My Own C'MON HOLLYWOOD

[Adornado]

I hope Indiana Sev doesn't mind but I have my own C'mon Hollywood rant I need to get off my chest.

GIMME MORE R RATED ACTION FLICKS

This year, how many R rated action movies have we had? I'm not talking about action/sci-fi, or action-horror or action-drama-samurai movies. I'm talking about pure, straight up action movies -- TWO: Man On Fire and The Punisher...one sucked and one's supposed to suck.

What happened to movies like Commando, First Blood, Red Heat, Eraser, Face/Off, Die Hard, Under Seige, Broken Arrow, Lethal Weapon etc;??!?!

They've been replaced by PG-13 wannabe action movies where people don't die or bleed, there's no visit to the stripclub and the worst swear word they use is "shit". I don't know about you but I am sick of it! We need more 80's style shoot-em-ups with wise cracking cops and evil foreigners rated R for strong violence!

I wish time travel was real because I'd send Rob Cohen and Vin Diesel back to the prehistoric ages and then I'd bring 80's prime Arnie, Sly and Bruce into the modern times and show the new generation how action movies are made!

So if some big shot Hollywood exec happens to read this, I pray he gives John Woo, Steven E. de Souza, Joel Silver and a handful of young future action stars (i.e. Jason Statham) and a hard R rating and MAKE US A REAL ACTION MOVIE!

[SykkBoy]

PREACH ON!

I was just commenting the same thing to my wife....

I want big explosions, lots of profanity and trippers who actually get at least partially nude...I'm so tired of stripclub scenes where the strips don't even take their clothes off!

This is why I weclomed Bad Boys 2 with open arms, it was loud, rude, crude, funny and shit blew up real good.

How come we can't get another hard-R movie like 48 Hours or any of Arnie's 80's "classics"?

I love and artsy fartsy movie and foriegn flicks as much as they next movie geek, but sometimes I just want to see shit get bown up.

It's like the watered down "teen comedies" and "gross out comedies" that focused too much on the gross out and not enough on the gratuitous nudity (I'm a child of the Porky's movie generation damnit, I want boobs with my dog poo eating goofballs....)


Sorry to take off on a rant of my own in your rant thread, Adornado, but you started a thread I almost started myself...

now I'm off to write a screenplay called "some Big Dude Blows Shit Up, Sees Tits and Says Something Funny While Killing the Bad Gu" and I might even write a sequel after I finish the first rough draft!

[Mog]

I almost shed a tear when you mentioned Face/Off. These days I feel like the only one who LOVES that movie.

C'MON JOHN WOO! GET YOUR ASS BACK INTO GEAR. LIKEOLDSCHOOL!

[SykkBoy]

EDIT -
argh
freaking duplicate posts

[Duke Nukem]

I think that there have been less R-rated action movies lately, because of 9/11 three years ago. I remember how, in fall 2001, when a lot of questionable movies like the Arnold Schwartzenegger's "Colateral Damage," were held back until 2002. Until "Bad Boys II" came along, that was the last big action movie we got. I would also say "Terminator 3," but I don't knowif you'd count that out for having science-fiction elements about it.

I think its time that Hollywood moves on from the state of America is in, and go back to those loud, violent action movies we cherished years a few years ago. I don't think that people are checking to make sure that their American flags are hanging up anymore (not that I'm suggesting an anti-America thing or anything). People have moved on from and are either loving or hating how our country is dealing with terrorism and so on (not that I want to get political either). Bring back LOUD, VIOLENT, and EXPLOSIVE action movies back! NOW!!

[syxxpac]

Duke Nukem, your name reminds me how much we really, really need a Duke Nukem adaptation to resurrect the aforementioned genre. I mean, he kills aliens (and they're foreigners the last time I checked), visits strip clubs, is bursting with heavy artillery and muscles, and cracks plenty of off-color one-liners.

"Aw...Does it hurt?"

:D

[Scarface98.9]

I wholeheartedly agree with this rant. I want more 80's violent action movies. No cheese, but nudity, violence, death, and everything else in the package. Showing a huge action scene where people are shot and no blood is anywhere in sight gets me more distracted than if it were. Bad Boys 2 may've been hated, but I loved that it went all out in chaos, violence, and blissful R-rated mayhem. May mean I'm a masochist, but dammit, I miss the good ol' days

[Shockwave]

Indeed! This is an exellent rant.

The last action movie made with a dash of violence was T3 thatwound up really good, and even that couldve used alot more.

I fit would have shown the people gettign shot by the TX it would have lent alot to the scenes.

Kill Bill and Freddy vrs Jason are also exellent examples of awesome action done right.

[echo_bravo]

Oh come on guys, didnt you all see 2 Fast 2 Furious? Paul Walker and Tyrese are the next Arnold and Sly


Just fuckin with ya!!!:D


Yeah I totally argee with all of you.

We definitely need more "hard R" action movies.

Part of the problem is that studios kind of shy away from R rated summer flicks because they feel that there will be such a loss in profit.
Which is complete puss shit if you ask me.

[bmain77]

Originally posted by Scarface98.9
I wholeheartedly agree with this rant. I want more 80's violent action movies. No cheese, but nudity, violence, death, and everything else in the package. Showing a huge action scene where people are shot and no blood is anywhere in sight gets me more distracted than if it were. Bad Boys 2 may've been hated, but I loved that it went all out in chaos, violence, and blissful R-rated mayhem. May mean I'm a masochist, but dammit, I miss the good ol' days

Scarface hit on key element though. No cheese. Thats why I hesitate to get 100% behind this rant. Yes I agree there were some epic blowing shit up movies back in the day, but there was some absolute shit big time during the 80's. This might get me blasted here, but I popped in my old VHS of Commando the other day and holy shit I couldn't believe how cheesy that movie was. I loved it to death as a kid, but man it hasn't aged well at all. And Blind Fury starring Rutger Hauer was on the other night. I wanted to blind myself with his sword less than 15 minutes into it.

That being said I miss things like the first Beverly Hills Cop 1 and 2, 48 hrs, Predator, Red Dawn (great great flick), Rambo II, T1 and T2 plus a few more but my mind is blanking on me at the moment.

Face Off, Bad Boys I/II, The Rock, T3, Con Air (sort of) are about the only decent films since the mid 90's that jump to mind that fit into this category. I'm sure I left a couple good ones out.

I've like a lot other action flicks, but it seems like all try to add some romantic angle or too much humor recently. Don't get me started on The Fast and the Furious (which I liked) style flicks that we've been bombarded with of late.

[bmain77]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
Part of the problem is that studios kind of shy away from R rated summer flicks because they feel that there will be such a loss in profit.
Which is complete puss shit if you ask me.

I wonder if this isn't because theaters are getting stricter about letting underage kids in and stuff. Back in the day we never got id when going to rated r movies. The only movie i was ever kept form seeing was a special halloween showing of the Faces of Death. And even then they let us all in to see The Program instead which was rated R. I think it's not until the last few years that theaters have really cracked down on those under 18. I honestly can't they that displeases me too much, but then again if thats part of the reason why Hollywood is letting less blood be shed then maybe it's not worth it.

[Scarface98.9]

Originally posted by Shockwave


The last action movie made with a dash of violence was T3 thatwound up really good, and even that couldve used alot more.

I fit would have shown the people gettign shot by the TX it would have lent alot to the scenes.

To me, T3 felt more like it was going for the PG-13 rating, but ended up with an R. There's really not a lot of violence in it. Sure, people get killed, but it's mainly bloodless and tame. Pretty much kindergarden compared to movies like Kill Bill or the average R rated Michael Bay movie

[Badbird]

Yeah, R rated movie don't make money.

Just like Gladiator, T3, The Matrix 1, 2 and 3, Bad Boys 2, Saving Private Ryan, The Rock, Man of Fire, Troy, The Last Samurai, and The Passion of Christ totally didn't make any money.

In 1992, 13 of the top 20 grossers were rated R. 2002, not a single R rated movie in the top 20.

On the flip side, I think there've been several PG13 movies that were fully deserving of R ratings (Minority Report, Die Another Day, King Arthur to name three), but more hard R is definately needed. Bad Boys 2 was the hardest R rating I've seen since, well, The Rock.

It's not cause of 9/11. Go back farther. It's because of Columbine. That was when the whole youth/violence controversy really hit the fan. Hollywood got scared of violence and was worried that the government would come down on them for promoting adult material to minors. (Which they were already dealing with a great deal because of all the teen slasher movies appealing to teens.) It was around that time when the whole scale neutering of action movies began.

Part of the blame could also be placed on Titanic. If PG13 = $600 million, then I'm gonna make a PG13 movie too. Why else would Jerry Bruckheimer - The King of R Rated Action Movies - make Armageddon PG13? Because everyone wanted the next Titanic. Seriously, before then, JB never released anything less than R. Since then he's done it several times.

PG13 movies are just making too much money. Have you seen the grosses coming in since 2001? The numbers are ungodly. Movies are making so much so fast that we may never go back.

[Shockwave]

To me, T3 felt more like it was going for the PG-13 rating, but ended up with an R. There's really not a lot of violence in it. Sure, people get killed, but it's mainly bloodless and tame. Pretty much kindergarden compared to movies like Kill Bill or the average R rated Michael Bay movie

Thats how i felt as well Scarface, if not for the scene where she puts her fist thru the guys chest and drives the car with it, and with the omission of a cuss word or two, i think it could have easily got that rating.

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Thats how i felt as well Scarface, if not for the scene where she puts her fist thru the guys chest and drives the car with it, and with the omission of a cuss word or two, i think it could have easily got that rating.

I'm glad it stayed, though.

It's part of T3's magic :D

[Shockwave]

Yeah, i agree totaly. A PG-13 Terminator just wouldnt be right no matter how u look at it.

[SykkBoy]

I'm still pissed about the PG13 Judge Dredd and Spawn movies and am trying REALLY hard to forget about the dogshit PG13 Rollerball........

I don't mind PG13 movies, but a couple more Hard-R's wouldn't hurt......

something I just thought about is maybe studios like releasing PG13 movies so that they can release a "director's Cut" DVD along with the "theaterical version" and increase sales that way.....

[Adornado]

Originally posted by Scarface98.9
Bad Boys 2 may've been hated, but I loved that it went all out in chaos, violence, and blissful R-rated mayhem. May mean I'm a masochist, but dammit, I miss the good ol' days

Agreed, I thought Bad Boys 2 was a wicked movie...nearly three hours of gunfights, explosions and car chases = :cool: in my books.

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by SykkBoy
I'm still pissed about the PG13 Judge Dredd and Spawn movies and am trying REALLY hard to forget about the dogshit PG13 Rollerball........



Judge Dredd was rated R.

Some other fairly recent R rated action films include Collateral Damage, The Hunted, Swordfish, Narc, The Way of the Gun, Shaft, Kiss of the Dragon, Romeo Must Die, Get Carter, The Kill Bill movies.

We have a pretty decent amount. So I don't really see the need to complain.

[echo_bravo]

Badbird, thats what I was saying.

Sure R rated movies have the ability to make shit loads of money BUT with a PG 13 movie it is much more of a sure thing.

If Gladitor or The Martix were PG 13, you could definitely add 70 million dollars in profits to each one of them.

[Shockwave]

If Gladitor or The Martix were PG 13, you could definitely add 70 million dollars in profits to each one of them.

I doubt it.

The rating doesnt help NEARLY as much as some people like to think. In some cases a R rating can actualy help a movie out a great deal.

[Badbird]

I was being sarcastic.

I do think the R rating helped Swordfish. After all, even Joel Silver admits that Halle Berry's tits may have added $5 million to the gross.

[Backstabba]

Im going to go see king arthur, even though I have been dying to see it, I wish it had a "R" rating. I heard Fuqua was mad that he had to make it pg-13, Oh well, It'll come out on a "R" rating dvd.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
Judge Dredd was rated R.

Some other fairly recent R rated action films include Collateral Damage, The Hunted, Swordfish, Narc, The Way of the Gun, Shaft, Kiss of the Dragon, Romeo Must Die, Get Carter, The Kill Bill movies.

We have a pretty decent amount. So I don't really see the need to complain.

whoops, right
maybe it just sucked so bad and seemed so bland that I thought it was PG13...

[bigred760]

Originally posted by Mog
I almost shed a tear when you mentioned Face/Off. These days I feel like the only one who LOVES that movie.


Trust me, you're not alone.

[Squid Vicious]

I think the rant should be GIMME MORE GOOD R RATED ACTION MOVIES instead of just GIMME MORE R RATED ACTION MOVIES. 'Cause there have been plenty of R-rated action movies in the past few years, but it's just that most of them have been shitty.