Anyone else realize u cant watch the star wars saga in order now!?!!

[AmunRaTRON]

You totally cant! the shock value of learning that vader is luke's father is totally gone! u have to watch them the way they came out in release and not in chronological order.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Yes, yes you can.

Really, after watching Empire so many damn times over the past 20 years, are you really STILL surprised that Vader is Luke's father?

[Badbird]

But as a genuinely surprising element of the story, it IS ruined.

No matter how many times you saw it, it was still a briliant and surprising move for the story. Now, there is no story.


Aaaaannnd... it would ruin it for child X five years from now who hasn't seen any of the movies, and watches them in "order."

Prequils are just stupid in general.

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger

Really, after watching Empire so many damn times over the past 20 years, are you really STILL surprised that Vader is Luke's father?

Nice reply ;)

[Cunning Visions]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
Really, after watching Empire so many damn times over the past 20 years, are you really STILL surprised that Vader is Luke's father?
Whoa...wait a minute! You mean to tell me Vader was Luke's FATHER??!! All this time I've been calling him Uncle Darth. :p

I agree with AmunRaTRON but ONLY if you've never seen any of the Star Wars movies. Obviously it's not a shock to any of us who have, but if I were to show the films to someone who's never seen them...I'd start with the originals first.

[one_crow_sorrow]

Most people I know who haven't even seen any of the Star Wars movies knows he's Luke's father anyway. Honestly, who hasn't heard someone say "Luke, I am your father!"

[Labbla]

The only ones worth watching are the origonal trlogy ( non special edition).

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by quoth_the_raven
Nice reply ;)

Thanks, I try. ;)

I should also note that it's about LUKE'S realization that Vader is his father, not ours.

This is actually an old old way of story writing going back to Shakespeare. I can't think of the name of it, but it's when the characters don't know what's going on (i.e. Luke not knowing Vader is his father) but the audience does.

It's very normal in story writing.

[Nice Marmot]

This isn't a problem for those that realize the prequels are garbage & don't ever watch them a second time.

Midichlorines . . . . teehee . . . "There was no father" . . . heeheehee . . . . . "Sand gets in everything" . . . . HAHAHA . . . . still makes me laugh.

[Raymond Babbit]

You know, I remeber reading somewhere a while ago that when both trilogies are completed, it's meant to be a story of the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker, so I don't think it really matter that it's revealed he's Vader.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Raymond Babbit
You know, I remeber reading somewhere a while ago that when both trilogies are completed, it's meant to be a story of the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker, so I don't think it really matter that it's revealed he's Vader.

That is exactly what its supposed to be about.

[Cronos]

ive thought about this quite a bit, but since ive seen the original trilogy i dont see the proble, since i know what happens anyway

also its the story of Anakin so it makes sense to start from the beginning

[Common Sense Man]

Believe me I am not defending Lucas or the way he has told the prequel story so far.

But if you lived in lets say, Krebackastan, and had been hiding from the rebel factions trying to kill you for the last 30 years seeing all the movies in order should not spoil the suprise.

That is......

If Lucas does it right in EPIII.

If he does it right you will not know that Luke is Anakins son. You may realize that Anakin had a son but who is to say they will tell you his name.

Maybe Anakin won't even know he has kids.

If it is done right the Star Wars Virgin could still be surprised.

But with all that Lucas has done lately each kid will probably be born into Anakins hands and he will hold them up and proclaim their names for all to see, then make some lame prophecy about meeting Luke later on in some grand struggle.

Ah hell.

Out............................................... ...........................

[Cyclonus]

Gotta question: did anyone, upon watching The Empire Strikes Back for the first time, guess "the secret" before it was revealed?

[Mahab]

Originally posted by Common Sense Man
Maybe Anakin won't even know he has kids.

I'm 82.3% sure that Anakin doesn't know he has kids. If I remember right, he's surprised to find out that Luke has a sister in ROTJ.

But, that may not stop Lucas from doing what you said (which was hilarious, by the way).

[quoth_the_raven]

Originally posted by Common Sense Man


Maybe Anakin won't even know he has kids.



Yeah he probably never realised that the condom split on the night he said a special goodbye, shortly before running off to butcher a few jedi ;)

[AmunRaTRON]

to answer a question i didnt guess that vader was lukes father at all. what im saying is that to "kid x" the whole shock value is going to be gone. and dont count on lucas figuring out a way to conceal it to the veiwers the man just figured out how to color within the lines for christ sakes. oh and to whoever said that they heard that the saga is supposed to e about the rise and fall of lord vader, if thats so then why are episodes 4 5 and 6 all focused and told from luke leai and hans points of veiw, or really the rebel's point of veiw to be more accurate? think about it.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by AmunRaTRON
whoever said that they heard that the saga is supposed to be about the rise and fall of lord vader, if thats so then why are episodes 4 5 and 6 all focused and told from luke leai and hans points of veiw, or really the rebel's point of veiw to be more accurate? think about it.

The overall story is about the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin. Episodes 4,5,6 focus on Luke, Leia and Han because they are the main characters in that particular part of the saga.

And what are they doing? Trying to stop Darth Vader/Anakin (granted they don't know he's Anakin) and the Empire's evil. And at the end of Jedi, Anakin is redeemed and the circle is complete.

[AmunRaTRON]

still not convienved, wouldnt there be more screen time between luke and anaikin, more over leia and anikin? if the saga is about the rise and fall of anikin than it is an incomplete saga. if u wish to veiw it as that than surely it is missing something.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

It really isn't, it just tells the perspective of the father (Anakin, prequels) and then the son (Luke, the OT).

Leia, Han, etc. are just subplot. The overall story is Anakin's.

[bigred760]

Originally posted by Common Sense Man

But if you lived in lets say, Krebackastan, and had been hiding from the rebel factions trying to kill you for the last 30 years seeing all the movies in order should not spoil the suprise.


I've always wanted to go there.:D


Anyway, I've seen the original trilogy so many times that I can't remember the first time I saw it. And since I already knew who Vader was when I saw the prequels, it's no big deal to me. I'll worry about it when I show the movies to somebody that hasn't seen it. I don't think it's that big a deal.

[Damned Martian]

Originally posted by Common Sense Man
If he does it right you will not know that Luke is Anakins son. You may realize that Anakin had a son but who is to say they will tell you his name. Hello? SKYWALKER??? A bit of a clue, isn't it?

Maybe Anakin won't even know he has kids. Then how could he know Luke is his son?

[badberry]

Originally posted by Damned Martian
Hello? SKYWALKER??? A bit of a clue, isn't it?


My thoughts exactly....

I think that, like most "prequels", although the movies take place before the originals, they are not meant to be viewed before the originals (obviously, or they wouldn't have made the original trilogy first). They are basically sequels that take place earlier in time. Watching the whole 'saga' in order doesn't really work, since so much of the stuff in the new movies is a nod to stuff from the originals. I'm probably making no sense, so I'll stop now :)

[TheDeadWalk]

Prequels made after the original film(s) are generally made to be watched as sequels for the very purpose of spoiling.

If I make a film about me having a third nipple, I would expect you to watch my "at birth prequel" after the original, because you would already know that at my birth, I was born with a third nipple.



Didn't they do something similar with the Twin Peaks film, shadowing the life of Laura Palmer leading up to her death, meaning that the show would have no purpose if you watched the prequel before?

Just because its a prequel doesn't necessarily mean that you should watch it BEFORE the original. But fans will have a good argument, seeing as these are named "Episode I, II, III, IV," etc. etc. etc.

[Squirrel_X]

This is kinda off-topic, but ah well. If you are in for more of the Star Warsy saga plot etc. play Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (on Xbox or PC.) I think I got more Star Wars outta that game than any of the prequels, including the unreleased Ep. 3 (may the gods forgive Gary Oldman.) It has a great story and some good plot twists kinda in line with the Star Wars way of things.

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by Damned Martian
Hello? SKYWALKER??? A bit of a clue, isn't it?

I agree. You can argue that 70% of the universe has the last name Skywalker (as somebody pointed out before, maybe in another thread), but how many people besides Star Wars aficanados know that?

[starcat]

dont forget about the meeting of owen and martha...who luke goes to live with....and calls aunt and uncle.... but really, who cares... everyone knows that vadar is lukes father, and anyone coming up now who hasnt seen it doesnt have the same shock value as we did when the original trilogy came out... and so far i like the eps.... not as good as the originals because the characters so far have not been given a quarter of the depth, and that and jar jar are the only problems with the new ones.... but come on, the didnt call the originals a space opera for nothing...

[someguy]

Anyone else realize u cant watch the star wars saga in order now!?!!

oh no3s :rolleyes:

i'll never watch those movies again since Lucas is just a whore for money now.

[Jim H]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
It really isn't, it just tells the perspective of the father (Anakin, prequels) and then the son (Luke, the OT).

Leia, Han, etc. are just subplot. The overall story is Anakin's.

That might be what he has planned NOW, but he certainly didn't have it planned at conception. He didn't even decide Leia and Luke were sisters until past making The Empire Strikes Back.

I just feel that is worth mentioning. I personally feel Episode III is unlikely to redeem I and II, so I just plan to stick to IV-VI. Which reminds me, I need to start looking for the LDs of Empire and ROTJ.

[the_maid_tricks]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
Yes, yes you can.

Really, after watching Empire so many damn times over the past 20 years, are you really STILL surprised that Vader is Luke's father?

Vader is Luke's father?!? Great job you crater-faced child molester, now there really isn't any reason for me to watch the star wars movies in chronological order. Next time write "SPOILERS" or something. Jerk.

[Squirrel_X]

Originally posted by the_maid_tricks
Vader is Luke's father?!? Great job you crater-faced child molester, now there really isn't any reason for me to watch the star wars movies in chronological order. Next time write "SPOILERS" or something. Jerk.

Good GOD I hope you are kidding...but even if you are, thats a little too subtle brand of humor for my french-fried brain...Anyway, if you are joking, then "ha" but if not, just watch em anyway as they are far better than pretty much of 98% of the crap that has come out in the past 15 years.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Jim H
That might be what he has planned NOW, but he certainly didn't have it planned at conception. He didn't even decide Leia and Luke were sisters until past making The Empire Strikes Back.

I just feel that is worth mentioning. I personally feel Episode III is unlikely to redeem I and II, so I just plan to stick to IV-VI. Which reminds me, I need to start looking for the LDs of Empire and ROTJ.

He knew Vader was Anakin Skywalker. He had most of the story before IV pretty much planned. Not every single detail, mind you. But the majority? Did he have Luke and Leia as brother and sister? Probably not, but Vader was always Luke's father.

The full story has always meant to be Anakin's. And now that the story has evolved into fulfilling the prophecy of bringing balance to the Force, it is most definitely Anakin's story.


Vader is Luke's father?!? Great job you crater-faced child molester, now there really isn't any reason for me to watch the star wars movies in chronological order. Next time write "SPOILERS" or something. Jerk.

I too hope you're joking.

[Jim H]

He knew Vader was Anakin Skywalker. He had most of the story before IV pretty much planned. Not every single detail, mind you. But the majority? Did he have Luke and Leia as brother and sister? Probably not, but Vader was always Luke's father.

The full story has always meant to be Anakin's. And now that the story has evolved into fulfilling the prophecy of bringing balance to the Force, it is most definitely Anakin's story.

What are you basing this on? If it is George Lucas's word, I wouldn't take it.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Jim H
What are you basing this on? If it is George Lucas's word, I wouldn't take it.

In one of the Ep. I web docs, Lucas shows off the back story he had written way back in 77. It wasn't ALL the same remember (this is noticeable in the original SW novel, where Palpatine is mentioned but not as a Sith), but Anakin Skywalker's outlined story was there.

He did make sure he knew how everyone got there.

[Jim H]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
In one of the Ep. I web docs, Lucas shows off the back story he had written way back in 77. It wasn't ALL the same remember (this is noticeable in the original SW novel, where Palpatine is mentioned but not as a Sith), but Anakin Skywalker's outlined story was there.

He did make sure he knew how everyone got there.

That's cool. Is that doc still floating around somewhere? Sounds neat.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Jim H
That's cool. Is that doc still floating around somewhere? Sounds neat.

I don't know if you can find it online, but it is on the Episode I DVD. :)

[thedudeman69]

I am sorry to offend all Star Wars fans, but the series sucks big time! I hate the prequels and the movies themselves, I fall asleep just watching these things

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
I am sorry to offend all Star Wars fans, but the series sucks big time! I hate the prequels and the movies themselves, I fall asleep just watching these things

Well, these films aren't for everyone. I would hope no one would take offense. ;)

[Maeljin_incarna]

Originally posted by AmunRaTRON
the shock value of learning that vader is luke's father is totally gone!
Gah! Thanks for ruining the series for me!!

Ever hear of a little thing called a SPOILER warning?









































;)

[bigred760]

Sure you can; I do it all the time. Especially since I already know that Vader is his father.

I don't know about people who haven't seen the original trilogy, but I don't worry about that. If anything, I'll tell them to watch that first and then watch the originals.

[irishblood]

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Originally posted by AmunRaTRON
the shock value of learning that vader is luke's father is totally gone!
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quote: originally posted by Maeljin_incarna
Gah! Thanks for ruining the series for me!!
Ever hear of a little thing called a SPOILER warning?

At the risk of offending a possible sarcastic comment...

if you don't know that Vader is Luke's father you should be tar and feathered off the planet and forced to watch Gigli and reruns of Martha Stewart Living for eternity in a cell on the far side of Mars. No excuses.. Unless your under 3 years of age...

In order to bring back the shock value of episode 5, I recommend heavy drinking. (4 Irish car bombs and you'll even forget about the incestual makeout session between Luke and Lea)

[Maeljin_incarna]

Originally posted by irishblood
At the risk of offending a possible sarcastic comment...

if you don't know that Vader is Luke's father you should be tar and feathered off the planet and forced to watch Gigli and reruns of Martha Stewart Living for eternity in a cell on the far side of Mars. No excuses.. Unless your under 3 years of age...
I am offended, dear schmoe. But I contest that even children under three should be duly treated. Lacking the power of speech is not an excuse for ignorance!











nudge nudge ;) ;)

Eh? Eh? Ah, fuck it. I'm going home.