Roger Moore OWNED the Bond series!

[Grebdron]

For pure entertainment, Roger Moore was unsurpassed. And Moonraker was easily the best Bond entry.

Discuss.

[bob]

That's a valid opinion (barely), but for people like me, who take the Bond series seriously, Moore, and his films (especially Moonraker and his '80s entries) are both laughable.

[Ted Pikul]

"For pure entertainment, Roger Moore was unsurpassed."

Yes

"And Moonraker was easily the best Bond entry."

No

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by bob
That's a valid opinion (barely), but for people like me, who take the Bond series seriously, Moore, and his films (especially Moonraker and his '80s entries) are both laughable.

How can you take them seriously? I don't think they're SUPPOSED to be taken seriously.

Which is why Moore ruled. He's the only one who appeared to have fun making them.

[Zing!]

Originally posted by Grebdron
How can you take them seriously? I don't think they're SUPPOSED to be taken seriously...

Someone forgot to pass along that memo to Timothy Dalton.

[quoth_the_raven]

Roger Moore was OK, I guess. I enjoyed his more light-hearted stabs at the Bond franchise. Having said that, when he tried to play it more seriously, as in For Your Eyes Only, he seemed to be most successful. The only thing he was really guilty of was carrying on for one film too many and producing the shit awful A View To A Kill.

Moonraker isn't the best bond movie by a long chalk but its not the worst. The first half is fairly enjoyable stuff, and I only really felt sick when they took off into space. Before that though..it was shaping up to be an OK, if not brilliant, Bond movie. It's not the worst either though...Die Another Day and A View to a Kill are easily worse than Moonraker.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven
Die Another Day and A View to a Kill are easily worse than Moonraker.

DAD is not only the worst Bond entry, but hovers near the top of the worst MOVIES I've sat through.

[quoth_the_raven]

I'm not sure it was that bad Greb, I'd love to see your reasoning. Sure, it was a bad Bond movie, but I can think of a whole hell of a lot of movies that are much, much worse.

I await your reasoning on wizened sage ;)

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by Grebdron
For pure entertainment, Roger Moore was unsurpassed. And Moonraker was easily the best Bond entry.

I agree with the first part but not the second. The Spy Who Loved Me, Live and let Die and A View to a Kill are better than Moonraker.

Moore was the best and most entertaining Bond. Brosnan is the worst as far as I'm concerned.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven
I'm not sure it was that bad Greb, I'd love to see your reasoning. Sure, it was a bad Bond movie, but I can think of a whole hell of a lot of movies that are much, much worse.

I await your reasoning on wizened sage ;)

Halle Berry and Pierce Brosnan, for starters.

Bad send up of Korean DMZ.

Oh, and acting and plotline.

But I realize those are tertiary elements of a Bond film.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
A View to a Kill better than Moonraker.




Did you see a different version of A View to a Kill to me? I seem to remember Moore looking and acting tired, a Bond girl with no personality and less acting ability and a really dull plot with little in the way of decent action scenes to pep it up. All that plus Grace Jones *shudder*. oh, and the total waste of Chris Walken...he could have been the greatest bond foe, but he got to be Zorin :( Its also home to the musical choice that makes me cringe more than anything- the song that is played as Bond escapes in the pre-credit scene...what the fucking fuckery was that all about?

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Grebdron

tertiary

Stop using words you don't understand ;)

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven
oh, and the total waste of Chris Walken...he could have been the greatest bond foe, but he got to be Zorin :( that all about?

The soundtrack (A View to a Kill), Zorin and all the action sequences (The Eiffel Tower, firetruck, blimp, horsetrack) make this movie one of my favorites. But not the favorite. Either way, I put it way higher than Moonraker.

Maybe I like it more for sentimental reasons too. It might've been the first one I ever saw. By the way, that song at the pre-credit sequence is a cover of California Girls by The Beach Boys.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven
Stop using words you don't understand ;)

Oops, misspelled.

Turdtiary.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev


Maybe I like it more for sentimental reasons too. It might've been the first one I ever saw. By the way, that song at the pre-credit sequence is a cover of California Girls by The Beach Boys.

yeah I looked it up...annoyingly, I knew what it was, but its late here and I've had a long day...you know how it goes ;)

I can understand the sentimental reasons though. I feel the seem way about Thunderball, which was the first Bond movie I ever saw. Although, I do admit, it doesn't get attacked quite as often AVTAK ;) Probably because its a much better movie than AVTAK :D

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Grebdron


Turdtiary.

Don't lower the tone, or I'll banish you from my realm ;)

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven
Although, I do admit, it doesn't get attacked quite as often AVTAK ;) Probably because its a much better movie than AVTAK :D

I've never understood why AVTAK gets attacked so much. I loathe Thunderball, by the way...

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
I've never understood why AVTAK gets attacked so much. I loathe Thunderball, by the way...

Well I did give you a few above ;) Those are just my perceptions from discussions down the pub with my mate .

By the way, I'm in total agreement with you in one respect, as I can't understand why anyone would loathe Thunderball. Sentimentality in action :)

[Ted Pikul]

I quite like A View To A Kill.

Yes Moore is positively geriatric by that stage.

Yes the Bond girls leave much to be desired. Or not desired in Grace Jones case.

Yes the theme tune is by Durran Durran.

But it's got Christopher Walken as the last truly worthy 007 adversary & a nice valedictory feel especially in Moore's scenes with Patrick MacNee.

John Barry's score is also ace. One of his finest.

[Moviefan1234]

I found Roger Moore decent, we've had better and worse. His best was For Your Eyes Only, but my main beef with Moore is that it seemed for the most part he didn't take the role seriously enough. I'm all for some humor in Bond films, but I feel he went overboard.

[Ted Pikul]

Moore was basically playing himself which was a good idea because he stamped his personality on the part.

Maybe the tailor's dummy Pierce Brosnan should take note before it's too late.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
but my main beef with Moore is that it seemed for the most part he didn't take the role seriously enough. I'm all for some humor in Bond films, but I feel he went overboard.

Which is what made him good, IMO.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Ted Pikul


But it's got Christopher Walken as the last truly worthy 007 adversary & a nice valedictory feel especially in Moore's scenes with Patrick MacNee.




Last truly worthy? I thought Sanchez in LTK was a much better foe, perhaps because his scheme was a little more down to earth and because he always came off as being that little more savage. Elliot Carver was more interesting as well...but then I've already stated I find media manipulation as a theme to be strangely interesting.

Walken was wasted on Zorin. Great actor, but a limited character. Walken tried his best, but he couldn't save it. Which is a real shame.

Quite liked the Duran Duran track though ;)



His best was For Your Eyes Only, but my main beef with Moore is that it seemed for the most part he didn't take the role seriously enough. I'm all for some humor in Bond films, but I feel he went overboard.

Thats why you liked FYEO then...it really cut back on the humour. I do agree with you though...it was the biggest weakness of Moore as Bond...I'm all for humour, but again, as a matter of taste, I prefer it a bit darker...The Brosnan movies seem to have the right mix of action, seriousness and humour.

[Duke Nukem]

Originally posted by Grebdron
For pure entertainment, Roger Moore was unsurpassed. And Moonraker was easily the best Bond entry.

Discuss.

You are not alone, Greb. I too prefer Roger Moore as THE James Bond, and find "Moonraker" to be the best Bond film.

People complain that Moore's Bond films were too tounge-and-cheek. When was James Bond not tounge-and-cheek? If you seriously look at each James Bond, they aren't believable for a second, even if ones like "For Your Eyes Only" were more serious.

For example, here is what Roger Moore has to say about the James Bond series (along the lines of this): "The James Bond series is very outrageous, very ridiculous. James Bond is a secret agent, yet everyone knows he's a secret agent. He could go into any bar, and the bartender would know he'd want a martini, shaken, not stirred."

That's why he took the role less seriously than Sean Connery when he took over, and that's why he was the best Bond: because, he realized how truyly outrageous and ridiculous the James Bond films are. I think a lot of die hard Sean Connery fans are unable to come to terms to this factor , and that's why they seem to hate "Moonraker" so much.

I generally enjoy every Roger Moore Bond film. I like all of them in their own ways. Except "The Man With Golden Gun." I haven't seen that one yet.

[Ted Pikul]

"I thought Sanchez in LTK was a much better foe"

Sanchez was a stock villain. He wouldn't have looked out of place in an episode of The A Team.

"Elliot Carver was more interesting as well"

Maybe as a case study for a shrink. As a Bond villain he couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
You are not alone, Greb. I too prefer Roger Moore as THE James Bond, and find "Moonraker" to be the best Bond film.

People complain that Moore's Bond films were too tounge-and-cheek. When was James Bond not tounge-and-cheek? If you seriously look at each James Bond, they aren't believable for a second, even if ones like "For Your Eyes Only" were more serious.

For example, here is what Roger Moore has to say about the James Bond series (along the lines of this): "The James Bond series is very outrageous, very ridiculous. James Bond is a secret agent, yet everyone knows he's a secret agent. He could go into any bar, and the bartender would know he'd want a martini, shaken, not stirred."

That's why he took the role less seriously than Sean Connery when he took over, and that's why he was the best Bond: because, he realized how truyly outrageous and ridiculous the James Bond films are. I think a lot of die hard Sean Connery fans are unable to come to terms to this factor , and that's why they seem to hate "Moonraker" so much.

I generally enjoy every Roger Moore Bond film. I like all of them in their own ways. Except "The Man With Golden Gun." I haven't seen that one yet.

Wow. Now there's a man of taste.;)

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Ted Pikul


Maybe as a case study for a shrink. .

But thats what was so damn appealing!

[bob]

I think Moore definitely is having fun, but Connery, who (I thought) most schmoes think is the best Bond, has wit and elegance in the role to make his fun, not plain buffoonery like Moore.

Even the screenwriters respected Moore less. I mean, he almost got killed by someone's ass in The Man With a Golden Gun.

[Horror_Buddy]

Roger Moore movies 3 best and worsts

Bests:

1. Great action scenes

2. Good story lines

3. Good opening sequences


Worsts:

1. Dumb bond girls

2. Bad villains

3. looked the most different from sean

None of it was his fault

Best movies for Rog:

1. That Spy who Loved me

2. Live and Let Die

3. For Your Eyes only

4. A View to A Kill

5. Octopussy

6. The Man with the Golden Gun

and what seems to be everybodys favorite:

7. Moonraker