators .

[m ali]

Just saw movie. This movie freaking rocked. By far the best movie this year and the greatest comic book movie ever. A 10/10 all the way.

[Tweek]

I loved the movie. Mary Jane was still annoying, though less so than in the first one. If Venom is in the next movie, I hope he eats her brain. More depth to her, my ass.




=SPOILERS=






J.K. Simmons was hilarious. I can?t get over how he brought Jameson to life. Aunt May was great too. She knocked Doc Ock over the head, lol.

The action was phenomenal! Molina did great as Doc Ock. The acting except for Kirsten was great. Every time she was on screen I wanted to vomit, especially her horrifying scene in the rain.


i hope there's more dylan baker in the future films... as lizard or not, but hopefully as lizard



Hmmm... my favorite line would have to be "What about Dr. Strange?!" as a suggestion for a name.

[T-1000]

I just got back from the film, and all I have to is WOW! Kudos to Sam Raimi and everyone else involved for making this the best comic book film of all time (Yes, it has even beat out Superman in my book).

Not only is Spider-Man 2 a great piece of summer entertainment, but it is also a phenomonal piece of filmmaking in its own right. This felt much more like a direct continuation of the first film rather than a sequel. Calling Spider-Man 2 a sequel would be too much of an insult.

What I experienced tonight was pure fanboy joy, and there is no doubt in my mind that I will see this film again. Spider-Man 2 has taken things up a notch, and every other comic book adaptation that Hollywood produces from this day forward, including Batman Begins, has its work cut out for it.

Oh man, it's going to be a long wait until May 2007.

Spider-Man - 9/10
Spider-Man 2 - 10/10

[dellamorte dellamore]

The fanboy cool aid residue has solidified , doubt i'll get an actual objective comment on this for at least two weeks , but that goes for almost any hyped up film , more so with this one , because the general conscencus is that it's beyond reproach , or close to it .

Next thing you know , Molina will be considered a sex object of sorts .

By the way , Batman Begins won't use CGI for all the action scenes ( at least they prob won't overload on it ) , not like this video game creation . Batman still rules , even in light of theses two Spidey offerings , hell they keep on ripping it's narrative anyway .

[Thrizzle]

6/10

The action was phenominal, incredible, best ever for a comic book movie by far. That being said, everything else in this movie was pretty mediocre to laughable. When people weren't fighting it felt like an episode of Oprah or a therapy session. Every charcter has to geta close up, and cry, and express their feelings, and look goofy while doing it.

Kirstin Dunst......absolutly horrible. Every minute she was on screen i felt like banging my head against a brick wall. Magiore was just decent.

[Tweek]

Kirstin Dunst......absolutly horrible. Every minute she was on screen i felt like banging my head against a brick wall.
im starting to think no one agreed with me.

-ala achilles- "IS THERE NO ONE ELSE?!"

[FerrellFan911]

Originally posted by Tweek
im starting to think no one agreed with me.

-ala achilles- "IS THERE NO ONE ELSE?!"

I thought she was fine. I thought the whole cast worked as a great acting ensemble so it's hard to point out a distinct, great performance.

Actually, I can: Doc Ock (Alfred Molina)

[moviegroupie]

It feels like just a month ago the original Spidey came out. Let's get right into it. Peter Parker is breaking down: he's slacking in college, things are messed up with MJ and Harry, he can't shoot webs anymore, and he messed up all of his regular clothes while taking the suit to the cleaners; this is not his finest hour. To top it, a new villian is on the loose. In fact it's his subject for the paper that is the deciding factor whether he can stay at the university or not. Doc Oc is like a mechanical spider, and when his experiments go bad, Harry Osborn's fame and success are on the line. There's greater plot, greater CGI moments, and greater character development than the first. Not too mention a love story is actually taking off. Oh and there's no dreadful wrestling scene (the main flaw with the first). Almost everything in the sequel is super sized, and almost everything can be gobbled up. The only flaw is that they should've worked on some lines like: Punch me, I bleed. In the context it was used, it made no sense. I would say work on the comebacks too, like when Spiderman tries to hit Doc Oc with a bag of coins he says "here's your change" but that's what makes these two movies so much fun. Oh and the traditional spidey song isn't sung by the naked cowboy in the subway, it's a chinese woman plucking the violen. I'll cut to the chase, you guys don't have to read the rest of the text, here's the main picture: Spiderman is the only great comic book film there is. The same stays true for this one and pushes the standards even higher. Catch a matinee, catch it at full admission, rent it, and buy it! Support this movie to hell, I want to see some records break.

-> A Popcorn Licker



a great movie indeed. this was copy+pasted off my site: www.cinematichell.blogspot.com

If I had to stretch beyond my rating system, i'd give it 9/10

not to spam or anything, but i need people that see plenty of movies and write well. if this is the case, please PM me.

[MadsenOMC]

SPOILERS!

I know I am in the minority, and that is fine. I didn't like the first one, and I think it's possible that this one is even worse. Theere are two things I liked about it: one, the action scenes. They are pretty fucking amazing. The train scene is particularly impressive. The wow factor is there. Two, the humor. I laughed a lot. There are some good lines, and I was laughing my ass off while Spidey's was in the elevator with Hal Sparks.

Unfortunately, that is about all I liked. Half of it felt like a daytime soap opera. Characters talk to themselves, giving five minute speeches explaining things for the audience. This is just plain stupid. The other half felt like a pseudo-inspirational made-for-Lifetime movie, with the uplifting speeches about young people needing a hero. Gag me. Could definitely have done without all that. There are plenty of unintentional laughs, too, such as Peter watching the kid get mugged and beaten in the alley, or Mary Jane running through the park, in slow motion, in her wedding gown. Hilarious. I could hardly stop laughing.

I also thought the acting was weak. Maguire is fine, but Franco is a much better actor. Sadly, he isn't given much to do here. Alfred Molina is an excellent actor, and I found Doc Ock to be an improvement over the dreadfully awful Green Goblin, but not by much. Still just a routine villain, spouting off the token villain lines and doing the token villain shit. Nothing special at all. J.K. Simmons got on my nerves. He is funny in small doses. One or two scenes is all he needs. Way too much of him here. Got very tired of him. Last and definitely least, the horrible Kirsten Dunst. Holy shit she is a bad actress. I never really realized it before. But she is god-awful. The way she constantly tilts her head to the side. The way she softly, slowly mumbles her lines. She is absolutely terrible here. I winced every time she was onscreen. I also didn't think she looked all that great, but maybe that's just me.

And talk about being too long. 15-20 minutes could have and should have been cut. It drags in many places. There are about as many false endings as there were in Return of the King. It just kept going and going. Seeing how much I hated the Green Goblin in the last one, I was sorry to see Norman again, as well as the mask and the flying machine. Didn't end on a strong note for me.

So, ultimately, I didn't find much to like. I wish I was as crazy about it as everyone else appears to be. But I'll take the Blade series or the X-Men series over this series any day of the week.

4/10

[dellamorte dellamore]

From your description , this film sounds like an episode of saved by the bell : the college years meets felicity , with a bit of Batman thrown in for good measure .

[dellamorte dellamore]

Madsen , the real hero of this tale :) . But what about the CGI , i still don't see anything groundbreaking or amazing about it .

[MadsenOMC]

As well done as the action is, I didn't think there was anything special about the CGI or effects. You can easily spot the matte paintings, because they look exactly like matte paintings. Same with the CGI. It's easy to spot. When he's flying and they're trying to integrate him into the city skyline, it looks painfully fake, especially with those helicopters. That was terrible. Yeah, I really wasn't all that impressed with the CGI. It's OK.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Damn , i have to admit that the spidey pina colada has got me anyway , here take my ten bucks , i can't resist .

[moviegroupie]

i briefly cover CGI, read my review! lol

[The Engraved]

10/10 :D

I loved this movie. Raimi rules! I think this movie was far more superior to the original. It has better action, better comedy, a better storyline. I could not ask for anything else. Raimi did a brilliant job with portraying the struggles of Peter Parker and he captured all his worries and troubles wonderfully. J.K. Simmons also ruled. The man had the funniest lines. Molina as Doc Ock was a stroke of genious. Doc Ock has always been one of my favorite characters and I think Raimi captured him perfectly. IMO Maguire acted better in this one than in the first. The action sequences were all superior to the first. I was blown away by that train sequence.

Overall, a truly outstanding movie. And the last two scenes, absolutely perfect, though my brother and sister believe they should have been reversed for added effect.

Brother's rating 6/10 - Liked the first one better. Believes the first one had more of an emotional punch than this one. He also believes the Green Goblin was a far more superior villian than Doc Ock.

Sister's rating 8/10 - Thought it was very good, but was annoyed with all the close-ups and did not think it was all that funny.

[daddiefatsacks]

oh my goodness!! those helicopters, how the hell could i forget about those!

Thank you Madsen, we pretty much see eye to eye on the movie....so far were the only two to dislike it.

[The Heart Collector]

This is what a comic book movie should be, not the plotless and idiotic X-Men 2. This is also what a summer movie should be. I liked the first one, but it was more promising than anything. This fulfills the promises, and oh boy does it. My favorite thing had to be the directing, which Raimi really excelled at. Lots of great tricks and shots (I particularly loved all the zooms in the MJ/Peter cafeteria scene, the one in the preview). The opening credits were also some of the best I've ever seen. Great villain (and I really thought it was going to be a lame job from Molina, but it was perfect), and some of the most entertaining action scenes I've seen in a long time. 8/10

[Tweek]

doc ock reminded me of gollum in the scene where he decides to rebuild.


heh

[cdmiller]

I saw SM2 last night,I was very excited about it and maybe fell victim to all the hype a little.I thought over all it was a great movie,just not what I expected.
The two major problems that I had was 1)Way to much drama,didn't they learn anything from the hulk movie? 2)Too many secrets are given away in this one.It's too soon in the SM story to have these things known,and really too soon if they plan on making a few more.
Other than those two small things I thought it was great.I'll have to go back just to make sure. 9/10

[Darth Dzikowski]

I saw this one last night and must say that it was a very good adaptation from comic to screen. I'd say 80% of the movie is dialogue and set up for the next installment, and if you are a fan of everyones favorite neighborhood spiderman you won't mind at all. If you're expecting balls to the walls action, or as I have redundantly read in these posts, are worried about blue screen and CGI, you will be disappointed. There are really only three action set pieces and all deliver, none more than the El train sequence. The opening credits are phenominal, as the art work of Alex Ross tells us where we've been and where we are going.
Tobey is once again so believable as a fallible hero, that one is immediately sucked into to his vaccum of ineptediness. Peter is the anti Spidey and that's what is the most compelling. Constantly beibg beaten down as Peter, but handing down beat downs as his alter ego, it's the stuff of comic books and it is portrayed brilliantly by my main man Sam. While neither Spideys will ever top Evil Dead II on my Raimi list, this one is falls just short.

Great movie, but still Bill, Eternal Sunshine & Harry Potter were all better.

[Patrick Bateman]

Saw the sneak preview wednesday morning, and have to say that I was impressed with Raimi's Spider-Man 2.
The film is not without it's flaws though, but I still enjoyed the film, and thought it was a very excellent adaptation of a comic book brought to the silver screen.

Have to say that I totally marked out for the "operating room" scene with Doc Ock. As Raimi definately appears to be paying homage to the Evil Dead series. Alfred Molina did a great job as Doc Ock in my opinion, but I do agree with other Schmoes that he spatted out way too many one liners. Such as was the case with Dafoe's Green Goblin. Overall, I thought Molina turned out a great performance as Doc Ock, and thankfully did not embarrass the character of Doctor Octopus. Something that cannot be said about Tommy Lee Jones' potrayal of Two Face!!

Also, I totally agree with Daddie 100%, about his opinion of Dunst's Mary Jane. I truthfully do not remember Mary Jane from the Marvel comic's being so VILE!
I had to spit out my sprite when she said, and I quote:

"We cant get off, if you dont get on!"

Bad part is that I really LOVE Mary Jane, from the comic's. But cannot stand her for one minute in the films. I know she was originally presented as a 'Bad Girl', in the comic books, But damn girl! Pick a guy already!
Black Cat where are you?

Overall, I enjoyed the film. As it was certainly a step up from the original Spider-man. But again, felt that the film is certainly NOT flawless. Too many drawn out scenes, cheesy one liners, and Kirsten Dust, make this film a film that sadly didnt reach its full potential.

PROS:

Opening Credits (Nice Job!)

Operating Room Scene with Doc Ock (Really Nice! :cool:)

All fight scenes with Spidey/Doc Ock (What can I say? They rocked!)

James Franco's Harry Osborne (Really enjoyed seeing how much Harry has grown to hate Spider-Man. I'm sure Stan Lee is proud!)

And a nice cameo at the end from a certain someone! ;)

CONS

Kirsten Dunst's Mary Jane (I almost expected her to ask Peter if he wanted to help her shop for a wedding dress)

J.K. Simmons' J. Jonah. Jameson (good, but annoying in large doses. The less we see him, the better. Way too over the top!)

The Humor (I also agree with anakinsrise, in that I loved how Spidey spat out sarcastic remarks during fight scenes. But apparently the humor in Spider-Man 2, comes in the form of Peter Parker doing his best Clark Kent. Thought the elevator scene was WAY too drawn out.)

People on the train (Are we supposed to take them seriously?)

CGI/Blue Screen (Not too bad, but nothing mindblowing)

8/10

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
oh my goodness!! those helicopters, how the hell could i forget about those!

Thank you Madsen, we pretty much see eye to eye on the movie....so far were the only two to dislike it.

And hopefully the only two..Spider-man 2 is that rare sequel that comes along and outdoes the first one in many ways. The CGI is a bit better, the villian looks cool and is cool and the action is top notch. It's a amazing flick.

[Tayzlor]

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
Operating Room Scene with Doc Ock (Really Nice! :cool:)


I really enjoyed that scene, especially how there was no music to accompany it. It kind of takes away your sympathy for Doc Oct.

They really should have concentrated more on the villain. The whole movie was dealing with Peter Parker and his dilemma and Doc Oct. and his experiment just seem tacked on so the summer audience can enjoy the movie on some level.

I really do not know what the point was of having the scenes with Otto and his wife. Unless that was buiding up to something for future Spidey movies, it served no purpose. If they were trying to make us understand and feel sorry for Doc, they failed pretty miserably because after his experiment gone awry he became your typical superhero villain.

BTW, I gave this a 7/10.

[Nice Marmot]

Saw it last night. GREAT ACTION! You haven't seen a superhero vs super villain fight done right on film til you see this movie!

HOWEVER, there wasn't enough balance between action & long, drawn out conversations. I felt like I heard Peter & MJ have the same conversation 3 times.

[cstroman]

I felt like I heard Peter & MJ have the same conversation 3 times.

Michael Jackson's in this movie? Dammit, I'm not going to see it then.;)

[daddiefatsacks]

so it made 40.5 million yesterday...

thats nuts

[ANavissi500]

My friend and I found ourselves sitting in a packed theater, which is always the best kind for a movie like this. The movie really lived up to all of my expectations that I had for it. It took itself more seriously than it did in the first film, but it still had its cheezy cornball feel to it. This movie had a couple really incredible scenes...

1) The operating room (very terrifying, esp. since nothing was shown)

2) The train catch (esp. when they pass him over their heads and rest him on the floor - it looked very nice)

The acting was stronger, the torment Peter felt was nice and angsty. Alfred Molina played a great bad guy and I thought that his wife was a fantastic actress and I kind of wish that there would have been more screentime for her.

I had a couple problems with the film - the big one is that everyone knows basically he is Spider-Man - the third film needs to do some good writing to keep it interesting

Also, the neighbor across the hall was pretty useless. She brought cake and that was it.

Finally, I know CGI is still being perfected and all but it seemed like the CGI was better the first time around. Those helicopters were pathetic. I didn't pay 4 bucks to see Sim Copter on the big screen.

As for the very openness of the next film - I wonder who the bad guy will be. Will it be...

Venom - MJ's jilted astronaut fiancee who turns evil in a space accident?

Hobgoblin - James Franco finishing what daddy started

Lizard - the professor guy who mutates after an arm regrowth accident

I'm not which scenario would be the best to play out. I think I would like to see a teaming of Hobgoblin with someone but I dunno.

[Tweek]

Venom - MJ's jilted astronaut fiancee who turns evil in a space accident?


Oh God no...
The Eddie Brock storyline is a lot better.

Because if they go with john jameson as venom, his reason for hating peter/spider-man will be that he took mary jane from him. And that would be shitty. She's horrid and not even that pretty.


but in the cartoon doesnt he bring the symbiote back with him from space? It could escape.
Spidey bringing it back from battleworld would be really farfetched even for these movies.



In a related tidbit, has anyone read the wizard magazine special edition with a preview of "Ultimate Carnage"?

[Tweek]

Oh and I would LOVE to see Mysterio!

They could turn the movie into a headtrip.

[Wildbilld]

Classic 4 Star Rating:
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Letter Grade:
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1-10 Scale Rating:
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[Nightmare_Dreaming]

I haven't seen this yet, but I'm sure I'll love it. How many Spider-Man movies are there set to be? I hear there will be six. After Sam leaves I hope they find someone who can fill his shoes. The villians in 3 should be The Lizard and Kraven the Hunter. Save Carnage, Venom, and Hobgoblin for the remaining three. And in part 6 go with the Sinister Six storyline.:) What do you guys think?

[FerrellFan911]

Am I the only one who liked the CGI helicopter touch during the last scene with Spidey web-slinging around.?

[go2]

i saw the movie the opening day and i really loved it.i thought it was a real character driven movie.it had real dialouge and real energy.and i dont care what anyone sais but i think this is the best movie of all time and so does my friend.10/10

[Duke Nukem]

I don't understand why everyone, schmoes and critics, are praising this movie so much.

I loved the first movie. I saw it three times in 2002. The action was good. I felt that there was enough good character development (the film did take its time before setting up action). And, although The Green Goblin wasn't quite the same from the show, he was still decent. It seems to be really underrated around here. I don't understand why some schmoes dislike it so much (the cgi was not that bad!)

But, now to this sequel. Just about everything Sam Raimi established in the first film...was overblown. There was too many talky scenes between characters. For long periods of the movie, the movie just sat there lifeless. I didn't think this was possible, but Sam Raimi inserted too much character delelopment. I don't know why everyone is overlooking this. I was with a packed theater last night, and I sense people were getting bored. Not a good sign.

The action was absolutely fantastic. The first action scene. Doc Ock's surgery scene. Spiderman's couple of fight scenes with Doc Ock. The train scene. Absolutely amazing. But, scenes like that were drawn out from eachother.

The characters. I don't why people are bashing MJ (no, not Michael Jackson!) so much. She was fine. Kirsten Dunst was fine. If she looked bad, it's only because the writer gave her (as well as most of the cast) too much shit to talk about in the drawn out talky scenes. Tobey Maguire was perfect as Peter Parker and his alter ego, he portrayed him fine. Alfred Molina was great as Doctor Octopus, my favorite Spidey villain.

Obviously, the subplot that sets up much of the film's flaws is that Peter Parker quits being Spiderman for a little while. Since the last film, his decision to be Spiderman has left him away from friends, cost him jobs, and bad grades in college. And, to add to that, his Spider senses and everything are losing focus and their edge.

So, he goes back to being Peter Parker, college student, all day. This leaves a lot of action less and life less moments. And by doing this, Doc Ock is ignored as he goes to wreak havoc on the city, increase the crime rate (up 75 percent!), and gets the proper equipment to re-try his "miscalculated" experiment. So, as Doc Ock goes about his off-screen criminal ways, the audience is left to far too many talky scenes between the characters. Sammy truly went too far in this department.

With all this in mind, I don't know why this film is getting so many rave reviews and ratings from critics and schmoes. ****?! 10/10?!? The first "Spiderman" as well as the two "X-Men" films are more deserving of those ratings, not "Spiderman 2." What a disappointment and soon to be a very overrated movie by much of the population.

[Shockwave]

I fucking Loved it and MUCH prefered it over the original Spider-man!

The ending was a great pay-off, in both the wedding scene and Harrys last bit. Go Goblin!

8/10 for Spider-man 2!

Great, groovy stuff, but X-Men 2 still reigns king as far as comic book movies go.

What a disappointment and soon to be a very overrated movie by much of the population.

I really dont think so Duke, so far praise has been vast and far for this one and i really do think it deserved it. SM2 had alot more balls then the first one and was directed with much more zest in my opinion.

[Tweek]

If she looked bad, it's only because the writer gave her (as well as most of the cast) too much shit to talk about in the drawn out talky scenes

She's awful in every movie i've seen her in. Her performances have little to do with the writers.

Honestly... She turns every character into a ditzy stupid git.

[Thrizzle]

Originally posted by Tweek
She's awful in every movie i've seen her in. Her performances have little to do with the writers.

Honestly... She turns every character into a ditzy stupid git.

Yup.

I really wish they had cast someone really hot to play Mary Jane, Dunst is just slightly above-average.

[Lynn7]

I only have a minute to post but I loved this movie- I loved Peter Parker- he was so vulnerable and funny (inadvertently). The "Raindrops" scene was great!

I really love that the movie makes science run amok the villain. The uncertainty and the danger of the scientific unknown is powerful!


Loved the elevator scene- really cute.
Loved the scene where inside the train (after the danger is gone for a few minutes)
Loved the power of the movie.

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally posted by Tweek
Oh and I would LOVE to see Mysterio!

They could turn the movie into a headtrip.

Oh yeah, I would definately LOVE to see Mysterio in one of the future Spidey films. I think he would be a great addition to any of the sequels. I've been playing the PS2 Spider-Man 2 game, and absolutely love the game's version of Mysterio, as well as his storyline.
I could surely see Mysterio in a future Spidey sequel, and the only person I can think of offhand that might do Quentin Beck justice onscreen, is Johnny Depp.

I can see Venom in Spider-Man 3 or 4, without it becoming a two part saga. A few minor twists here and there, and here comes Venom!
Hey, Raimi made it work for Doc Ock, he can certainly make it work for Venom.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Guess the Res Evil trailer wasn't in front of SM 2 , was it ? I was predicting it would be , what a letdown that it wasn't .

[Anthony4sho]

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
Oh yeah, I would definately LOVE to see Mysterio in one of the future Spidey films. I think he would be a great addition to any of the sequels. I've been playing the PS2 Spider-Man 2 game, and absolutely love the game's version of Mysterio, as well as his storyline.
I could surely see Mysterio in a future Spidey sequel, and the only person I can think of offhand that might do Quentin Beck justice onscreen, is Johnny Depp.

I can see Venom in Spider-Man 3 or 4, without it becoming a two part saga. A few minor twists here and there, and here comes Venom!
Hey, Raimi made it work for Doc Ock, he can certainly make it work for Venom.

OMG, do you know what would happen if they got Johnny Depp in a Spider-Man film? That guy would RULE as any villian they could get. But I definitly want Venom in the 3rd one.

Anyways I just saw this movie and it was fantastic. It was a perfect mix of everything - romance, drama, action, even a lil Sci-Fi. The acting was great and Alfred Molina and Franco really showed up. The train scence was kick ass. Spidey was in the zone during that whole sequence. It truly shows how Spider-Man's skills and his character as a whole have evolved and matured. I think the pacing was great too. There were a few needless scenes that I think had no purpose like the one where the girl offers him some cake, which I really don't know what purpose it served.

I wanted to see Maguire and Franco get into it a little more after Spidey was unmasked. But Spidey really get's F'ed up in this movie, as Spidey and as Parker. I found Jameson hilarious at all times and they gave him a little more depth this time around which I appreciated. All in all this is a 10/10. A great movie that everyone should see.

[Duke Nukem]

I have mixed thoughts for this movie. I thought I'd really like it, but it ended up surprising me, for better and for worse. But, I will see it again tonight to clear my head. Hopefully, I'll appreciate it more.

But the Dunst deal...come on, she's not that bad an actress. She's fine. You know what you schmoes should see? "The Cat's Meow." If you schmoes really want to see Kirstey act, see "The Cat's Meow." It is set in 1920's around filmmaker Randall Hearst, Marian Davies, Charley Chaplin, and other such actors at the time. Dunst play Marian Davies, Heart's mistress. She was very good in that. See that movie for Kirstey. Trust me, you'll love it.

[MadsenOMC]

I agree that Dunst is excellent in The Cat's Meow. And The Virgin Suicides. And crazy/beautiful. But I found her to be unspeakably horrible here. I hated her line delivery, the way she softly, slowly mumbled her words as if attempting to be coy and inquisitive. The way she tilted her head to the side in nearly every single scene she's in. Terrible performance.

[Anthony4sho]

I also don't understand why peeps are bashing Dunst. Shes not THAT bad.

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by Anthony4sho
There were a few needless scenes that I think had no purpose like the one where the girl offers him some cake, which I really don't know what purpose it served.


Yeah, that was a pretty strange and uncomfortable thing. I guess it showed that someone else had a crush on Peter Parker but the whole thing was kind of sad to me.

As far as Dunst goes, she is a good actress but seems kind of miscast. i don't think she is anything above ordinary looking (which is fine) but it seems kind of weird that in the first movie, as well as this one, the character is presented as supposedly being some kind of knockout. In some scenes without makeup she looks almost homely. I actually do like it when the heroines are ordinary but it's just weird when they say she's beautiful and the actress isn't. Doens't ring quite true.

[Duke Nukem]

Of all things, I did see a purpose in having Peter meet with Dr. Otto Octovaous (great name!) and his wife early on in the movie. The point is, you know, to get to know our villian and person he was. You can't say there was no purpose in showing that.

However, that scene with the neighbor's daughter was completely pointless. It's scenes like that create the special feature, "deleted scenes" on DVDs. There were a good handful of scenes that could have been edited out or done differently.

[Scarface98.9]

I just wanted to stop by and say that I really liked this movie more than I thought I would, especially since I wasn't the biggest fan of the first movie.

8.5/10

[badberry]

Just a quick post to say that I really enjoyed this flick. Easily a 9/10, and better than the first (8/10). The action was amazing and although the CGI was quite obvious at times, it didn't detract from the film (for me at least). And I loved the way they handled the Peter Parker\Spider-Man identity crisis. It really captured the spirit of the comic book.

I didn't really care for the whole "the arms made made do it" thing -- I mean c'mon, smart robotic tentacles? But it is a comic movie, so I'll let it slide. Doc Oc was still a cooler villian than Green Goblin. I also thought the neighboor girl was a pointless character.

SPOILERS

And I could've lived without MJ ditching the astronaut at the wedding -- why do chicks in Hollywood never make up their minds to leave a guy until that moment? Talk about a low blow. And that running in the dress scene was terrible.....

END SPOILERS

Minor gripes aside, kick-ass movie. Best I've seen of the year so far.

And Kirsten Dunst's ability to go from hot to homely at the drop of a hat is quite amazing...

[Duke Nukem]

I just saw the movie again...(SPOILERS)...and I loved it! I take back what I said before. You know how sometimes you go into a movie, and depending on your expectations, you come out with mixed feelings that leave you unable to rate the movie and make the movie out? I didn't expect "Spider-man 2" to do that, but hell, I'm glad I saw it again and cleared my head.

-Let's see, the starting set up of the movie - well done
-The first action scene - great
-Dr. Otto Octovaious > evil Dr. Octopus - amazing
-first Spidey vs. Doc Ock action sequence - absolutely amazing
-Middle bit of movie in which Peter hangs up his Spidey suit and comes to grips with his troubles - slows down the movie a bit, but it didn't bother me so much this time; otherwise, it continues setting up the characters pretty well
-Spidey vs. Doc Ock too + train - jaw droppingly awesome!
-Finale - fantastic
-First ending - obviously a hook to keep fans interesting for 2007 sequel; it's cool to see, but to wait 3 years?? Almost a cruel a trick
-Real ending - after so much drama between Peter and MJ, this was the next logical step, whether people like it or not. It made sense for the continuation of Peter and MJ's relationship. After all, they eventually got married in the comics from what I've heard - good ending

Alright, the drawn out talky scenes didn't bother me this time. Don't know why it bothered me before actually. Doc Ock, my favorite Spidey villian, was absolutely fucking fantastic! He was a step up from the hokey-but-decent Goblin from the original.

I don't why you schmoes have such a problem with Kirsten Dunst. I didn't see Kristen Dunst on the big screen, I saw Mary-Jane Watson. Kirsten Dunst stepped into her shoes just fine. If you think she's been bad in other movies, come into Spidey 2 with an open mind and don't think about those other roles! She also didn't go from hot to homely at the drop of a hat. This sequel takes place 2 years later. She's become a model part time and has moved on a bit. Everyone changes. But, she was still Mary Jane Watson

Now, the sequels. Right there at the end, Harry Osborne faces his father (in his mind) and finds his father's spare Goblin equipment. He's the new Green Goblin! And, that's his fate as with the comic book. They wouldn't show this at the end, if they weren't going to show it in the next movie. It's obvious Harry Osborne > The new Green Goblin is the next logical step in the storyline. However, with Dr. Connors, and other pivotal characters, the third movie should break the "1 villain per Spidey movie" clause and returning Green Goblin team up with Connors (who ever the heck he becomes, and other main side character-turned-villains).

I know there's still Venom to come, but I don't think they should use John Jamison, since he's the son of Peter Parker's boss, Mr. Jamison (unless that's how it was in the comic and show). I think they could hold venom until part 4, but then again, we're talking about Spidey 2 here. We shouldn't get way ahead of ourselves. Let's just rejoice for...SPIDER-MAN 2!!!!!

[adamjohnson]

I just hope they fix the Goblin mask in the third film. I axtually didnt have much of a problem with the rest of it.

Myabe the neighbors daughter was a cameo by someone. There were a few, you know who they were, maybe she was one too.

Some of the dialogue made me laugh though. "GO, Spidey, go!" Pff.

Love that Bruce scene thogh!

[Labbla]

This is one of the greatest movies I have ever seen. All of my critsisims are to small to even talk about.... A perfect super hero movie... 10/10

I just hope Batman Begins will be just as good or better.

[Shockwave]

..after giving this movie time to digest i must raise my score to a 9/10. Its a tie between it and X2 for top comic spot but they are so different i cant rate one over the other.

I also must go on record and say that the ending(all 4 of em!) to this movie makes the first movie seem much more complete, thereby raising its score from a 6/10 to a 7/10.

Great summer goodness! This was, to me, the movie that everyone said the first movie was. Ramis best movie ever, even above his Evil Dead work.

[Lynn Minmei]

I'll give it an 8/10.

It has my favorite line in any movie this year, (With the exception of "Beatrix, you can be a real cunt sometimes."): If you PUNCH me, I BLEED!.

oh god you have got to be kidding me

did he just say that

what




wait he did just say that




right?




i have cramps now






my leg just went numb




i cant move, shit




okay this is bad




i think im stuck to my seat man



did he just say that




wow that line really sucked




That about sums up the feelings I had in my head as Peter said that.

And let's not forget the classic: "This is heavy".

Well, duh. Oh, Pete, you're fucking Spider-Man and you're still awkward around the girls ;)

I wasn't as impressed with this as I was the first, and it was way too short.

And it seems to me that...




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...having Spider-Man reveal his true identity to Harry, Mary Jane, and those people on the train took away some of the movie's magic, but was still very effective, but it made it seem like this should be the last Spider-Man film.






















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I'm very depressed by this film. Now it's over, and in a few weeks, the advertising will stop so Spider-Man 2 will be no more than a memory before the DVD is released.

These big blockbuster films ending after years of anticipation just makes me heartbroken :(

I need more Spider-Man.


8/10

[Tweek]

"If you punch me I bleed"


Yes, if you're talking to wolverine

[Thrizzle]

I hated the parts with the Asain street performer, singing the theme song.

So annoying and stupid!

[notchreturns]

I enjoyed it much more than I thought I would.

AMAZING action scenes, great villian, and the comedy worked for me.

8/10.

[Lazy Boy]

Originally posted by Tweek
"If you punch me I bleed"

The movie was going all Shakespeare with that line; it brought back memories of The Merchant of Venice.

How was the film as a whole? I liked it a lot, but I can't say whether or not it's better than the first. I will say that Doc Ock was a better villain than Gobby (that damn Power Rangers suit ruined him for me) and the "talky" character driven moments are what I like about the series, not the action. Little moments, like MJ kissing her astronaut boyfriend upside down, or Peter clutching his back in pain after falling several stories (a little dig at the press surrounding Maguire's back problems?), or the best scene in the entire freaking film: the hospital massacre. I had a cringe-worthy smile on my face even while I was witness to the brutality. The acting is stronger all around: Tobey Maguire's eyes are the driving force behind his performance, Kirsten Dunst is better than she was in the previous installment (still breathless in speech, but I didn't mind), and James Franco was suitably miserable.

Not the greatest film of the summer, but it was very entertaining, and it managed to overcome some stumbles and hurdles.

8/10

[Benny]

It was my most-anticipated film of the summer, and it did not disappoint.

All the pieces from the first movie are still here for the second film. The special effects are awesome, as are the action scenes. The acting is still great, Maguire has matured a lot from the first movie. And the new villain, Otto Octavius (Doc Ock) played by Alfred Molina, is very effective here. Franco and Dunst also improve over their performances in the first, and J.K. Simmons gets a lot more chances to ham it up here as the Daily Bugle's editor.

The movie's really fun too. Like the first, it has many very funny parts along with lots of tense drama. And unlike many other summer brainless action movies, it has depth and heart, and a truly interesting plot other than the protagonist has to save the world. The film also never tries to present Spiderman is a larger-than-life character. Like any person, Spiderman has flaws and is not perfect... this is partly why I loved the first scene of him delivering pizza through Manhattan. The multiple endings were a little annoying, but they definitely brought closure to this chapter of the story, and (like X2) left with a great cliffhanger for the third film.

So what didn't I like? Well, there were some scenes that felt a bit repetitive from the original, such as the villain's transformation, how they both come from "scientific malfunctions." Also some of the lines, such as (Minor Spoiler):
"I've always been standing in your doorway"
are particularly cheesy.

But still, these can be overlooked because the movie is a near-perfect blockbuster, and the best movie I've seen of 2004 so far. Bravo, Sam Raimi, on this film, now the long wait for Spiderman 3 begins...

9/10

[optimus1]

What more can I say then has already been stated..I loved the movie..the people here who are hung up on the CGI need to relax a bit and remember its a friggin comic book movie..it all looked fine to me and spidey looked way more convincing then in the first movie. I love Kirsten Dunst , I think she is good with the material she is given to work with and she has such a great rack...you would all bend her over so fast but I realize its cool to bash her on the net so have at it. Alfred Molina did a nice job as Doc Oc , he was very convincing and menacing which does not surprise me as he is good in all of the movies he is in. Great movie for sure , IMHO they need to let at least 3 years go by before the next flick to keep it fresh..To me this is tied with the first Batman for the best comic book movie ever , in 2nd place is X-MEN and Spidey 1 is 3rd.

9/10

[DRbeauty]

From what I've been told, the neighbor's daughter might become a new character, like Black Cat, or someone like that.

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally posted by DRbeauty
From what I've been told, the neighbor's daughter might become a new character, like Black Cat, or someone like that.

I really cant see her as Black Cat. Basically because of 2 reasons;

1. She doesnt have..well..the Build for that part.

2. She's obviously not a 'bad girl' which is what Black Cat is supposed to be.

I could see her becoming something of a spinoff of Gwen Stacy though. As her character, in my opinion, seemed very sweet and innocent. Which is what Gwen was the absolute embodiment of. While Mary Jane is just the opposite.

I guess we'll have to wait awhile to find out if her character will indeed grow, or just be regulated to a background character within the sequels.

[Shockwave]

I could see her becoming something of a spinoff of Gwen Stacy though.

Thats exactly who i thought she was.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

I saw the movie again last night and liked it even more than the first time around. Almost every thing in this movie clicks so well, from the character growth to the action. Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst had a few stumbles in their performances, IMO (delivery of lines and reactions) but Dunst made a big improvement over her damsel in distress role from teh first. However, the scene in which Doc Oc throws the car through the window and comes to kidnap MJ is particularly painful when it comes to defending Dunst's performance; the girl looked half asleep. I also gotta stress how awesome the fight scenes were. The CGI was usually reasonable enough, especially on Oc's tentacles. Bring on Spider-Man 3 with Eliza Dushku as Black Cat!

8/10

[Nachokoolaid]

Originally posted by Tayzlor


I really do not know what the point was of having the scenes with Otto and his wife. Unless that was buiding up to something for future Spidey movies, it served no purpose. If they were trying to make us understand and feel sorry for Doc, they failed pretty miserably because after his experiment gone awry he became your typical superhero villain.



SPOILERS...
Alright buddy, go see it again, because you missed a lot of stuff.

Doc Ock loses his wife, and in that "Gollum" scene where he is contemplating rebuilding this plays an important role. Plus, did you see the end of the film? That whole scene with Peter, Doc Ock and his wife where they talk about intelligence being a privelidge? That seemed to come up again at the end, at the crucial point where Doc Ock decides to help Spidey and sacrifice his life to save the city. I'd say that was pretty important, and without those scenes with the wife, this part would have failed miserablely due to less action and more of the emotional punch of the scene. That emottion wouldn't be there without those earlier scenes.

And I'd disagree about Doc Ock being a typical villian. I don't remember too many villians sacrificing their lives to save anyone. Do you? Mollina's portrayal, and the character of Doc Ock were great, and made this film 10 times better. I was sceptical of the casting at first, but I can't imagine anyone pleasing me more in this role.

I really was looking forward to BATMAN BEGINS. I love Batman (look at the avatar) and I thought that it would probably easily stand alone as a great comic book movie. Now, it's going to have to really excel in order to even touch this Spidey film. This is the best super-hero film EVER. Better than X2, better than SUPERMAN, and that's saying a lot. All superhero films, and all films in general, really have their work cut out for them now. Spidey 2 has really raised the bar.

I watched the original Spidey when I got home from watching Spidey 2, and it really pales compared to this one. This one has better action, acting, direction, everything. Raimi has made the best film of his career, and that's obvious.

And Dellamorte, this is some of the best CGI I've seen in a film. Very convincing. It's not better, but it's on par with LOTR. If it wasn't for those helicopters in the last scene, I'd even rate it higher.

SPIDERMAN 2 - 10/10
X2- 9/10
BATMAN-9/10
SUPERMAN-9/10
SPIDERMAN- 8/10

[silentasylum]

This is like the roller coaster ride you get off and instantly want to ride again.

[Tweek]

1. She doesnt have..well..the Build for that part.

Well, if they introduced the super soldier formula somehow...

but Dunst made a big improvement over her damsel in distress role from teh first.
How?!

[Lynn7]

I think the most important thing in filmaking is to establish likeable and beleivable characters so that the audience can become emotionally involved. I loved the way they showed the wife and Dr. Ock.

SPOILER The villain here was science not the man. He was a good guy whose brain was taken over.

[dellamorte dellamore]

You gotta be freakin kidding me , the greatest super / comic book hero movie of all time , please don't make me laugh , this film was as standard as it gets with regards to action films . So predictable , so cliched , so derivative , so soulless and pandering .

It's entertaining , and it features some sloppily edited but exciting fight scenes ( moves so fast you can't tell what's going on ) , but seriously there is nothing even remotely great about this film . It rips off the Batman and Superman films with reckless abandon , guess Raimi knows most people won't pick up on his obvious hacking and raping of other comic book hero films .


I thought i was going to be blown into the stratosphere like i was led to believe i would , but all i was thinking the whole time was this is it ? There has to be something more , and not in the obligatory sequels .


The more i think of it , the more i realize Cameron should have gotten the gig , this Raimi dude is just spitting out a safe , predictable , seen it all before product . Yeah , it makes money , but it is disposable nonsense .


I did like it , but come on already , at no time did i get blown away , in fact it made me want to see Batman Begins all the more , the return of the real comic book hero .

[Tweek]

Originally posted by Lynn7
I think the most important thing in filmaking is to establish likeable and beleivable characters so that the audience can become emotionally involved. I loved the way they showed the sife and Dr. Ock.

SPOILER The villain here was science not the man. He was a good guy whose brain was taken over.


word to your mother

[dellamorte dellamore]

If you like cardboard cutout characters , you'll cream all over yourselves with the ones in this .

[Fisting Ackbar]

SPOILERS AHOY!



















Originally posted by Fisting Ackbar
but I'm going to be pissed if that fag Peter Parker turns down Mary Jane again at the end.

So he managed to turn MJ down again but he got her anyway... meh, can't say that I'm complaining.

Liked it better than the first. Alfred Molina was cool, as was J.K. Simmons who is slowly becoming one of my favorite supporting character actors. Loved the hospital sequence with the EVIL DEAD style camera angles (also note the use of a chainsaw (!) at one point). Little cheesy at times, but my favorite flick of the summer so far.

8/10 (first one was a 7/10)


One question though: what was up with the chick who invited Peter Parker over for cake and milk? For a moment they seemed to go into a whole new direction with Parker finding new love, but they never resolved that in the end.

[Tweek]

I wish they would have developed Betty Brant's interest in Peter more.


Betty > Mary Jane

[Labbla]

Yeah, the actress who plays Betty is a lot hotter than Dunsts.

[thompsoncory]

I loved it. Everything improved from the original. The best comic book film of all time. Kirsten Dunst and Alfred Molina steal the show here.

10/10 (A+)


By comparison:

SPIDER-MAN - 9/10 (A)
X-MEN - 7/10 (B)
X2: X-MEN UNITED - 9/10 (A-)
DAREDEVIL - 8/10 (B+)

[Haddonfield]

This is an excellent movie.



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One of the things I most liked about the first Spidy was the ending where Peter walks away from MJ. They took that emotion and threw it all over this movie. There really isnt any I can say differently that everyone else hasnt already said but Ill echo some of the thoughts.

The direction in this film was fantastic.Yes the Evil Dead moment was a dream comes true but there were also other more subtle camera nods thats were equaly as impressive. Little things like tilting the camera a certain way was not lost on me. Great job there.

I will admit the end of the first movie did put a tear in my eye. And this one did the same thing. It broke my heart that he turned her down in the first and it broke it again when she demanded Peter love her.

The Dafoe cameo was a big surprise and even better was Harry finding the secret room. It was goosepump heaven for me. And speaking of which, the fight scenes in this move were fantastic. Peter stopping the train was also nicely done.

Doc Ock was perfect in this movie. He never really seemed evil and he didnt really have anything against Spidy which is very different for a "villian" in a movie. Harry was more evil than this guy.

Overall this movie took what I really loved about the first one and plugged it in all over this one. It was more focused and more bleek and this time, in the end, he gets the girl.

Great movie.

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
You gotta be freakin kidding me , the greatest super / comic book hero movie of all time , please don't make me laugh , this film was as standard as it gets with regards to action films . So predictable , so cliched , so derivative , so soulless and pandering .


REally Dellamorte? I loved the way this character is so clumsy and vulnerable. BAtman and Superman are so confident and superior (except that Clarke Kent is deliberately awkward but that doens't count) Nothing goes right for this guy. I do agree that there were some similarities to one of the Superman movies (2?) loss of power and giving up the superhero thing for love. The only Batman I thought was comparable was the first one where they had a good story the other ones were all too diluted (the second one was just OK) This I thought was a great follw up movie. Sorry you didn't like it so much.

I do remember that Cameron was drooling over making this movie and it never worked out- he just couldn't get the rights for it. I was worried about how good a job someone else would do but Sam did a good job, IMO. I guess he loved Spiderman as a kid and had the posters in his room.

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by Tweek
word to your mother

I didn't know what this meant so I googled it and it brought me to urbandictionary.com

Urban Dictionary.com is a slang dictionary with your definitions. Define your world.

8 definitions of word to your mother.


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word to your mother
4 thumbs up
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1) I fully agree with you, you nicely brought up fellow
2) Say hellow to your sexy milf
3) I'm a white boy in need of a cool sounding motto.

Friend: "Dude, that Samantha Noel is some hot babe."
Other Guy: "Word to your mother!"



LOL! I'm going with the first meaning-thanks!

[drdash]

great movie! had some great trailers with it.
saw blade 3, seed of chucky, dark waters, the aviatorand anacondas. as far as the movie goes great action and great drama. loved the hospital scene very reminiscent of evil dead. loved the fights, just like the comic.

ciao
drdash

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Greeeeeeeeeeeat flick. I loved it. I can't wait to see it again. :)

9/10

I also loved the Evil Dead-esque humor that Raimi let creep in. :)

[Tweek]

Originally posted by Lynn7


LOL! I'm going with the first meaning-thanks!

-bows-

[absolutezero]

I admire Sam Rami's filming style, but I have to admit. The script was very lackluster and was aimed at a very young audience. I saw the first film in the cinema and thought it was pretty good. I then bought it on DVD when it came out, to my surprise I found the movie on second viewing to be close to horrible. This feeling didn't change when I went and saw number 2 on the weekend. Where the acting, script and pace of the film was close to bad. The ammount of cliche's present was close to criminal. The plot holes were eye rollingly bad. Spidermans power ability kept changing in my opinion, how far can he go? I didn't realise that he had superman strength, could withstand huge chunks of steal whacking into him relenlessly, and then be knocked out with one whack of Doc Ocks claw. Hmmm. Doc Ock is another example of this hole. He is supposed to have only human powers except for his tenticles, how come he can take a 'spiderman' punch, or be slamed in to hard objects without harm?

I won't be watching the 3rd at the cinema.

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by absolutezero
I admire Sam Rami's filming style, but I have to admit. The script was very lackluster and was aimed at a very young audience. I saw the first film in the cinema and thought it was pretty good. I then bought it on DVD when it came out, to my surprise I found the movie on second viewing to be close to horrible. This feeling didn't change when I went and saw number 2 on the weekend. Where the acting, script and pace of the film was close to bad. The ammount of cliche's present was close to criminal. The plot holes were eye rollingly bad. Spidermans power ability kept changing in my opinion, how far can he go? I didn't realise that he had superman strength, could withstand huge chunks of steal whacking into him relenlessly, and then be knocked out with one whack of Doc Ocks claw. Hmmm. Doc Ock is another example of this hole. He is supposed to have only human powers except for his tenticles, how come he can take a 'spiderman' punch, or be slamed in to hard objects without harm?

I won't be watching the 3rd at the cinema.

LOL! You raise a lot of good points. I think that when I try to kill a spider it is very hard for me to squash it. Maybe that is why he is so durable *g* I have to admit this stuff crossed my mind during the train scene but I forgave it casue I liked the character so much.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by absolutezero
I admire Sam Rami's filming style, but I have to admit. The script was very lackluster and was aimed at a very young audience. I saw the first film in the cinema and thought it was pretty good. I then bought it on DVD when it came out, to my surprise I found the movie on second viewing to be close to horrible. This feeling didn't change when I went and saw number 2 on the weekend. Where the acting, script and pace of the film was close to bad. The ammount of cliche's present was close to criminal. The plot holes were eye rollingly bad. Spidermans power ability kept changing in my opinion, how far can he go? I didn't realise that he had superman strength, could withstand huge chunks of steal whacking into him relenlessly, and then be knocked out with one whack of Doc Ocks claw. Hmmm. Doc Ock is another example of this hole. He is supposed to have only human powers except for his tenticles, how come he can take a 'spiderman' punch, or be slamed in to hard objects without harm?

I won't be watching the 3rd at the cinema.

To be fair, Spiderman was knocked out because he was exhausted from the ordeal of the train.

And Dock Ock never took that many punches. At the end, when hes being punched in the water, you can see its really having an effect on him.

Spide-mans strength is zlot more impressive than one would think. Although its nowhere near say, The Hulk or Superman, its been compared to being just below them. In the comics ive seen Spiderman hold up the Daily Bugle building itself, as it was near collapsing. Lifting up tons upon tons of rubble of his back. I believe Spiderman's strength does max out at around 10 tons however.

[Tweek]

And Dock Ock never took that many punches. At the end, when hes being punched in the water, you can see its really having an effect on him

plus his arms do most of the fighting lol

[Rick-James]

I saw it again today.. good times.

[absolutezero]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
To be fair, Spiderman was knocked out because he was exhausted from the ordeal of the train.

I agree. Just seemed to be no explanation about how strong he actually was.

One other thing. When Harry tells Doc Ock to go and ask Peter Parker where Spiderman was, do you think it was a little over the top of him to throw a car a him to get his attention? What if he hit Parker, then he would never have gotten to spiderman.

[Tweek]

ha

i think the scene with the car was just so they could use a bit more of that 200 million dollar budget.

[Shockwave]

When Harry tells Doc Ock to go and ask Peter Parker where Spiderman was, do you think it was a little over the top of him to throw a car a him to get his attention? What if he hit Parker, then he would never have gotten to spiderman.

He was also insane at the time.

At the end when Doc Ock regained control it seemed that when he recognized Peter, it was the first time since the accident. Like he had come out of a fog.



And Dock Ock never took that many punches. At the end, when hes being punched in the water, you can see its really having an effect on him

Its a problem in the comic as well, Doc Ock has always somehow been able to take Spider-mans punches and kicks, just not many of them.

..but yeah, he looked pretty drained when S-man was beating the crap out of him in the water and Spider-man was also probably pulling his punches, as he claims to in the comic.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Originally posted by drdash
great movie! had some great trailers with it.
saw blade 3, seed of chucky, dark waters, the aviatorand anacondas. as far as the movie goes great action and great drama. loved the hospital scene very reminiscent of evil dead. loved the fights, just like the comic.

ciao
drdash

I'm thinking the hospital scene is more of an Army of Darkness recreation instead of any one of the first two Evil Dead films .


Yeah , how come that Doc guy never had any bruises on him after getting pounded relentlessly by SM , that's odd . I also wondered how Parker got from Queens to Downtown Manhattan on only a scooter , which prob only goes about 30 MPH , he would have had to drive on the side of the road to accomplish this ( if you seen all the garbage on the side of the NYC roads , oh boy flat tire city ) , and trust me , if he tried to do this on the main roads , he would get run over by all the manic drivers , it simply can't be done , at least give him a real motorcycle or something , or let him take public transport , much more believable . Or he can just swing around , but he didn't want to bring attention to himself .


Mild Spoilers


Throughout the film we are hit over the head by the fact that Parker has no money whatsoever . In one scene his Landlord takes his last 20 bucks because he owes for the rent . In the next scene , or the scene after we see him doing laundry , and somehow it seems he has money for other things , food , gas , film for his camera , soap , or whatever else . For a guy who doesn't have any money , he seems to do a lot of things . I just never bought the whole pauper thing , it never really worked . And please, delivering pizzas isn't the only job in NY , there are tons of other places he could have made a couple of bucks , tons , so that scene with him losing his job at the pizza place was retarded , but it set up some Superman comedy ( the guy who thougth he snagged some free pizza ) so i guess it was needed . And when he delivered those pizzas in his costume , where did he put his clothes ? I didn't see anywhere he could have carried them , but when he gets to his destination , voila , he has them again ( think he had his helmet also , i forget already ) . And when his Aunt's house went into foreclosure . I guess she never heard of a preforeclosure sale . She could have sold her house before the bank repossesed , paid her arrears , and still made a profit . In queens she prob could have goten about 300,000 US for it , and considering she prob only originally paid 8,000 for it , she really would have cashed out . Yeah , but then we couldn't feel sorry for her , and the script writers would have had to rack their brains a bit to incorporate that plot element , and we wouldn't have felt sorry for the little old lady , and the melodrama would have been lessened . And the kd next store wouldn't have been introduced ( he got ripped off big time for his labor , only 5 dollars to move all that stuff , man talk about slave labor ) .



Just a little aside , more proof that SM is ripping Batman Forever . The final showdown was reminiscent once again of the scene at Edward Nigma's Nygmatech Hideout . Couldn't help but think of the similarities when i watched it . Don't know why other people aren't making the connection , it's pretty damn obvious .


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Yeah , sounds as if i'm complaining , not really , just pointing out some little things that bothered me , because i did like it , i'm just not going bonkers over it like some other shmoes , it's still not the best comic book hero film of all time , and it owes so much to other films in it's genre , i can't even call it groundbreaking .


I do have to admit , Franco finally showed some acting chops in this film , maybe for the first time ever , he at least reached daytime soap opera effectiveness , and for him and this franchise , that's an accomplishment . He played an effective , pissed off on his way to being a burnt out drunk very nicely . Then again , all the other perfs were so average , he didn't have much competition . Never thought i would say that , and yes , the Green Goblin is a better villian than Doc Oc . Oc may be more flashy but the Gob seemed more human and 3 dimensional . Damn , didn't think i would say that either . I love the glider , and i found myself missing it . The technology behind Octavius's mechnical arms was just too confusing , i was lost . I also was getting some serious Matrix flashbacks with those things .

[optimus1]

If you like cardboard cutout characters , you'll cream all over yourselves with the ones in this

dellamorte dellamore , with all due respect what movie did you watch..everyone's entitled to there opinions but clearly you are biased against Raimi or just strive to be different..the overwhelming majority of people who seen this movie loved it..your a hard guy to impress :) The movie was fantastic , it certainly ranks up there with the first Batman , the best Superman movie and either X-MEN title. I too though have high hopes for the next Batman flick but it will have to be awesome to be better then this movie. The only fault i can see now after watching SM2 again is not enough Doc OCK , and a bit too much comedy..and yes a few times I did think the CGI was too evident but I was PRETTY riveted and can't wait for the DVD.

[Anthony4sho]

Dellamorte, your being way too anal. In fact alot of you people hear are very anal when it comes to movies. Bitch and whine about everything - cgi, acting, little plot holes that most people don't notice - instead of enjoying the movie. If you want everything explained to you, go read a novel or ask the director.
I don't mean to be harsh, but if your like that with every movie then there are probably not many movies you enjoy.

I agree tho that it seems a tad impossible for Doc Ock to survive a very long fall on to a speeding train. Spidey's strength actually max's out at 11 tons. You gotta remember that a Spider, along with any similar insect, can drop from height's ten times itself, and survive without being harmed. Spider-Man has gotten all of those abilities, and it only makes sense that he gets stronger in every movie because over time he learns how to maximize his skills more and more.

[The Prowler]

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
This is what a comic book movie should be, not the plotless and idiotic X-Men 2. This is also what a summer movie should be. I liked the first one, but it was more promising than anything. This fulfills the promises, and oh boy does it. My favorite thing had to be the directing, which Raimi really excelled at. Lots of great tricks and shots (I particularly loved all the zooms in the MJ/Peter cafeteria scene, the one in the preview). The opening credits were also some of the best I've ever seen. Great villain (and I really thought it was going to be a lame job from Molina, but it was perfect), and some of the most entertaining action scenes I've seen in a long time. 8/10

I couldn't agree more with you on this. Spiderman, actually both films, are miles better than the X Men movies. Both were way overrated in my oppinion. Spiderman 1 & 2 both succeed cause of the brilliant director behind the lens, Sam Raimi. The man absolutley knows how to craft a movie whether its Spiderman or A Simple Plan. I think he will go down as a great director when its all said and done. I get more out of his movies than I do with the recent Spielberg efforts. Raimi knows how to craft an intriging story and has such believalbe characters

[MadsenOMC]

I have no problem whatsoever with plot holes and things that are unrealistic (surviving falls or whatever). I accept the kind of movie it is and go with it. But, I can't help but find CGI distracting at times, especially when it's so obvious. And bad acting bothers me, too. I think Dunst is awful, and sometimes when she was onscreen it was difficult for me to ignore that. I can easily overlook little things that do not matter in a movie like this. But weak CGI and bad acting are harder for me to ignore. Can't help it. I couldn't disagree more with the opinion that the X-Men movies are overrated and this series is superior. I feel the exact opposite. I think this one and the original are two of the most overrated movies ever, and I love the X-Men movies. So to each their own I guess.

[optimus1]

I loved both XMEN movies too , can't see how any fan of the XMEN would be disappointed over either one. Both had very good acting , a few hot chicks , and good special effects. These 2 movies , both Spiderman movies , the first Batman flick and maybe the first Superman movie are my best comic book movie choices of all time. I hope to add the next Batman to that list.

[Lynn7]

I thought Delamorte brought up alot of good points- I loved this movie but some of the inconsistencies are fun to spot and comment on- at least for me! Like when you see a palm tree in a movie in a place that is supposed to be Maine or something like that-it's all fun.

[Pvt. Joker]

I loved this movie.....although I did find some of the acting in the movie was sub-par at best and some of the lines pretty weak, I still would have to say this movie is awesome. I like Toby as well, I think he plays the part of spiderman very well. I also loved the Doc Oc too, he was interesting and believe-able. Over all for me it was an awesome movie, one I will watch again.

[absolutezero]

I have one more complaint to add now that I remebered it.

Near the end Mary Jane says the most cringe worthy line I've witnessed for a long time:

"Go get 'em Tiger"

Has she got short term memory loss or something? She knows he is spiderman doesn't she?

:mad:

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by absolutezero
I have one more complaint to add now that I remebered it.

Near the end Mary Jane says the most cringe worthy line I've witnessed for a long time:

"Go get 'em Tiger"

Has she got short term memory loss or something? She knows he is spiderman doesn't she?

:mad:

Now THAT is nit picking. Go get em Tiger is just a saying.

[Tweek]

i hope to jebus you're joking.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
Now THAT is nit picking. Go get em Tiger is just a saying.

It may be just a saying, but it was still pretty fucking lame. I don't think that's nit picking. It's an example of some of the horrible dialogue found in the movie.

[Cunning Visions]

I found out something about the whole "Go get'em Tiger" thing...it was actually a reference to the comics. Supposedly one of Peter's nicknames in the comics was Tiger. I'm not up on my comicbook lore so maybe someone can help out.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
It may be just a saying, but it was still pretty fucking lame. I don't think that's nit picking. It's an example of some of the horrible dialogue found in the movie.

No, it's nit picking.

What'd he expect? Go get em, Spider?

[Tweek]

LMAO
Go get 'em Spider.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by Cunning Visions
I found out something about the whole "Go get'em Tiger" thing...it was actually a reference to the comics. Supposedly one of Peter's nicknames in the comics was Tiger. I'm not up on my comicbook lore so maybe someone can help out.

MJ calls Peter that ALL the time in the comics. In fact, its the first thing she ever says to him. In the comics they meet on sort of a blind date, remember Peter is still not dating after the Gwen Stacy death. When he opens the door to see her (Im standing in your doorway) the first thing she says to him is "Face it tiger, you just hit the jackpot"

Sidenote, I found the worst line to be "Go, Spidey, Go!" That just made me cringe, I actually felt embarassed. "It's a web..." No SHIT its a web! A MUCH better line, in place of both of those, would have been a very calm "He's here...."

That was th eonly one I wish they would hvae cut out. It IS aimed at a lower audience so you have to give it some leeway, but that was just... dumb.

[Country1969]

Contains a few Spoilers:


I saw this movie on Sunday.
I really liked it no matter what people have said.

One thing I wish was that Dunst would've looked more like she did in the poster. That hair style has to go.


I loved the train scene also.

When he took off his mask and he was standing on the front of the train. It was like everybody including Spiderman didnt even notice what had happened and they held him. But they were grateful so the secret was safe.
That was a great scene.

There were a few funny scenes that made audience laugh.
I thought the special effects was great also.

I didn't like Doc Ock character so much.I know it follows the comic books.
I never really read them as I was growing up.
I wish I had them now.
Saw the show all the time.

I will be buying this dvd when it comes out.

Spiderman 3 , bring it on....

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
No, it's nit picking.

What'd he expect? Go get em, Spider?

To each their own. Sorry if some people think the movie has horrible dialogue.

[dellamorte dellamore]

More and more i'm getting the feeling that Raimi and his crew slapped together an average , pandering , uninspired effort ,, because they knew they already had everybody by the balls , so why put that much effort into it , they will see it no matter .

Yeah , it's fantasy , but i don't see why a bit of narrative detail can't be involved , even in that fantastical world . I don't see why an attempt at some believable characterizations can't be made . I don't see why more live action can't be utilized . Don't see why the dialogue can't be more believable , instead of cringe worthy , like some have pointed out .


Now that this one has cashed out as predicted , there is no motivation for Raimi to improve any of the first two film's deficiencies , he can pretty much slap out whatever nonsense he wants , and people will think it's the best film ever made . Me , personally , i think he's asleep at the wheel , and i'm now wishing someone else would have gotten the gig , he's looking like the third , maybe fourth best choice for this franchise .

I don't care how talented he is , he's hacked before with the film Darkman , and he's at it again . He's not that great , but because these films are doing so well , he's considered some sort of genius ( i think Army of Darkness is his best film ) .


Now , i do have to say , that if i didn't grow up with the Supe and Batman films that i probably would have gone bonkers over these films , but no matter how hard i try , the sense of the familiar prevents me from embracing these films , but that's just one of the problems i have with these creations .

Man , some of those speeches about people needing a hero and such are lame , just silly , and i still can't get behind a hero who isn't as vulnerable as a regular person , he's not really taking any risks , not like a Batman / Bruce Wayne . I never get the sense that he's in any real danger , where is the suspense factor ? It's totally non existent . He'll just shoot a few webs and use his super powers to save the day , it becomes redundant after awhile , which is exactly what this franchise has become already , redundant , predictable , formulatic . I could have sworn i was watching the first film on many occasions when i watched this , they even practically recreate scenes from the first ( the talk Pete and MJ have in his Aunt's backyard ) .


So , i say , let's get to the third so the whole Harry Osborn subplot can get resolved , and end this overblown franchise already , i'm already tiring of it .

[MadsenOMC]

Well said dd. I agree with your assessment. I like Raimi. I don't hold For Love of the Game against him. I like the Evil Dead series and The Gift and especially A Simple Plan. He's a very talented director. But I don't think he's doing anything more than an OK job with the Spiderman movies. IMO Bryan Singer and Guillermo del Toro are much better with a big budget action movie. I like both X-Men movies, Blade II and Hellboy more than both Spiderman movies. I'm at a loss as to why they are so universally adored. And I agree with dd that it seems no matter what, a Spiderman movie will be loved and adored upon release.

[RogueSpear]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
More and more i'm getting the feeling that Raimi and his crew slapped together an average , pandering , uninspired effort ,, because they knew they already had everybody by the balls , so why put that much effort into it , they will see it no matter .

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I'm at a loss as to why they are so universally adored. And I agree with dd that it seems no matter what, a Spiderman movie will be loved and adored upon release.

Why not just accept that a lot of people liked the movie whereas you didn't?

Christ, you both make it sound like the people who loved the movie are just a bunch of mindless drones who accept whatever is force-fed to them. People are capable of making their own decisions. I'd be willing to bet money that most people aren't saying they love it just because it's a Spider-Man movie.

[RogueSpear]

...double post...

[MadsenOMC]

I do accept it. I realize that I'm in the minority. And I don't think everyone who loves it is a mindless drone. It just confounds me. Isn't there a movie(or movies) that pretty much everyone loves, and you don't, and you just don't get it? That's how I feel about the Spiderman movies. It's not that I think the adoring fans are dumb or wrong, and I apologize if I gave that impression. I just don't get it, and I'm fine with that. I don't lose any sleep over it. Just one of those things.

[Thrizzle]

It seems to me that the action scenes were more than anyone could ever ask for....but "everything else" was mediocre to bad. And "everything else" means the emotional "expressing feelings" scenes, because thats what most of the movie is. Maybe it was Raimi, maybe it was the ZERO chemistry between Tobey and Kirstin. Probably both.

[RogueSpear]

Originally posted by Thrizzle
It seems to me that the action scenes were more than anyone could ever ask for....but "everything else" was mediocre to bad. And "everything else" means the emotional "expressing feelings" scenes, because thats what most of the movie is. Maybe it was Raimi, maybe it was the ZERO chemistry between Tobey and Kirstin. Probably both.

That's funny, 'cause I thought the action scenes were mediocre at best. The thing that drew me in was the interaction between the characters. All those emotional "expressing feelings" scenes were what made the movie great for me. The action scenes left an awful lot to be desired, IMHO.

[absolutezero]

Originally posted by Tweek
i hope to jebus you're joking.

At least someone got my joke. I thought it was funny. :)

I rate how bad a film is on cringe worthy lines and that was one of many in that film. There was no emotion, spiderman was never in any real danger to me, and the whole "boo hoo I'm poor" story that dragged for about 50 minutes was pathetic.

If you cut 30 - 45 mins from that film it would knock it up a few notches.

[Duke Nukem]

If you you knocked off 30-45 minutes, than people would be complaining how little substance the film had, plus the film would only be a shorter at 75 to 90 minutes. So, its the same argument there.

I don't get it. We get so many action movies that are all action and no plot, for instance the recent "Torque," and people bombarded that film for being so unemotional, lame, no plot, etc. Then, once a while, we get serious action movies with more substance and depth to back the action and make them strong films...and people bash them for being too "boring" or "too emotional" and basically "too much." It's like we never win. know what I mean?

I'll say this. "Spiderman 2" had maybe a little too much drama and emotional scenes going for it, but not so much that film was bad. For the most part, those scenes helped us really feel for the characters, especially Peter and Mary-Jane. And, the film probably had less action scenes than expected, leaving some us to indeed desire. But, the action scenes that were there still were amazing as hell and exciting to watch. Put that all that drama and action together, and I think the film has an even enough mix of fun for everyone...

...Except Dellomore Dellemore and Madsen of course. This film had more going for it than most a lot of action films. There was more material for the characters to deal with, other than the action scenes. I don't how you can say the characters were "cookie-cutter."

And, the dialogue wasn't that bad. "Go get em, Tiger"? What is so wrong with that line? Apparently, MJ said that to Spidey/Peter in the comics, and even if wasn't, the line is not that bad. Some lines did bother me though. "Still...in...the...village?" (when Peter and MJ talk after his Birthday party in the beginning), I didn't understand that line, don't know why they used that. There were some questionable lines like that, but not enough to ruin this movie. Get over those nasty nitpicking habits and have relax! Have fun!

[Tweek]

those scenes helped us really feel for the characters, especially Peter and Mary-Jane.


Mary Jane i felt nothing for. She's a selfish stupid character who deserves no empathy.

[Tony D'Amato]

Mutch better than Spider-man.

I just came home from the movie I'm gonna see it again tomorrow.

I just find this one more like the comics or the tv-series i loved it.

Spider-man: 7/10
Spider-man 2: 9/10

[Addi88]

Well.....I just saw this movie tonight and I would give it an 8/10. It was really great at times but the sound really bugged me for some reason. Maybe it was the theatre but the sound was ridiculously loud and it slightly ruined the movie. My ears were ringing a lot afterwards.

But tonight was one of the most intense theatre experiences I've ever witnessed. Crowd around my children and let me tell you about what happened.......(mild spoilers)

During the part where Ock is talking to Peter in the cafe, a girl in the theatre all of a sudden falls out of her seat. This guy all of a sudden yells "SOMEONE GET AN AMBULENCE!". The theatre is scared shit less by this and everyone who has a cell phone whips it out and starts dialing 911 but some of the phones didn't get any signal. I turned mine on and mine got a signal. I dialed 911 and I passed it onto my aunt who explained the situation to the person on the other end of the phone. Meanwhile, other people who had a signal dialed like mad. After a few minutes, cops and a medical team come into the theatre with a stretcher and they crowd around her seeing if she's ok. They carry her and put her on the stretcher and they wheel her away.

While this all happened, the goon running the projector didn't turn off the movie so as this girl is in trouble, the sound is going in the background and its just friggen loud. I felt bad for the girl.


It was a very intense night to say the least.

[Patrick Bateman]

Damn, I hope the girl is alright.

As for that stooge running the projector, I would have a few choice words for him. None of which I will post in this message, but you get the idea.

[Pvt. Joker]

I think people are over-anaylizing Spider Man 2 and are being way too hard on Rami. The movie did however pull in over 150 million in 5 days.

In my opinion what they did was very smart, they went after their expected core audience of children and teenagers under 16. You can't get into the complexities of life and all it has to offer and still appeal to them.

As for the adults, I think the movie did a good job in doing what it was suppose to, it was suppose to take you back to a time when you belived in heroes. All be it some of that dialouge was corny as an episode of Power Rangers, but that might have very well been the writers intentions. All you had to do was look into the eyes of the kid sitting three seats down from you and you see why lines like "go Spidey go" weren't left on the end of a delete key or rolled up into eraser refuse and swept off the paper.

I think the key to enjoying this film was not to over analize it and roll your yearly odometer back about 10 or 15 years. That's what I did and I walked out happy I shelled out the 7.50$ and look forward to purging my pockets for another 24$ plus tax when the dvd hits the shelves.

[chocodog]

i think pvt. joker's remark is the best opinion i have heard about the movie hands down. i enjoyed the movie but somestuff really irked me but what you said is absolutely right and i will just forget about the problems and enjoy it and hopefully the third will be even better.

[Tweek]

Originally posted by Pvt. Joker

I think the key to enjoying this film was not to over analize it and roll your yearly odometer back about 10 or 15


But then I'd be four years old, being forced to watch "Dallas"

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally posted by Tweek
But then I'd be four years old, being forced to watch "Dallas"

LOL Tweek

CHEERS! :)

[dellamorte dellamore]

Originally posted by Pvt. Joker
I think people are over-anaylizing Spider Man 2 and are being way too hard on Rami. The movie did however pull in over 150 million in 5 days.

In my opinion what they did was very smart, they went after their expected core audience of children and teenagers under 16. You can't get into the complexities of life and all it has to offer and still appeal to them.

As for the adults, I think the movie did a good job in doing what it was suppose to, it was suppose to take you back to a time when you belived in heroes. All be it some of that dialouge was corny as an episode of Power Rangers, but that might have very well been the writers intentions. All you had to do was look into the eyes of the kid sitting three seats down from you and you see why lines like "go Spidey go" weren't left on the end of a delete key or rolled up into eraser refuse and swept off the paper.

I think the key to enjoying this film was not to over analize it and roll your yearly odometer back about 10 or 15 years. That's what I did and I walked out happy I shelled out the 7.50$ and look forward to purging my pockets for another 24$ plus tax when the dvd hits the shelves.

Yeah , that's why i can't wait for Batman Begins , then i can get the adult version of a comic book hero film , not this silly nonsense , hell , the franchise has already started to get self referencial , check out the scene in the elevator . It usually takes 3 films to get to that point .



SPOILERS



Don't trains have an emergency stop lever , a manual override ? Someone could have just did that and the train would have at least slowed down . Or they could have just cut the electricity on that particular track , again it would have at least slowed it down . I think the MTA in NY monitors all trains from a control room , if they saw there was a prob , they would have isolated power on that line , at least i think they could .

[MadsenOMC]

Duke, I didn't want more action. I am fine with the way it is structured, more character development and less action. It's just that I think the acting and writing are pretty weak. Just my opinion of course.

[Anthony4sho]

Another thing is this isn't your regular Hero Vs Villian movie. Doc Ock was not a bad a guy to begin with, and never had a personal vendetta against Spider-Man the entire movie. And including to that, he sacrificed himself for the greater good. I like the way Raimi did that with Doc Ock.

[Common Sense Man]

Originally posted by Addi88


While this all happened, the goon running the projector didn't turn off the movie so as this girl is in trouble, the sound is going in the background and its just friggen loud. I felt bad for the girl.




Well for one thing the projectionist does not watch the movie for more than a few minutes from the booth. Especially if there is more than one theater.

And I can tell you from experience that that dude had no clue what was going on in the theater because he was probably so busy doing the hundred other things his jobs entails.

About the only time a person will know if something is wrong in the movie is if a customer comes out or he happens to be walking by at the time.

In the booth you do not hear the audio from the movie unless you turn it on, and you can't hear anything from the theater or see the people unless you really get down and look.

So cut the guy some slack he probably wasn't even in the booth but sweeping up some spilled corn somewhere.

Unite my projectionist brothers!


But on the topic of the movie. I liked it.

About the only thing that peeves me is the fact that he strips off his clothing and then later he has the same clothes on even though he is hundreds of blocks away!

But hey it is a no brainer comic book movie. And I thought it was done very well for what it was.

7/10

Out............................

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by Common Sense Man


About the only thing that peeves me is the fact that he strips off his clothing and then later he has the same clothes on even though he is hundreds of blocks away!


He'll web thewm to the side of the building and pick them up later.

[Addi88]

Originally posted by Common Sense Man
Well for one thing the projectionist does not watch the movie for more than a few minutes from the booth. Especially if there is more than one theater.

And I can tell you from experience that that dude had no clue what was going on in the theater because he was probably so busy doing the hundred other things his jobs entails.

About the only time a person will know if something is wrong in the movie is if a customer comes out or he happens to be walking by at the time.

In the booth you do not hear the audio from the movie unless you turn it on, and you can't hear anything from the theater or see the people unless you really get down and look.

So cut the guy some slack he probably wasn't even in the booth but sweeping up some spilled corn somewhere.

Unite my projectionist brothers!


Hm....I did not know this. Thanks for filling me in. I guess I just thought the manager or someone would've gotten access to the projector because there was a lot of the theatre staff in the theatre when this occurred.

[Pvt. Joker]

Originally posted by chocodog
i think pvt. joker's remark is the best opinion i have heard about the movie hands down. i enjoyed the movie but somestuff really irked me but what you said is absolutely right and i will just forget about the problems and enjoy it and hopefully the third will be even better.


Thanks chocodog, going into the movie with these expectations and lowering my guard really made it a better experience all around. However as being a person with some creative intuition I felt dirty when some of those lines and inconsistencies took place.


WARNING! SPOILERS!



As for the third, I hope it will be awesome, but James Franco worries me a little. Some times he can act but then again....
like for instence when he comes out of the building after the whole Doc. Oc. experiment went wrong and he says, I'm ruined and it's all spidermans fault! (or something like that). I mean as bad as a line that was, his idea of rage was terrible. Myself I was ruined before I even came out of the womb, but I have an idea of how I would be if I had just lost everything I worked to achieve, and that certainly wasn't it.

Other then that he comes across as a alright actor with some obvious talent, but I have a feeling there won't be an oscar in his immiediate future..........I still will go into Spiderman 3 with the same expectations as the first two.

[Pvt. Joker]

Originally posted by Tweek
But then I'd be four years old, being forced to watch "Dallas"


LMAO!! Thanks Tweek, I needed a laugh like that today:D .

[chocodog]

i went into the movie with really high expectations (too high) and i guess i was mad that the movie didnt meet them. but just because spiderman 2 did not end up absolutely spectacular does not mean it should be so heavily criticized. james franco is the worst part of spiderman though. i honestly belive he is one of the worst actors around and he is the prime example of someone completely relying on looks for succes in hollywood. i either laugh or cringe everytime he speaks. he has never showed flashes of talent either but he can be "serviceable" at times so as long as he can maintain mediocracy until he dies then the movie shouldnt suffer much from him.

[dellamorte dellamore]

That's funny , because i thought Franco was one of the bright spots , he surprised me in this one .

[ColinM]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
SPOILERS



Don't trains have an emergency stop lever , a manual override ? Someone could have just did that and the train would have at least slowed down . Or they could have just cut the electricity on that particular track , again it would have at least slowed it down . I think the MTA in NY monitors all trains from a control room , if they saw there was a prob , they would have isolated power on that line , at least i think they could .

All valid points, but on the other hand, this is a movie about a guy in tights who slings webs from his wrists and fights a dude with mechnical tentacles nailed to his back. If you’re looking for realism, this might not be the right place to look. ;)

Anyway, my review is available at www.pikezine.com...but it sucks. That's because I had to quick write quick it the night before to get it in on time, but most of my thoughts are there. It gets a big thumbs up for me; for some reason, I wasn’t really looking forward to the sequel – I was sure they’d screw it up – but yes, it was better than the original.

[chocodog]

franco's preformance was a little better in this than the first but that guy is still not a good actor and definately not one of the bright spots of this movie. but thats just my opinion. by the way, i doubt there will ever be a sam raimi movie where james franco is one of the best aspects.

[MadsenOMC]

I thought Franco was much better than Maguire, and I think that he is a much better actor in general than Maguire. I only wish he had been given better material to work with. See him on Freaks and Geeks. See him as James Dead in the made-for-TV movie. He's got some serious talent.

[chocodog]

my friend really likes freaks and geeks and said he was really good in that to. i didnt care for maguire in the second but i feel he has establshed himself as a decent actor, or at least capable of being decent (i really like wonderboys and seabuiscit wasnt too bad). i guess i shouldnt sell franco short so soon but i dont like him so far.

[Pvt. Joker]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I thought Franco was much better than Maguire, and I think that he is a much better actor in general than Maguire. I only wish he had been given better material to work with. See him on Freaks and Geeks. See him as James Dead in the made-for-TV movie. He's got some serious talent.

I agree Franco has some serious talent, there were scenes you could see that talent shining. But some ofthe scenes were terrible, some can be blamed on the terrible writing for sure, but the material is only as good as what the actor makes it....IMO. Who knows, maybe that's the direction Rami wanted Franco to go in, I'll just wait and see in the third installment to seewhere he has developed Harry Osborne.




WARNING!!SPOILERS!!





I enjoyed Franco's scenes at the end of the film when he looses his mind and begins to see his father, that's where I seen the talent come out in him. However I didn't think he did that hot of a job when he had Spiderman trapted and ready to plunge the knife through him.....just my opinon, but I felt like in some scenes he needed more emotion or more rage to justify looseing his mind. But part of that has to be blamed on the writing.

[chocodog]

i saw gene hackman on larry king a night or two ago and he was talking about how no matter how bad the movie was(writing, direction, surrounding talent, ect.) that if he was apart of the film he would put all his emotion into it. if it was a corny line he wasnt the type of guy to try to go and rewrite it but make it sound the best ot can. if it was a b movie there was jo changing that but he would do his best to make it the best B movie there is. i am not saying a actor should accept bad lines and not speakout or not be in a creative process at all but these comments are an example of why Gene Hackman is such a great actor and has been aprt of such great films. the dialogue was really bad at times in spiderman but that cannot be an excuse for bad acting. franco i will admit had some strong moments especially as the film progessed but he needs to do alot more before he is even decent. and of course franco is no hackman but i thought that he made some good points in the interview

[Tweek]

i saw gene hackman on larry king a night or two ago and he was talking about how no matter how bad the movie was(writing, direction, surrounding talent, ect.) that if he was apart of the film he would put all his emotion into it.

That's why he's the shit.
:cool:

[EDsoulsurvive*]

I've seen SM2 three times now and it's held up each time. I dunno what it is but I just find these characters charismatic and impossible not to care about. Kristen owns this one, IMO. Though some of the dialogue was corny, the cast dealt with it and did fine, save for a few of Maguire's scenes. Doc Oc made an amazing villian, this sequel out does the original in every aspect.

a very solid 8/10

[XCoRyX]

just saw this, it was solid, don't know which of the 2 films i dig more, i'm learning more towards the first as of now, but both have been solid films, and heres hoping the third will be just as solid...i don't dig the idea of Green Goblin all over again, theres other villains i'd prefer to be honest...i'd give it a 7.5/10

[Tweek]

The cover of August's Amazing Spider-man 511.:http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0405/24/amazing511.jpg


Look familiar?
it probably won't be gwen or the clone but meh!

[JoeChar4321]

Originally posted by EDsoulsurvive*
I've seen SM2 three times now and it's held up each time. I dunno what it is but I just find these characters charismatic and impossible not to care about. Kristen owns this one, IMO. Though some of the dialogue was corny, the cast dealt with it and did fine, save for a few of Maguire's scenes. Doc Oc made an amazing villian, this sequel out does the original in every aspect.

a very solid 8/10

More then solid! Everything in this movie is exceedingly better in the sequel then the original. The acting is superb. The dialogue is rich. Every character feels believable. This movie joins X-Men 2 as instant classics that redefine the comic book genre. It restores the sense of epic adventure and grand-scale storytelling that's been absent from far too many of today's alleged blockbusters. Director Sam Raimi talks to the summer crowd, not down to them. It’s brave to reach for the highest common denominator with a big budget film but Raimi delivers a film with as much feeling as it has action. It’s a movie that has a wonderful balance that delivers intelligence, heart and fun with the perfect pace.

[Spidey]

Great movie !! 9/10
I loved the 'elevator' scene :-)
But what happened to Kirsten Dunst in those two years ? She is need of an extreme make-over.
Is it just me or is the dude who plays Jonah Jameson the funniest guy alive ? I digged his 'Dr. Strange' line.
Only one thing bothered me , in the comics Doc Ock would never hurt aunt May , but in the movie he has no problem with killing her.
The metro scene is by far the best action scene this year.
Now bring on......this dude for Spidey III :

http://manduda.com/images/forsale/comics/v/venom-01.jpg

[dellamorte dellamore]

Yeah , Dunst is aging rapidly , but at the same time she's morphing into a little boy , scary . Oh well , she always had the body of a little boy , so she was never really that far away anyway .

[gyro_44]

This is a film to enjoy for its comic book flavor and to admire for its emphasis on character and the inner conflicts of its hero.

SPIDER-MAN 2 is a great piece of pop art from Sam Raimi. Personally, I think the man is doing a terrific job with this franchise. He's an INSANE visual stylist (as we see in the hospital room scene with Doc Ock among other examples), and he knows how to craft a story rich with human elements that feel refreshingly honest and true.

I thought there was almost too much of rehashing themes from the first film, but as Raimi and screenwriter Alvin Seargant mine the material, they find worthwhile new ends for all of these themes, leading to several great scenes.

Maguire is perfect, and I think Dunst is just fine. I especially liked Alfred Molina as Doc Ock and his fabulously CG-animated mechanical arms, which interact very well with the actor and his environment. The action scenes are confidently staged and exciting.

There are a few saggy bits, but the heart of this franchise remains stronger than ever. That's why I think it will stand up in the years to come.

8/10, pending a second viewing.

[Tweek]

Only one thing bothered me , in the comics Doc Ock would never hurt aunt May , but in the movie he has no problem with killing her.
Well, they had no prior history in the movies.

[ColinM]

Originally posted by Spidey
But what happened to Kirsten Dunst in those two years ? She is need of an extreme make-over.

I thought she looked as good as ever, but what I’m curious about is how did she go from “not good enough for soap operas” to “on a billboard on every corner of NYC” in just two short years? :D

Originally posted by Spidey
Only one thing bothered me , in the comics Doc Ock would never hurt aunt May , but in the movie he has no problem with killing her.

Out of curiosity, why is this? (I was a casual reader of the comics, but never read much with Doc Ock.) Was it something about Aunt May personally, or was he just not into hurting old ladies?

[ColinM]

Originally posted by gyro_44
SPIDER-MAN 2 is a great piece of pop art from Sam Raimi. Personally, I think the man is doing a terrific job with this franchise. He's an INSANE visual stylist (as we see in the hospital room scene with Doc Ock among other examples), and he knows how to craft a story rich with human elements that feel refreshingly honest and true.

I agree, we owe a lot to Sam Raimi for bringing Spidey to the screen the right way. To think, they almost gave the job to Ang Lee, the guy who totally screwed up Hulk. They dodged a bullet there...

[ColinM]

I have a question…does Ursula, the neighbor from Spider-Man 2, play some sort of a part in the comics or something? Although I really liked the actress playing her, her part in the movie seemed kinda pointless, but I know Raimi wouldn’t put her scenes in without good reason. There must be future plans for her or something...

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by Spidey

Only one thing bothered me , in the comics Doc Ock would never hurt aunt May , but in the movie he has no problem with killing her.
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Yeah, but one of the reasons for that was because they dated. BUT, even still he DID try to kill her when he was trying to get a hold of that nuclear reactor Aunt MAy had inherited.

What?

Yes, it's true.

So, not EVERYTHING can be so closely attributed to the comics, now can it???

[ColinM]

hehe, This is pretty funny. Absolute nonsense, of course, but funny. I just read this post on the IMDb Spider-Man 3 boards from a guy with the oh-so-witty screenname, All_Up_In_That_Ass:

I only recently received this report, so I'm unsure as to how accurate it is, but bear with me:

Sam Raimi has been having a serious disagreement with the producers concerning the third 'Spider-Man' movie. They still refuse to increase his salary or share in the profits to an acceptable level, so he intends to strike his revenge by intentionally ruining the third installment. Apparently it will be a musical where Peter gets engaged to Mary-Jane. At the wedding he gets cold feet and dumps her at the altar, eventually finding refuge in the sewer where he hides from her and lives off of rodent feces and his Spider-Man outfit. Harry, pent up with rage, dons the Green Goblin gear and wreaks senseless havoc across New York City. He meets up with the Black Cat and they become partners until he rapes her in public. This is when Peter decides to comes out of hiding and rescue New York in his now partially eaten Spidey costume. The cast is as follows:

Peter Parker - Tom Green
Mary-Jane Watson - Mike Myers in drag
Harry Osborn/Green Goblin II - Matthew Lillard
The Black Cat - Alyson Hannigan
The Token Mayor of NYC - Dave Chappelle
Cletus Kasady the Homicidal Wino - David Boreanaz
Man Aunt Mae Catches Masterbating in Bathroom - Woody Allen


Well...I would like to see Alyson Hannigan as Black Cat...

;)

[MadsenOMC]

To me, that sounds much more entertaining than Spider-Man 2.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Trying to intentionally ruin Spidey , i thought he already did , please don't let me see what happens when he REALLY tries .

[Shockwave]

Trying to intentionally ruin Spidey , i thought he already did , please don't let me see what happens when he REALLY tries .

Somehow i dont think hed ever intentionaly ruin one of the biggest money makers in cinema atm.

Personaly i think that, despite my lack of love for the first installement, hes doing a kick-ass job. After a third viewing it has now de-throned X2 as my number 1 fav comic book movie!

[Tuukka]

I really liked it, but somehow I didn't love it.

Acting was pretty good in general. Molina was excellent and Tobey is the PERFECT Spiderman. He carries this film on his shoulders, as he did with the first one.

Raimi's directing was good in original, but he has greatly improved on part 2. It seems that he is much more confident this time around and makes the film have a more original feel and look to it. Some great set pieces, a touch of visual poetry and a competent handling of drama make this stand apart from most big event movies.

SFX was also improved from the first movie. Spidey is still a bit too CGI at times, but never really enough to be distracting. Doc Ock on the other hand was VERY impressive. Those tentacles rocked!

My problems are with the script. Althought the film has it's heart at right place and has interesting and appealing characters, it's just too heavy handed for my taste. The problem might be that this is a film geared to mass market and especially pre-teens. While the messages and themes of the film were good and even complex at times, they were repeatedly hammered home so many times that the film started to drag.

And I felt the screenwriters didn't trust the intelligence of the audience enough. The problem is not so much that the drama was often corny and cheesy (That comes with the territory, and I'm fine with it), the problem is that the audience could easily understand the motivations of the characters without unnecessary repetition. There was room to cut out maybe 10-15 minutes of drama scenes which were repeating something we already knew.

Also, while the internal conflicts of the characters and their arcs are well done, the plot itself is mediocre. Or maybe even less than that. I think the biggest problem with SM2 is that it sacrifices main story for subplots and characters. And while I was genuinely interested in the characters, especially Peter, the approach to them was too heavy-handed for me to take this movie seriously as a character study.

But regardless of my complaints, this was still a very good film. Stylish, fun, good-intentioned and it has a *great* hero character worth rooting for.

Go Spidey, go!

SM1 7/10
SM2 8/10

[Spidey]

There was one scene that bothered me. The scene where a boy is being robbed and beaten and Peter sees it but just walks away. Now , I know he had issues but the real spider-man would never have walked away from something like that. What if those guys would have killed that boy ? Peter wouldn't had to use his spiderpowers to help the kid , he could have helped him as Peter Parker , maybe by yelling for some cops or something.
I'm sure his uncle Ben wouldn't have walked away.
I don't know....it just bothers me , being a huge fan of the comics.

[Solid Snake]

What a GREAT film.

Spider-man - 5/10

Spider-man 2 - 8/10

Doc Ock is the best, the action sequences were fantastic and the CG was far better than last time. I cant wait for 3.

[DRbeauty]

Originally posted by Spidey
There was one scene that bothered me. The scene where a boy is being robbed and beaten and Peter sees it but just walks away. Now , I know he had issues but the real spider-man would never have walked away from something like that. What if those guys would have killed that boy ? Peter wouldn't had to use his spiderpowers to help the kid , he could have helped him as Peter Parker , maybe by yelling for some cops or something.
I'm sure his uncle Ben wouldn't have walked away.
I don't know....it just bothers me , being a huge fan of the comics.

Yeah that really upset me too. I turned to my friend and said what if they killed that guy. What an asshole. I could never turn away from that.

[Tuukka]

Originally posted by Spidey
There was one scene that bothered me. The scene where a boy is being robbed and beaten and Peter sees it but just walks away. Now , I know he had issues but the real spider-man would never have walked away from something like that. What if those guys would have killed that boy ? Peter wouldn't had to use his spiderpowers to help the kid , he could have helped him as Peter Parker , maybe by yelling for some cops or something.
I'm sure his uncle Ben wouldn't have walked away.
I don't know....it just bothers me , being a huge fan of the comics.

RE:

This is a good example of my problem with the film. In order to push a theme/message the filmmakers opted for EXTREMELY heavy-handed solutions, which offended the intelligence of the audience. Of course Peter wouldn't act that way, it was written into the script just in order to push a point.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Tuukka
RE:

This is a good example of my problem with the film. In order to push a theme/message the filmmakers opted for EXTREMELY heavy-handed solutions, which offended the intelligence of the audience.

Didn't offend my intelligence.

[Tuukka]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
Didn't offend my intelligence.

RE:

It offended my intelligence, because the character in the movies, Peter Parker, wouldn't act that way. The justification for his actions in that scene wasn't beliavable. It wasn't Peter Parker anymore. And worse still, the exactly same plot point was hit with the fire in the house. It showed that Peter is a courageous guys and a man of honor even if he doesn't have the skill of Spiderman, and yet one human died in that fire because Peter didn't act to his responsibility (By being Spiderman).

The scene (fight/robbery in the alley) betrayed the character in order to prove a point. But the there was also a scene (Fire at the house) which proved exactly the same point, but stayed true to the character.

The other scene was well written, the other wasn't.

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by Spidey
There was one scene that bothered me. The scene where a boy is being robbed and beaten and Peter sees it but just walks away. Now , I know he had issues but the real spider-man would never have walked away from something like that. What if those guys would have killed that boy ? Peter wouldn't had to use his spiderpowers to help the kid , he could have helped him as Peter Parker , maybe by yelling for some cops or something.
I'm sure his uncle Ben wouldn't have walked away.
I don't know....it just bothers me , being a huge fan of the comics.

The scene bothered me too but when I thought about it, I thought that the scene represented what he was doing by giving up his powers- there were going to be people who would be dead becasue of his decision. I think it needed to be shown but it was disturbing.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Did anyone notice the references to Godzilla 98 . When Doc was scaling a building in one scene and it shook , and then they showed some people in an office stumbling around a bit . It also sounded very similar to G's footfalls when he would walk through the city . Actually there was a couple of scenes like that .


Or what about the lab incident when Octavius demonstrates his invention for the first time in front of his potential investors . What happened to his wife is almost exactly like a scene in Fulci's The Beyond , no doubt about it .



Also , i couldn't help but think of the Sentinels from The Matrix anytime Doc's mechanical arms would move around , which was all the time , pretty much . They looked exactly like the Sentinels arms in the Matrix trilogy .

[DigYoMan]

I have been a huge Spiderman fan since I was little. Read all the comic books, watched all the cartoons...so of course I was thrilled to hear that they were finally making a movie! I saw the first one in the theatre twice and I liked it but I wasn't all that thrilled about it. I wasn't really disappointed, but I wasn't quite satisfied with it. Well I just saw Spiderman2 for the second time and I am ready to go see it again. My eyes were totally glued to the screen. It completely made up for the dissatisfied feeling I got after watching the first one and then some. It had everything I wanted from it. Great filming and special effects, a darker mood, a deeper look into the mind of Peter Parker (I'll say I wasn't all that impressed with Toby Maguire in the first one but now I would never want to see anyone else play Spiderman!), romance..just everything I would want out of it. I didn't look into the movie too deeply to criticize like I would for a movie like "American Beauty."
It is a comic book movie..it is supposed to be fun and exciting and entertaining and it was all of that so I give it an A+!