Erase Horror movie from Existence!!!

[rogelioduron]

I you could just "ERASE" a horror movie from existence cause it´s so darn bad that you´d prefert for it to have never existed which one would you erase:

1.-Blair Witch 2: Book Of Shadows: It could have been done better.
2.-Friday the 13 part 5: The New Beginnin
3.-The one of Kevin Williamson and Katie Holmes and brianwashing kids "Disturbing Behavior"

Damn i could go on and on...

[XpatrickX]

ft13th 5 is the best of the series..


Cabin Fever..
Bloody Murder series..
Head Cheerleader, Dead Cheerleader..
Shredder..
Splatter University..
Voyeur.com..
Ginger Snaps series..
feardotcom..

but yeah those are some of the worst movies/series i can think of right now. all things that nearly ruin my love for movies. :D

[Khain]

Just Blair Witch Project.
It's not about being the worst horror movie I've ever seen (cause it's not), it's just that I couldn't stand the buzz around this piece of crap. So it would do me good if this had never existed.

[adamjohnson]

Scream. Because then there would be a domino effect, and we wouldnt have all these damn shitty ass teen slasher films that like to call themselves 'scary.

[Cronos]

Cabin Fever
Horror remakes

id also have to go with scream for the same reason as adamjohnson, if that film wasnt made we wouldnt have all these shitty teen slasher flicks

[ParileseMonster]

Yeah Scream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate that movie, I fucking hate it, I hate that fucking movie!!! I hate all that spawned from it, I even hate the early 80's movie Scream and I hate Drainiac, and AXE Em and all that other stupid shit! Hey if it is stupid and funny that is one thing but when 90 minutes feels like 3 hours then you know it fucking sucks!

[ComeNightfall]

I totally agree with Scream and BWP, for the reasons you all said. Also, the Halloweens after II, even though I kinda dug III just because of the turns kids into killers plot. Finally, Ragdoll and The Haunting remake, which was crap and not needed.

[Duke Nukem]

How about "Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers"? Think about it, if a better fourth sequel was made, the H-series might be doing better now. And, even if there were no more H-sequels after Michael's return, the series would still be better respected. And, to top it off, whether a fifth H-movie was made or not, the series still would have been in a better situation after H4 made up after the belated H3.

[C-Desecration-]

Scream. Because then there would be a domino effect, and we wouldnt have all these damn shitty ass teen slasher films that like to call themselves 'scary.

id also have to go with scream for the same reason as adamjohnson, if that film wasnt made we wouldnt have all these shitty teen slasher flicks



Oh for christ's sake, there weren't THAT many copycats. What, I know what you did last summer, urban legend, valentine? Come on.
Most of these shitty teen slashers you guys are probably talking about are actually copycats of halloween or friday . . .

[Duke Nukem]

Another thing. Are all of you suggesting Scream, just because it spawned inferior teeney bopper horror flicks? If you liked the movie and you go ahead and suggest it be "erased" from existence just for that, you are being hypocritical. If you don't like the domino effect that followed the success of Scream, just erase the Scream "dominoes" that followed.

[ParileseMonster]

Ha!!! I never liked Scream, I have always fucking hated it and I will never be hypocritical where that fucking piece of shit is ever concerned! There shall be no Scream screenings in my house, there shall be no Scream movies or merchandise in my home ever or there will be some violence done by my hands yeeeehehhehehehehhe!:D
(I do suspect my husband of having the score cd's but he keeps them hidden and my ears do not ever hear them because he knows better damnit!)

[Duke Nukem]

I was referring to anyone but you Parlise, my dear. I'm well aware that you hate Scream (could your freaky avator be anymore obvious?!?!). You are anything BUT hypocritical with your feelings toward Scream and other Scream knock-offs. I was just asking the other schmoes...which I'll ask again.

You other schmoes suggesting that Scream be "erased" for starting the Scream knockoffs from 1996-2001 fad...if you enjoyed the movie but prefer that it be "erased" for its knockoffs, you are being hypocritical. All you have to do is "erase" the Scream knockoffs.

[ParileseMonster]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
I was referring to anyone but you Parilese, my dear. I'm well aware that you hate Scream (could your freaky avator be anymore obvious?!?!). You are anything BUT hypocritical with your feelings toward Scream and other Scream knock-offs.

Hey that avatar is my Mama!!!:D

[horror junkie]

i would definitely erase feardotcom and all of those crappy
c-grade horror movies u see at blockbuster

[rogelioduron]

Originally posted by ParileseMonster
Ha!!! I never liked Scream, I have always fucking hated it and I will never be hypocritical where that fucking piece of shit is ever concerned! There shall be no Scream screenings in my house, there shall be no Scream movies or merchandise in my home ever or there will be some violence done by my hands yeeeehehhehehehehhe!:D
(I do suspect my husband of having the score cd's but he keeps them hidden and my ears do not ever hear them because he knows better damnit!)


As i started this thread i though about SCREAM..bus as I Loved alot of Parliese´s posts i´d have to differs from you honey this time.
I like Scream..and i know it was not as great as a horror classic but you guys should see that didn´t just spawned a lot of crappy shit but it also gave HUGE INVESTOR the opportunity to spend their moneyt on the genere and it got a bust of interest form the media that was forgetting about it since i don´t recall when..so that´s what i appreciate of Scream, That it opened the door for movie companies to spend their bucks, and independent cinema as well to do genere stuff again cause Horror would sell...it may sound stupid to some but that´s the way i see it.

I´d definately ERASE the:
-Candyman Sequels
-Chucky 3
-Wishmaster Sequels
-Hellraiser 4 and 5 and 6 and 7.......

[Frank the Tank]

I agree with Blair Witch Project because first it's a piece of shit movie that had a lot of bullshit hype and second the whole true story horror mini genre with shit like The Last Broadcast, The St. Francisville Experiment, the TV show fear, as well as Halloween Ressurection and the many terrible parodies would never have happened.

[TheDeadWalk]

The only mainstreamer I can think of worth erasing is Feardotcom.

Other than that, if you want to see some real stupid shit, try watching "555". It'll make Scream and any overrated and hated movie look like pure genius.

[Cronos]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
You other schmoes suggesting that Scream be "erased" for starting the Scream knockoffs from 1996-2001 fad...if you enjoyed the movie but prefer that it be "erased" for its knockoffs, you are being hypocritical. All you have to do is "erase" the Scream knockoffs.

actually i dont think its a very good film, i wasnt at all impressed with it and dont see what the big deal about it was so thats partly why id erase it, all the knockoffs would be a kinda bonus

[Khain]

Oh yeah, I join all of you on the Quest for the annihilation of Scream, for the same reasons I gave for Blair Witch.

I don't know about the domino effect, but at least that will make three pieces of crap disappear.

[Murderous Squad]

I wouldn't erase the whole movie but i'd erase the animal cruelty in the cannibal films.

[Xipe Totec]

I don`t want to start a fight or anything and definitely don`t want to insult anyone, but I seriously don`t like this thread, because it`s a little stupid IMHO. I wouldn`t destroy a single film. What`s done is done. If I don`t like a movie, then I just ignore it. I just look at it this way - think of how many of our beloved horror classics wouldn´t exist today if some people had the oportunity of destroying them completely just because they didn`t like them. Horror fans especially should understand that. For me it`s the same as for example throwing my sisters drawing into fire just because I think it`s boring or crappy or whatever. I don`t even want to imagine something like "what if..."

[!MorganOnyx!]

I agree. We wouldn't appreciate the better horror movies if there weren't shit ones lurking about.

I do find it very amusing that people out there hate SCREAM.

If SCREAM was never made, it's quite possible that the horror movie industry would STILL be in a severe decline. After the 80's horror movies took a major backseat! Whether or not it spawned a FEW imitations, it still shed the light for plenty of other horror movies - movies that probably would never have been given the green light if SCREAM han't have been such a success. For that reason alone, horror movie fans should respect it at least.

Tell me how many decent horror films were made between 1990 and 1996. Boy the nineties were STRUGGLING!!!:rolleyes:

[killuminati003]

!MorganOnyx!, and Xipe Totec both have excellant points. i wouldnt erase any movie if i had the chance. for starters, im sure at leaste one person out there liked it, and plus, havent any of you ever seen the Butterfly Effect? what if, when you erased that so called sucky movie, you changed the outcome of horror as we know it. if you erased an older movie, then a bunch of the newer ones that we all love would not be here. if we erased Friday the 13th 5, then the series wouldve stopped at 4, Jason wouldnt be the pop icon he is today, and Freddy Vs Jason would have never been. the list of this "butterfly effect" can go on and on and on.....

[skweemkween]

1. Showgirls

[Nekroman]

Oh god, there are so many that suck more than a $1000 whore. Irreversible (I know, I know!), Deep Red, Scream, Gore-Met: Zombie Chef from Hell, Robo Vampire, Grim, and too many others to list here. There are bad movies, as was mentioned, that ARE fun to watch because the shitty quality is what makes them fun (Turkish Star Wars is the pefect example) but then you have ones like these ones that are so outlandishly dull and boring that you're tempted to watch golf for more excitement.

[Murderous Squad]

Originally posted by Nekroman
Oh god, there are so many that suck more than a $1000 whore. Irreversible (I know, I know!), Deep Red, Scream, Gore-Met: Zombie Chef from Hell, Robo Vampire, Grim, and too many others to list here. There are bad movies, as was mentioned, that ARE fun to watch because the shitty quality is what makes them fun (Turkish Star Wars is the pefect example) but then you have ones like these ones that are so outlandishly dull and boring that you're tempted to watch golf for more excitement.

Deep Red was alright but Xipe Totec and !MorganOnyx! in all honesty you wouldn't erase the torture scenes in the cannibal films?? Not the whole movei but just those scenes...

[Cronos]

Originally posted by !MorganOnyx!
We wouldn't appreciate the better horror movies if there weren't shit ones lurking about.

very good point, i hadnt thought of that, if there werent crap films you couldnt call a film great as there is nothing to compare it to

[ComeNightfall]

This is a hypothetical thread meant to be all in fun. What's so wrong with that?

[the dead one]

Originally posted by skweemkween
1. Showgirls


2. Maid in Manhattan:p

[Labbla]

Mine are....

1) Friday the 13th 5 and 8

2) Nightmare on Elm street 6

3) Star Wars Episodes 1 and 2

4) the Star Wars Special Editions

5) Troll 2

6) Beyond Reanimator

7) Most movies that they show on the Sci-Fi channel

8) Halloween 2-8

9) Candyman sequels

10) all Hellraiser sequels besides 2

11) Tremors 2-4 and TV series

12) A hefty chunk of Godzilla movies

[ParileseMonster]

Originally posted by ComeNightfall
This is a hypothetical thread meant to be all in fun. What's so wrong with that?

Exactly, you know some people would like to escape reality sometimes and daydream. There is no law that says we all have to live strictly on a serious basis 24/7. I would love to live in a world without Scream and no I shall never respect it because I feel it did not do shit to the genre.:D

[the dead one]

I have to agree with the P'Monster here...
I dont see any harm in this!

Would it HELP if the thread was called;
"A List Of Movies You Can Do Without" ?:rolleyes:

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by ParileseMonster
Exactly, you know some people would like to escape reality sometimes and daydream. There is no law that says we all have to live strictly on a serious basis 24/7. I would love to live in a world without Scream and no I shall never respect it because I feel it did not do shit to the genre.:D

Just for the sake of interest, what do you think IS causing the upswing in horror? It seems that more people are watching it and buying tickets for the shows than as a schmoe said from 1990-1996.

I mean you could argue to a point that it was the MTV influence in all of the films, not just one film persay, but on a given timeline I think 1998 would be the marker where people put a stamp called "The Scream Generation".

I'm not debating semantics here, but as in actual "fan upswing".

(This does have to do with the topic.)

[rogelioduron]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
Just for the sake of interest, what do you think IS causing the upswing in horror? It seems that more people are watching it and buying tickets for the shows than as a schmoe said from 1990-1996.

I mean you could argue to a point that it was the MTV influence in all of the films, not just one film persay, but on a given timeline I think 1998 would be the marker where people put a stamp called "The Scream Generation".

I'm not debating semantics here, but as in actual "fan upswing".

(This does have to do with the topic.)

"The Scream Generation" Exists all right....i knew it cause after the forementioned movie in an interview George A. Romero one of the founding fathers of our cool genere said:
"My daughter asked me after watching this new trendy killer movies: Hey dad....can you show me some really scary movies?"
and he surely introduced her to his world...so in this case you see that "TSG" helped young people to turn into Minor Shmoes and begin their way into cool Horror.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by rogelioduron
"The Scream Generation" Exists all right....i knew it cause after the forementioned movie in an interview George A. Romero one of the founding fathers of our cool genere said:
"My daughter asked me after watching this new trendy killer movies: Hey dad....can you show me some really scary movies?"
and he surely introduced her to his world...so in this case you see that "TSG" helped young people to turn into Minor Shmoes and begin their way into cool Horror.

Ahh, so you believe that Scream was a portal for the younger generation to be able to dip into the classics?

I only ask because at first I thought maybe Romero's daughter didn't like the film and said Dad can you show me some REALLY scary movies, seeing as perhaps she didn't think "the aforementioned movie" was scary at all. (or good)

[rogelioduron]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
Ahh, so you believe that Scream was a portal for the younger generation to be able to dip into the classics?

I only ask because at first I thought maybe Romero's daughter didn't like the film and said Dad can you show me some REALLY scary movies, seeing as perhaps she didn't think "the aforementioned movie" was scary at all. (or good)

Exactly..you´re correct sir.
It made as a portal for young viewers into the classic´s..i mean..i think each and everyone of us have a single story on how we got HOOKED on horror, as a child i began with Jaws...The Roger Corman flicks...and Ghostbusters....so you see..then i developed a hunger for horror and got sinked deep into the HBO´s Tales from the Crypt Uncut and Tales from the Darlside..and Poltergeist and that´s the way to begin....

So if young people started off with SCREAM i don´t blame them cause there was no Nightmare on elm street at the movie theater or something else that got a huge trend on their time so they had to begin there.

[!MorganOnyx!]

MURDEROUS SQUAD -

I suppose I would extract the animal cruelty scenes from specific films, but have never actually seen any REAL cruelty. All the films I know that involve this kind of torture are cut.

As for the other discussion I truly believe that SCREAM introduced youngsters to the horror movie world. It was a massive film, and you couldn't go anywhere without people talking about it. If these youngsters liked it, they would've been interested in the horror genre from that point on. If they hated it, they may have wondered what the fuss was all about - but that may have inspired them to find some "real" horror movies, like the ones you SCREAM-haters are talking about. :cool:

[EvilDeadGirl]

FearDotCom
Darkness Falls
House of 1000 Corpses
Scream


BTW I happen to enjoy the BWP but to each his/her own. :)

[Xipe Totec]

Originally posted by ComeNightfall
This is a hypothetical thread meant to be all in fun. What's so wrong with that?
I think there`s nothing really wrong with having a thread like that, maybe it`s just me, but to me saying you`d erase a movie from existence is a little too harsh. Fun can be had in many ways. By imagining killing someones grandfather for example (yeah, I know these things can`t be compared, but the sentence needs some exaggeration). My point is, with that kind of fun sooner or later someone`s feelings are gonna get hurt and it will turn from an intelligent discussion into a fight. I, for example, cannot imagine why the Blair Witch movies deserve such hatred. I love both of them and honestly for me they were a couple of the scariest movies I have ever seen. Yes, the sequel too.

The reason I love Arrow`s boards so much, is because of the intelligent conversation. Other boards I have seen go in the lines of:

Post 1:
This movie was THE BEST MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN. The soundtrack was just so cool. Much better than "...".

Post 2:
I have never seen such shit before. THE WORST MOVIE EVER. Everybody who liked that movie have to be complete idiots. I would hang myself if I ever made a movie like that. If my sister liked perversed shit like that I`d send a bullet to her head.

Now, these examples might seem exaggerated (sp?), but they were almost exact quotes of what I`ve read in the internet. While posting on a thread like that you have almost no other way than taking sides and pushing your views to the extreme or otherwise no one would even notice your post.

Though here the discossions heat up from time to time, they remain intelligent and there is always some sort of sense in them and the statements don´t go into such extremes. It`s just that whenever I see a post that pushes it a little into extreme ("it is the best movie of all time" "I`d burn the original negative of the film if I`d get my hands on it", etc) I get all these mixed emotions. IMO it`s not possible to have any constructive discussion somewhere where people are immediately taking sides and trying to hurt the other side as much as possible. With this thread I just sensed some tention building up.

I think it`s about time to stop writing this post, before I start contradicting myself. I seem to have a habbit of doing that. :)

[HorrorIsMyGod]

Halloween 4 is the best in the series! PERIOD. I can't believe people think this should have been better. The Halloween Franchise was saved by this sequel after the third sequel all but buried the series! Secondly, Scream was the one movie that caused a renewed craving for horror in youths. The statements claiming that it caused a frenzy of copycats is insane. Blame Hollywood for those clones! :mad:

[Khain]

Originally posted by Xipe Totec


Post 1:
This movie was THE BEST MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN. The soundtrack was just so cool. Much better than "...".

Post 2:
I have never seen such shit before. THE WORST MOVIE EVER. Everybody who liked that movie have to be complete idiots. I would hang myself if I ever made a movie like that. If my sister liked perversed shit like that I`d send a bullet to her head.

Now, these examples might seem exaggerated (sp?), but they were almost exact quotes of what I`ve read in the internet.

Not excessive at all, I sometimes wander on the IMDb boards, and am still amazed by the "discussion" there. Even if I haven't been here for a long time, at least I have read nice reviews, discovered some movies and read some interesting opinions.

Can't see what's wrong with this thread, tough.
Saying "What's the movie you hate most" or "Which movie do you wanna erase from creation" means quite the same, the latter is just more harsh. Well, it's an horror board, I guess it's not that shocking.

[!MorganOnyx!]

Originally posted by HorrorIsMyGod
Halloween 4 is the best in the series! PERIOD. I can't believe people think this should have been better. The Halloween Franchise was saved by this sequel after the third sequel all but buried the series! Secondly, Scream was the one movie that caused a renewed craving for horror in youths. The statements claiming that it caused a frenzy of copycats is insane. Blame Hollywood for those clones! :mad:


HALLOWEEN 4 IS the THIRD SEQUEL in the series, after HALLOWEEN 2 and THE SEASON OF THE WITCH. You say you love it one minute but say it "buried" the series the next?!!

Make up your damn mind yo!!! ;)

[jagged halo]

I've never heard of a film titled Halloween 4, come to think of it what is all this talk of parts 5,6,7,and 8??. :D :D :D

[Inglorious]

Originally posted by EvilDeadGirl
House of 1000 Corpses

Amen!!

What a piece-of-shit!

[ParileseMonster]

I refuse to give Scream any credit weather it deserves it or not. It started out good and then it fell apart. The characters were stupid and the whole horror movie copcat/spoof element just pissed me off and the ending fell apart. Those two boys were so retarded. This movie is just something that depresses the shit out of me.
A better movie could have been made, a better movie could have reached the kids and a better movie could have changed it all. A few of you have said that Scream turned kids on to other horror. Well I have heard more than a few kids put down older horror and overfucking used the It Sucks phrase. Then people would say Scream was better than Halloween and stuff like that and that is when I knew I hated this movie and what it did to young minds.
Why should I respect this shit, if you put down my generation of movies. That is just it, the age you know. I firmly believe that they do not make movies like they used to and that Scream turned the genre as I new it into shit and it spawned other shit like a damn toad in a summer pool!
That is not to say there has not been good movies, but to me those were as rare as a diamond in a coal mine.
I am nostalgic and I miss the way the horror genre used to be and how it made me felt as a fan. I am very dissapointed in it now, it has become crap to me.
So, I wish for the world to be without Scream and I wish to go into a time machine and return to the 80's for a good ten years, I shall never see again. :confused:
This is all I am saying about this shitty movie for now.
Back on Topic, I think the world could have done without C.H.U.D. 2 Bud The Chud:D

[countchocula]

Originally posted by ParileseMonster
A few of you have said that Scream turned kids on to other horror. Well I have heard more than a few kids put down older horror and overfucking used the It Sucks phrase. Then people would say Scream was better than Halloween and stuff like that and that is when I knew I hated this movie and what it did to young minds.

Those kids wouldn't have been horror freaks with or without Scream. Why castigate a film for its inadvertent effect on the genre? Halloween did the exact same thing. Don't you think that there were more than a few teenagers in 1979 who felt that anything made from 1930 to 1950 was shit by default? I doubt that Wes Craven and Kevin Williamson set out to ignite a trend.

[the dead one]

An interesting thing about films is that, they can evoke certain emotions or a response in all of us. Even though it is seen as a form of entertainment, films can actually enlighten us, educate as well as a million other possibilities. The horror genre can make us all to aware, of the darker things that exist in the world around us. I find that to be a very fascinating prospect, exploring the darker impulses of us all. Down through the history of films, each generation has their time.

For me it was the latter 60’s into the 70’s, I consider myself very fortunate to have grown up during that era. Mainly because I was at what I call the Ground Zero Renaissance of the genre, I had grown up with the late night “Creature Features” and a plethora of the grand ole’ “Horror Show Hosts”. I came to appreciate the films from the 50’s and 60’s; the salad days of horror films. Back then; it was the old dark house, witches, vampires, giant bugs and so on. It wasn’t until 1970 that my world was about to change, when I 1st came to see “Night of the Living Dead”. There was never anything film like this at that time, as most of you are aware it was a landmark film, it changed the course of the genre forever. It was bold and pulled no punches for this ten-year-old kid, I was scared shitless!

Since then, the genre has gone through so many changes, highs and lows.
Like anything else, they changed with times. Horror became more aggressive, with the filmmakers who followed, always striving to push the envelope further. It is no surprise that, years later with every new generation, horror films still held their own. They are still as popular as ever, I can only be grateful for that. But, horror films have gone through varied transitional phases. Independents thrived in the 80’s; it wasn’t too difficult for any up and coming filmmaker or anyone with a track record to get someone to invest a million dollars. Knowing that the filmmaker wasn’t going to go out and spend it on a car or what have you. But, over the years with the end of the 80’s into the early 90’s it was becoming increasingly difficult to get anyone to invest in a horror film. It is kind of like the mom and pops video stores that started to fall by the wayside, due to the increasing number of corporate chains like Blockbuster.

The horror film was becoming an endangered species at the box office, thanks to the big studios that refused to invest in one. It was the age of PC (Political Correctness), that was the almost certain death knell for this genre that we all have come to love. There were those who felt that Horror films were largely responsible for the many ills in our society, which I find completely absurd. Not one major studio wanted to be associated with the genre, but the hypocrisy of it all came in the latter 90’s with the release of “Scream”. It was hailed by critics and fans alike as a wonderful homage to the genre of horror, what really kills me is the fact that the studios crowed that they somehow revived the horror genre. Coming from the very same studio system that shunned it for many years, it was almost laughable. With the age of technology moving forward into the computer age, fans alike share their opinions and love of their personal favorites that they grew up with. The down side seems to be that, many of us have this constant battle over which generation films are better or worse. When I was younger not one adult could ever convince me that the older generation of films were as good or as powerful as what I was growing up with. The more things change the more they remain the same, however since then I began to re-explore those grand classics from the 30’s and 40’s. I have come to this realization that you really become more aware of how great those films really are and were. They are timeless and still to this day withstand the test of time; Universal and other studios were actually making their own groundbreaking films for that time period. Now, that I am in my 40’s I realize how important they really were.

Looking back, I know now how wrong I was too quick to dismiss the older generation of films. I just wasn’t aware that I was too young to really understand, feelings that I was incapable of having at that time when I was a kid. Today I have a better understanding of the classics of the past; I just feel that it’s something natural that happens with age and maturity. You really become more aware and have a greater understanding about depth and meaning within each film. The generation gap between each decade has grown ever wider; scream is popular with the crowd that it was geared toward. Which is fine, and makes perfect sense for today’s teens.

I do understand where the ParileseMonster is coming from, but if we are to better understand each other we have to remember that for each generation it is different. I don’t think that a film like Wrong Turn, will ever be as good as the films of my generation which it is trying to emulate. No, I don’t think that there ever will be a solution to this problem or maybe it’s not a problem. Maybe its because I’m an old fashioned traditionalist, either way it is very interesting just the same!

[rogelioduron]

The Dead One i salute you!!!

Im totally speechless, i just want to say i loved what you mentioned on your post and post´s like these remind me why do i spend at least 2 hours everynight on this message board.

I can proudly say you inspired me and a lot of real horror shmoes on maturing in the way of watching films and in our way of seeing things.

Thank you.

[jagged halo]

Originally posted by the dead one
An interesting thing about films is that, they can evoke certain emotions or a response in all of us. Even though it is seen as a form of entertainment, films can actually enlighten us, educate as well as a million other possibilities. The horror genre can make us all to aware, of the darker things that exist in the world around us. I find that to be a very fascinating prospect, exploring the darker impulses of us all. Down through the history of films, each generation has their time.

For me it was the latter 60’s into the 70’s, I consider myself very fortunate to have grown up during that era. Mainly because I was at what I call the Ground Zero Renaissance of the genre, I had grown up with the late night “Creature Features” and a plethora of the grand ole’ “Horror Show Hosts”. I came to appreciate the films from the 50’s and 60’s; the salad days of horror films. Back then; it was the old dark house, witches, vampires, giant bugs and so on. It wasn’t until 1970 that my world was about to change, when I 1st came to see “Night of the Living Dead”. There was never anything film like this at that time, as most of you are aware it was a landmark film, it changed the course of the genre forever. It was bold and pulled no punches for this ten-year-old kid, I was scared shitless!

Since then, the genre has gone through so many changes, highs and lows.
Like anything else, they changed with times. Horror became more aggressive, with the filmmakers who followed, always striving to push the envelope further. It is no surprise that, years later with every new generation, horror films still held their own. They are still as popular as ever, I can only be grateful for that. But, horror films have gone through varied transitional phases. Independents thrived in the 80’s; it wasn’t too difficult for any up and coming filmmaker or anyone with a track record to get someone to invest a million dollars. Knowing that the filmmaker wasn’t going to go out and spend it on a car or what have you. But, over the years with the end of the 80’s into the early 90’s it was becoming increasingly difficult to get anyone to invest in a horror film. It is kind of like the mom and pops video stores that started to fall by the wayside, due to the increasing number of corporate chains like Blockbuster.

The horror film was becoming an endangered species at the box office, thanks to the big studios that refused to invest in one. It was the age of PC (Political Correctness), that was the almost certain death knell for this genre that we all have come to love. There were those who felt that Horror films were largely responsible for the many ills in our society, which I find completely absurd. Not one major studio wanted to be associated with the genre, but the hypocrisy of it all came in the latter 90’s with the release of “Scream”. It was hailed by critics and fans alike as a wonderful homage to the genre of horror, what really kills me is the fact that the studios crowed that they somehow revived the horror genre. Coming from the very same studio system that shunned it for many years, it was almost laughable. With the age of technology moving forward into the computer age, fans alike share their opinions and love of their personal favorites that they grew up with. The down side seems to be that, many of us have this constant battle over which generation films are better or worse. When I was younger not one adult could ever convince me that the older generation of films were as good or as powerful as what I was growing up with. The more things change the more they remain the same, however since then I began to re-explore those grand classics from the 30’s and 40’s. I have come to this realization that you really become more aware of how great those films really are and were. They are timeless and still to this day withstand the test of time; Universal and other studios were actually making their own groundbreaking films for that time period. Now, that I am in my 40’s I realize how important they really were.

Looking back, I know now how wrong I was too quick to dismiss the older generation of films. I just wasn’t aware that I was too young to really understand, feelings that I was incapable of having at that time when I was a kid. Today I have a better understanding of the classics of the past; I just feel that it’s something natural that happens with age and maturity. You really become more aware and have a greater understanding about depth and meaning within each film. The generation gap between each decade has grown ever wider; scream is popular with the crowd that it was geared toward. Which is fine, and makes perfect sense for today’s teens.

I do understand where the ParileseMonster is coming from, but if we are to better understand each other we have to remember that for each generation it is different. I don’t think that a film like Wrong Turn, will ever be as good as the films of my generation which it is trying to emulate. No, I don’t think that there ever will be a solution to this problem or maybe it’s not a problem. Maybe its because I’m an old fashioned traditionalist, either way it is very interesting just the same!

Great post Deadone, I agree with pretty much everything you say.
One point I'd like to make; it's not difficult to understand why the big studios abandoned our beloved genre and then embraced it with open arms after the release of Scream. The bandwagon had firmly rolled in to town by then. It all boils down to money of course. Most if not all of todays major studio players reek of utter hypocrisy, it's far easier to spout hypocritical bullshit than to stand ones ground and defend the genre for what it is. Money talks......

[Khain]

Very nice post Dead One.
The same thing can be said about any form of art, I guess. There are many books I couldn't focus on when I was younger, some which don't interested me any more, and some I won't be able to understand and appreciate fully until I have some experience of life.

The difference between generations should make anyone share his/her taste with the others. I mean, I was digging Carpenter's movies when my father nailed me on a chair and make me sit through Browning's movies. Can't thank him enough for that :)

[rogelioduron]

I think that when someone like your father..mother..brother or etc.. share a moment with you and mostly in this case share the genere with you it´s something amazing..While my dad has always hated the fact that i have tons of Horror magazines...Not because theyre Horror but because i spend my money on Mags all the time and movie we have had some cool chats about HIS OLD TIMERS and Universal Classic..when he used to go and see dracula and Frankentein on the big screen and everyone was afraid.....good times with the family sharing horror memories.

When i have my kids i hope they appreciate my horror movie collection as i once read about a guy who shared it´s stuff with his young daughter and she loved horror too because of her pops...that makes me feel good.

By the way...im officially a Senior Shmoe...Im very proud..very proud.

[Mog]

I love Scream, and I will always hold it in high regards. Why? Because it's one of those movies that made me the person I am today. Yeah, sad, I know. But allow me to elaborate. I was 14 years old, and questions of what I wanted to be when I grew up suddenly plagued me. For a while I had wanted to be a stand-up comedian or a pilot, like my great uncle Wiley. But it never stuck around. I had this fascination with movies, but get this...I didn't really NOTICE it. It wasn't until I saw Scream, I noticed a character named Randy. I didn't know why at the time, but I thought this guy was the coolest. He knew his movies, so in my eyes he knew everything. After a long, long time and anticipation for Scream 2 I had realized something...I finally found out who I was. I was Movie Guy.

I know, I know...we can't really be defined by our interests...but I'm not saying that was my true character at the time...it was then that I realized that was my talent. It was my calling. I went through all these careers and occupations in my mind and the only thing that didn't make me fear the future...was making movies, watching movies, talking about movies, and maybe even occasionally reviewing movies.

It was my circle of friends that helped as well...they loved Scream as much as I did, and as we continued our interest in this movie, we decided to go further. We went from 70's to current (at the time) horror, and found our favorites. I can honestly say that Scream didn't just open me up to horror movies...but I was also challenged to dig deeper into OTHER genres. I can honestly say that if it weren't for Scream, I would've probably never had seen Ed Wood: my all-time FAVORITE movie.

I just recently watched Scream again, with my up-to-date sense of watching movies...and I have to say, as a movie it really is horrible to watch at moments. Why the hell was Ghostface stalking around in his costume IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY? That's just one of many stupid things I've noticed about it. And Nev's acting? I kept getting those shivers you get when you witness something really embarassing and you say to yourself "Oh my god I am so glad I'm not you."

But y'know what? I still love Scream, despite it's shitty plot and stupid overacting. I loved watching every second of it. And I know this may sound silly to a lot of you...and it isn't your guys' problem, it's mine. But I feel somewhat hurt when I hear people say that they wish they could erase it from existance. It's almost as if someone's saying "Man, JP's friend sucks. I wish we could erase him from existance."

Hello. I'm JP. And I am The Scream Generation.

Just 20 bucks short of purchasing the Scream Boxed Set. :)

[Bear]

Prom Night 4 goddammit!

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Scream. Because then there would be a domino effect, and we wouldnt have all these damn shitty ass teen slasher films that like to call themselves 'scary.
AMEN!

[ParileseMonster]

I am so glad, that I am not alone on that one!:D

[rogelioduron]

Originally posted by Mog
I love Scream, and I will always hold it in high regards. Why? I would've probably never had seen Ed Wood: my all-time FAVORITE movie.
Hello. I'm JP. And I am The Scream Generation.


Yah..There you go...that has proven my whole point.

Good for you son..i also felt good to be one day like geeky randy..and as a matter of fact now a days...i am...actually after scream i took a job at Blockbuster...Funny isn´t it.

[starcat]

well somebody looks scream...its still one of the top grossing horror films of all time.... plus, as mentioned above... when you went through the 90s horror draught scream was more than welcome...

movies i could do without: nightmare on elmstreet 6, slashers, killer tomatoes 3 and 4...

[X-Nightcrawler]

So much blasphemy on this thread!

-Ghost Ship
-Halloween: Resurrection

[the dead one]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
Ghost Ship!

What a turd in the swimming pool Ghost Ship was!
Sounds like the name of a 70's cover garage band!!!

[heavy!!!]

THE OTHERS... Fuck that unscary atmosphere lacking piece of shit!

Oh and fuck nicole kidman too (not in the nice way).

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by the dead one
What a turd in the swimming pool Ghost Ship was!
Sounds like the name of a 70's cover garage band!!! THANK YOU!

[Crow]

Scarecrow Slayer-the worst movie of all time,i havent seen Scarecrow or Scarcrow Gone Wild but there probaly just as bad.

[superbeast 79]

neon maniacs is a massive set of bollocks, one of the worst movie ive seen and ive seen quite a few.

[the dead one]

Originally posted by superbeast 79
neon maniacs is a massive set of bollocks, one of the worst movie ive seen and ive seen quite a few.

Anchor Bay has plans to release Neon Maniacs on DVD, but I wont be bothering with it myself.

[countchocula]

Originally posted by the dead one
Anchor Bay has plans to release Neon Maniacs on DVD, but I wont be bothering with it myself.

They already have. It's quite the "nothing" movie.