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12-16-2001, 05:49 PM
In case you didn't read the subject, this message contains spoilers, so if you haven't seen the movie, DO NOT READ THIS!
That said, I was wondering what, if any speculations people had about What Muir's (Redford's character) real deal was.
1. I'm thinking that he at least knew that Bishop was going to attempt the rescue (Notice the truthful "lie", when asked by his CIA-enemy - If you had known about this rogue operation, would you have told us about it? - he says no, which is the truth, though he seems to imply that he did know about the operation beforehand)...
Because of his ease of infiltrating Pitt's network in hong kong and china (how is he able to set up the power outage so fast?) I have to assume that he probably helped plan the operation, at least being aware of most of the details.
2. Also, I think the story about trading Bishop's girlfriend to the Chinese was a lie. Although he may have portrayed himself as a hard-ass, I don't think it was inline with his character to trade away his buddy's lover. Also, his story provides a relatively simple cover-up for himself to be somewhat involved with Tom's mission (i.e., keeping tab's on him), gives himself a weakness (well, looks like you underestimated his love for this girl). Bullshit, Muir seems to be the perfect spy, so I doubt he wouldn't have read his friend's mind. Probably the girl got dealed away to the Chinese by one of her less friendly connections/enemies. Then Bishop wants to save her, Muir wants to help. Beirut, the last time he saw him? Doubtful.
Though these are just some theories, it seems most in line with Redford's character (dealt away for some foreign diplomat?) whatever, a thin lie that only has to hold up for the duration of the events in the film, much like his "bahamas" tale. An expert liar, it seems very likely that the viewer should view anything he tells the people at the table as a mixture of fact and fiction, as he needs to buy enough time for himself to do the things he needs to do before he has to leave.
3. Amazing price coincidence. Liquidating accounts yields - 282 K
Notice how the amount of the bahamas leaflet was $282,000, exactly what his "just" liquidated international account happened to be. Weird coincidence. or did he forge that document after the trades. Or, did he engage in a more complicated plan where he only appears to have liquidated his entire amount-
This violates his own rule (put money away so you can live in the sun). Surely after this heist he is on the run, so he probably had this brochure, knew it was a somewhat plausible theory that he was buying retirement property, thought he could get the chinese to take $282K (although would think he could have gotten them to take less, bargaining being what it is) - but he had to have them take the 282 because it matched this rental property's price.
He probably planned a lot of this as backup, in case his friend's op. didn't work out, although not well enough that he didn't need some fancy footwork. Well, enough blabbing, if you found this ANAL-ysis compelling enough to at least scan the whole thing, thanks. please comment all or in part, I liked this movie quite a bit as I feel there was a lot of stuff that is suggested but never really stated - requiring you to think about it a bit to see what really happened. Perhaps a bit too much, but fun to talk about!
That said, I was wondering what, if any speculations people had about What Muir's (Redford's character) real deal was.
1. I'm thinking that he at least knew that Bishop was going to attempt the rescue (Notice the truthful "lie", when asked by his CIA-enemy - If you had known about this rogue operation, would you have told us about it? - he says no, which is the truth, though he seems to imply that he did know about the operation beforehand)...
Because of his ease of infiltrating Pitt's network in hong kong and china (how is he able to set up the power outage so fast?) I have to assume that he probably helped plan the operation, at least being aware of most of the details.
2. Also, I think the story about trading Bishop's girlfriend to the Chinese was a lie. Although he may have portrayed himself as a hard-ass, I don't think it was inline with his character to trade away his buddy's lover. Also, his story provides a relatively simple cover-up for himself to be somewhat involved with Tom's mission (i.e., keeping tab's on him), gives himself a weakness (well, looks like you underestimated his love for this girl). Bullshit, Muir seems to be the perfect spy, so I doubt he wouldn't have read his friend's mind. Probably the girl got dealed away to the Chinese by one of her less friendly connections/enemies. Then Bishop wants to save her, Muir wants to help. Beirut, the last time he saw him? Doubtful.
Though these are just some theories, it seems most in line with Redford's character (dealt away for some foreign diplomat?) whatever, a thin lie that only has to hold up for the duration of the events in the film, much like his "bahamas" tale. An expert liar, it seems very likely that the viewer should view anything he tells the people at the table as a mixture of fact and fiction, as he needs to buy enough time for himself to do the things he needs to do before he has to leave.
3. Amazing price coincidence. Liquidating accounts yields - 282 K
Notice how the amount of the bahamas leaflet was $282,000, exactly what his "just" liquidated international account happened to be. Weird coincidence. or did he forge that document after the trades. Or, did he engage in a more complicated plan where he only appears to have liquidated his entire amount-
This violates his own rule (put money away so you can live in the sun). Surely after this heist he is on the run, so he probably had this brochure, knew it was a somewhat plausible theory that he was buying retirement property, thought he could get the chinese to take $282K (although would think he could have gotten them to take less, bargaining being what it is) - but he had to have them take the 282 because it matched this rental property's price.
He probably planned a lot of this as backup, in case his friend's op. didn't work out, although not well enough that he didn't need some fancy footwork. Well, enough blabbing, if you found this ANAL-ysis compelling enough to at least scan the whole thing, thanks. please comment all or in part, I liked this movie quite a bit as I feel there was a lot of stuff that is suggested but never really stated - requiring you to think about it a bit to see what really happened. Perhaps a bit too much, but fun to talk about!