Joe Shumacher did NOT ruin Batman

[ANavissi500]

I am sick of hearing "Joel Shumacher destroyed the Batman movies." "It's all Joel Shumacher's fault." Yada yada yada. The fact of the matter is that Batman Forever was leaps and bounds the best film in the Batman series and Val Kilmer in Batman Forever was the best Batman. (Michael Keaton was like the worst possible choice to play the Caped Crusader.) Even the fourth installment, Batman and Robin was not nearly as bad as everyone on the boards says it was. Uma Thurman was fantastic as Poison Ivy. I would probably watch it over Batman Returns with the whole Catwoman debacle and more of Michael Keaton. So I just thought I would make this little post to say that I am glad Joel Shumacher had a hand in some of the Batman films. He did the best job so give credit where credit is due. Who's with me?

[AmunRaTRON]

can i get some of what you're smoking?

[TheDeadWalk]

I'm not. I remember Batman Forever being ok, though the title of it was stupid.

Batman & Robin? Worst film adaptation, EVER.

suck suck suck suck suck suck suck.

suck.

It was all premise, and zero execution on top of mondo retardism. The film seemed like it was for kids with ADHD that couldn't keep an attention span for more than 10 minutes so they needed some sort of flashy retardism to glow in their eye.

Or maybe it was just the sequel to Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Who knows.

[Jon Lyrik]

Batman & Robin is the worst movie I've ever seen. Schumacher is hack to me, he turned the dark and brooding world of Batman into a garish homoerotic pseudo-extravaganza. And the writing...*shudder*

*swings fist in the air* I'll never forgive you, Schumacher! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!

Oh, and I also despise Batman Forever. Not as abominable as Batman & Robin, but still a muddled mess. All the flashing green almost gave me a fucking seizure, and Val Kilmer isn't half the Batman Keaton was.

[AmunRaTRON]

what little defense i can give to the guy is that they did cut alot out of batman forever. around two hours to be accurate. so what we saw was variably less of the shit that we would have seen. howevfer batman and robin is shit. while i dont think that it had anything to do with him being hay and turning it into a
"homoerotic psuedo extraviganza" as you said. i just think that he was more than far from in touch with the batman mythos and what it was all about. hmmm i wonder though about the casting issuse though. i do think that givin the proper script kilmer could have been a better batman than keaton. HOWEVER let's remember that keaton wasnt givin much to work with on an emotional lever either (what with his charecter and such. you have to admit that keaton was a bit stiff when it came to being bruce.

[KcMsterpce]

I loved Keaton's Bruce Wayne/Batman.
He played it low key, but I felt that he was always brimming with a subdued energy and purpose. He was a little stiff, but I would define it more as 'introverted'. What's even cooler is that Keaton's dry humor was so subtle, that sometimes he says things in just the right way that I find it amusing, without understanding an obvious purpose behind why I think it's funny.

George Clooney is not to blame for the Batman & Robin fiasco. Clooney could have been a really cool Batman, if he was in a cool movie.

I found Batman Forever to be a pretty radical change from the first two, and I didn't like it. I hate the injustice they brought to Two-Face (WHY have him use a coin if HE MAKES HIS OWN DECISION to kill someone no matter what? BAAAAH! I must shush now!), feel that Val Kilmer isn't a good BRUCE WAYNE (but perhaps a different Batman could have worked for him ;)), and you could see the start of Schumacher turning Batman into a joke, instead of a force to be reckoned with.

I think that Batman & Robin is one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my entire life. It is ugly, loud, badly written, horribly acted and an embarassment to filmmaking, and all the actors who contributed to it. I wish it never existed. I hate this movie so much, that I can barely put it into words.
Subtle? Schumacher doesn't know the meaning of the word 'subtle'. Unless, by 'subtle', you mean 'obnoxious', then yes, Schumacher is subtle.

Every time I think about Batman & Robin, I feel like punching the person sitting next to me. In the face. As hard as I can.

My feelings for Batman & Robin are very strong. Almost religious in nature. It is almost frightening how strong my condemnation of this film is.

So, I guess that means that I have to disagree with you on this rant.

Yeah, I disagree.

[Kidsilk]

Batman and Batman Returns are both excellent films. Batman Forever is decent and I don't hate it, but I do hate Batman and Robin.

[BorderEevilIII]

When Shumacher brought us Batman Forever, I liked it. I think.....
It's been awhile since I have seen it. :D As for Batman & Robin, I dunno what happen here... I dunno if it was the STORY or those awfully way too GAY looking costumes killed the movie IMO.

[Scarface98.9]

I don't think Schumacher completely fucked up the franchise, given that his main screenwriter, Akiva Goldsman, ain't exactly the best guy around to write a superhero movie, oscar or not. If you really look at the script, you could see they never were heading in the right direction

[The Heart Collector]

No one's with you, dude. While Batman Forever is not a bad film per se, Batman & Robin just plain sucks ass.

[Labbla]

Yeah Batman and Robin blows goats. But forever was OK. They ruined Two-Face...

[AmunRaTRON]

yes
the charecter of two face was wonderfully fucked up on film that we can all agree on. i think that one of the main problems with the early series is that they failed to explore things that would have built up the freanchise. Why on earth did they not continue the story line between batman and catwoman? on film if handled properly it could have been breath taking. however we were stuck with the "let's kill a new prominate batman villian each movie untill we run out" route.

let's look at it this way:

ok they killed of the joker in the first film. unforgivable. the joker was such a pivitol charecter in the batman series that killing him off in the fist film was just the wrong thing to do. it closed soooooo many doors.

Batman returns: ok the penguin and catwoman. eh....i dont really mind killing of the penguin but not following batman returns up with at least a subplot in the third film that would explore at the very least the cat and mouse game that catwoman and batman played out on the streets of gotham!?! come on!
there was sooo much that could have been done with that.

now batman forever hmmm...honostly i have mixed feelings.. for one i dont mind the intro to robin it was good because of one reason. the way i see it u could use batman forever as a stepping stone to the fourth batman film as it would have been had it not been fucked up. example:

in batman and robin batman and robin go through some problems. blah blah blah. that is to say blah blah blah to what happend in batman and robin. what should have been done. or what i would have done would be to go into the fourth batman film with Dick greyson having left batman and already pursuing his own superhero career. At this point the only tiny peice of mythology i would change is to skip jason todd and go directly tim Tim drake. so now the problems that Dick greyson has with batman become fuled even more by the fact that he has replaced him with someone half his age. get my drift?

i dunno that just my take on things . like i said they just threw away catwoman which pissed me off. but the third and fourth films could have been defining. what do you think? am i right or wrong? or better yet, what would u have done?

[Tweek]

Batman and robin i hate.

I think that movie alone hurt my retinas.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

You're kidding me right? Schumacher killed the series.

An example:

Random Gotham City Citizen: "That's Batman! He protects us!"

-Batman and Robin

:rolleyes:

You want cheese, you got it. It was also his idea to put nipples and abs on the suits. Batman doesn't need gay undertones.

I do agree that Val was a good Batman, but I disagree about the Keaton comments. He was, above all, the best choice. His performance in the first two films makes the films even more enjoyable (and Jack Nicholson gets plenty of props in that department too).

[Scarface98.9]

Originally posted by AmunRaTRON
yes
the charecter of two face was wonderfully fucked up on film that we can all agree on. i think that one of the main problems with the early series is that they failed to explore things that would have built up the freanchise. Why on earth did they not continue the story line between batman and catwoman? on film if handled properly it could have been breath taking. however we were stuck with the "let's kill a new prominate batman villian each movie untill we run out" route.


Why continue it? There's not really much more to do with the story, and ended better the way it was. Bruce lost the potential love of his life, and had something to remember her by (the cat), and to bring her back would've been cheap and gone against the decent ending they had in the second

[Buck Turgidson]

I despise all four of them, myself.

You can't ruin shit.

[adamjohnson]

I HATE HATE HATE the old woman in BF and B&R. Shes a random Gotham citizen, but soooo annoying!

"OHHHHH! Theeeeers BRuce WAyne!" Look for her at Edwards party. She just bugs the hell out of me.

Although Im sure no one knows just what in the h ell im talking about.

[KTJ2004]

Batman and Robin was a terrible movie. Plain and simple.

[Badbird]

"Leaps and bounds" better than Batman?

Look, I can state forever that Predator 2 is arguably better than Predator 1, and while few may agree with me, everyone would agree that it's a better argument that BF vs Batman.

I like BF, but there was one truly horific moment that derailed it, well, Forever for me. A-hem...

ROBIN: Holy Rusted Metal, Batman!

BATMAN: (total disbelief) What?!

ROBIN: The island. It's metal and rusted. You know, full of holes.

In that one moment, Joel took the entire franchise back to the cheesy, campy 1960's show that the ideal of Batman will never be able to live down, and all that moment, and all of B&R, only reinforced that camp mentality, exentially wrecking everything that Tim Burtton and Frank Miller did to resurect Batman.

Anyone can play Batman/Bruce. He just isn't much of character. All three actors were perfectly fine at it. Though Val Kilmer hated the movie, so it's understanible why he slept walked through the movie, but even then he wasn't bad. But you could realy sense in his voice how much he hated the movie in that exchainge I listed. He truly sounds like he can't believe the dialogue he's speaking and hearing.

That one line is BF's only flaw if you ask me, and it will always haunt that movie as the one moment that held it from being truly great.

[Spidey]

When I watched Batman & Robin and I saw the performance of Arnold , I thought to myself :'Geeez ,is this the same guy that played the terminator?'.

[optimus]

The original Batman was the best for me. Michael Keaton did an excellent job. For me, there is no other Batman movie beyond Batman Returns. The other two just was down-right God-awful movies.

After the first ten minutes of Batman and Robin, I wanted to go home (Ice-skates convieniently located in your shoes? WTF?).

I also think Jack Nicholson was the best choice for the Joker which made the original Batman all the more better.

[Cronos]

i used to really like Forever, but the last time i watched it, its pretty bad, not what i remember it being,

Forever and Batman and Robin are fun but nothing compared to Burtons much much much much darker films, they are too cartoony and made for the kiddies so they dont work because nothing about it is convincing or looks real

[AmunRaTRON]

jack nicholson or however u spell the mans name imo was not the best choice for the joker. he was to jack and not menacing enough. it's as if everything that made u fear the joker was stripped from him. that and he was the worst looking joker ever. come on even birds of prey mad the joker look right and u didint even get to see him that well. Take batman dead end for instance perfect joker look! Jack ? Fuck that he sucked

[electriclite]

"I think at his age Bruce Wayne should be over his parents' death"

-Joel Schumacher



Game, set, match.

I don't think I have to explain the sheer stupidity of that statement in regards to the psychology of Batman .



Batman and Robin is a horrid mess of bad puns and one-liners trying to pass it off as filmmaking. It was basically a horrific parody of the 60's TV series. AND THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING!

Batman Forever is just cheesy, homo-erotic camp (and yes I know Schumacher is "a puff") that I just don't bother to watch. Both are disgustingly decadent pieces of celluloid, and not in a good way, "Forever" being the more reigned in since Burton served as producer. But after Burton left... well we all know what happened when he left.


I liked Flatliners, I can watch a Time to Kill, Phone Booth and Tigerland, but he REALLY fucked up the Batman franchise and no amount of Manchurian Candidate style brainwashing can tell me otherwise.

[quoth_the_raven]

Theres only been one good batman movie and that came first...everything since has been fairly shite.

I'm holding out my hopes for the next one thought. with Bale involved it couldn turn out to better the first movie. Guess we'll have to wait and see...

[LoomisFan]

I think it's hilarious that all you people are pissed at the director, rather than the writers. This is like one topic I once read where somebody said something along the lines of: "Fuck Burton for killing off the Joker!"
Say it with me: THE DIRECTOR DID NOT WRITE THE FUCKING MOVIE!!!

[ANavissi500]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
You're kidding me right? Schumacher killed the series.

An example:

Random Gotham City Citizen: "That's Batman! He protects us!"

-Batman and Robin



I don't see how that is any worse than "Go Spidey Go" or half the other random citizen lines from all other super hero movies.

[ANavissi500]

Originally posted by Badbird
"Leaps and bounds" better than Batman?

Look, I can state forever that Predator 2 is arguably better than Predator 1, and while few may agree with me, everyone would agree that it's a better argument that BF vs Batman.

I like BF, but there was one truly horific moment that derailed it, well, Forever for me. A-hem...

ROBIN: Holy Rusted Metal, Batman!

BATMAN: (total disbelief) What?!

ROBIN: The island. It's metal and rusted. You know, full of holes.

In that one moment, Joel took the entire franchise back to the cheesy, campy 1960's show that the ideal of Batman will never be able to live down, and all that moment, and all of B&R, only reinforced that camp mentality, exentially wrecking everything that Tim Burtton and Frank Miller did to resurect Batman.




I really liked that line and I thought it was really clever. It was completely bashing the sheer campiness of the Adam West series.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by ANavissi500
I don't see how that is any worse than "Go Spidey Go" or half the other random citizen lines from all other super hero movies.

Because while Spiderman was always the savior for New York, Batman started out for revenge. He didn't protect Gotham for the hell of it, he did it to avenge the deaths of his parents. Protecting Gotham was sidework next to his vengeance.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by ANavissi500
I really liked that line and I thought it was really clever. It was completely bashing the sheer campiness of the Adam West series.



No, the last two movies EMBRACED the campiness of the Adam West series. The lighting alone emphasizes this.

That "line" just fit with the rest of the film's decor.

[Nice Marmot]

You're right, he didn't ruin Batman, he only ruined the 3rd & 4th Batman films. They were absolutely pathetic excuses for movies.

[Tweek]

"I think at his age Bruce Wayne should be over his parents' death"

He said that?
What a empathy for the characters. Honestly, he saw his parents being killed when he was a kidlet, and a young one. He's never gone to therapy of any sort (i don't think)

[cstroman]

I think they should rename the last two movies "Schumacher Forever" and "Schumacher and Robin" because honestly although filmmakers can be expected to bring their own "vision" or "feel" to a movie, you aren't supposed to remake whole characters completely different than they were leading up to where they are.

Batman went from:

I am a shadowy shell of a man bent on avenging the deaths of my parents by targetting the criminals responsible for ending their lives....

to

I'm all over it now BABY! Let's throw on some skates, get the rainbow lights flashing and have an Icecapades!

(on a side note, wasn't the 2 hours of footage cut from the movie just the "Pow" and "Biff" and "Bang" text cards they wanted to put after each punch? :D )

Robin: Holy stinking shithole Batman!

Batman: Where? Where?!

[KcMsterpce]

Yeah, come to think of it, the more I think about Batman & Robin, the more I think about Starlight Express.

"Starlight Expreeeeeesssssssssssss."

Robin: Only you... have the power to move me.

http://www.iridas.com/press/pr/electra.jpg http://www.oakparkjournal.com/TheaterReviews/2003-Starlight-Express-sorrry-sm.jpg


... And this is not a GOOD thing.


I did laugh at the "holy rusted metal, Batman" bit. At that point in the movie, I pretty much gave up hope. It was obvious that the whole damned movie was strongly influenced by the campy TV show. I like the TV show for what it is, but it doesn't work NOW. Especially since Batman Forever is a sequel to a more serious, intelligent, and mature take on Batman. (and a much much better version, IMO)

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

I should also note that the character of Bane was ruined in B&R. He went from the man that killed Batman in the comics to the man that was Batman's bitch in B&R.

[Jas]

Batman Forever was pretty good as the popcorn flick it was, but all copies of Batman & Robin should be used as toilet-paper.

[Mahab]

Originally posted by Jason_fan 1
all copies of Batman & Robin should be used as toilet-paper.

Even the DVD copies?

...ouchie.

[Jas]

Originally posted by Mahab
Even the DVD copies?

...ouchie.


Those can be used to beat Schumacher

[miguel_montes]

Lots of neon and colors :confused:

Do I need to say more? It looked like "Batman & Robin" was a freakin' dance club.

[Nice Marmot]

And all that blacklight looking, fluorescent graffiti. Yuck!

[JasonSlasher]

I loved the serious, gothic tone of the first two movies- I thought Tim Burton was the perfect match for the Batman story and I'm a huge fan of the first two.

Batman Returns is personally my favorite, and I remember liking Batman Forever when it first came out, but that was a while ago and haven't watched it for a long time. I do know that Batman and Robin was terrible and an embarrassment to the whole series. Is Joel Shumacher the only one to blame? Probably not, but it definately lies on his shoulders as him being the DIRECTOR of the movie. He obviously had no problem with the corny dialouge and story- not to mention Arnold Schwarzenegger hamming it up at Mr. Freeze.

I'm am really excited about the upcoming Batman movie, it sounds like it's returning to the feel of the first two, maybe even better (not to mention the stellar cast and director). It's definately my most anticipated movie so far.

[T-1000]

IMO, all the Batman films were downright bad, and none of them did justice to the character. As far as I'm concerned, the one, TRUE Batman film will arrive next summer in the form of Batman Begins. The Schumacher/Burton films primarily focused on the villains rather than the title character. With BB, Bruce Wayne/Batman will finally be the star of his own film. The script is fantastic, and I love the direction in which Christopher Nolan is taking the film. The Burton films were gothic shitfests, and the Shumacher films were beyond horrible. The Batman that I grew up with as a comics fan wasn't "gothic"; there was always a dark, gritty, and urban feel to the Batman mythology, and none of the current films managed to capture that type of an atmosphere. Some may argue that Burton's films did accomplish that, but Burton's vision was just too wierd for my tastes.

[JasonSlasher]

I agree that it is nice to have a film focusing mainly on the Batman character himself (but not solely, as there are still other characters). But one of the most interesting things that adds to Batman's mythology is the wide variety of quirky villians. They all have their own stories and I find them very interesting, and I liked the focus on them as well as on Batman in the first films. You could argue that they overshadowed Batman, and you might be right, but personally I was still intriged by both stories and found him actively involved with the plot anyway. The way they went with the story just appealed to me.

Either way, I think most of us didn't appreciate the over-the-top, comical direction the last two went with, and I'm glad the studios saw that also.

[Shockwave]

Batman Forever and Batman and Robin were kinda like Aliens 3 and 4.

3 was mildly amusing, but nowhere near the first two, and part 4 blew some mighty chunks.

[Benny]

It's true he did not ruin the Batman movies on his own, but it's fun to put the blame on him though cuz he's such a shitty director! And now he's directing Phantom of the Opera which comes out this fall!

Whoop-de-fucking-doo.

[Damned Martian]

That Schumacher films are the worst part of the batman saga is a no-brainer. BF is still entertaining, but B&R is the biggest pile of shit a superhero franchise has ever seen. So I think it's safe to say he has part of the guilt in ruining the saga.


Anyway, I don't hate the guy as a director, He has made lots of great films. He's just VERY uneven. He can make a masterpiece (Falling Down, Tigerland...) and next to it a stinker (B&R, his Grisham adaptations...).

[sAtAn666]

"I'm afraid my condition has left me COLD to your pleas of mercy."

"Tonight, hell FREEZES over!"

"FREEZE in Hell, Batman!"

"FREEZE well!"

"The ICEMAN cometh!"

"COOL party!"


I rest my case.

[MisterTwister]

I have to disagree-I liked Batman and Robin. It was Popcorn fun. Sure the movie was at times too campy but i still had fun and enjoyed it more then Forever. I liked the cast and direction.
7/10

[ilovemovies]

The Batman movies aren't ruined. Yes, Batman & Robin was bad, but one bad movie does not ruin a long runing franchise.

And Joel Schumacher is a damn good filmmaker, although he does have to share some of the blame for the movies badness.

[Jon Lyrik]

Did the last two movies ruin the first two movies? No.

Did they soil the sanctity of them? Yes.

Did they crash the franchise into the ground? Yes.

[thedudeman69]

Let me ask another question

Did the last three batman movies send anybody's career that came a mile within it into the shitter? Yes.

[Jas]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Let me ask another question

Did the last three batman movies send anybody's career that came a mile within it into the shitter? Yes.


Hey now, Batman Forever did no such thing.

Val Kilmer had plenty to do after Batman Forever, (Heat, The Saint, Pollock to name 3 out of 20, 3 in production.

I don't even need to tell you how Jim Carrey's career is NOT in the shitter, AT ALL.

Tommy Lee Jones did a good bunch of flicks after B:F, including Men In Black, U.S Marshal (Reprising an Oscar winning role).

Nicole Kidman, like Jim Carrey, nowhere near the shitter.

Chris O'Donnell did a few flicks, but he has, is, and always will be shit in the shitter.

Shumacher, along with O'Donnell, is the shittiest of the shitty....in the shitter...

[thedudeman69]

Shumacher, along with O'Donnell, is the shittiest of the shitty....in the shitter...

yeah Have you guys seen O'donnell in anything good lately?

:D

[AmunRaTRON]

Batman Forever or, Rather Shumacher Forever was on today. The WORST line in the movie is when Batman make's His entrance at the nygmatech ball and for like a good three seconds some random extra says "BATMAN! AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!" watch it again. its the guy standing behind nicole kidmans charecter. Im Telling you it's the single most annoying line in that movie.

and i retract my previous statement: Batman Forever is a steaming pile.

[RightHere]

You know, I did not find Batman & Robin a bad movie at all. I thought it was great entertainment. I do not think it deserves this bad reputation that it got in movies, that it was so bad, that this is why some years later, they had to restart the whole Batman franchise. I don't think B&R should be remembered as that.

So many are saying what they disliked about the movie [bad acting, corny lines, untrue to the comic books], but I'll say what I thought was good about the movie.

-Uma Thurman gave a sizzling, sexy performance as Poison Ivy
-This was Michael Gough's Alfred best movie; he put some heart into it
-George Clooney is believable as Bruce Wayne
-lavish sets
-Arnold Schwarzenegger's enthusiasm as Mr. Freeze

& I did not like the Bat-nipples, but I do not think that one stupid thing should make this movie's reputation in Hollywood be that of really bad. I actually want a Special Edition for Joel Schumacher's BF and B&R. I'd buy all 4 of the Special Editions.

[Spidey]

Joel , Arnold , George and Uma all look like intelligent people to me. And I guess they all can read. So why didn't any of them leave the movie after reading the script. Is it possible they liked the script ? I don't think so , anybody with good taste could tell this script sucked donkey balls.

The only reason they all stayed on board to shoot this piece of crap , is because they all received a big fat PAYCHECK !

So what if the franchise is ruïned ? They're rich now and that is the only thing what matters in the end.

And can anybody tell me what happened to badgirl Alicia Silverstone ? Is she still alive ?

[Jas]

Originally posted by Spidey


The only reason they all stayed on board to shoot this piece of crap , is because they all received a big fat PAYCHECK !



IMO, I'd just love to be in a superhero movie....But if it had the word Robin in it i'd probably slap the screenwriter

[Dead Halloween]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
yeah Have you guys seen O'donnell in anything good lately?

:D

That's a good question, I haven't heard of him in a while.

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by Spidey

And can anybody tell me what happened to badgirl Alicia Silverstone ? Is she still alive ?

She starred in the now canceled tv series Missmatch

[Jas]

O'Donnell was in about 4 episodes of The Practice

[bigred760]

Gotta disagree with you there man. Batman Forever was not better than the first and Michael Keaton was a great Batman. Val Kilmer was good, but not better. And the first one is the best mostly because of Jack Nicholson - he stole the show. But Keaton held up his own.

And Batman & Robin was God Awful!! Cheesy one-liners, bad script, worse acting, and the production design and directing was a joke.
I won't blame Joel Schumacher entirely (he failed in the fact he was trying to reach the wrong demographic), but I believe he's mostly to blame.

[adamjohnson]

I still feel George Clooney wasnt given a fair shot at Batman. He could pull off an old Wayne pretty well, and hes not any worse at being the Bat than any of the other ones. He just couldnt do anything with the script he was given.

I also think that Val Kilmer played the role of Wayne well, but onnly the sexy, playboy, millionaire part of Wayne. We all know that Wanye, beneath that exterior, is the Bat, not the other way around. VK didnt see that, or do that.

But Keaton did both pretty well. He is undersized but still damn intimidating.

But no worries, Christian will put them all to shame.

[Damned Martian]

^^I agree with every word he said.

[thedudeman69]

me too:)

[Sigur509]

Joel Shumacher did NOT ruin Batman

Yes he did.

[RightHere]

I thought Joel Schumacher didn't do that bad of a job on the Batman franchise. He has gotten such a bad rap for it, but if you watch them, even if they may not be as dark as Tim Burton's, they are still entertaining. The action in BF and B&R was more like James Bond-style action, and that's the approach that Schumacher brought.

[Shockwave]

They should have called Batman and Robin "Batman on ice!" and they could have thrown in musical numbers!

..u know its what u always wanted in a Batman movie.;)

[Jas]

Just rewatched the movie....Who can forget the part where Batman & Robin are in a bidding war against each other.....And Batman pulls out a Batman Gothcard.....A Batman credit card....And the fact the everytime someone falls or gets thrown, you hear that cartoon "Whoop" sound....This movie...Is a joke!

[Common Sense Man]

I find that Batman 3 and 4 are like any of the Highlander spawn... pure crap that should have been aborted rather than given birth.

http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/cinema/artigos/tim_burton/keaton_batman.jpg

I will hear no ill speaking about Keaton. He was perfect as Batman, of course he is brooding and stilted he lives a double life and is tormented!

It was a dark day indeed when the series continued without Burton and Keaton.

But we must live in these desperate times as best we can.

However now it seems that the torch is about to be passed to a truly worthy suplicant. Someone with power, someone with proven action chops, someone who can get their BROOD ON!

http://www.freewebs.com/equilibrium-movie/PrestonLG.JPG

Bale!

This is no sissy pretty party boy, sure he may look good but he could split Kilmer and Clooney in half with his limp member and not even break a sweat! Did you see Equilibrium!

But I stray from the topic at hand.

Schumacher needs to go back to making videos for kids, and if he never did that maybe he should head his career in that direction.

Out............................................... ...................

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by AmunRaTRON
can i get some of what you're smoking? Dammit! I was gonna go "Can I buy some pot from you?".

Fine, steal my lines why don't you?

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by Jason_fan 1


Shumacher, along with O'Donnell, is the shittiest of the shitty....in the shitter...


Schumacher is hardly in the shitter. Since then he's done Tigerland, Phone Booth and Veronica Geurin. Not to mention The Phantom of the Opera looks very promising (infact I think it looks GREAT!). I also loved 8MM but I didn't include that movie because that movie divided audiences with some liking it and some hating it. But I thought it was terrific!

[isileth]

I loved Micheal Keaton as Batman and Kim Basinger as Vicky Vale.
I didn't like Val Kilmer and Batman and Robin was edited in a way that made me wonder who was fighting who.
Clooney was the worst of the characters in the last of the series, while the villains were great.
I even liked Alicia Silverstone!

[Ted Pikul]

"I'm afraid my condition has left me COLD to your pleas of mercy."

"Tonight, hell FREEZES over!"

"FREEZE in Hell, Batman!"

"FREEZE well!"

"The ICEMAN cometh!"

"COOL party!"

Surely screenwriter Akiva Goldsman has to shoulder the blame for the atrocious dialogue?

& that bozo Schwarzenegger as all of the lines above were obviously tailored to his persona.

[isileth]

Arnie wasn't that bad, considering the kind of guy he was portraying.
Mr. Clloney seemed having done the movie because he was short of cash but he hadn't a real idea what to do.

[Ted Pikul]

"Arnie wasn't that bad, considering the kind of guy he was portraying"

What himself?

[Murderous Squad]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
Schumacher is hardly in the shitter. Since then he's done Tigerland, Phone Booth and Veronica Geurin. Not to mention The Phantom of the Opera looks very promising (infact I think it looks GREAT!). I also loved 8MM but I didn't include that movie because that movie divided audiences with some liking it and some hating it. But I thought it was terrific!

Phantom of the opera does look good and BTW you live in downingtown?? I know some girl that goes to that school I think...