Hey Michael Moore! You may be right but you're boring me, shut your pie-hole already.

[Indiana Sev]

Yes, 'tis a political rant.

I'm getting terribly bored by Michael Moore and his self-righteous yap-yapping. I don't even care anymore if he's right or wrong or half-right or half an idiot. ;) He's so over-exposed that I just automatically tune out when I see his name or hear him blabbing. The thing is, I mostly agree with what he stands for I'm just sick and tired of the man and his voice at this point.

So, I was wondering if there are any politicians and/or actors out there that you just tune out because you just can't stand them anymore or can't take them seriously; regardless if you agree with their views or not?

You know, people like Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Richard Gere, The Beastie Boys, etc...

[Thrizzle]

Dennis Miller. The man went from unfunny, to unfunny and INSANE.

[Jim H]

Originally posted by Thrizzle
Dennis Miller. The man went from unfunny, to unfunny and INSANE.

I thought he went from funny to unfunny and insane. His schtick went way downhill around 9/11. It was already going downhill before then, but when he became Bush's lapdog, it was over.

[Tom Samborski]

John Kerry

He is so dull, it actually gets annoying after awhile. The Democrats should've picked a candidate who actually has a colourful personality. It's actually easier to watch Bush on T.V just so I can laugh my ass off at the constant lies coming out of his mouth.


Toby Keith

Egotistical asshole who tried to score cheap points off 9/11 with his "Bomb the Taliban" songs.

[Scarface98.9]

I think Bush is a terrible president, but I love hearing him talk due to his constant mispronounciation of words and his lack of confidence.

Who I can't stand though, is Condoleeza Rice. To me, she's the Omarossa of the White House

[bob]

I never thought I'd here anyone call Michael Moore boring....but I can see where you're coming from.

[SLAW]

George W. Bush

Bill O'reiley

Sean Hannity

PS: the only right-winger I really love is Michael Savage. He's just such an idiot and so angry, he's so damm hilarious. :D

[chasingbanky]

Originally posted by bob
I never thought I'd here anyone call Michael Moore boring....but I can see where you're coming from.


Yea...He's not boring just outrageously annoying..... I just can't stand him....Right, or wrong he bugs the hella outta me....Maybe if he didn't spend all his free time eating, and bitching he'd be tolerable, but that seems like all he does.

[SLAW]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
Yes, 'tis a political rant.

I'm getting terribly bored by Michael Moore and his self-righteous yap-yapping. I don't even care anymore if he's right or wrong or half-right or half an idiot. ;) He's so over-exposed that I just automatically tune out when I see his name or hear him blabbing. The thing is, I mostly agree with what he stands for I'm just sick and tired of the man and his voice at this point.


Not all of that is his fault per-se. The man is fighting the good fight and I will always respect and admire that.

[Jim H]

Originally posted by SLAW
George W. Bush

Bill O'reiley

Sean Hannity

PS: the only right-winger I really love is Michael Savage. He's just such an idiot and so angry, he's so damm hilarious. :D

I've thought about starting a thread about right-wing pundits/commentators. The level of venom they spew is without equal or equivalent on the left (within the mainstream, of course). I've been curious why. I'm also curious as to why they're popular. I mean, Hannity's recent book draws a direct comparison between liberalism and terrorism in the TITLE OF THE BOOK.

[JohnTheHenchman]

I fail to see how he equates liberalism to terrorism. Just because you use words in a title does not mean they are all equal to each other.

[Jim H]

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
I fail to see how he equates liberalism to terrorism. Just because you use words in a title does not mean they are all equal to each other.

Deliver Us from Evil : Defeating Terrorism, Despotism, and Liberalism

First, he says "Deliver Us From Evil". This is followed by a semi-colon. Then he lists terrorism, despotism, and liberalism - and has the word "Defeating" preceding them. This draws a direct comparison between the three, and also labels the three as evil.

I thought it was incredibly obvious. The level of 'evil' in each of those concepts is not mentioned, just that they *are* evil.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by SLAW
Bill O'Reilly

PS: the only right-winger I really love is Michael Savage. He's just such an idiot and so angry, he's so damm hilarious. :D

Bill O'Reilly isn't Right-wing. I read some post where you said you had heard that he was a registered Republican, but I just don't believe it. I'm not saying you're lying on purpose, you're just reporting what you heard, but I think whatever source you got that from is faulty.


As for Moore, I really don't like his ego, but I enjoy his docs.

[Thrizzle]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Bill O'Reilly isn't Right-wing. I read some post where you said you had heard that he was a registered Republican, but I just don't believe it. I'm not saying you're lying on purpose, you're just reporting what you heard, but I think whatever source you got that from is faulty.

I watch O'Reilly now and again for the humor, and i gotta say, he is a card carrying Republican Right-winger. Everything he says, does, writes, publishes, whatever, is conservative. He supports the GOP on every major issue, hates most if not all liberal politicians, and believes religion is the solution to all of our problems.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by SLAW
The man is fighting the good fight and I will always respect and admire that.

I can respect him for fighting the good fight but I find his methods extremely obnoxious.

If I was one of the senators that he ambushed in Fahrenheit 9/11 with that request to sign up their kin to the army, I'd slap him right there on the spot.

What if one of their children has cancer and that's why they're not signed on to fight, huh? I was hoping one of the senators laid that bombshell on Moore just to see what Moore's response would be. Whatever his response, it sure as hell wouldn't find its way into his film. And why not go to the kids themselves instead of approaching the parents? I guess they're not high profile enough...

I also thought his attack on Dick Clark was uncalled for in Bowling for Columbine. A perfect example of Michael Moore overkill. I liked Bowling for Columbine a lot but little things like that ruined it a little.

He may have good intentions that I mostly agree with but I find him to be a very unlikeable person and I find his tactics lame, childish and unappealing.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by Thrizzle
he is a card carrying Republican Right-winger.


I'd like to see proof of that.

Originally posted by Thrizzle
Everything he says, does, writes, publishes, whatever, is conservative. He supports the GOP on every major issue, hates most if not all liberal politicians, and believes religion is the solution to all of our problems.


*sigh*. No, you see him as Conservative because you're on the left. I live in a very Conservative area, Texas, and most people I know here can't tolerate the guy because he's "too liberal"!! Now here on these forums, I see people bash him because he's "too conservative". He gets flak from both sides for not being on their side, he's truly a down-the-middle guy, a moderate.
And you point out SOME issues that he's on the right, there's also SOME that he's on the left, just because he has a few conservative qualities doesn't make him conservative, because he also has leftist qualities. This makes him balanced.

[SLAW]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
I can respect him for fighting the good fight but I find his methods extremely obnoxious.

If I was one of the senators that he ambushed in Fahrenheit 9/11 with that request to sign up their kin to the army, I'd slap him right there on the spot.

What if one of their children has cancer and that's why they're not signed on to fight, huh? I was hoping one of the senators laid that bombshell on Moore just to see what Moore's response would be. Whatever his response, it sure as hell wouldn't find its way into his film. And why not go to the kids themselves instead of approaching the parents? I guess they're not high profile enough...

The point made is that many people (including members of congress) support this war but are absolutely unwilling to sacrifice anything for it. The ultimate question being, are you willing to lose your child for the cause in Iraq? Just as long as it's poor strangers dying, it's all good.

I also thought his attack on Dick Clark was uncalled for in Bowling for Columbine. A perfect example of Michael Moore overkill. I liked Bowling for Columbine a lot but little things like that ruined it a little.

There was no attack on Clark. He asked a question and he bugged out. He just made himself look bad.

He may have good intentions that I mostly agree with but I find him to be a very unlikeable person and I find his tactics lame, childish and unappealing.

I simply just disagree there, my man. Gotta be entertaining and aggressive.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by SLAW
George W. Bush

Bill O'reiley

Sean Hannity

PS: the only right-winger I really love is Michael Savage. He's just such an idiot and so angry, he's so damm hilarious. :D

Add in Ann Coulter and you're got yourself a Royal Flush.



The main reason I can't stand the aforementioned, except for Bush, is whenever they talk they all sound like they were beaten up by liberals when they were kids. Dude, take a valium and get some therapy or find a punching bag for all that post-traumatic stress. Geez!

They sound too bitter to even listen to seriously. Like some girl or guy ranting about their ex who just broke up with them.


Oh and just recently, the chairman for the Democratic National Committee, something McAuliffe. He's like a cheerleader with ADD who got off the ritalin!!!

[SLAW]

I can't say I mind Ann that much. It's usually when we wake up in bed the next morning and she opens her mouth to talk is when she gets to me. ;)

Nah, she's just too silly to dislike for me.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by SLAW
The point made is that many people (including members of congress/senators) support this war but are absolutely unwilling to sacrifice anything for it. Just as long as it's poor strangers dying, it's all good.

It's the decision of their offspring whether or not they want to join the war or not, not their parents (the members of congress). Therefore it's unfair to question the members in the first place. It's not up to the parents to sacrifice their children's lives. It's up to the children.


There was no attack on Clark. He asked a question and he bugged out. He just made himself look bad.

Yeah, but I don't see why Clark had to be questioned in the first place. Being the head of an organization, it's impossible to know all the little goings-on that are happening. Especially something as specific as what Moore asked. Almost anybody will look stupid if you just ambush them out of the blue without giving them a chance to look into the matter. There are people below Clark in that organization that were more directly knowledgeable and responsible for what happened to that lady than Clark. He hires these people and although he is responsible you can't expect him to know right off what the hell Moore is blabbing about. But again, Dick Clark is a bigger name and more likely to cause a stir when audiences see him squirm onscreen. I thought it was very low and lost respect for Moore for approaching it that way.

Fuck, if I had a meeting to go and some asshole came up to me with a question out of the blue and from the street that needed a lot of time and attention I wouldn't give him my time even if I was in the right and could explain it. That's not the way you do things. Make an appointment and if Clark still refuses to talk to you, then you may have a point and you can make your case.

But Moore made Clark look like the world's biggest asshole because Clark didn't know straight away what Michael was talking about and he had somewhere to go.

I simply just disagree there, my man. Gotta be entertaining and aggressive.

That's fine, but not at the expense of others. Especially when these people are approached out of blue. I'm sure if these people had time to prepare themselves they could nail Moore with a few of his questions. Of course, Moore would leave those out of his documentary. God forbid, we should see him squirm or be put in his place once or twice.

See, the Heston thing was okay because Heston knew about the interview and sort of put himself in the position to be interviewed.

[SLAW]

I'm not going to pretend that this guy is a saint and everything he says or does is somekind of absolute truth, but i happen to find all his movies very entertaining, thought provoking, funny, and important. He looks like he does in fact get over zealous (have no idea if that remotely spelled right), but he's passionate. Even people closest to me who share my political philosophy don't like certain things about his last two movies, I just disagree.

Absolutely it's a person's own responsibility whether or not they want to join a war effort, but I'd sure as shit hate the idea of anyone I know going to this war. I don't think most family members would feel honorable losing their child for this war. Their choice of course, but I think it's the responsilbility of the nation as well make sure we don't have people dying for nothing. Hope that makes sense.

Just looked at the Clark part in the film again, guy makes a total ass of himself. It's not his fault anybody dies, but then again it's nobody's fault. He refused to even talk. Such suppressed contiencess these days. Something guilty was on that guy's face, what I don't know.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by SLAW
but I happen to find all his movies very entertaining, thought provoking, funny, and important.

I agree with that, I just think the films and Moore would have more credibilty if they weren't hampered by Michael ambushing people instead of trying to legitimately get a sit-down interview with them (like he tried to do in Roger & Me). You know, make it a level playing field. Trust me, people look even more guilty when they refuse an interview rather then when they're blind-sided on the street.

Absolutely it's a person's own responsibility whether or not they want to join a war effort

Exactly. Which is why Moore should never have approached those senators on the streets. Your country may sometimes fuck up when sending you into battle (Vietnam, a good point can be made about Iraq) but when you sign up to the army it's your decision and you know the consequences. It's not up to you to decide whether or not the decision is the right one. If you don't like things being left up to chance (especially your life) then don't join the army. Simple as that. Vietnam was unfair because people were drafted and had no choice.

Just look at the Clark part in the film again, guy makes a total ass of himself. He refused to even talk. Something guilty was on that guy's face, what I don't know.

Poor Dick Clark. :D The thing is, Clark doesn't owe Michael Moore anything. He is not obliged to stop his schedule and satisfy some guy who is throwing questions at him out of the blue. Maybe he wants to look into the matter more before he takes a stand right away and says something in the heat of the moment that will make him look even stupider and guiltier. Clark looked guilty because anyone will look guilty in that situation, closing the door and driving off. Haven't you ever watched 60 minutes? :D

[Thrizzle]

I think the main point Moore was making in asking Congress members to get their kids to sign up was this:

The Congress and Senate are representitive bodies of the US. The problem is, out of these 500+ members, only 1 or 2 have children in the army, who would actually be sent to Iraq. You have the rich sending the poor to war. How can these people make the decision to go to war when they will lose nothing personally. They aren't really a representative of the people, they have nothing in common with the people.

And Richocet, let me watch his show tonight. I'll post some solid evidence :D .

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by Thrizzle
You have the rich sending the poor to war. How can these people make the decision to go to war when they will lose nothing personally. They aren't really a representative of the people, they have nothing in common with the people.

All very true but it's all always been like that and always will be.

I don't see why he put that in his documentary because even if the war in Iraq was worthy and right there would still be only 2 or 3 children of senate members involved. That wouldn't change.

Right?

So basically, he just wanted to pull a "Moore" again and blind-side people out of nowhere just so he could look daring and brave and righteous.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by electriclite
Add in Ann Coulter and you're got yourself a Royal Flush.



The main reason I can't stand the aforementioned, except for Bush, is whenever they talk they all sound like they were beaten up by liberals when they were kids. Dude, take a valium and get some therapy or find a punching bag for all that post-traumatic stress. Geez!

They sound too bitter to even listen to seriously. Like some girl or guy ranting about their ex who just broke up with them.


Oh and just recently, the chairman for the Democratic National Committee, something McAuliffe. He's like a cheerleader with ADD who got off the ritalin!!!

http://a9.g.akamai.net/7/9/8082/v001/www.democrats.org/images/hq/mcauliffe_sm.gif

Ah yes, Scary Terry. This guy is fucking insane to a tee. He is worse than a cheerleader - he's a cheerleader without sex appeal. Good God! This guy is exactly the reason I am embarrassed to affiliate myself with any political party - Florida doesn't allow voting in the primaries by independents, or I'd stay that way. Good thing I'm outta here in 2 months though. Hahaha.

However, the most annoying politician to me is straight up The Big W. George Bush is annoying beyond repair. And I was in love with the guy for about a year after 9/11 - His rhetoric was amusing, and he seemed to be on the right track. Somewhere along the way, he went into a fucking haze and just stopped making sense. He became contradiction after contradiction, and frankly I felt like he just stopped caring. To hear him talk to Mexican-Americans is fucking embarrassing. He is so patronizing. Any Mexican person he meets, he's grins: "Hola, Amigo!" Sorry, but that is side-by-side with Royal Tenenbaum saying, "What's up, my man?"

It goes on and on. Has anyone heard his BBQ ribs Q & A? It's a prime example of how out of touch he's become.

[Thrizzle]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
I don't see why he put that in his documentary because even if the war in Iraq was worthy and right there would still be only 2 or 3 children of senate members involved. That wouldn't change.


Yea it's true and it's a shame, thats why i'll never fight in the military.......unless its absolutly necessary.

[Jim H]

I'd like to see proof of that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A62722-2000Dec12?language=printer

He claims it was a clerical error, but until recently he was a registered republican. There's actually a scan that makes his claim it was an "error" dubious.. I've seen it online, where he checked "Republican" and filled out his card.

Regardless of his views, he's a gigantic unentertaining asshole. I don't know why he's popular.

[Thrizzle]

On O'Reilly:

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
I'd like to see proof of that.

He gets flak from both sides for not being on their side, he's truly a down-the-middle guy, a moderate.


Well on tonights show (July 6th), the show consisted of him listing Kerry and Edwards pitfalls, and having on guests who supported that view. Then he suggested boycotting Canada, and blasted the CBC for being liberal. Then he had on his good friend Newt Gingrich, and the two talked about how much better Cheney is over Edwards. The two agreed that Edwards is a quote, "Vaudville act" and Cheney quote, "knows politics". Oh, but then he left it up to the viewer to make the right pick. What a fair guy.

[Lynn7]

I am a conservative but I don't really care for him either. He doen'st let his guests talk a lot of the time which drives me nuts and he lectures them all the time. I will see who is on his show and if it sounds like someone interesting I will watch that segment. He does tend to have on guests that others might not have on. and as I've said before I do respect that he took on Jesse jackson when no one else would-that took courage.

[jeo4]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
Yes, 'tis a political rant.

I'm getting terribly bored by Michael Moore and his self-righteous yap-yapping. I don't even care anymore if he's right or wrong or half-right or half an idiot. ;) He's so over-exposed that I just automatically tune out when I see his name or hear him blabbing. The thing is, I mostly agree with what he stands for I'm just sick and tired of the man and his voice at this point.

So, I was wondering if there are any politicians and/or actors out there that you just tune out because you just can't stand them anymore or can't take them seriously; regardless if you agree with their views or not?

You know, people like Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Richard Gere, The Beastie Boys, etc...

Hell, the list above and add to it:

Rush Limbaugh
The Dixie Chicks
Bill O'Reilly
Tim Robbins
Eddie Vedder
Madonna
Martin Sheen
Anyone involved in PETA

The list goes on and on. On the other side of the coin, I have a certain degree of respect for U2. They make a point without driving it into the ground or irritating those around them. And unlike those listed above, they seem to have some facts to back up what they are saying.

[BubbaStrangelove]

one thing that separates U2 is that they actually started off being political. -- A big contrast to say, Madonna or the Dixie Chicks.

[Lynn7]

I couldn't think of anyone I was sick of hearing from until Madonna was mentioned. And I can't say that I'm sick of hearing from her becasue I do enjoy seeing her interviewed but if anyone is in no place to lecture to others it is her. Every few years she has another revelation to share with the public. I'd prefer it if she worked on her views for about 10 years and then shared it with us.

At least I think she is being more honest. She used to say she didn't care about what people thought of her and now she says she really does get hurt feelings. That is growth. I also admire the way she seems to be raising her kids. And she also seems attentive to her marriage. but when she starts to lecture it sounds so condescending. She says she wants people to dress like Britney Spears but to think like her. OK.....whatever.

[Jim H]

Originally posted by Lynn7
I couldn't think of anyone I was sick of hearing from until Madonna was mentioned. And I can't say that I'm sick of hearing from her becasue I do enjoy seeing her interviewed but if anyone is in no place to lecture to others it is her. Every few years she has another revelation to share with the public. I'd prefer it if she worked on her views for about 10 years and then shared it with us.

It's Esther now :D

[electriclite]

Originally posted by Jim H
It's Esther now :D



Oh, could you please explain to me where that is coming from?

All of a sudden I heard she wants to be called Esther now. Please someone direct me as to why, beside the usual "She's out of her fucking gourd" explanation.

Thanks.

[Lynn7]

Esther is Madonna's Kaballah name and it is from the bible. I think she said that since her mother died young from cancer (and she was named after her) she feels the name Esther has the positive energy she would like to associate with or something like that.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by Lynn7
Esther is Madonna's Kaballah name and it is from the bible. I think she said that since her mother died young from cancer (and she was named after her) she feels the name Esther has the positive energy she would like to associate with or something like that.


OY!:rolleyes:

[Jim H]

Originally posted by electriclite
OY!:rolleyes:

In other words, she's out of her fucking gourd.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by Jim H
In other words, she's out of her fucking gourd.

I figured that out when she started faking a British accent in her TV interviews. :D