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TheDeadWalk
06-30-2004, 03:01 AM
Seriously.

When watching the original not too long ago, as well as Freddy Vs. Jason I was reminded of this. For a brief period in the film, the story took focus, and many scenes were focused on speculation, parental manipulation, as well as theories and hypotheses of what was going on.

The latter films tended to go the way of tits, gore, and corny Freddy one-liners with Krueger doing stupid shit.

I was really getting into the vibe of F Vs. J when they took a few time outs and went to the sanitarium and developed a little there, and the scene with Laurie and her father. Then the film got stupid. I actually was impressed by the thought that Lori's father was the doctor from part three, but after looking it up on IMDB, I found that I was wrong for believing they would use the brain power to do this. At least they got the hypnocil shit going.

But seriously again, slow the shit down. Take time to tell the story, give us a few good creep outs and scares before things get into the realm of 'Ultra-Violent'. This popcorn shit needs to go, feed it to the birds. Same with Friday the 13th. For years, we were led with stalking and small scares while being led to a big finale. Now it's 'do some stereotypical pot smoking and drinking, and when that gets boring, cue in the guy with the mask and let him cut off someone's head.'

As said by a friend of mine, its as if these future filmmakers just seem to have never seen a Freddy or Jason movie, but know those basic stereotypes with the films and intend to make films on those stereotypes alone.

Mog
06-30-2004, 11:34 AM
I agree. I once read a long time ago, back when Freddy vs. Jason was in pre-production hell (meaning they couldn't decide on which script to use), I saw a synopsis of a script that brought the protagonists of Jason Goes to Hell and Alice and Jacob together. Jason was darker, and so was Freddy. Freddy was supposed to be like his New Nightmare persona, which New Line KEPT ON ASSURING US that we would see in this movie. But instead we got a mix of old school Freddy, and cartoony Freddy...honestly the only time I saw old school Freddy was during the opening credits and at the end when he demon'd out (Which, I have to admit, was pretty freakin' cool).

Not a huge Jason fan. They just never intrigued me like Freddy's movies did. Even if some of them were cartoony, they kind of grew on me. But I guess if they wanted to go in the way of the old school, like you're saying, I think a good way to go (more visually, at least) would be to ::gulp:: ditch the hockey mask and put the bag over his head. ::Awaits Jason fan thrashing::




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Mog

TheDeadWalk
06-30-2004, 07:44 PM
I wouldn't prefer the bag.

But what I would do for him, is some of his POV encounters stalking, then evolve to seeing him from behind, his shoulders, and then when you see the front of the mask, it MEANS something.

With Freddy, give me some darkness, and some shadows. Maybe an eerie one liner 'You've got the body, I've got the brain' to let his main victim know he's after them, and then hell... some good kills with maybe not even fully showing him.

Save the appearance and utilize it.

IamNoOne666
07-01-2004, 03:29 PM
I think if Wes Craven made a sequel to new nightmare that would be cool. The only ones I thought were great are 1 and New nightmare the other ones I enjoy. And before I'm done, just in case some of you don't already have it FYE just marked down their NOES vhs boxset to $20, and if thats not a deal I don't know what is.

pyscho dude
07-02-2004, 03:05 PM
Freddy VS Jason was a dissapointment.

GoldenGhost
07-07-2004, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
Save the appearance and utilize it.

Bravo! I think this is what makes the first 'Nightmare' so special. The menacing shadows, the glimpses, the description of this hideous man. It leaves alot to the imagination and we all know our imaginations can take a long walk. It's a shame that there's only a limited amount of chaps in H'wood who know this device works, it's the best method you can use for a horror film. I love to visualise Freddy as the "man in the shadows" that Craven made him out to be in the first entry. The first 25-or-so minutes still turns me to stone (not my penis).

ERIN_LoJ
07-08-2004, 07:49 PM
Yes but can the clock be turned back? I doubt it. After they forced Freddy into the limelight and have everyone used to the way he is now...doubt they'd have the common sense to go back since they went forward in the first place :confused:

SpacePuppet
07-24-2004, 03:56 PM
Freddy vs Jason was good, although it did lack scares, it had some great slice & dice, it wasn't a dissapointment at all.

Cronos
07-28-2004, 07:08 AM
i agree, Freddy had a lot of potential as a genuinly creepy character but they ruined it with one liners and all the stupid things he did, but i dont think they'll change him, it would be great if they did but because of what they did to him they may feel people will be disappointed if they made his character darker

Bear
08-02-2004, 02:21 AM
I like the Nightmares just the way they are, except for New Nightmare. There is just no excuse for that shitty twist on the series.

Bear
08-02-2004, 02:21 AM
Really the only scary ones are 1&2. They freaked me out when I was a little kid.

Horror_Buddy
08-03-2004, 09:16 PM
They need to stay dark and scary. I'm not saying that I don'y like thye one liners but they need to go back to the scary and interesting story lines.


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teenkiller
03-25-2007, 03:01 PM
FREDDY just needs to be evil again. No more buffoonery like in Parts 5 and 6. He needs to talk less and when he does speak it must actually mean something. They did a decent job of trying to bring him more back to his old self in FREDDY vs JASON but they need to take it further. Make the audience HATE FREDDY again and root for the good guys like Parts 1, 3, and even 4. Have a nice small group of core characters. Maybe 5 or 6 kids for FREDDY to pick on. No need for a huge cast of characters like the FRIDAY series. Fewer characters means more character development. Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.