Alien vs. Predator

[Scarface98.9]

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As this movie comes out on the 13th, next Friday, what does everyone think of it? See it due to curiousity? Avoid it because of Paul Anderson and the PG-13? Discuss, post reviews, etc.

[bankholdup]

If it comes to my town, which I really doubt, I'll see it out of sure curiousity. It doesn't look good, but I've never seen Alien on the big screen, so I'll give it a shot.

[Sigur509]

I thinks it looks good. Dispite the PG-13 rating, I think Anderson can pull it off. I think.....

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

This movie's gonna kick all kinds of ass. It will NOT disappoint.

[sharkstank]

looks kick ass. cant wait
i hope the pg13 rating wont hamper the experience

WWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Strider]

The PG-13 rating is nothing short of a disappointment. Nevertheless, the film still looks pretty cool to me, and I think Paul Anderson can make it work. He pulled off a PG-13 Mortal Kombat flick, so that gives me a little hope.

Strider

[Korny]

I'm seeing this film on Tuesday Morning, i'll post a SMALL review. I can't wait

[pyscho dude]

After seeing the HBO first look I'm half and half about this movie. It does look cool but the PG-13 rating could ruin it.

[Adornado]

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I think this movie looks pretty cool. I enjoyed both Predator movies and Aliens (can't remember Ressurection and I haven't seen the others) so even if the movie isn't all that good it'll be fun seeing the Aliens and Predators face off. I don't think a PG-13 rating was a good idea (at least we should see the R-rated version on DVD) but hopefully the story, characters and action will be good enough to overlook the lack of blood and guts. Still, I don't see why it's rated PG-13 considering every movie in each series was rated R and from what I can remember out of the three movies I've seen...they earned their R rating! Oh well, I like Paul Anderson so hopefully he can pull this off.

[Cunning Visions]

So far the buzz, from the people who've seen it, is that it's Paul Anderson's worst film. Take that however you want.

Now I'm hoping the film will kick ass but for some reason I'm just getting a bad vibe about this one. I'll probably wait for DVD.

[Fisting Ackbar]

I must admit to having enjoyed some of Paul W.S. (what's with the damn initials?) Anderson's previous movies, and despite the PG-13 rating I'll probably end up checking it out. And as long as it's better than last year's VS. movie, I'll be satisfied.

[Scarface98.9]

Originally posted by Cunning Visions
So far the buzz, from the people who've seen it, is that it's Paul Anderson's worst film. Take that however you want.

Now I'm hoping the film will kick ass but for some reason I'm just getting a bad vibe about this one. I'll probably wait for DVD.
Are there any reviews up from those people? The only reviews I'm aware of were some AICN reviews, w/ some negative and some positive reviews

[Jess]

Apparently, this flick isn't even finished!

Check it out (from bloody-disgusting.com)...

IESB.net writes:

"The studio is rushing the editors and the special effects houses to get this film ready by it's target release date of August 13th but they are not confident that it will be done by opening day. To make things worse 20th Century Fox has had to cancel the Junket for the film because they know that the print will not be ready in time. Junkets are normally held 1 to 2 weeks prior of the release date so the journalists can see the film and interview the talent involved and finally review the film. Even the films Red Carpet World Premiere that was going to be held at the Grauman's Chinese Theater in Hollywood on August 10th has been cancelled due to the same problem.So will we see AVP on the 13th? Maybe but it might not be the final version that the studio wanted the audience to see."


For some reason, I really don't believe that...

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Cunning Visions
So far the buzz, from the people who've seen it, is that it's Paul Anderson's worst film. Take that however you want.

Now I'm hoping the film will kick ass but for some reason I'm just getting a bad vibe about this one. I'll probably wait for DVD.

All of which came from AICN.



And were deemed fake.

[Sigur509]

Off Topic:

Cunning Visions, you have the greatest Avatar ever.

[Moviefan1234]

When I first heard of this idea, I was pumped. Two great francises in one movie, cool. Then Anderson came onboard, but I was still optimistic. The PG-13 rating is a real downer, but I'm going to give it a shot and hope it proves me wrong. Maybe it'll surprise me.

[Tweek]

RE: pg13 rating.

Isn't most of the violence between the two title characters?

Maybe that's why it's a pg13.
don't know if anyone's brought that up.

[MisterTwister]

The running time is officially 105 minutes. Not 87 or 100 minutes like reported. I think 105 minutes is perfect for this movie.

[XCoRyX]

i'll be there friday night

[moose1132]

I don't have high hopes for this now that it's PG-13. I just can't imagine an alien or predator movie minus all the classic scenes. I'm sure there won't be any aliens bursting out of chests (on screen at least) or Predator's hanging skinned humans from the ceiling. I hate Paul Anderson.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by moose1132
I hate Paul Anderson.

Once AGAIN, blame the studio. Not Paul Anderson.

Anderson aimed for an R.

[rmarti3926]

I can't believe it's rated PG-13?!?

Oh well, looks like Fox need a bigger audience away.

However, PG-13 sequels to R-rated originals always have a bad reputation.

I am looking forward to watch it, anyway.

[moviegroupie]

Not to sound like a cliché violence addicted asshole, but PG-13 will water it down. I think it was gonna suck either way, but I like both movies so I have to see it as homage.

[Skysaber]

After seeing a clip of a fight scene between an Alien and a Predator, I can safely say that this will, at most, be a rental from Netflix. The movie looks horrible in short.

[MadsenOMC]

I was watching Resident Evil on Sci-Fi last night, and a preview came on for A vs. P, and at the end, it said, "This film is not yet rated." Any chance they are going to rethink the PG-13? I know a huge petition is already underway to protest the rating. It's really late in the game, but all the previews and clips I'd seen lately said PG-13, and then last night it was back to not yet rated. Seemed a little strange. And I would like to know how all of the reviews at AICN have been proven to be fake? Of course they have plants, but how do we know that all of the A vs. P reviews are fake? I hear it's got really bad buzz. Also, how do you know the official running time is 105 minutes? I've been hearing 87. Can that be proven?

[MadsenOMC]

As of right now yahoo movies still has 87 minutes listed as the official running time.

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
As of right now yahoo movies still has 87 minutes listed as the official running time.

and some sites still ist the movie as being R!! Various sources have said the movie is 105 minutes and many people have contacted their theaters and have been told that it is 1 hour 45 minutes.

[MisterTwister]

Well i was wrong..the movie is 102 minutes.

http://www.bcfilmclass.com/home.htm

Still good.

[Anthony4sho]

After watching the fight scene a couple times, I believe this movie will be an awesome ALIEN VS PREDATOR movie. I'm not going to have any problem if there is little to no human bloodshed as long as there are plenty of kick ass fight scenes between the two monsters. When I go watch it, that's what I will be expecting. Strictly Alien Vs Predator action.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

I am dying to see this movie, much to the dismay of just about everyone I know. Does anyone else run into problmes when asking people to see this with them? Although it make look stupid to some, how could u not have fun at a movie entitled Alien vs Predator?

[Weapon X]

MOVIE CLIPS!! (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/clips/)

One is the same fight scene from Yahoo, but it's in Quicktime and thus in much higher quality. The other...well, if there was any doubt in your mind that there'd be some nice juicy Alien-on-Predator violence, this clip will ease all your fears.

Bring on AVP, baby. :cool:

[Greenaway]

When considering the fact that I think that the whole Alien franchise went downhill since Cameron's 1986 sequel, it comes as no surprise that something like this that gets made, rakes in the big bucks, also. When it is not held in contrast against the original, and really considered as a spin-off (that it is) and a new breed of the new Hollywood trend of bringing two famous characters of fiction against each other, I wouldn't be surprised if this would be the format we are to see Alien in the future.

For me, the thought of seeing Alien 5 after a film like this, which is, obviously, not so consistent with artistic value as was Scott's original, this film feels like a rehash of Cameron's film (plus one Predator and a humane location), and perhaps a little more commercial approach enlisted, as well.

I have no big expectations when it comes to a film like this, and when it comes to the director, Anderson has yet to prove me his quality, as none of his films have really struck the bell; this film maybe rich in effects, but that does not make it an inventive film in the sense of visual and perception.

Time shall tell how my head will turn, if at all.

[Korny]

I saw this today at a screening

9/10

I got exactly what i expected from this film, it kicked my ass.

It's silly and far fetched but there's nothing cooler that watching a Predator and an Alien kicking the shit out of each other.

Also has some cool references for the fan boys.

[miguel_montes]

UAU!!! That's great!!!

Can you post a more detailed review?

How does it live to its predecessors?

Does it have some good story or it's all non-stop action?

Who "really" wins? -> Put /*spoilers*/ when you answer this

Is there room for a sequel?

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by miguel_montes
UAU!!! That's great!!!

Can you post a more detailed review?

How does it live to its predecessors?

Does it have some good story or it's all non-stop action?

Who "really" wins? -> Put /*spoilers*/ when you answer this

Is there room for a sequel?

I hope he doesn't answer the who wins question cause i don't want to know-even if there is a spoiler tag. But a more detailed review would be sweet.

[Edie0027]

Originally posted by Korny
I saw this today at a screening
9/10
I got exactly what i expected from this film, it kicked my ass.
It's silly and far fetched but there's nothing cooler that watching a Predator and an Alien kicking the shit out of each other.
Also has some cool references for the fan boys.

Aaa...I am opting to see Princess Diaries 2 over av.p on Wednesday.

[tellyfl]

Originally posted by Korny
I saw this today at a screening

9/10

I got exactly what i expected from this film, it kicked my ass.

It's silly and far fetched but there's nothing cooler that watching a Predator and an Alien kicking the shit out of each other.

Also has some cool references for the fan boys.

How is Sanaa Lathan's acting in the film?

[sharkstank]

PlEASE pm the spoilers to whomever wants them. i dont want to accidentally stumble on one.

anybody having a midnight screening around them? i dont think theres one here :(

WWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[MadsenOMC]

They aren't screening this until Thursday night?! And people still think it's not going to completely suck ass? Even Freddy vs. Jason screened on the Tuesday before it opened, knowing full well critics would tear it a new one, but trusting that the fans would be happy. I'm sorry, but this is going to blow, and I ain't buyin' that 9/10 review either.

[Weapon X]

Y'know, they say optimism's a revolutionary act.

[Pvt. Joker]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I'm sorry, but this is going to blow, and I ain't buyin' that 9/10 review either.

Ya, that sounds like a load of crap to me too. If they ain't screening this until Thursday then how sis that guy see it on Tuesday, fake reviews make me really, really angry:mad:

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Greenaway
this film feels like a rehash of Cameron's film (plus one Predator and a humane location),

Try five Predators.

[MadsenOMC]

One, five, who cares? If it sucks, it sucks. If it's good, it's good. The number of predators will have nothing to do with it.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

I never said that.

I just corrected him and said there are five predators and not one.

[MadsenOMC]

Gotcha.

[Fisting Ackbar]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
They aren't screening this until Thursday night?! And people still think it's not going to completely suck ass?

Perhaps they're doing that so people won't spoil the ending in advance.

[Shockwave]

I really hope this kicks my ass but im afraid that all signs are pointing in the opposite direction.

Late screenings are never a good thing. Its like what i said about the rating, silence = PG-13.

...and thats what we got. Silence on the rating until the very last minute.

Its gonna be the same with the movie, if the movie was golden dont u thik they would be blairing it off the roof tops?

I mean cmon, they down graded both series to PG-13 in an idiotic attempt to broaden the base for the movie, they arent going to hold back good reviews to spare some twist at the end. (which i doubt it has.)

[Korny]

Originally posted by tellyfl
How is Sanaa Lathan's acting in the film?

meh shes nothing special nor memorable

[Korny]

Originally posted by Pvt. Joker
Ya, that sounds like a load of crap to me too. If they ain't screening this until Thursday then how sis that guy see it on Tuesday, fake reviews make me really, really angry:mad:

I'm not rally bothered if you believe me or not.

Over here in the UK my dad owns and runs a couple of independant cinemas and gets invited to press screenings a few weeks in advance. Especially now i've finished college I go to these screening for him.

I've got better things to do than lie about shit like that on an internet forum.

[syxxpac]

The Alien wins and then the dying Predator self destructs, killing both of them.

How's my aim?

:D

[gyro_44]

OH. GOD. NO. (http://www.aint-it-cool.com/display.cgi?id=18140)

There a slew of reviews up at Aint-it-Cool that are absolutely vicious. One is mildly positive. I know, it's just AICN, but quotes like this one are certainly depressing:

"Out of all my brutal movie disappointments, this ranks a staunch #1.

Fuck you, Paul Anderson. I hope you rot in Hell."

:eek:

[Weapon X]

I've learned to pretty much disregard AICN's reader reviews altogether, as most of the time the people sending them in are either unhealthily biased or sound like they've no fucking clue what they're talking about. Which says nothing of the AICN staff. ;)

[mr_gamecube]

all of my co-workers and I are seeing this flick at noon tomorrow!! Go Aliens!

[miguel_montes]

IMDB forum rant:
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Want to check something really stupid on IMDB about AVP? Go here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0370263/board/nest/10809290

[Greenaway]

Originally posted by miguel_montes
IMDB forum rant:
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Want to check something really stupid on IMDB about AVP? Go here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0370263/board/nest/10809290

"This message has been deleted by an administrator"

Ah, yes.

[MadsenOMC]

I really don't think it's being negative anymore. All signs point to this sucking ass big time. Look at the evidence. PG-13 rating. Apparently Anderson was editing until the last second, and they almost didn't meet the release date. No screenings for the press. Awful test screening reviews. Is it that hard to believe that it will suck?

[Greenaway]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I really don't think it's being negative anymore. All signs point to this sucking ass big time. Look at the evidence. PG-13 rating. Apparently Anderson was editing until the last second, and they almost didn't meet the release date. No screenings for the press. Awful test screening reviews. Is it that hard to believe that it will suck?

For some people, obviously. I haven't been a fan of the series (neither of them), so this is just something trivial. But then again, I would like to see something that would turn out to be signifact instead of being a waste of time.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by gyro_44
OH. GOD. NO. (http://www.aint-it-cool.com/display.cgi?id=18140)

There a slew of reviews up at Aint-it-Cool that are absolutely vicious. One is mildly positive. I know, it's just AICN, but quotes like this one are certainly depressing:

"Out of all my brutal movie disappointments, this ranks a staunch #1.

Fuck you, Paul Anderson. I hope you rot in Hell."

:eek:

It's AICN. Everyone there has a vendetta against Anderson.

Apparently Anderson was editing until the last second, and they almost didn't meet the release date. No screenings for the press. Awful test screening reviews. Is it that hard to believe that it will suck?

Anderson wasn't editing til the last second. This is false.

[MadsenOMC]

How do you know? Work for Fox or friends with Anderson? I read in multiple places that Anderson was editing up until the very last minute and that the release date was in jeopardy. I will believe that until I read otherwise.

[Anthony4sho]

Stop being so pessimistic, Madsen. Yea the PG-13 rating sucks, but that is about the only negative that has been shown so far. On top of that, dismissing ANY movie because of it's lack of human gore is crazy.

The HBO exclusive looked great and hyped me up a little more for this movie.

[MadsenOMC]

Jesus fucking Christ. I am not being pessimistic, and I never said that the lack of human gore means it will automatically suck. As I previously stated, the PG-13 rating is hardly the only negative sign. Just one of many. No press screenings. Last minute editing. Terrible buzz from advanced screenings. Take your pick.

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Jesus fucking Christ. I am not being pessimistic, and I never said that the lack of human gore means it will automatically suck. As I previously stated, the PG-13 rating is hardly the only negative sign. Just one of many. No press screenings. Last minute editing. Terrible buzz from advanced screenings. Take your pick.


Most of the terrible buzz is from AICN and they are bunch of Paul Anderson haters, so whoever reads those reviews and changes their minds due to them-Well they need help. When i see the movie tommerow-i expect a fun popcorn movie and i have a feeling thats what i will get. No negative review will change my ride. I'm going in expecting a 100 minute flick with 2 badass alien species duking it out.

[tcopen]

First of all, as a general rule of thumb, sequels (when compared to originals) blow ass.

Second of all, when sequels (or any movie for that matter) have the letters "vs." in the title they blow even more ass. (For example "Freddy vs. Jason"

However...

"Alien vs. Predator" undeniably looks fun. Period.

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Jesus fucking Christ. I am not being pessimistic, and I never said that the lack of human gore means it will automatically suck. As I previously stated, the PG-13 rating is hardly the only negative sign. Just one of many. No press screenings. Last minute editing. Terrible buzz from advanced screenings. Take your pick.

Madsen, outside of a report at FilmHobbit and the AICN reviews that turned out to be a Scorched Planet hoax, would you please point me to a test screening review? Do I think AVP is going to be very good? No. But I hope it'll be fun, and I'm not trusting anything that comes from Harry Knowles' site on the subject.

[MadsenOMC]

I haven't seen any other test screening reviews. Never said I had. It's just one other aspect of all the things that lead me to not be optimistic.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
It's AICN. Everyone there has a vendetta against Anderson.
I'm aware of this... but AICN guest critics who have never written before share the vendetta? I trust AICN as much as the next discerning movie fan (meaning, pretty much not at all), but still, my heart sank when I read some of the thoughts posted over there.

[ANTBond007]

And how much would you trust AICN reviews, considering Knowles has admitted to faking reviews to support his own opinion?

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by ANTBond007
And how much would you trust AICN reviews, considering Knowles has admitted to faking reviews to support his own opinion?

Originally posted by gyro_44
I trust AICN as much as the next discerning movie fan (meaning, pretty much not at all).

[Korny]

wow so much prejudice.

So most of you think PG-13 means that this film will be shit.

For this rating (whatever it is over here) there IS a suprising amount of gore which is done well.

For all the haters, basically shut the hell up until you actually KNOW what your talking about:rolleyes:

pfffft

[MadsenOMC]

What? Try and make me shut the hell up. I can say whatever I damn well please about the movie. I am making an educated guess. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it. I hope I am wrong. It's not like I want it to totally suck. What's the point of that?

[ilovemovies]

The PG-13 rating doesn't mean it'll be bad but it won't be as much as Freddy Vs. Jason was last year.

It's also very disheartening for it to be PG-13 because all of the Predator movies and all of the Alien movies are rated R.

I'm still hoping it will be fun, but yes, with the PG-13 rating my expectations were lowered.

Before on a scale from 0-10 in my anticipation meter this movie was a 9. But when I heard it was rated PG-13 it went down to a 7.


Nevertheless, I remain optomistic that it will be a fun popcorn flick because that is in my nature.


And negative reviews won't phase me either since these kinds of movies usually get negative reviews. Infact, just last year Freddy Vs. Jason got pretty bad reviews but I LOVED it

[gyro_44]

I'm with Madsen here. I certainly don't want the movie to be shit. I just revisited PREDATOR the other day and enjoyed the hell out of it. ALIENS is one my personal favorites.

So while pessimism has set in, I really hope we are proven wrong, as Madsen said. This movie rocking would make my day.

[MadsenOMC]

Exactly. I'm glad someone and I are on the same page. Of course nobody wants it to suck. That's ludicrous. Unfortunately there are a lot of reasons to doubt the quality of this flick, even on a popcorn entertainment level. I hope I'm wrong.

[Shockwave]

I pretty much agree with all the above statements, i dont want this movie to suck but its pretty hard to ignore the signs here.

Im getting into a preview screening tonight so ill see it and judge for myself, and report back to see if i was justified or wind up eating crow.

Im hoping for the best but prepared for the worst.

Im thinking this will be about on the same level as Aliens 3 or Predator 2.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
How do you know? Work for Fox or friends with Anderson? I read in multiple places that Anderson was editing up until the very last minute and that the release date was in jeopardy. I will believe that until I read otherwise.

I know it's false because you can't give a movie a rating without it being A) edited together and B) all the effects shots completed. The film has to be complete in order to receive a rating.

So, thusly, the whole "editing til the last minute/finishing special effects" rumor was B.S. from the get go.

[MadsenOMC]

I think you are wrong. I'll have to respectfully disagree. Tons of movies do reshoots after they get an MPAA rating. This one did. The Manchurian Candidate remake did. Hardly rare.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I think you are wrong. I'll have to respectfully disagree. Tons of movies do reshoots after they get an MPAA rating. This one did. The Manchurian Candidate remake did. Hardly rare.

Yes, there are reshoots. But the film is STILL edited together. The MPAA has to watch the movie in FULL to give it a rating.

[MadsenOMC]

So what happens if there are reshoots after the MPAA rates the movie? They don't have to edit that footage? It's just magically inserted on its own? I don't think people are lying or trying to start gossip by stating that Anderson was editing until the very last minute. They were just saying that it may be a bad sign. Plenty of movies are being tweeked until the last minute.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
So what happens if there are reshoots after the MPAA rates the movie?

I've never even heard such a silly thing happening. The MPAA rates the final product.

Sounds like you just want to believe silly Anderson bashing rumors to me.

[MadsenOMC]

Not the case at all. The fact is he was editing right until the very end. But believe what you want. It's not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.

[MadsenOMC]

Dude, I'm so right. The August 10th premiere was cancelled because the movie was not finished. Anderson was still editing. Lance Henriksen said it in an interview with some magazine and cinescape ran a story about it.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Dude, I'm so right.

...and your also sounding a bit full of yourself. Your not the only one who believed Anderson was still editing the movie.

----

I'm pretty sure this movie will suck, but I'm still going to see it tomorrow night. Some of the advance word on FvJ was pretty negative, but when I saw that in the theaters, it was one of the best theater experiences I've had. Being in a sold out theater packed with die hard fans at 8:00 on opening night was beyond cool. Hopefully it will be like that tomorrow night. But my expectations for AvP are nowhere near as high as my expectations for FvJ were, mainly because of a crappy director, horrible word of mouth, and because I don't care for Predator or the aliens as much as I did Freddy or Jason.

I'm going in with low low expectations, hopefully I'll come out pleased (although I highly doubt I will).

[MadsenOMC]

Oh come on. That was hardly a demonstration of arrogance. Give me a break. I was going back and forth with someone and I found evidence to support my claim. What is so wrong with that?

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

The production budget climbed toward $70 million…. Fox decided not to show its nearly $70 million investment to critics before its release...

Wow. Lookie what Joshie (that's me) found! Sounds like a studio decision that had nothing to do with FINAL editing!



Owned.

[MadsenOMC]

Please. Like I said, Henriksen himself said that Anderson was still editing this week. Couldn't even get a final cut ready in time for a premiere on Tuesday night, which was then cancelled. And it cost more than $70 million, you can be sure of that.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Please. Like I said, Henriksen himself said that Anderson was still editing this week. Couldn't even get a final cut ready in time for a premiere on Tuesday night, which was then cancelled. And it cost more than $70 million, you can be sure of that.

Nope, it cost $70 million.

And no, the studio said no to the premiere. Editing=not involved.

[Shockwave]

The production budget climbed toward $70 million…. Fox decided not to show its nearly $70 million investment to critics before its release...

I havent been keeping up with the discussion, but how is that a good thing?

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Not really saying it's a good thing, but it just proves that editing wasn't the issue. It was a studio decision and that's it.

[Weapon X]

The first "official" review has been posted on Rotten Tomatoes (http://www.rottentomatoes.com):

"AVP combines the old fashioned monster and haunted house movies of old to create a daring mix that will delight fans. "
-- Gareth J. Von Kallenbach, SKIEWED AND REVIEWED

Well....it's a start. :)

[t3h Qster]

Im seeing it because if it has predators Im sooooooooo there.

[Shockwave]

Not really saying it's a good thing, but it just proves that editing wasn't the issue. It was a studio decision and that's it.

Ahhhh, gotcha.

[Wildbilld]

Classic 4 Star Rating:
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Letter Grade:
C+

1-10 Scale Rating:
http://wildbilld.brinkster.net/pics/6.5stars.bmp

Crowd Report (http://wildbilld.brinkster.net).

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I just got back from a midnight screening:

And the film received APPLAUSE. The crowd loved it, I loved it, it was fricken awesome. Everyone knew what they were going into when they went in. Not a character study, rather a film that focused on Predators and Aliens kicking the royal shit out of each other!

The rating did not hurt the film. There is a chestbursting scene WITH blood. It is quick and it cuts away, but you do see it come through. The humans killed and hung are not skinned with good reason: the Preds simply didn't have time. They were on a mission---hunt the Aliens .

As far as characters though, the only ones worth mentioning are Lex and Bishop. Lance Henrikson is great as usual, and the girl that plays Lex is great. I actually thought her character was more fleshed out than the others and it made her a very likeable person.

*SPOILERS*












There is a twist that involves the Final Predator and Lex teaming up which I thought would end up cheesy, but does work out.

It was great seeing the flick tonight. The theater was full of fan boys who didn't care about the movie rating. They just wanted to see their favorite monsters battle it out. And were we ever pleased!

Paul W.S. Anderson, you've done it.

THANK YOU.

[Moviefreek]

Just got back from my midnight screening as well. I was worried about the PG-13 rating myself but it ended up being very well done and didn't have that PG-13 feeling to it that I feared. The acting wasn't as bad as I feared either, it was actually pretty good. And the fight scenes were great, we are given what we wanted. Not nearly as bad as I had feared it was gonna be. Its a fun entertaining flick with two badies going at it. Enjoy.

7/10


Spoilers*******************************







I agree with that certain twist that was put in there with the predator and lex, when it happend I was like..thats wierd but then after thinking about it and seeing it played through it ended up not hurting the film as much as I had thought

[Greenaway]

Alien Vs. Predator at Rotten Tomatoes (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alien_vs_predator/)

That was to be expected. (At the moment: 38 reviews in total, five positive)

Reading: 13% - Rotten.

That's even worse than I would've ever thought.

On Box Office Mojo (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/forecast/) they are predicting a $29.7m debut for the film. Disappointing (for the studio), yet very predictable.

Here are the Friday estimates (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2004-08-13&p=.htm)

[optimus1]

Well it is a bit encouraging to see 2 positive reviews from members of this site , who have no reason to lie. It does suck that they didn't let the critics review it though , that is usually a death blow to the box office and always makes me feel the movie will suck. This is a big license for Fox and for them to not showcase it to create buzz outside of the hard core fans is bad news.

[Greenaway]

Originally posted by optimus1
Well it is a bit encouraging to see 2 positive reviews from members of this site , who have no reason to lie. It does suck that they didn't let the critics review it though , that is usually a death blow to the box office and always makes me feel the movie will suck. This is a big license for Fox and for them to not showcase it to create buzz outside of the hard core fans is bad news.

It makes one think as if the studio would be embarassed by the whole film in case no press screenings are not held until the very last minute... now, wait a minute... :eek:

[Kidsilk]

It's nice to read a couple of positive reviews. Hopefully I'll be able to see it today.

[Greenaway]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Oh come on. That was hardly a demonstration of arrogance. Give me a break. I was going back and forth with someone and I found evidence to support my claim. What is so wrong with that?

:p

[Weapon X]

People....you're not gonna believe this...

HARRY KNOWLES LIKED IT.

That's right, Paul W.S. Anderson's biggest opponent starts his review of Alien Vs. Predator stating, "This is Paul W.S. Anderson's very best film. Is that a good thing? Absolutely."

He goes on to basically say it's shit, but at least it's entertaining shit - but come on, that's an endorsement even I can get behind.

[Dead Halloween]

Originally posted by Weapon X
People....you're not gonna believe this...

HARRY KNOWLES LIKED IT.


HOLY SHIT! :eek:

[MisterTwister]

Hopefully i will get to see AVP today(a hurricane is coming) and where is Joblo and Arrows reviews of the film? I woke up expecting to see them but strangely no.

[pyscho dude]

Watching the making of last night and reading some of these good reviews I'm starting to have hope again. Does anyone know just how much screentime the Predators and Aliens have?

[Greenaway]

A link: Harry Knowles on Alien Vs. Predator (http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=18147)


Some quotes from the review:

--- he’s moved up the ladder a couple of rungs to making an entertaining piece of shit, rather than just plain ol shit.

It could have been so much better, but with this director, it also could have been A LOT WORSE.

Like I said, that I don’t hate it is amazing. Perhaps there is hope for Mr Paul W.S. Anderson. Perhaps stoning him would be premature, he could actually maybe, one day make a movie that I like without having dozens of problems with, and like without any conditions.

:D

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
Nope, it cost $70 million.

And no, the studio said no to the premiere. Editing=not involved.

I find it hysterical that someone could be 100% wrong, and still believe that they are right. Why can't you accept it? Do you honestly believe everything that the studio says? Why is it so difficult to believe that the movie wasn't ready on time? The freakin' star of the movie said that Anderson was still editing and that's why there was no premiere. Are you just trying to be contradictory for fun?

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I find it hysterical that someone could be 100% wrong, and still believe that they are right. Why can't you accept it? Do you honestly believe everything that the studio says? Why is it so difficult to believe that the movie wasn't ready on time? The freakin' star of the movie said that Anderson was still editing and that's why there was no premiere. Are you just trying to be contradictory for fun?

Is Madsen on a conspiracy theorist power trip? I find it difficult Henriksen was actually "in the know," considering his screentime and presence in the actual movie.

Man, you sure do bitch about what you don't like (or have pretty much assured yourself you're not going to like), huh?

[MadsenOMC]

I like to talk about and debate movies. Isn't that why we're all here? Someone thinks I'm mistaken and has vocalized it, so I'm just defending my beliefs. What's wrong with that? The consensus is, Anderson was editing the movie until the last minute. The premiere was cancelled at the last minute. It wasn't screened until Thursday night. Do the math. It isn't that hard to figure out. It's not even that big of a deal. A lot of movies are tinkered with until the last minute. But someone is insisting that it was a "studio decision" to not have the premiere. Well, yeah, because it wasn't ready. Duh.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by pyscho dude
Watching the making of last night and reading some of these good reviews I'm starting to have hope again. Does anyone know just how much screentime the Predators and Aliens have?

Ohhh, they have PLENTY of screentime. :)

I find it hysterical that someone could be 100% wrong, and still believe that they are right.

I find it hysterical that you get so mad over someone who disagrees with you on the internet.

[Adornado]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
I find it hysterical that you get so mad over someone who disagrees with you on the internet.

Madsen got no more "mad" about it then you did. And yes, Anderson was editing until the last minute.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Adornado
Madsen got no more "mad" about it then you did. And yes, Anderson was editing until the last minute.

Never got mad.

And no, he wasn't.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

I really want to see this movie, no matter how horrible the reviews and negative buzz about the editting may be. Bloody Disgusting (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/reviews.php?id=396) just posted one scathing review. Beware, it's full of spoilers i wish i hadn't read, i just figured i'd post the link so we could see what a horror critic thought of it.

[Shockwave]

And no, he wasn't.

Yeah he was actualy, i cant find the qoute now(i already looked) but i do remember reading that Anderson did have the movie in the editing room until the very last minute.

..in the end, does it really matter much?




..Im checking it out later today, as the managment at the theatre already saw it. They pretty much said the stuff that was good was pretty fricken awesome, but the stuff that was bad was really pretty terrible.

Usualy the guy either praises a movie or damn it to hell, with this one it seemed like the didnt know if they liked it or not.

Guess ill see for myself soon enough.

[heavymetalsanta]

I just saw this, and I was sorta disappointed.

I give it either a 6/10 or a 7/10, haven't decided yet.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Here's a good review from Coming Soon.net:

Summary:
Despite bad buzz, Alien vs. Predator is a decent popcorn flick with some cool moments here and there. It's worth checking out.

Story:
When satellites for the Weyland company discover a strange pyramid buried 2000 ft below the Antarctic ice, company founder Charles Bishop Weyland assembles a team to investigate. He chooses Antarctic expert Alexa Woods to lead the expedition.

When the team arrives, they discover many strange stone carvings and hieroglyphics depicting sacrifice, hunting, and strange creatures. Little does the team realize that they have stumbled upon an ancient training ground for the Predators. The alien race of hunters placed the pyramid there thousands of years ago as a location for a hunting rite of passage. Inside, they hunt the Alien, one of the fiercest creatures in the galaxy and an integral part of their hunting culture.

As luck would have it, the humans have been lured to the pyramid just in time for the latest Predator hunt. The human team is needed to incubate the Alien young. The human team quickly realizes their dangerous predicament, but will any of them survive the battle between Alien and Predator?

Alien vs. Predator is rated PG-13 for violence, language, horror images, slime and gore. ('Slime' earns a PG-13 rating???)

What Worked:
Let me start off by saying that I'm a long time Aliens and Predator fan. I've watched all the films in both series many times over and I've followed the spin off books and comics. I even bought the first Aliens vs. Predator comics from Dark Horse as soon as they hit comic shelves so many years ago. So it was with eager anticipation that I awaited Alien vs. Predator. However, there were a couple of troubling signs as opening day approached. The first was that they didn't screen the film for press until the day before the film opened. This typically means the studio thinks the film sucks and that they don't want bad buzz getting out early. The official Fox excuse was that they were working on effects up until the last minute. I wasn't sure what to believe. The second bad sign was that AICN posted review after review absolutely slamming the movie without mercy. While I try not to read other people's reviews before I screen films, the bad AVP buzz from AICN was inescapable. Fortunately, the bad signs weren't that bad after all. There was nothing in the film that Fox should have been overly embarrassed about, so maybe the official line about effects was true. And I also think the people sending in negative reviews to AICN were either fakes (sent by a website with a grudge against AICN) or people just looking for an excuse to tear a movie apart regardless of whether it was bad or not.

I actually walked away from AVP thinking it was pretty decent. It wasn't as good as it could have been, but it wasn't the train wreck that many people were expecting either. It ended up being exactly what I thought it would be – a decent popcorn / monster flick. I thought it wasn't anywhere near the quality of the original films, but it was a bit better than Predator 2 and Alien 3. While I wish they had simply adapted the first Aliens vs. Predator comic (which took place on another planet far in the future), this adventure ended up working out OK. In fact, the movie became more and more like the comic right up until the end. Some of the key moments from the comic are included in this film. The marking of foreheads with the alien finger and blood is here. Some of the classic AVP shots are here. There are other similarities, but I won't go into them here.

This film also ties heavily into the film franchises that started everything. The Weyland company is the same one seen in the Aliens films. Charles Bishop Weyland is even the guy that the Bishop android from Aliens is modeled after. Lance Henriksen reprises the role, of course. (He even does a brief tip of the hat to the knife between the fingers trick from Aliens.) You see all stages of the Aliens from face huggers to chest bursters all the way up to the Queen. The Predators also have all of their trademarks. They string people up from rafters, use all sorts of nifty gadgets, and keep trophies from their victims. Though the movie doesn't entirely feel like either an Alien or Predator sequel, these trademarks help give some authenticity to the film.

The effects vary in quality, but they are generally good. I was particularly impressed with the CGI Aliens. They looked great. There are some great shots of the warrior Aliens as well as the Queen. You get to see her in full battle action and it was quite spectacular. Shots of her and thousands upon thousands of swarming Aliens really made me eager to see a purely Alien sequel. I'd really like to see what they could pull off with new technology. The Predators looked best when their masks were on. I didn't like their faces as much when they removed their masks, but this was a rare occurrence. Their ships were also portrayed in a cool stealth manner.

As for the human actors, they weren't terribly impressive. But then again, they are there simply to be killed by the monsters. Nothing more. Besides Lance Henriksen as Charles Bishop Weyland, Sanaa Lathan is the only other notable one as Alexa Woods. She and all of the others have all sorts of bad dialogue and cheesy moments, but that's OK. I didn't go to see Shakespeare. I went to see Aliens fight Predators and that's what I got.

Overall, I thought it was a decent action flick. If you're an Aliens or Predator fan, I think you'll find moments throughout the film that will impress you. It wasn't as spectacular as it could have been, but it wasn't a bomb either.

What Didn't Work:
Unfortunately, AVP has a lot working against it. Besides the previously mentioned bad buzz, I know many people take issue with the fact that it isn't R rated like its predecessors. It's PG-13. In many people's minds, this means it is not as good. They believe that the scares and gore have been toned down for the kiddies. Well, yes and no. The film didn't get the R rating because it wasn't people getting gutted, cut, and mangled. It was the imaginary monsters that were. Because there isn't so much violence against humans, it got the lighter rating (which makes business sense if you want as many people watching the film as possible.). That being said, though, the film isn't scary like its predecessors. Aliens was the last movie to actually give me nightmares while Predator was scary on a whole other level. Alien vs. Predator doesn't capture any of what made those films scary. In fact, I didn't flinch once during AVP. Maybe it was more because I was jaded to big screen frights, but I didn't find any suspense in it at all. It was mainly about the action.

I also wish the film was still based on the comic and set on another planet. While this film worked OK, I like the futuristic, frontier setting a lot better. I think it would have given the audience a better, stranger environment. Another minor gripe was that the whole Alien lifecycle was greatly accelerated for the film. Rather than going from facehugger to full alien in a few days, it's a matter of a few hours in the movie. I didn't like it, bu maybe you can justify it by saying they were modified by the Predators to grow faster.

As for other problems with the film, I already mentioned the bad dialogue and poor Predator faces. To that I'll add that I didn't like the look of some of the action scenes. The camera would pull in extremely close to the action and the lighting would kind of strobe. The end result was a big blur during the fight scenes. I couldn't tell what the heck was going on. The camera pulled back a bit more as the movie progressed and I got a better sense of the battles, but early on it was frustrating.

The Bottom Line:
I think you'll find Alien vs. Predator worth checking out. Don't listen to anyone else's opinions – good or bad. Just go in expecting a popcorn flick and I think you'll enjoy it.

[MisterTwister]

Due to the Florida Hurricane, my movie theater is closed so i will not be seeing this on opening night. I will see if first thing tommerow.

[gspawn]

Ain't it cool average rating: 5.1
IMDB average: 5.9

Looks like a surprise stinker...

[Shockwave]

Aliens was the last movie to actually give me nightmares while Predator was scary on a whole other level. Alien vs. Predator doesn't capture any of what made those films scary. In fact, I didn't flinch once during AVP.

Dammit, i was hoping that due to the PG-13 rating they would almost HAVE to rely on scares and not gore...

..i really hope this is more then just on-the-surface flash and glitz.:(

[optimus1]

MSNBC movie review

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5698394/

Aliens Vs Predator : Audience Loses
The above is the reviews headline lol :)

[EDsoulsurvive*]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
Here's a good review from Coming Soon.net:

Summary:
Despite bad buzz, Alien vs. Predator is a decent popcorn flick with some cool moments here and there. It's worth checking out.


thats exactly what im expecting, with the reviews taht are in so far, I don't think I'm gunna be disappointed.

[Cunning Visions]

Originally posted by Shockwave
..i really hope this is more then just on-the-surface flash and glitz.:(

Unfortunately that's all it is.

Just came back from seeing it and all I have to say is I'm very disappointed. I wasn't expecting Oscar material, just something that would be entertaining. Unfortunately all I got was a mess of style and glitz. Just so you know where I stand...I'm not a Paul W.S. Anderson hater, so I didn't go into this film looking to tear it a new a-hole.

Positives:
Some of the story elements were interesting. Would have loved to seen what a better screenwriter would have done with it.
Some pretty cool shots (one of the best ones was used in the TV trailers...Aliens attack!! :D )
The Alien effects were very good.
The first 30 minutes or so were actually entertaining, in a cheesy so-bad-it's good kind of way.
You can never go wrong with Lance Henriksen

Negatives:
Main peeve with the film: Made Predators seem like huge pussies.
Ignores some of the stuff we know about the Aliens, makes up new ones.
Predator F/X were crappy. Predator needs to go on Atkins.
Human characters were cardboard cutouts.
Look!!..Predator and human running in a slow motion Baywatch shot!
Matrix facehugger!
The second half of the movie rated high on the unintentional comedy scale.
The ending received groans from just about all of the audience members.


Audience reaction was pretty bad. A lot of laughter in spots that weren't meant to be funny (honorary predator lol). Honestly this felt like a straight to video movie. While it's not a boring movie, it's just not memorable. You'll forget about it by the time you leave the theater. Maybe I would have enjoyed it more if I was 14.

[Horror whore]

Alien vs. Predator vs. trying to stay awake. For an action/horror movie, this is extremely boring. A ridiculous story leads to ridiculous "action scenes" which leads to one truly terrible ending. Grrr. This makes me mad, it could have been so much fun. Instead it ends up being extremely predictable and pretty boring. And if the pyramid changes every ten minutes, why didn't it change near the end? They were down there for much longer than ten minutes and there was no change. Maybe it's because no one had a watch. :p Some positive aspects were good special effects, a couple of cool sequences (the queen was pretty decent), and a likeable lead. (5/10 or C-)

[Ron34]

Ok, I saw the midnight showing. The adience was packed and there were alot of diehard aliens and predator fans. Now on with my short review. The PG-13 rating worked out real well and there were no problem, but you will be disappointed. The first hour and 15 minutes, people were enjoying and I was having a blast. But right towards the end, it was bad. Now some people will like it and some people wont. I could hear the audience saying how stupid that was, etc. If you want to know, scroll down....











Spoilers************************************






Just when the hell does a predator make friends with a human. The first two predator films, you never see anything like that, but this one you do. Now you might say, hmmmm this works. But other then that, its cheesy and it falls apart.






End spoilers************************************



I overall give this film an

C-

[gspawn]

The one thing I was most afraid of seems to be happening with this movie... a director took what may be the most epic conflict ever and turned it into "forgettable". Amazing.

But after hearing fans of the book (there was an AvP novel, from what I hear), I can understand. Some things I've heard, and note that I haven't seen either media, but I'm going on everything I'm hearing at the moment:

-The book had a metric crapload of plot holes (don't all great action flicks?).
-Predators hunt aliens as a father-and-son weekend sport, and a team of Predators could apparently wipe out the whole of Alien civilization, if so inclined- they HAD to be dumbed down for the "versus" thing that got pushed so hard... Preds stomp Aliens hardcore.

And on a side note, once again I say that I was worried about this flick from the start. From the HBO preview:

The director said something like, "I wanted to stick with both series' tendancy to select no-name, but powerful actors."
-Arnold Schwarzennegger, Jesse "the body" Ventura, Sigourney Weaver, Winona Ryder, Lance Henricksson, Paul Reiser, Danny Glover, Bill Paxton...

[MadsenOMC]

SPOILERS!

OK, I finally saw it. First of all, it's not 102 minutes long. The Fox logo went up at 2:15, and the credits began to roll before 3:45. Assuming the credits roll for 4 or 5 minutes, it's no longer than 95 minutes, and probably closer to 90. Who cares, you may ask? Well, I do. I think that's way too short, and it signifies something else: it was heavily edited, and it's easy to believe the stories that suggest it was being edited until the very last possible minute.

To be fair, it certainly is not a train wreck or even close to the worst movie of the summer. But it is painfully mediocre. Someone over at AICN said that sums up Anderson's career, that he's made nothing but extremely mediocre films. And I totally agree. Now you can add another one.

No one expected good acting or writing, and they certainly aren't going to get any. I didn't really mind the stock characters and the cliched writing and the terrible acting. It's not that big of a deal in a movie like this. The only thing that bothered me is Raoul Bova's performance. Awful. That guy really can't act. Not much was required of him in Under the Tuscan Sun, and he was OK in that. But he is flat-out atrocious here. Fucking painful. I was glad to see him go.

The story is nothing special but it's simple and gets the job done. It starts off pretty damn slow, establishing the lame characters and why they're going down there. After about 30 minutes I was getting pretty ancy and hoping for something to happen. The action scenes are far from mindblowing, but they are decent. I really liked the big alien and predator fight that takes place near the middle of the movie. Two badasses going at it hardcore, that was fun to watch. Sadly, it never achieves the coolness of that scene again. The rest of the action is OK, but nothing really gets your blood going. It keeps your attention, but that's it. Nothing more.

I didn't care for the last 15 minutes. I didn't like that a predator teamed up with a human. Maybe it seems cool that they are on a team against the aliens, but I don't think it was a good idea and I don't think it works. They are supposed to fucking be killing machines, and since I didn't give a shit about Lexi, I wanted him to slaughter her. Which leads me to another problem...

The PG-13 rating. Sorry, folks, but I think it's a problem and was a huge mistake. There is hardly any blood. Quick shots of it, what, once or twice at the most? The chestburster scene is a fucking joke. It's a flash, and you can't see shit. Happens in less than a second. Almost everything is heard and not seen, which is total fucking bullshit. What is the title of this movie again? And nearly everything happens offscreen?! Fucking ridiculous. Sure, there's a little carnage when the aliens and predators fight, but not nearly enough to make me happy. There really isn't that much of it, either. This should have been R, no doubt about it. It's not even close to being brutal and hard-hitting enough, and this movie should have been both. A crock of shit in my book.

To kind of finish where I started, it just isn't long enough. Feels very heavily chopped up. Like they just took the best of what they had and slapped it together and ran with it. Which leads to what? Mediocrity. I'm not going to bash Anderson. I don't really care for him, but he made an OK movie. Then again, you would have to be the biggest moron on the planet to completely fuck up this movie. Why did Fox settle for him? Why not get a much more talented writer and director? Was he seriously the best they could do? Was he really at the top of their wish list? Anyway, while I view this as a huge letdown, considering the title characters, it still passed the time painlessly. But is that really good enough? On the one hand, I'm glad it wasn't totally horrible and unwatchable. On the other hand, I'm pissed that it's only OK, and nothing more. A mixed bag for me.

5/10

[Jim H]

But after hearing fans of the book (there was an AvP novel, from what I hear),

There's a shitload of AVP stuff. Some of it is quite good (like the first novel, which I believe was originally a comic) and some of it is very bad. The preds seem to get even more and more ridiculously powerful as the series go on - there's one comic where a pred falls into a 50+ foot deep pit and simply does a single leap to jump out... Gets lame really.

***SPOILERS for AVP Novel (AvP: Prey) and movie***







It sounds to me like they're taking a page out of the first novel/comic. There's a Japanese woman with martial arts training who the elder, more experienced predator teams up with (the younger ones, who he was training when things go wrong, leave him for dead and eventually end up dead themselves). They end up fighting the queen together, and the pred gets so badly wounded he dies soon after. Sounds a lot like this movie. Some of the Predator's (Broken Tusk I think is his name) thoughts in the novel are amusing, it is also interesting to get a better glimpse of Predator (or Yautja, their actual name) society and culture.




****END SPOILERS***

Why not get a much more talented writer and director?

Weren't James Cameron and Ridley Scott interested in being involved in an earlier stage? What happened there?

[gspawn]

I think that this movie started out like the new Superman movie did, just didn't see the upswing in the evolution that Superman may be seeing now.

-Superman starts off with half a leg, as Kevin Smith is writing (Who better? Put the "Silent Bob" thing away, the man has penned tons of comics now)
-AvP starts off with old cast and crew giving it a "meh, we might"

-Superman sees a list of no-names and oddball director-actor combos being rumored
-AvP got released here

-Except now, Superman seems like it might be getting smarter directing and acting choices.

Hopefully, all franchises will take a lesson from this flick... (this one especially!)

[T-1000]

I just got back from the film, and unfortunately, I can't help but feel disappointed.

Let me start off by saying that this film was TOO short (i don't know what the exact runtime is, i didn't time the movie). I have no doubt in my mind that AvP was hacked to pieces in the editing room; everything just flew by too quickly. Judging from what I saw in the theater a few minutes ago, this film had A LOT of potential, but sadly, this potential is completely wasted.

Instead of a nice, steady build up, we get a rushed and hasty introduction to the characters. Within the first ten minutes of the film, the crew is already in Antarctica. In addition, the characters are given absolutely no time to develop. There were some nice moments where it seemed as if Anderson was trying to give these people some depth, but whenever the characters began to interact, we cut away to another scene. Sanaa Lathan and Lance Henriksen give decent performances, but they aren't given much to work with (the rest of the cast is forgettable).

I was really looking forward to the action sequences, but they also ended up disappointing me. The fight sequences between the Aliens and Predators were very few in number(most of the good stuff is online), and the editing in these scenes was just plain bad. I couldn't even tell what was going on. Don't get me wrong, these scenes were entertaining, but those quick cuts were annoying as hell (not to mention the stupid slow-motion facehuggers).

The idea of an alliance between a human and a Predator doesn't bother me. However, what bothered me was the execution of this idea in the film. Like I said before, everything happened too quickly. All the supporting characters and the other two Predators were killed off in a matter of minutes. By the time Lex and Scar joined up, things just felt too contrived and too generic. As for the PG-13 rating, all I can say is that it really hurt the film. All the blood and gore were edited out, and the level of violence within the movie was laughable compared to the previous Alien and Predator films.

The great thing about AvP is that it is very impressive at a visual level. The Aliens and Predators looked fantastic, and the pyramid sets looked very authentic. CGI usage is kept to a minimum, which is always a good thing in my book.

Anderson was able to create a very dark, moody atmosphere, but the poorly written characters and the horrible pacing completely nullified this aspect of Anderson's directorial skills. I really don't know who to blame for AvP's numerous flaws, but my instinct tells me that the film I saw today wasn't Anderson's true vision. I hope and pray that we get an unrated director's cut with the DVD, because this film could definitely use an extra 30 minutes to flesh things out. If AvP had more character development and improved build up between scenes, then it could have been a good film.

The current version as it is will put the final nail in the coffin for both franchises. It's quite unfortunate, but I can't really say that I'm surprised. All in all, it's much better than Predator 2 and Alien Resurrection, but at the same time, it could have been so much more.

Alien vs. Predator - 6/10 (I'm being too kind here)

[the humble narrator]

I fuckin' hated this movie. I knew I was going to hate it, and once again I have proven myself right. I went to the midnight screening thanks to my friend whos idea it was to this place to see this piece of crap.
There were only two things I liked about the movie, one being the early cleavage shot of the black chick and Spud's accent.
Last night, I made a promise to myself and my friend that in my future lifetime - I will never ever going see another movie Paul WS Anderson. I am pretty confident that I can do this. I have nothing but despised every film he has ever made.
The bad things: well - there is simply too much to list. I will never forgive my freind for convincing me to go.

1 / 10

[Anthony4sho]

Damn it! Why does this fag P. Anderson have to fuck up EVERYTHING? The level of frustration I'm feeling right now is unbelievable. First RE, now this shit. Damn.

[Fisting Ackbar]

SPOILERS









Pretty underwhelming overall. The first part of it seemed to go on forever with terrible excuses for character development and once everything goes in motion, almost everybody is killed off at once making for less kills. It had it's moments, but I expected a lot more Alien versus Predator action and other than the fight scene in the middle between two of them, their matches weren't memorable at all.
The PG-13 rating also was a waste when the humans were getting slaughtered, though during the A versus P fights I didn't seem to mind. Yet I still had to endure 9 year old kids talking in the theater, who wouldn't have gotten in if this was an R rated flick.

Also, (spoilers, highlight to read) Did the Aztec somehow end up in Antarctica? Or was it some other civilization that ended up there somehow and were sacrifizing themselves at times? And was the only one who thought that the Predator and the chick were going to make out at the end?

http://members.lycos.nl/anonymousjohn/nerdfrenzy.jpg

4 or 5/10

[brodeurnumber1]

Ugh. Never did I think I would find a movie that made Predator look like Orlando Bloom(aka a pussy). The whole movie was just annoying and crap. The ending sucked, the fight scences were underwhelming, and etc. Paul WS just threw this together, and you can very much tell.

3-4/10

[Harry Warden]

Don't care if I'm the only one but I loved this film.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by Harry Warden
Don't care if I'm the only one but I loved this film.

Nor do we. ;)

[Shockwave]

This is one of those films that is just so bad its good. Reminds me of Van Helsing.

[Nachokoolaid]

Originally posted by Ron34




Just when the hell does a predator make friends with a human. The first two predator films, you never see anything like that, but this one you do. Now you might say, hmmmm this works. But other then that, its cheesy and it falls apart.





I do believe this happens at the end of PREDATOR 2, when they give Glover the pistol and show the man some respect. Also, they show mercy to the female from the first Predator film because she's not armed. Similar things happen here.

So there's two examples.


Let me first say I loved this movie. I was going to come in here and say how BAD Joblo dropped the ball in his review. But I see that a lot of you feel the same way, so I guess that idea is probably going to face some opposition here.

This movie is 10 times better than I thought it would be. I had a blast. It has the strongest female lead in a film that I can remember for a long time. Even though I knew this was going to be "just and action flick," I was actually caring for a few of the characters here. Sanaa Lathan was awesome. She needs to be in more flicks. Dare I say she was the best female lead since Ripley?

I also loved the way that the Predators were portrayed. They aren't just coldblooded killers. They're hunters with a code of honor, and this films shows this. I love how he let Weyland go when he saw that he was sick. And you notice that they only kill enemies with weapons, or those that stole their weapons. Very true to the Predator films.

The Aliens were vicious as hell too. One race wasn't dominant over the other. That one Alien took those Predators out quickly, and the Predator from the end was equally badass.

Overall, this movie is great. Go see it for yourself and judge. Don't base your decision on what I, or anyone else here has said. I think you'll enjoy it.

AVP is not as good as the original PREDATOR, or ALIEN, but it IS better than all the sequels to those two films. A fun time, and even though I rarely rate films, I'm inclined to give this a good 8.5 or 9/10.

[Shockwave]

AVP is not as good as the original PREDATOR, or ALIEN, but it IS better than all the sequels to those two films.

..u think its better then Aliens?

[Sigur509]

I would give AVP a 5/10, for some cool fight scenes. But thats it, the acting is bad, the story is shit. The only things that save this movie arn't even real. There were some times I wanted to walk out of the theater.

[DesiccanT]

This movie sucked so much ass, OMG. I hated everything about this movie, except that little scene of how Predators were regarded as gods on Earth long time ago. Everything else was so Baaaaaaaaad. I hated that black chick. And idea to team up Predator and that chick was the stupidest thing in the whole wide world. John Travolta's hair in THE PUNISHER is 10 better than all of this movie. Shame.

0.5/10

-- The Humble Narrator-- I am sorry that I have taken you to see this movie. I am truly ashamed for what I have done.

[MadsenOMC]

I can think of stronger female leads in movies I saw this week. That's hilarious. Could she have been any more of a one-dimensional cardboard character? I think not. And her performance is nothing special. Just does exactly what's required of her. Not even acting really. She's just there. Anyone could have played that part. Any actress in Hollywood between the ages of 25 and 35 could have done it.

[Shockwave]

I thought she was pretty good, its not like she hd much to work with.

[MadsenOMC]

Even if you think her performance is decent, would you ever in a million years label her character a strong female lead?

[roadrage]

Sanaa Lathan was awesome. She needs to be in more flicks. Dare I say she was the best female lead since Ripley?

WOW!! This chick sucked. I wanted to see her dead. She could have fallen off the cliff at the beginning of the movie and no one would have missed her.

She actually yelled at the Predator, then again later talked to him, then looked like she was going to make out with him!! Come to think of it - she looked like a Predator with that nappy hair.

Worse than Van Helsing - 4/10

Verdict: 3/10 (1 for Alien, 1 for Predator and 1 for Lance Henrikson)

[Shockwave]

Even if you think her performance is decent, would you ever in a million years label her character a strong female lead?

Not a chance.


Jackie Brown, The Bride, Laurie Strode, Ripley,Clarice Starling, and Sarah Connor are a few of my favorites.

THESE are strong female leads.

[Ron34]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Not a chance.


Jackie Brown, The Bride, Laurie Strode, Ripley,Clarice Starling, and Sarah Connor are a few of my favorites.

THESE are strong female leads.


I agree!

[Badbird]

I think the verdict will pretty much be the same with any Paul Anderson film. AVP: Love it or Hate it (Or really fucking hate it)

I must say I was impressed.

But before that, I should point out that I grew up on Aliens and Predator, not Star Wars. Predator 2 was my favorite movie for the longest time (and is still in my top ten). What always made the AVP concept great to me was that it made sense , unlike Freddy vs Jason, King Kong vs Godzilla. Aliens and Predator were two serious, well written, brooding sci fi sagas that fit each other perfectly. My dreams were crushed again and again with the whole AVP movie on again, off again, on again, off again, no freakin chance ever again... on again. AVP was my Episode I.

But it had many forces working against it:

1 - Paul Anderson has not done anything to suggest him capable of anything close to the best Alien or Predator movies.

2 - Aliens on present day Earth, WTF?

3 - 1980's rehashes tend to feel more depressing than fun.

4 - No name cast (Lance Henrickson doesn't count).

5 - Terible marketing campaign.

6 - (Worst of all) The dreaded PG13.

When that came down, I pretty much left this movie for dead. I lost all hope. Anderson was going to turn it into a cheesy Mortal Kombat slugfest with nothing but editing, special effects, and out of place humor. I expected the worse.

What I got was better that Alien 3 and 4, that's for damn sure.

I figured most people would complain about the slow build up. I think Adnerson showed tremendous restraint in not going right in for some silly AVP smackdown flashback. He actually waited till some, sadly superficial, character building before throwing them into the meat grinder. I admire his attempt, but Anderson just can't write characters well. He needs a writing partner desperately, though I thought the main chick was developed fine.

I should also point out that I was always a bigger fan of the Predator movies than Alien, so I was just thrilled to see any Predator back on screen with his blades and spears and laser cannons blasting away. And I thought the Aliens came off as more dangerous and violent than any Alien movie. Especially the Queen, which for once appeared to be the fearsome creature it was intended to be.

The story was its main weekness. Present day? Antarctica? Who the fuck takes machine guns to a frozen wasteland with no one there? It was esentially a cross between Resident Evil, Stargate, and Alien Resurection. In fact, the story was nealy plot point for plot point a carbon copy of Resident Evil. Yet it also mimicked the original AVP comic very closely, especially towards the end.

Also, the characters simply weren't defined enough. What made the ALien and Predator movies work so well was that they had great casts through and through. AVP did not. It really needed a stronger lead that what it had. She did a good job, but I think the movie would have gotten tons more credibility had it had a big name in the lead role.

I thought the action was great. Like I said, I think this is the scariest and most intimidating the Aliens have been. Without Kevin Peter Hall, though, the Predators were a little on the stiff side, but bad asses none the less. The weapons were cool, the effects were outstanding, and the final showdown with the Queen was unbeleavably awesome - every fan boy's wet dream come true.

And believe it or not, the PG13 didn't hurt it. Chalk up another one to the "I can't believe this got a PG13" list of movies. This was violent. Way more violent than Alien 4, which got an R. Yeah, there's some cut aways and such, but you see the chestburster, you see the Predator blade impalings, with blood. The MPAA must have had their head too far up their ass to see what was going on, because there's no way this should be PG13. Granted there aren't buckets of blood a la Predator, but still...

Overall ranking per series:

Predator 2
Predator
AVP

Aliens
AVP
Alien
Alien 4
Alien 3

Pros:

Best. Concept. Ever.
It's Predator!
Great fight sequences.
Spectacular effects.
Beautifully shot.
Great fanale.

Cons:

Silly background story.
No name cast.
Aliens on present day Earth?
Needed some Colonial Marines.
No Predator music theme (aka: Best theme of all time).
Should've just used original comic book story.

Overall: Kick Ass fuckin movie.

[Nachokoolaid]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Not a chance.


Jackie Brown, The Bride, Laurie Strode, Ripley,Clarice Starling, and Sarah Connor are a few of my favorites.

THESE are strong female leads.

I'll grant you the Bride, because that's pretty recent. But I was talking about strong female leads in RECENT film. I can't think of too many. I agree with all of these, and I think Lathan's name deserves to be mentioned among them. Was she better than Ripley? No. Was she better than "Ripley" in Alien: Ressurection"? Yes. And besides the Bride, she represents one of the only cases of strong female lead characters in recent years.

[Nachokoolaid]

Originally posted by Shockwave
..u think its better then Aliens?

Ok, on par at least. Maybe not better, but I had more FUN. You get me? I was always a bigger Predator fan than an Alien fan anyway. So maybe that's why I like it.

[Mahab]

The last twenty minutes or so contained some of the best unintentional comedy this side of Dreamcatcher. Pretty much after the Predator pussed out and turned into a big, destructive teddy bear.

4/10 - I might get around to a full review later. I agree with whoever said this was worse than Van Helsing. Yikes.

[mr_gamecube]

I thought this movie was kick ass!!!!!! 8/10!

[Skysaber]

Horrible.

3/10

[MadsenOMC]

I am astounded that anyone thinks the PG-13 rating didn't hurt. And I'm sorry, but this isn't close to as violent as Alien: Resurrection.

SPOILERS!

In Alien: Resurrection, there is a scene where a chestburster comes out the guy's chest and then goes through another guy's head. Remember? That scene alone is 10 times more violent and gory than AVP. And there is more, but it doesn't even need to be mentioned.

This is not a violent, gory movie. There is hardly any blood, and the few times there is blood, it's harmless, like a few drops on the predator's weapon after he's stabbed someone. Almost every single human kill is offscreen. You hear it and that's it. You don't get to see a damn thing. Is that a violent, brutal movie for you? I sure as hell hope not.

So what is there, then? Some predator blood when an alien stabs him, and the predator cuts up some aliens pretty good here and there. And that's it. Seriously, folks, does that equal a violent, gory movie for you, a few drops of human blood and a few scenes of a cut up alien? Because that is all we get in this movie. You know why it's rated PG-13? Because that is what it deserved. It doesn't push the rating at all. Not even close. Go and rewatch the Alien and Predator movies. You will see why those are all rated R, and why this one isn't. There is simply no comparison, and this movie suffers because of it.

And as for it being better than Alien, well, I'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Otherwise, I'd say things that would get be kicked out of this place.

[Silverload]

Originally posted by Jim H
Weren't James Cameron and Ridley Scott interested in being involved in an earlier stage? What happened there?

I don’t know what happen to Ridley Scott but James Cameron told Fox he would be involved with the next Alien movie (I think as writer and producer, not sure) only under the condition that they not greenlight Alien vs. Predator. Fox chose AVP.

I’ll be seeing Alien vs. Predator either today or tomorrow but my anticipation has really dropped after reading all these negative reviews.

[Shockwave]

I'll grant you the Bride, because that's pretty recent. But I was talking about strong female leads in RECENT film. I can't think of too many. I agree with all of these, and I think Lathan's name deserves to be mentioned among them. Was she better than Ripley? No. Was she better than "Ripley" in Alien: Ressurection"? Yes. And besides the Bride, she represents one of the only cases of strong female lead characters in recent years.

I will give u that, i did enjoy this far more then Alien Ressurection. Thats not saying much, but at least this works on a "so bad its good" level, while Alien: Ressurection was just bad.

[Shockwave]

I don’t know what happen to Ridley Scott but James Cameron told Fox he would be involved with the next Alien movie (I think as writer and producer, not sure) only under the condition that they not greenlight Alien vs. Predator. Fox chose AVP.

Why would u want James Cameron when u can have Paul Anderson?;)


...Fox is run by monkeys.

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I am astounded that anyone thinks the PG-13 rating didn't hurt. And I'm sorry, but this isn't close to as violent as Alien: Resurrection.

Phew. It's a relief then that AVP's a better movie than Alien: Resurrection.

[MadsenOMC]

I wasn't comparing the actual quality, but I'll take Resurrection over AVP any day of the week. Much more violence and gore, as I already mentioned, and a far superior cast, director and look. For me there's no comparison.

[XCoRyX]

was fun, but nowhere near what I thought and expected it to be... with these 2 franchises summed together we could've had such an amazing story going on, instead we had an average cool story but bottomline, everything equals in to a bit of a letdown, but still watchable...

[chinton]

That whole twist at the end with the lead character and the good Predator was one of the most moronic things Ive seen in a long time. Thankfully the movie was fun since I jus t made fun of it since it was so idiotically funny. I really loved how you could take a lot of chareacters and break them down by one word or phrase characterstics.

For example: half-assed black Ripley
macho black dude
dying old guy
Italian guy
guy with camera

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by chinton
That whole twist at the end with the lead character and the good Predator was one of the most moronic things Ive seen in a long time.

I don't see how it was moronic. Preds have a code of honor, as seen in Predator 2. Because Lex was able to kill an Alien, the Predator showed respect by giving her the skull and Tail Spear and letting her tag along.

Straight from the comics.

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
You know why it's rated PG-13?

Because the studio made Anderson cut it down to a PG-13. He went for a hard R, and it can't show because it was cut down.

I personally don't think it hurt since most of the violence was between the Aliens and Predators, as expected. I will be looking forward to an R rated or even unrated DVD in the future though. :)

[gspawn]

And I just got another report because I learned my fiancee has "that novel"...

*movie spoilers, basically*

-Book basically stars a Japanese chick.
-Japanese chick turns out to be able to take Aliens in close combat (Whole teams of hardass space folk stood no chance but "some female" is whipping ass? Yeah, whatever.)
-Chick impresses Predator.
-Chick teams up with a Predator.
-Predator doesn't make it out
-Japanese chick becomes one with Predators.

I can see why the director made the movie he did (it's slightly less ridiculous than the book that they should just own up to taking inspiration from) but it still just reeks.

[PsycoPat]

DO NOT SEE THIS MOVIE... I SAW IT LAST NIGHT AND IT IS TERRIBLE!!!

I cannot stress this enough!

DO NOT SEE THIS MOVIE ...I SAW IT LAST NIGHT AND IT IS TERRIBLE!!!

I have a few things to do right now, but I will let everyone know ALL the reasons why: DO NOT SEE THIS MOVIE... I SAW IT LAST NIGHT AND IT IS TERRIBLE!!!

Just one quick example (like I said I don't have time to go into it and I'll post again again in a few hours).

Place: 2000 feet below the ice in the most unihabitable part of the world (South Pole middle of winter), all humans dead except for one:

Great time for a Pepsi commercial! (yes, I'm serious!)

More to come in a few hours...

Mean while:


DO NOT SEE THIS MOVIE ...I SAW IT LAST NIGHT AND IT IS TERRIBLE!!!

[PsycoPat]

Originally posted by Nachokoolaid
Ok, on par at least. Maybe not better, but I had more FUN. You get me? I was always a bigger Predator fan than an Alien fan anyway. So maybe that's why I like it.

Sorry just saw this little quote.

NO!

Not on par with Aliens.

No!

Not in the same universe!

NO!

Not even close.

HOW DARE YOU!

On par with Mission Mars, CaddyShack II, and Get Carter?

Yes, now we're getting somewhere.

Aliens?


NO!

[Jim H]

Did you read the book? I rather liked it. Not a great book, but I thought it was enjoyable. As I recall, she mostly shoots aliens.

[ilovemovies]

Saw it last night and I thought it was decent. I would agree that it should have rated R. Because of the PG-13 it's not nearly as much fun as Freddy Vs. Jason was. Compare Freddy and Jason's fights with the Alien and Predators and it's pretty clear which one is cooler to me. Still, it's got some suspenseful moments, it's nicely atmospheric and it is fun.


*** (out of ****)

[VickieLee1967]

I saw this movie last night and I thought it could have been better. It did not totally suck but something seamed to be missing. Like they took a good part out. It was so predictable!!!

[transcom]

that Andersons really knows how to fuct up a good franchise, that is for sure. I saw this piece last night and , it just blows dog. (Spoilers ahead !!)

Ok, Predators and humans don't run together, in slow motion, with a huge casting light behind them, because well, it looks like f_ckin Batman and Robin. Ok, the Alien/Predator hybrid puppet just ... I can't even put it into words, f_uckin blew. I just left shaking my head, laughing and saying to myself, I was an idiot for spending ten dollars on that. I should have stayed home and watched A Bugs Life on Disney.

[VickieLee1967]

(that Andersons really knows how to fuct up a good franchise, that is for sure. I saw this piece last night and , it just blows dog. (Spoilers ahead !!)


ROTFLMAO

[Anthony4sho]

SPOILERS





Although most reviewers are saying that the movie is bad for various reasons, They are only saying this because they don’t comprehend the Aliens instinct to Procreate or the Predators embodiment of Honor or Pride.

When people complain about a movies rating because they wanted more "gore" they are basically giving away the fact that they don’t care about a story or have a respect for either of the two alien races, they simply want to see the "insides" of people when they die. And that, to me, seems creepy....

As far as the complaints that a single Alien kills two Predators, You have to take previous knowledge of both alien races into account. For starters, the predators primarily use different vision modes within their masks to defeat the use of camouflage. Humans give off heat, so while hunting them, Predators use Thermal Vision. In the movie Aliens, the colonial space marines have a Thermal scanner but, as they say, Aliens aren’t picked up on the Thermal scans, thus describing that Predators cant see them while using the Thermal setting in there helmets. So as far as the first Predator death, he didn’t know it was there. And while the first Predator was being held up in the air, the Celtic Predator switches to the Electro-Magnetic vision mode to see the Alien. The alien only wins the Fight that follows because the predator does not have his primary projectile, the Plasma Caster and is a young warrior, compared to Human 15 year old male.

Another popular complaint is the fact that the Scar Predator doesn't kill Lex. As stated in an earlier review, soft-meat's aren't supposed to defeat hard-meats in a one-on-one fight, of course in this case the soft-meat is the human and the hard-meat is the alien. So when the alien was attacking Lex, the Scar Predator stood by and watched. Once it died, the predator saw her as a warrior; to him she was a better warrior than the two Predators that died before her. The concept isn't difficult to understand if you can think of the Scar Predator as a Human tribal male going though his tribe’s man-hood ritual. He even watched her kill Sebastian out of mercy, as he was held against the wall by the alien hive nodes. He respects her as an equal, and because of this he fights along side her for the late third of the film.

The next popular complaint would be the fact that in Aliens 3, Charles Bishop Wayland was talking Ripley out of committing suicide. That was obviously all a fabrication if you think about what he was saying. He wants to help her, he wants to wipe out aliens also, he wants to make his wrongs right, all of those things are a huge contradiction to the orders from Wayland industries in the previous movies. As Lance Henrickson said about that role, he was simply an advanced model synthetic, and he was trying to trick Ripley so the company could have the Queen Alien in captivity. To believe that he was actually Mr. Wayland in Aliens 3 you'd have to be ignorant to every other order that came from Wayland industries in the entire Alien series.

Most other complaints don’t make sense. "Its cold outside and there wearing small jackets", "Its the same as Freddy Vs. Jason", "Predators cant be killed that easily" and "Why did Paul Anderson direct it?". There are lightweight thermal cloths that all special operation teams around the world use for coats, sleeping bags, and the sort. Just because a reviewer is too poor to be able to afford this material doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The movie is similar to Freddy Vs. Jason in the sense that the abbreviation for versus is in the title. The Predators in this movie were young unseasoned warriors who weren't able to initiate their test properly because the humans took the Plasma Casters and that began everything. And Director Paul W.S. Anderson directed the movie because he wrote it, has spent 10 years developing it, and is one of the few fans that actually respects the genealogy, anatomy and beliefs of both the Alien creatures and the Predators.

I believe this movie truly moved both Predator Lore and Alien Mythology further. Never before have the "reasons" of both of these creatures been depicted so powerfully. The Aliens, referred to as 'Serpents' in AVP because of the sculptures along the walls of the pyramid, are more dominating than ever before. In one scene an Alien Warrior kills two Predators, a definite contradiction to what most audience members were expecting. On the other side, a properly equip Predator dominates the entire movie until he is faced with the task of defeating the Queen, which he still manages to do at the expense of a mortal wound. It was not just another scary movie; it was a film that defined the creatures better than its predecessors.

And finally for those who say there was no winner, The Predators live by a code that is similar to that of Samurai. The Scar Predator, although dead, is honored as completing the trials of man-hood. So if you lack the understandings of Honor and Pride, I suggest you turn to a creature besides the Predator for random gore and kills.

That said AVP has more of a story line, and a deeper meaning behind all the events that happen. Its not just another super villain vs. super villain film, its a story that very beautifully describes the connection between these two amazing creatures.

-Kyle Mesa

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Finally, someone else who understands on a deeper level of what AvP was doing. Great post Anthony4sho. :)

[drdash]

great film and the best aliens film since cameron's aliens. loved the battle scenes and i loved how bad ass the main predator was, he was like the wolverine of predators. now the characters were one dimensional but you knew they were cannon fodder. alex, the main character was very reminiscent of the main character of the AVp comics, the japanese women i can't remember her name at the moment. and henrikksen was awesome as usual. can't wait for the unrated dvd that is sure to follow. in my opinion another homerun by anderson(which i myabe lambasted for, but i love all of his films and own them all on dvd).
9/10

ciao
drdash

[chinton]

Its not that I didnt unrstand the whole code thing. It wasnt that hard to figure out that Predatprs were into honor. That still doesnt make the ending any less ridiculous. I think Anderson wanted it to be taken seriously but I just find it really funny. Especially at the end where theyre running away from the explosion. The image of Alex or whatever her anme is and the Predator running away was hysterical. Also at the end where he had to mark her face. How it was handled I just thought was so corny.


Also why did the movie have so many characters. I know a film needs to have fodder but it seemed like most of the film was a bunch of characters we never met getting killed.


Where are movies like Aliens. Aliens was also an action/horror film but it also managed to create a lot of great character and atmosphere while still being fun. Oh wait a minute that movie wasnt ridiculously short.

[NuclearMisfit]

6/10. I dont even want to talk about it.

[PsycoPat]

I have a host of reasons why this movie sucked...



Spoilers***But g'head and read anyways since you're not missing anything***





For Anthony4sho and Fred Krueger...Um yeah I do understand the "Mythology" also I understand the "Methodology"

The Predators skin their victims (remember that?)...

In this movie they hang them upside down neatly with all their clothes still on...

And if ya wanna do that at least show SOME kind of wound where they were just impaled.

I have a limited knowledge of ecology, but from what I understand you can't even fly a helicopter where these people were because the fuel will freeze. Ya damn sure can't sail a ship there!

Forget about weraing jackets in the southpole in the middle of winter...Could be at least see their breath when they talk?!?

And of course all hard core explorers climb moutains in Nepal with their cel phone turned on (and of course it would get reception)...

Ya know what?

I could go on and on.

But this film isn't even worth it.

Shame on ANYONE who recommends this!

But hey see it for yourself if you have to.

1/10....

Note: it gets a "1" because of one of the most (unintentionally) funny lines that I've heard in awhile...

Only 2 people are left after dozens have been slaughtered (bloodlessly). They're locked in a pyarmid 2,000 feet below the ice in the south pole (and aren't the least bit cold), while Aliens and Predators are kicking each other's ass outside. And the explorer turns to the archeologist and says:

"Its time consider the possibilty that we might not make it out of here alive."

Um yeah, no shit huh?

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by PsycoPat
I have a host of reasons why this movie sucked...



Spoilers***But g'head and read anyways since you're not missing anything***






The Predators skin their victims (remember that?)...

In this movie they hang them upside down neatly with all their clothes still on...

And if ya wanna do that at least show SOME kind of wound where they were just impaled.

I have a limited knowledge of ecology, but from what I understand you can't even fly a helicopter where these people were because the fuel will freeze. Ya damn sure can't sail a ship there!

Forget about weraing jackets in the southpole in the middle of winter...Could be at least see their breath when they talk?!?

And of course all hard core explorers climb moutains in Nepal with their cel phone turned on (and of course it would get reception)...



Predators skinning their victims: They left their victims to skin later. The humans weren't their main targets, the Aliens were. The Preds weren't gonna waste their time skinning them.

All this stuff about fuel freezing, jackets, and cell phones is just nit picking. You obviously went in looking for things to hate.

But hey, that's your right.

[Shockwave]

Yeah, god forbid he dislike a movie.

I agree with almost everything he said, yeah its little stuff, but it piles up after awhile.

After all the bullshit i thought the movies biggest sin was that it was absolutely boring.

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by NuclearMisfit
6/10. I dont even want to talk about it.

Ditto, though I had plenty to say in the "What Did You Think?" forum.

[PsycoPat]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
You obviously went in looking for things to hate.

But hey, that's your right.

Do you see what it says right under my name?

Its the exact OPPOSITE of what you said.

I don't go to midnight showings of movies I'm looking to hate.

Check some of my previous posts.

I COULDN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS FILM!

That's why I'm so passionate on this topic.

I see crappy movies all the time and don't come on here bitching about it.

I was really dissappointed. I gave this movie as much latitude as I could. I bent over backwards, but 30 minutes in it was obvious what was going on.

Believe me, I wanted to LOVE this movie.

It sucked! Plain and simple.

However, I do agree that people (if they absolutely have to) should see it for themselves and decide.

I am not an infallible quality monitor, but I do care about my fellow Schmoes and wanted to warn them.

I've made my feelings clear.

I'm done posting on this (heavy sigh).

[EightLegFreakKW]

I saw this movie last night with my friend, and I have got to say...way too many people takes films like these way too seriously. Take them for what they are: mindless entertainment. I knew that that's what I was going to get when I went in (I'm a big fan of mindless entertainment anyways), and I wasn't disappointed at all. In fact, my expectations were exceeded.
This seriously folks, is one of the most entertaining movies I have ever seen. Trust me when I say this, I love the previous Predator movies (not so much Alien...IMO, Predator is so much fucking cooler), and this movie paid a great homage to the previous movies.

And to the people who say that the PG-13 rating is gay, retarded, etc. I have seen a ton of films, and this is the goriest PG-13 movie I have ever seen. There is a ton of plasma being spilled, even if most of it is only from the Aliens and Predator. That's what the movie is called: Alien vs. Predator, not Alien vs. Predator vs. Humans. And, with the gore that is present I was surprised that it got the rating. This is R-rated gore.






*****SPOILERS*****:
Such as the chestbursting scene...a few years ago, you never would have seen that in a PG-13 movie. It just goes to show how lenient the MPAA is getting.

I saw human blood splatter, bloody human stab wounds (very briefly when a Predator stabs a guy through the stomach with his claws.

And pretty much non-stop Alien and Predator plasma, including decapitations and dismemberments. When was the last time anyone saw this much violence and carnage in a PG-13? I sure as hell haven't.
****END OF SPOILERS*****





Everyone please just lighten up, and take it what it is for. I'm thinking about going to see it again, because I loved it so much.

Also, give Paul Anderson a break. It's his movie. If you think you could have done better, why didn't you go to Fox and ask if you could do it instead? He did what probably most of us could not.

It's my favorite movie of the year, and actually one of my favorite movies of all time. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Alien vs. Predator: 10/10

[badberry]

Originally posted by EightLegFreakKW
Also, give Paul Anderson a break. It's his movie. If you think you could have done better, why didn't you go to Fox and ask if you could do it instead? He did what probably most of us could not.


God, I hate it when people use this argument....

WE ARE NOT DIRECTORS. That is not our job. It's his. And obviously many are unhappy with how he did it. Whether or not anyone here "could have done better" is totally irrelevant. Guh.

[EightLegFreakKW]

Originally posted by badberry
God, I hate it when people use this argument....

WE ARE NOT DIRECTORS. That is not our job. It's his. And obviously many are unhappy with how he did it. Whether or not anyone here "could have done better" is totally irrelevant. Guh.

The main reason I made that statement is not just to the directing in this movie, but to Paul Anderson and his films in general. It pisses me off, because when people see one of his films that they don't like, then they automatically hate the rest. People automatically assume that if one of the movies that they saw of his they though was bad then the rest have to be bad. People do have the option of not watching a movie that's directed by him. No one forces you to watch the movie. Now, I'm not saying that because no one forced you to watch the movie that you have to like it, that's all about being an individual - having our own opinions. And that was my opinion on the matter. Plus, there's no need to get ultra-defensive on the matter, because as I stated previously, it was an opinion.

If you don't like the directing in this movie, that's fine, I just stated what I thought on the matter. He directed it, and that's it.

[chinton]

Good point.

I think Ive seen most of his films and every one is a disspointment especially this and Resident Evil. Maybe Ill like one of his films someday

[syxxpac]

Or maybe badberry saw most if not all of Anderson's previous flicks, thought they were mediocre or just plain bad, and made an educated guess that AVP was probably (but not definitely, since he had no way of knowing without seeing it for himself) going to end up as such.

For example, if you hired a painter to paint your house and your garage, and does a crappy job on both, do you think he's going to do a spectacular job on your woodshed if you asked him to paint that?

[go2]

i saw the movie opening day and it was pretty good.it had cool fight scenes.it's not as good as alien,aliens,and predator.but it is better than alien 3,alien ressurection,and predator 2.
a decent 7/10 flick.

[Tweek]

Great time for a Pepsi commercial! (yes, I'm serious!)


LOL!

I have GOT to see that!

[Dignan]

Originally posted by EightLegFreakKW
so, give Paul Anderson a break. It's his movie. If you think you could have done better, why didn't you go to Fox and ask if you could do it instead? He did what probably most of us could not.

I might give him a break as a director( I think he is mediocre at best, but he at least has a little visual flair).

But as a writer? He sucks. Ass. And yeah, I know I could have done a better job. Way better. Hell, I've seen fanscripts way better. Fox was just out to make a quick buck by hiring a guy who wrote and directed a few other big franchise hits.

And for the record, I enjoyed Alien Vs. Predator. It was pretty fun, despite its flaws, and as a big fan of both franchises I will be picking it up when it comes out on Dvd(hopefully in R rated format).

6/10

[MadsenOMC]

Holy shit Anthony4sho. That is an impressive dissertation. But I think it's also way off base and makes broad, sweeping generalizations that are both unfair and untrue. Heaven forbid people don't like the movie. I am a die-hard fan of both series. I love these movies, even Alien 3. And I was entertained by Resurrection. Kept my attention, even if it's a mess. I love both Predator movies. So you can't accuse me of not being a "true fan," or any other bullshit. The complaints by everyone are valid. This is an extremely flawed movie. There is a reason that so many fanboys aren't satisfied with it. When a lot of people are saying the same thing, you have to at least consider its validity. I am not saying that those who enjoyed the movie are wrong, so don't take it that way. Some complaints are minor and some are not. Some things are easy to overlook (I had no problem with the weak writing and acting), and some are not. As for the rating, of course fans wanted a good story at least as much as they wanted lots of gore. But they sure as hell didn't get a good story here. Not even an OK one. It's as thin and cliched as it gets for the genre. And Jesus man, take a look at the fucking title of the movie. Take a look at the ratings for all of the entries in both series. See any PG-13, other than this one? I didn't think so. So what the fuck is wrong with wanting a little brutality and gore? Nothing, my good man. It should be a given for this movie. And it has little to none. So those upset with the rating have an incredibly valid point. Hey, you liked it. That's fine. Good for you. I will admit that it's not totally without some entertainment value, most of it in a so bad it's good kind of way. But many die-hard fans expected or hoped for more. And with good reason. And we have good reason to be disappointed.

[transcom]

yea, so why didn't the Predators have their camoflage on the whole time if they didn't have their Plasma cannons? They ran into the pyrimad after seeing that the humans take the cannons then they turned on the camo.

Why didn't they ALL keep it on for the battle with the Aliens? Why didn't the scar predator turn his on after seeing the Queen? How come the scar predator couldn't "bite" his way through the face hugger with his four extended mandible jaws and razor sharp teeth or slice him up with one of his handheld weapons?

So how did the Marines exactly track the Aliens in "Aliens"? Your telling me the Predators went into this ritual hunt knowing that all 5 levels of thermal vision wouldn't pick up an Alien body? They don't have heat? Remember when Billy killed that scorpian in Predator and the Predator came down and picked it up and it lost its heat? He could still make out what it was in his hand.

And how would an egg, already fertilized by a face hugger, pick up the DNA sequence that is in a Predators body? All crap.

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by transcom
And how would an egg, already fertilized by a face hugger, pick up the DNA sequence that is in a Predators body? All crap.

All Aliens take on characteristics of their host. The Alien in the original resembled a more humanoid figure, the Alien in 3 took on the characteristics of the dog, etc.

[transcom]

Ok, so just throw on some mandible jaws and leave the rest, that makes sense. Also, I didn't know dogs could run upside down on ceilings. And if they do, where were the puppy dog ears on the Alien in Alien 3. "COP-OUT!"

Face it, Anderson and his buddies were smokin the dubbage and at the last minute they decided, "He, wouldn't it be cool if we like put some Predator jaws on the chest buster"? "Yea, lets do it, then we will have a reason to do a sequel".

Yea, it was just a shame how the second half of that movie went. Like when they were running together, towards the screen looked like something right out of that crappy movie Batman and Robin. I am surprised they weren't holding hands and kissing too. Stupid. I want my ten dollars back so I can go to Chucky Cheeses with my kids and play videogames.

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC


OK, I finally saw it. First of all, it's not 102 minutes long. The Fox logo went up at 2:15, and the credits began to roll before 3:45. Assuming the credits roll for 4 or 5 minutes, it's no longer than 95 minutes, and probably closer to 90. Who cares, you may ask? Well, I do. I think that's way too short, and it signifies something else: it was heavily edited, and it's easy to believe the stories that suggest it was being edited until the very last possible minute.





Actually I timed the movie myself and it was 101 minutes. But that is because the closing credits are REALLY LOOOOOONG!!! The movie itself was 88 minutes and I'm serious when the closing credits were 12 or 13 minutes long!

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by transcom
How come the scar predator couldn't "bite" his way through the face hugger with his four extended mandible jaws and razor sharp teeth or slice him up with one of his handheld weapons?

His face would've been burnt off.

Also, I didn't know dogs could run upside down on ceilings. And if they do, where were the puppy dog ears on the Alien in Alien 3. "COP-OUT!"

Dogs can't. But Aliens can.

[transcom]

It was all that extra time, effort and money that went into the last chest buster scene.

[transcom]

How would he know that if this was his first ritual hunt. Come on, stop makin excuses for Anderson. They could have set it up for another A VS P movie, just not in the way he did.

[syxxpac]

I'm not making excuses.

Just because it was their first hunt doesn't mean they didn't know what was going on. No doubt they'd been prepped beforehand about what was involved by their older, more experienced kin. It's the same as if a father was taking his son out to hunt deer. He'd tell him what the deal was but it'd be up to the son to get his own kill.

Only in this case the "deer" are Aliens and the sons are on their own.

[MadsenOMC]

Clearly there are numerous plot holes and inconsistencies and things that don't add up. If only those were the only problems with the movie.

[NuclearMisfit]

I think it was a bad idea to have teen Predators in this type of film :( , Paul Anderson said that these predators had battle armor on, what was that shit made out of cardboard? The aliens were punching through that shit like crazy. I never though Aliens could go through metal with their teeth.

I admit the ending was pretty clever since that happens in the game but it might have been better if it was rated R, theyd have the marines and filled in some of the plotholes.

I didnt like the fact that all the gore wasnt in this film, and the action was very dull and quick, they should have just named this movie Aliens and Predators because the versus part got lost somewhere in the middle.

What about that big ass gaping hole the Queen left in the predator, that alone would have destroyed the chestburster.

[Anthony4sho]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
So you can't accuse me of not being a "true fan," or any other bullshit.

I honestly don't think I was accusing anyone of not being a true fan.

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
There is a reason that so many fanboys aren't satisfied with it.

Reason: They let themselves down.

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I am not saying that those who enjoyed the movie are wrong, so don't take it that way.

I'm not saying that those who didn't like it are wrong.

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
As for the rating, of course fans wanted a good story at least as much as they wanted lots of gore. But they sure as hell didn't get a good story here. Not even an OK one.

Just out of interest, I would like to hear what you would have thought would make a good story for this type of movie. Please.

And the gore subject again......would this movie have been a better movie if you had seen the Alien's tongue rip through that guy's head? IMO, no. It would have been mindless entertainment with it, and it is without it.


Originally posted by MadsenOMC
And Jesus man, take a look at the fucking title of the movie.

What about the title? It says Alien Vs Predator. As far as I'm concerned, human's didn't even have to be involved for this movie.

It's obvious that you don't like the movie, and that I can do nothing to convince you to like it. I liked it, however. Were there plot holes? Of course. I can name a few off my head. Were there better routes the director could have taken to make this a much better film? Absolutely. Is it a masterpiece? Nope. Do I think P. Anderson did a good job? Not really. Could have been much better, and I would have actually preferred a superior Alien 5 done by Cameron over this. But this is what I got, and as soon as I heard P. A. was doing it, I knew it wasn't going to be the greatest, but I also knew it would be a fun way to spend my Friday night with my homies.

Oh and just for the record, the main predator was a badass.

[Jim H]

I have a limited knowledge of ecology, but from what I understand you can't even fly a helicopter where these people were because the fuel will freeze. Ya damn sure can't sail a ship there!

The fuel has stuff added to it to prevent it from solidifying. And the site the ship went to was partly an island.

Ok, so just throw on some mandible jaws and leave the rest, that makes sense. Also, I didn't know dogs could run upside down on ceilings. And if they do, where were the puppy dog ears on the Alien in Alien 3. "COP-OUT!"

You didn't notice the difference in form in the Alien in Alien 3?

Face it, Anderson and his buddies were smokin the dubbage and at the last minute they decided, "He, wouldn't it be cool if we like put some Predator jaws on the chest buster"? "Yea, lets do it, then we will have a reason to do a sequel".

http://www.gamescenter.sm/uploadimg/3dp4500/small_ph012.jpg

http://www.bosskey.net/shots/avp2/classes/predalien.jpg

http://www.predalien.com/predalien-4.jpg

He didn't come up with it.

What about that big ass gaping hole the Queen left in the predator, that alone would have destroyed the chestburster.

No. It is actually rather suprising that the queen would even kill him, but she was getting rather emotional. Still, aliens can sense if someone is impregnated, assumedly she would deliberately miss killing her offspring.

Why didn't they ALL keep it on for the battle with the Aliens? Why didn't the scar predator turn his on after seeing the Queen? How come the scar predator couldn't "bite" his way through the face hugger with his four extended mandible jaws and razor sharp teeth or slice him up with one of his handheld weapons?

Cloaking doesn't work on aliens. Do you see any eyes on them? Being hit by a facehugger knocks you unconcious, so that's not a valid point.

So how did the Marines exactly track the Aliens in "Aliens"?

They had motion sensing. You might recall someone mentioning how nothing shows up on thermal vision at all. This is likely because the ambient temperature in the hive is identical to that of the aliens themselves, whether or not they are ecothermic or endothermic isn't exactly known (they can survive in very cold and very hot environments though). The predators eventually have a vision mode which makes the aliens rather easy to see. Some vision modes work better in different environments, presumably why at one point the one pred switches vision modes rapidly.

Anyway... I saw it tonight.

I had very low expectations, considering the director and some reviews I had read. They were exceeded.

Considering how late I am in posting, I'll generally be brief on repeated points..

Characters have very little development - expected, didn't bother me. I did like the last scene with Weyland though.

Special effects were great, though the predator face wasn't nearly as good as in both pred movies.

Directing was actually pretty good. I liked the opening shot with the queen head thingy.

Dialogue has nothing worth remembering. Pacing was OK.

Editing was competent, though a few scenes were very confusing in a few spots (like the scene with the net, near the end.

Fight scenes... Better than I expected. They weren't great or anything, but they were decent and it was nice to see big screen AvP action.

I rather liked the lead predator, the scenes with him being generally badass were cool. I also liked the fight with the queen, they did a good job with that. Pred/human team up was rushed, but worked better than I expected.


****MILD SPOILERS****



After all the buildup with the grid alien and stuff, there was no payoff AT ALL. He kills two preds, is sort of threatening the last pred in a couple scenes, backs off, then attacks, only to just be buried in a massive explosion? WTF?



***END****


Could have been a lot better. I guess this is obvious. I wanted more fights between predators and aliens. There are really only a few.

I would have liked more gore, but it didn't hurt it as much as I expected. There were a few scenes that definetly looked as if they'd been trimmed.

I love the aliens a lot, and I also like the preds, so my scoring is a bit slanted... I would say it is arbitrarily a 7/10, but with my super pro-alien slant becomes a just barely 8/10.

I often rate movies differently than other people, since I enjoy many movies that are bad for their badness. AvP has elements of a genuinely good movie, and a few laughably bad.. They worked well together for me.



I hope it makes enough money for a sequel, but the sad thing is they'll probably get the same director.. Someone else could do better. Have a McTiernan and Jim Cameron direct it jointly. That'd be great.

[Badbird]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
Actually I timed the movie myself and it was 101 minutes. But that is because the closing credits are REALLY LOOOOOONG!!! The movie itself was 88 minutes and I'm serious when the closing credits were 12 or 13 minutes long!

Yeah, that's gotta be some kind of weird Anderson trademark. When Mortal Kombat played at my theater, I timed the credits and they were a whopping 10.5 minutes. I don't remember, but I think Resident Evil was the same. He usually has all the credits at the end with only a title credit at the begining, which is a method I prefer to obligatory opening credit montages.

And about the whole "good" Predator thing, honestly, if you'd read the original comic, or novel based on the comic, which in turn influenced the movie, there should be nothing about this that is surprising. He simply respected her as a warrior worthy of equel treatment, plus she might have saved his life as well. AND they had a bigger foe to worry about.

Something no one has said, but was something that I really apprecieated, was that Anderson didn't turn Lex into a rampaging super-woman-ultimate-warrior (IE, What's her name in Resident Evil) - instead she was pretty much scared out of her mind the whole time.

[usuallysuspected]

JoBlo's review actually nailed this one on the head for me, especially the line where he says it's "not as nearly as great as it should have been but not as nearly as horrible as it could have been either". The ending just killed me though. I totally understood the reasoning behind it, it just came off ridiculously corny to me and i had a hard time taking it seriously (that sheild and spear scence was a little too much)It did have some decent fight scenes though that managed to rescue the movie from being total shit. I dont know I 'm rambling now......5/10

[Magnificent]

Paul Anderson has ruined my dream.

After seeing this movie I went home and cried my eyes out.

Thank you FOX

[Moviefan1234]

I really don't have much to say what hasn't been already said. Now keep in mind I'm one of those people who isn't afraid to chuck my brain at the door and enjoy some good old fashioned popcorn entertainment. However, this turd was unbelievable. First off, the Predators were made to look as if I could nearly kick their asses, and believe me, I'm not a big guy. Second, this was a complete anal raping of the originals. I'm sorry, but I don't want to see the camera cut away from a chest bursting scene or see the Predators' victims hanging up with all their clothes on. And the thing that really did it for me was seeing the Predator running with a human staying with him stride for stride. COME ON! What a piece of trash.

4/10

[NuclearMisfit]

And they said The Village had plotholes. :rolleyes:

[Scarface98.9]

I saw this movie yesterday, and is somewhere between a 5 or 6/10. I thought it was ok, though didn't have the devotion to Aliens or Predators as others do. It was decent, but considering how dark the movie was, it was hard for me to see it a lot of the time, which gave me a headache. Though since I've been feeling like shit lately, I guess my brain was switched off just enough to not notice the plot holes (and if someone can name some of them, I'd like to know)

[Greenaway]

An estimated $38.25m take with an average of 11,226$. That's huge compared to most of the predictions given on these forums. It did fall pretty roughly after Friday, though. Perhaps another 66 percent drop next weekend?

Weekend Estimates from Boxofficemojo.com (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2004&wknd=33&p=.htm)

[chinton]

It seems that the inevitable is happening and this film is being compared to both the Alien and Predator films. Well lets rank the films that youve seen and where AVP fits in .



Alien- 9/10
Aliens-9/10
Predator- 8/10
Alien 3- 7/10 (I like this film more than most people.)

Predator 2 3/10
AVP- 3/10

AlienRessurection- 2/10 Doruf and Weaver were the only things good about this film.

[Anthony4sho]

Originally posted by Scarface98.9
I saw this movie yesterday, and is somewhere between a 5 or 6/10. I thought it was ok, though didn't have the devotion to Aliens or Predators as others do. It was decent, but considering how dark the movie was, it was hard for me to see it a lot of the time, which gave me a headache. Though since I've been feeling like shit lately, I guess my brain was switched off just enough to not notice the plot holes (and if someone can name some of them, I'd like to know)


Plot holes

The Predator Mask is said to have been made from a material that can cut through steel the way a knife cuts thru butter, yet the Alien tongue penetrates with ease. I don't know how true that is.

Umm.....The Queen impales the main Predator with her tail right thru his chest, however he had a baby Alien inside him, but it wasn't killed.

Another one is the fact that the Aliens may have developed too quickly. You can go by the fact that the pyramid changes every ten minutes, then figure out how many times the pyramid changed, and you get an estimated time of how long they were in. I haven't done the math, but they were probably in there no longer then an hour, and it takes at least a couple of hours before the Alien reaches it's final form. This is one thing that bothers me.

@Moviefan: IMHO, The Predator's kicked ass in this movie. The theater I was in was going crazy with people jumpin out of there seats and waving shirts over there head during the fight scenes. If P.A. did anything that was good for this movie, it was showing that the Predator's are capable of being defeated, and that they were not only mindless killers. And what did you expect from a PG-13 rating? Sounds like you went in expecting to hate this movie. As far as the running thing goes, I haven't read any of the comics but in the movies, as far as I can remember, they weren't displayed as World Class sprinters.

[Jerk Shapiro]

This is the worst piece of shit I've seen in a long, long time. This movie was made for one rea$on and one rea$on only. Not to be cool, not to be imaginative, but for the cash. To put money in Paul Anderson's pocket. And the end, oh my fucking God, what a pretentious 2 minutes that was. The acting was horrible, the plot was horrible, the fights weren't even exciting. I seriously fucking thought that the girl and the predator were going to kiss at the end, that's how lame it was.

Cheese wasn't meant for watching.


3/10

[Fisting Ackbar]

Originally posted by chinton
Well lets rank the films that youve seen and where AVP fits in .

ALIEN 9/10
ALIENS 8/10
PREDATOR 8/10
ALIEN 3 6/10
PREDATOR 2 5/10
ALIEN: RESURRECTION 5/10 (maybe even lower, haven't seen it for a long time)
AVP 4/10

[Jim H]

This is the worst piece of shit I've seen in a long, long time. This movie was made for one rea$on and one rea$on only. Not to be cool, not to be imaginative, but for the cash. To put money in Paul Anderson's pocket. And the end, oh my fucking God, what a pretentious 2 minutes that was. The acting was horrible, the plot was horrible, the fights weren't even exciting. I seriously fucking thought that the girl and the predator were going to kiss at the end, that's how lame it was.

How many studio releases are made for any reason besides money?

Anyway, I thought ranking the films sounds like a good idea...

Aliens 10/10
Alien 9/10
Predator 8/10

After that... I'm not sure in which order I'd put Alien 3, Predator 2, and AVP... All are 8/10s. I also haven't seen the extended Alien 3 yet, which is supposed to remarkably improve the film.. Also, I would guess AVP won't stand up to repeat viewings as well as the other films (and I won't like it quite as much as I did in the theatre, almost always the case).

So, tentatively...

Alien 3 8/10
AVP 8/10
Predator 2 8/10
Alien Ressurection: 5/10

[Murderous Squad]

Originally posted by chinton
Good point.

I think Ive seen most of his films and every one is a disspointment especially this and Resident Evil. Maybe Ill like one of his films someday


Event Horizon is amazing even though the bastard promised us an uncut version but the shitheads at paramount won't give this film the treatment it deserves.

[syxxpac]

My ratings for the series:

ALIENS: 10/10
ALIEN: 10/10
PREDATOR: 9/10
ALIEN 3 (Assembly Cut): 8/10
ALIEN VS. PREDATOR: 6/10
PREDATOR 2: 6/10
ALIEN: RESURRECTION: 5/10

[chinton]

sorry hated Event Horizon too. Good concept but I got tired of the scaring by loud noises every two minutes. Wasnt scary just annoying

[Magnificent]

From Best to Worst

ALIENS
PREDATOR
ALIEN
ALIEN 3
PREDATOR 2
ALIEN REUSSUECTION
ALIEN VS PREDATOR

[The Prowler]

Originally posted by Harry Warden
Don't care if I'm the only one but I loved this film.

I have yet to see the film but anyone that loves My Bloody Valentine is ok in my book. I hope I like it just as much,

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by Anthony4sho
@Moviefan: IMHO, The Predator's kicked ass in this movie. The theater I was in was going crazy with people jumpin out of there seats and waving shirts over there head during the fight scenes. If P.A. did anything that was good for this movie, it was showing that the Predator's are capable of being defeated, and that they were not only mindless killers. And what did you expect from a PG-13 rating? Sounds like you went in expecting to hate this movie. As far as the running thing goes, I haven't read any of the comics but in the movies, as far as I can remember, they weren't displayed as World Class sprinters.

Well the difference between our theatres is like night and day then. And I promise you I didn't go in wanting to hate it. I've been looking forward to it for about a year now.

[Nachokoolaid]

Originally posted by NuclearMisfit
And they said The Village had plotholes. :rolleyes:

Niether do, in my opinion. I liked them both.


And my BEST TO WORST:

PREDATOR
ALIEN
ALIENS
AVP
PREDATOR 2
ALIEN 3
ALIEN:RESSURECTION

[Shockwave]

Predator-10/10

Aliens-10/10

Alien-9/10

Predator 2-6/10

Aliens 3-6/10

Alien Ressurection-5/10

AVP-3/10

[gspawn]

Originally posted by Murderous Squad
Event Horizon is amazing even though the bastard promised us an uncut version but the shitheads at paramount won't give this film the treatment it deserves.

Loved Event Horizon. Cool, original, and lots of great actors doing great acting. I'm amazed it's not more highly regarded- I'd beg for more movies to be as fresh as I thought Horizon was walking out of the theatre.

[Jerk Shapiro]

Originally posted by Jim H
How many studio releases are made for any reason besides money?




Lots. But that doesn't mean they have to be pieces of shit like this. This was just horrible. The most pretentious and contrived thing I've seen in awhile.

[Shockwave]

I will agree that Event Horizon, while nothing truly spectatular, is Andersons one kick-butt movie.

..pity the DVD sucks so much ass.

[Scarface98.9]

My rankings (I haven't seen most of these movies in a long time, keep in mind)

Alien: 9/10
Predator: 8.5/10
Predator 2: 7/10
AVP: 5.5/10
Aliens: 5/10
Alien 3: 5/10

Haven't seen Ressurection.

Btw, did anyone else have a problem seeing things clearly during the movie like I did? I was feeling like shit yesterday, one of my worst days physically in a long time, but I'm sure my vision was fine. Since most of it took place in Antarctica, and mostly lit with cheap lights and such, it was harder for me. Anyone else have this problem? Or maybe just a theater thing?

[Shockwave]

The only time i had a hard time seeing anything was when the Alien and the Predator first fought it out. Twas a blur for me.

[MadsenOMC]

Not liking this movie does not mean that you went in expecting to hate it. Why is that so fucking hard to understand? Stop accusing people of going in expecting to dislike it just because they didn't love it like you did.

[HHH123007]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Not liking this movie does not mean that you went in expecting to hate it. Why is that so fucking hard to understand? Stop accusing people of going in expecting to dislike it just because they didn't love it like you did.

:rolleyes:

That was quite random...

[MadsenOMC]

No, it wasn't. If someone doesn't like the movie, certain individuals (they know who they are) insist that whoever didn't like it had their mind made up before they went. They went in knowing they would hate it. How could they know something like that? And why in the hell would anyone do that? It's ridiculous.

[HHH123007]

Well, considering that I don't clearly see what post you were referencing with that previous statement, I don't see how it could be anything but random.

[MadsenOMC]

If you read through the posts, it will be extremely easy to see which ones I am referencing. Sorry for any confusion. You really enjoy pouncing on me don't you? This isn't the first time.

[HHH123007]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
If you read through the posts, it will be extremely easy to see which ones I am referencing. Sorry for any confusion. You really enjoy pouncing on me don't you? This isn't the first time.

I didn't read anything in the topic before this page, so it seemed out of place. Sorry if there's some sort of fool standing up for the reason he gave it a 10/10 in here.

I don't enjoy pouncing on you as much as you might think....I was gonna respond to your post before I even noticed that you posted it. I was caught slightly off-guard by it.

[MadsenOMC]

See, that's exactly what it is not. It isn't "some fool" standing up for why he liked it. It's someone who liked it (which is fine) attacking various people who don't like it for deciding that they weren't going to like it before they even saw that. WTF? How would they know that? And why would anyone decide to dislike it before they saw it? I don't understand the rationale for throwing that accusation around. Am I wrong? It really isn't that big of a deal I guess. But even though I had reservations, I did not go in expecting to or wanting to hate it. And I seriously doubt anyone else did either. As I've said before, I am a huge fan of both series.

[mr_gamecube]

I for one loved this film, I thought it was bad ass!!!! I only had problems with a few parts but I thought it was cool none-less

8/10

[ilovemovies]

Since other people were ranking and rating both Alien and Predator series I'll do it too:


On a **** scale:

Aliens ****
Predator ***
Predator 2 ***
Alien: Resurrection ***
Alien **1/2
Alien 3 **


AVP would be in between Predator and Predator 2.

[Jim H]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
See, that's exactly what it is not. It isn't "some fool" standing up for why he liked it. It's someone who liked it (which is fine) attacking various people who don't like it for deciding that they weren't going to like it before they even saw that. WTF? How would they know that? And why would anyone decide to dislike it before they saw it? I don't understand the rationale for throwing that accusation around. Am I wrong? It really isn't that big of a deal I guess. But even though I had reservations, I did not go in expecting to or wanting to hate it. And I seriously doubt anyone else did either. As I've said before, I am a huge fan of both series.

Some people DO go into movies WANTING to hate it, which of course means they are more likely to. I don't really understand it, and I have no idea if that is part of the reason for some people's negative reviews of AVP or not.

[Weapon X]

Sit back and relax, people...this is gonna take a while.

*takes deep breath*

So I bought the 2-Disc "Predator" DVD partly because it came with a free ticket to the movie I was looking forward to the most this summer (aside from "Spider-Man 2", anyway), Paul W.S. Anderson's ALIEN VS. PREDATOR. Unfortunately, the theater I saw it at (which was not the place I usually see my movies) wasn't accepting the free pass, so I paid $6.50 for a matinee ticket. But at least - provided my usual theater accepts it - I'll get my second viewing for free.

And take my word for it - there WILL be a second viewing.

BEWARE OF MINOR (and a few major) SPOILERS!

Okay...so what does it have going for it?

• Aliens and Predator beating the royal piss out of each other. 'Nuff said.

• A surprisingly clever mix of ideas. There's the cool (if stolen) concept of an extraterrestrial race helping to shape early human civilization and thus being worshipped as gods, and the shapeshifting pyramid whose rubix cube-like formations make for some good close calls and tight squeezes. I also found very cool the idea of the pyramid only starting to change when the plasma cannons were removed from their "crypt"; it was like a silent cry of "Let the games begin!"

The movie also makes use of a weird thought that I had a few years ago, back when I first started getting into the "Alien" movies - if an Alien's body is resistant to its own acidic blood, I asked myself, could a human use the Alien skin as a shield against it? That answer is brought to us when "Scar", the requisite "good guy" Predator, fashions a shield and makeshift spear for Lex (Sanaa Lathan) from a skewered Alien's head and tail. I couldn't help but smirk with delight.

• Serviceable acting. Not great, not terrible. There are no standout performances, mainly because everyone seems a bit monotone when they're not screaming "Get me out of here!" You see, Anderson’s objective was to emulate the first Alien movie’s use of relatively unknown actors as a way of depending of the actors’ talent rather than name recognition. Honorable as that may seem, the result is lukewarm at best.

To be fair, Sanaa Lathan is beautiful enough to keep my attention, but she's got nothing on Sigourney Weaver as far as character strength. Lance Henrikson also shows up as a nice link-up between "AVP" and “Aliens”, a tactic that kinda floundered in "Alien3" but worked pretty well here.

• Many a nod to both the movies and the comics/novels that came before. The haters out there might scoff at the idea that Paul has any love or respect for the Alien and Predator franchises, but these same folks ridicule some of the plot points presented in this film and thus make it quite clear they don’t know the whole story themselves.

First off, there’s the teaming of a lead predator and a human female, which leads to an unexpected friendship and respect between the two races. This exact same concept was the backbone of "AVP: Prey", the first Alien/Predator clash, along with (SPOILERS: Highlight to read) Scar branding the sign of his clan upon Lex’s face with the blood of an Alien, the final fight with the Queen, and finally Scar dying under Lex’s sympathetic gaze. The final confrontation between Lex and the Predator race, with the Predators coming to claim Scar’s body and giving Lex his weapon...this is straight out of "Batman Vs. Predator". There’s a cute penguin gag (which had everybody in the theater giggling) that mirrors a similar scene in Aliens. Hell, even that stupid "Hunter’s Moon" line came from "Batman Vs. Predator".

Point is, Anderson did do his research, even if he missed a few details. I swear, I don't think I'll ever hear the end of the whole "Preds only like hot humid environments" schpeal. What, like they wouldn't hunt elsewhere just for the sake of a good challenge?

• An actual musical score as opposed to a lineup of dirty-guitar heavy metal songs that usually characterize Paul W.S. Anderson soundtracks. Harald Kloser's ("The Day After Tomorrow") work is nothing spectacular, but on a few occasions it did remind me of Alan Silvestri's "Predator" score.

• Reliance on practical effects more than CGI. Mucho kudos to Anderson and company for this. Sure, the CGI is obvious when it's there, but the shots are very well-rendered and relatively quick, and they mostly serve to enhance the live-action rather than substitute for it. True to Anderson's claims, the Aliens look better than ever; sort of a perfect halfway point between the overly phalic design of H.R. Giger's original Alien and the ridged heads of Stan Winston's swarming roaches. The Predators and their über-arsenel are adequately badass, if bulky and restraining; when finally revealed, Scar’s face also left me wondering why a change from the classic Kevin Peter Hall look was deemed necessary.

• The Alien Queen - she’s a real formidable menace again! Remember the fight between the Queen and Ripley in her Loading Suit from "Aliens"? Well, you don’t quite get anything of that caliber here, but unlike in "Alien Resurrection" - where the Queen loafs around moaning, is beheaded with one swipe, and is generally a big slimy wussy - the "AVP" Queen is a big, bad, bloodthirsty behemoth that almost had me yelling at the screen, "Get away from her, you bitch!"

On a side-note...the argument has been made that the Aliens have degenerated to being the Velociraptors from Jurassic Park, and the Queen is the T-Rex. In all fairness, the Queen/T-Rex comparion is understandable, but the Alien as Raptors? People, the Aliens were Raptors before there ever were the friggin’ Raptors! Just wanted to zip past that...

Now, on the downside:

• Does the PG-13 rating hurt the movie? As much as I hate to admit it, yes. Sure, we get plenty of Alien and Predator blood splashing around, but as expected, the human violence is left on the cutting room floor, with a chestbursting fast-edited to the point of being almost invisible. I also groaned just a little when first Lex cries, "I hope it wipes out every fucking thing in there!" and then she delivers to an Alien the classic line "You’re one ugly motherfu--!" only for the end to get cut off by a gun blast. Last I checked, a PG-13 movie could use the F-word provided it wasn’t in a sexual manner, but I guess the term "motherfucker" was too sexual for Fox’s liking. Fucking suits. Considering all but one of Paul Anderson’s previous films were rated R, it’s my firm belief that these edits were at the command of the Fox execs and not Anderson’s doing. Fingers crossed, we’ll get an Unrated Cut on the DVD.

I will give them a bonus point for one offscreen death that made me wince; we see the Predator's swinging blade, we hear the victim's scream, and then he see a splash of red against a nearby rock. I guess sometimes it is what you don't see that matters.

• As okay as the acting might be, the characters (aside from the Aliens and Predators) are just plain bland. The two most interesting folks are Lex Woods and Charles Bishop Weyland, and they're both given far too little to make the audience really give a damn about them. To Anderson's credit, there's a conversation between the two in the movie's first half - they discuss "making your mark" in the world (a theme that seems to circulate throughout the entire film), and Lex relates her father's death on an expedition - that really worked for me and stuck with me. Besides that, any efforts to give the humans any more flesh only comes across as a weak attempt at making us sympathetic to their plight; Ewen Bremner's character mentions his children three times, and not one of them made me care. (He was still cool in "The Rundown" though.)

• The overall feeling of being hurried along way too quickly. The runtime is thankfully not the 87 minutes it was rumored to be, but the 100/105 minutes do sweep by and leave you wanting more. The Alien life cycle seems incredibly quick compared to the previous films - but, Harry Knowles (in a review of the film that even shocked me) makes a good point about this: in the original "Alien", the facehugger-to-chestburster-to-adult cycle isn't given a clear timespan, and thanks to Ridley Scott's slow, methodical pacing, it seem longer than it might actually be. Personally, I'm guessing the whole process takes a maximum of 24 hours, and maybe as little as 12 hours under the right conditions. In "AVP", however, it seems it only takes a few minutes for a facehugger to impregnate a human host, and only a few more minutes for the chestburster to erupt.

Also, the comaraderie between Lex and Scar is rushed and underdeveloped; in "AVP: Prey", the pairing of a human and Predator worked because the lead female, Machiko Noguchi, was a warrior at heart who was uncontent in the company of other humans, and in a strange twist of fate found some new zeal for life in the company of a hunting race of aliens. In contrast, Lex Woods' acts of bravery are mostly through desperation; she's scared shitless through the whole ordeal but still gains Scar's respect, which seems a little out of character for a Predator.

Finally, there’s the speed at which Lex and Sebastian (Raoul Bova) understand the nature of the Alien/Predator conflict and how it fit into the shaping of human civilization; from a wall of hyroglyphics that Sebastian remarks having difficulty translating, he learns that ancient humans allowed themselves to be used as hosts for Alien procreation so the Predators could hunt them down...and he learns this without having seen any eggs, facehuggers, or chestbursters. It took the original "Alien" crew 60 minutes of movie time to figure out the life cycle, and that was under constant obversation.

• A few plot glaring but ultimately forgiveable (for me, anyhow) plot holes: the Predators have swords, spears, and shurikens (those things as BADASS!) that can resist the acidic Alien blood, yet the “Celtic” Pred’s wristblades melt with one slash. Huh? (SPOILER:) Scar’s detonator fries the pyramid and all the Aliens within, yet the Queen manages to burrow to the surface unscatched. Felt like a bad retread of the Queen’s stowing away on the hovercraft in "Aliens".

• A cool but misplaced - yeah, I'll say it, inappropriate - shot of a facehugger leaping out of its egg in slow-motion.

• (SPOILER:) The "twist" ending? You can see it coming a mile away. Still a cool way to cap everything off though.

In the end though, this movie’s biggest opponent is Paul W.S. Anderon’s undeserved title of "worst filmmaker alive". I’ve always been a casual fan of Paul’s, and for the life of me I can’t understand why there’s so much hatred for the poor guy, especially when there are far worse directors who still manage to get steady directing jobs. His writing could use a LOT of work, and if he doesn’t take some lessons he could at least hire himself a dialogue consultant for some more memorable lines ("How do you say ‘scared shitless’ in Italian?"), but worst director ever? 'Tis to laugh. He ain't winning any Oscars, that's for damn sure, but it's not like he's aiming to either. "AVP" is, really and truly, Paul W.S. Anderon’s best film. Take that for what you will.

Alas, my support for his work won’t stop AVP’s grosses from dropping like a rock next weekend. But in spite of the scathing critical reception and ludicrous fanboy cries of "Paul Anderson raped my childhood!", the general concensus across numerous movie message boards is that the movie is just a good ol’ fun time at the movies. And I couldn’t agree more...and apparently the audience I saw “AVP” with did too...at least that’s what their applause during the ending credits suggested. No lie, folks...APPLAUSE.

As a horror movie, it fails. As a science-fiction movie, it hit me where it counts. As an action movie, it owns. As an Alien prequel/Predator sequel...I guess the most hardcore or hardcore fans are at the heart of the disappointed masses. I’d recommend this most to general lovers of movies, especially the kind who are forgiving of a movie’s flaws, however numerous.

WX’s AVP Lineup:

Alien - 10/10
Aliens - 10/10
Alien3 - 7/10
Alien Resurrection - 3/10
Predator - 9/10
Predator 2 - 6/10

Alien Vs. Predator - 7/10

[Nachokoolaid]

I liked ARROW's review much better than JOBLO's. He viewed the movie for what it was, not for what he wanted it to be. Here's an excerpt:

I’ve had my own version of AvP in my cranium for years where a rumble of epic proportions a la "Aliens" took place. What I got as a substitute, most of the way, was a claustrophobic and slow-moving bash the likes of "Alien". However, I did manage to view the picture for what it was and not for what I wanted it to be...a character/dialogue blemished opus that still succeeded in giving me enough action for my time, while being ingenious and visually top notch. And no matter how you cut the steak, you can’t go wrong with the two top creatures in sci-fi land populating ONE movie. YOU JUST CAN’T! I’d like to end off with my own humble “fanboy” requests for the sequel. Can we get some testosterone heavy Marines in there with Pulse Rifles and call it a freaking BLAST? Oh…and let’s make that an R Rating too, guys…I’m after all, a grown-up that has contributed lots of coin over the years to keep both franchises alive. “In case you haven't been paying attention to current events, we just got our asses kicked, pal! “ THANK YOU, COME AGAIN!

I thought this movie was good, and hopefully there will be a sequel. And hopefully it will be rated R, and somehow involve Arnold/Danny Glover. And Space Marines.

[Greenaway]

Originally posted by Scarface98.9
My rankings (I haven't seen most of these movies in a long time, keep in mind)

Alien: 9/10
Predator: 8.5/10
Predator 2: 7/10
AVP: 5.5/10
Aliens: 5/10
Alien 3: 5/10

Haven't seen Ressurection.



It's a good thing to see Scott's Alien to get some respect when compared to Cameron's film at least once in a while.

[Jackass80]

Originally posted by Greenaway
An estimated $38.25m take with an average of 11,226$. That's huge compared to most of the predictions given on these forums. It did fall pretty roughly after Friday, though. Perhaps another 66 percent drop next weekend?

Weekend Estimates from Boxofficemojo.com (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2004&wknd=33&p=.htm)

Considering all the fanboys rushed out to see it opening weekend, I'm predicting a $13.5m sophomore weekend. Freddy vs. Jason took in $36m opening weekend and $13m in its second. But which films have the bigger fanbase? :D

[Jackass80]

To this day, I still think Alien is the best sci-fi/horror film ever made. To me, Aliens, while entertaining, is just excessiveness at its most extreme. Don't even get me started on Alien 3 and Resurrection.

[Greenaway]

Originally posted by Jackass80
To this day, I still think Alien is the best sci-fi/horror film ever made. To me, Aliens, while entertaining, is just excessiveness at its most extreme. Don't even get me started on Alien 3 and Resurrection.

Just saw Alien Vs. Predator by the way; didn't rush to see it but wasn't avoiding it, either. At the moment I consider it to be something like 3-4/10. Very bad, that's for sure.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by Jim H
Some people DO go into movies WANTING to hate it, which of course means they are more likely to. I don't really understand it, and I have no idea if that is part of the reason for some people's negative reviews of AVP or not.

Maybe if I went to see Crossroads, I'd want to hate it. But I find it hard to believe that anybody here, anybody that's a fan of both series, went to this movie expecting to hate it.

[Korny]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Maybe if I went to see Crossroads, I'd want to hate it. But I find it hard to believe that anybody here, anybody that's a fan of both series, went to this movie expecting to hate it.

Didn't you actually read any posts here?

A lot of people were saying that this blah woud suck for the PG-13 rating, the director blah blah blah.

Everyone jumped on the bandwagon and decided to hate this film, yet they still went to see it.

For me it was no ALIENS or Predator (Original) but i had a good time. It was silly and fun and i feel it was intended to be made that way.

At least the Aliens and the Preds weren't fucked with in the film.

[MadsenOMC]

You really think it was intended to be silly? I seriously doubt that. Yes, I have read the posts. People had every reason to be skeptical of this movie. They had every reason to not be optimistic. They had every reason to think that it would be bad. That is a far cry from hoping that it would be bad. I thought it would be bad. I did not hope that it would be. See the difference?

[RogueSpear]

Alien vs. Predator - 7/10 - Not the suckfest some are calling it, but it's clearly not Anderson's best film. It's fun and it's entertaining, but it also felt hollow (probably due to the numerous plot holes). There were no memorable characters and some of the plot points were a little hard to swallow, but at least it had a cool final shot. And about the PG-13 rating. Personally, I don't think an R rating would have helped the movie in the least. The story was what was flawed. No amount of gore or swearing can take the place of a good story.

[Greenaway]

Originally posted by RogueSpear
Alien vs. Predator - 7/10 - Not the suckfest some are calling it, but it's clearly not Anderson's best film. It's fun and it's entertaining, but it also felt hollow (probably due to the numerous plot holes). There were no memorable characters and some of the plot points were a little hard to swallow, but at least it had a cool final shot. And about the PG-13 rating. Personally, I don't think an R rating would have helped the movie in the least. The story was what was flawed. No amount of gore or swearing can take the place of a good story.

I agree with you considering the PG-13 rating, as though it seemed that the most violent scenes were obviously meant to be seen, but cut, it isn't violence that would make this film any better than what it is. It needs a decent story, which I think it lacked. My rating would be 3/10.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Apparently, 23 minutes were cut from the film. I have a feeling that if we ever see the film in it's extended cut that people will be singing a different tune about the characters and story.

[Shockwave]

Everyone jumped on the bandwagon and decided to hate this film, yet they still went to see it.

Nobody "jumped on the badwagon", they simpley stated that it looked like it was going to suck balls.

..and to the vast majority it did.

I dont think they are going to come on the boards and bitch about a movie just for the hell of it, while secretly loving it.

Ive seen a shit load of movies i thought were going to suck but wound up loving.(and owning!)

People always bitch, saying "go see it for yourself before judge it!" Then they do, and yet people still complain.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
Apparently, 23 minutes were cut from the film. I have a feeling that if we ever see the film in it's extended cut that people will be singing a different tune about the characters and story.

Definitely possible, but considering Anderson's writing skills, or rather lackthereof, I wouldn't count on it. It was probably cut for a very good reason. If it was high quality, it would have been left in. When a movie like this has only 88 minutes of actual screen time, it's because that is the absolute best 88 minutes they could scrape together, hence the last minute editing. I highly doubt that there's 23 brilliant minutes lying on the cutting room floor.

[Jim H]

When a movie like this has only 88 minutes of actual screen time, it's because that is the absolute best 88 minutes they could scrape together, hence the last minute editing. I

Well, they also trim films so they can get in an extra showtime per day, or switch to a different film mid point. But I would say you're probably right, with the exception of some of the obvious cuts to the violence and gore. I wouldn't mind more groan inducing scenes though, as they amuse me.

In regards to the aliens lifecycle... I believe they mention the duration fairly specifically in Music of the Spears. However, many things are inconsistent throughout the Alien universe (like the whole bit where people are turned into eggs being abandoned after Alien). They don't even seem to eat humans for some reason in Aliens, yet the runner in Alien 3 does. It seems obvious to me that they just do what they think will work best for each film, book, comic or video game, everything else be damned.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Definitely possible, but considering Anderson's writing skills, or rather lackthereof, I wouldn't count on it. It was probably cut for a very good reason. If it was high quality, it would have been left in.

Not necessarily. Studios are known to cut films down for extra showtimes (as Jim mentioned) or to make the film in general quicker.

From what I understand there were two fights between the Aliens and Predators cut as well, so we're actually missing action as well as character time.

I love the film as is, but I certainly hope to get an R rated Extended Cut on DVD. I'm pretty positive that it'll blow me away even more. :)

[MadsenOMC]

Despite my feelings that this is a mediocre movie at best, if there's an extended R-rated cut released on DVD, I'd probably watch it again. The studio knows that as well. Lots of suckers out there, myself included I guess. And maybe it is character time missing. The question is whether or not it's quality time. I would bet some serious cash that it is not.