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go2
08-13-2004, 09:25 PM
spider-man.8/10.fun and action packed
spider-man 2.10/10.the best movie ever made.
what do you think and which one do you think is better.

HanasaMO
08-21-2004, 10:37 AM
Spidey was a good movie, I give it a 8 out of 10.
Just after I watched the trailer of spidey2, I know I will love it. I couldn't wait to see it in theater, but it was released on 8.2 in our country, around 2 month later than your country. After seeing it I was shocked, spidey2 was so amazing, even better than I imagined, it's definitely a 10/10.

Jas
08-22-2004, 08:33 PM
Spidey 1 was great in a "Boring second time around" kind of way.
However I was really underwhelmed by SM2...Good movie though,

mattjk_17
08-24-2004, 06:48 PM
Spider-Man was a fun movie, whilst it wasn't as good as the sequel was (in my own, honest, opinion), it doesn't neccessarily mean it's a bad film. In fact, far from it. One of my favourite superhero/comic book movies to date. Maguire was a good choice for the role of our main character, Peter Parker, and casting Willem Dafoe as Norman Osborn/The Green Goblin was a stroke of genius. Whilst the effects leave something to be desired, the movie has a good enough story and is a good way to kill a couple of hours.

8/10

Spider-Man 2 looked as if it would be an absolute beauty, and to me, it was. The effects were far superior to those used in the original, Danny Elfman's score was top-notch (as usual) and our main characters from the first movie are more familiar now. This one gets straight to the point, Peter already has his powers, we already know he has the hots for MJ (Kirsten Dunst, who didn't annoy me this time round), and Alfred Molina does a good job as the villain of the piece, Doctor Otto Octavius.

9/10

SAI
11-24-2004, 03:53 PM
I wrote the following review of Spider-Man when it was released, and stand by it. The Spider-Man 2 review is new.

Spider-Man

Spider-Man; The Movie has a long and troubled history. The first serious attempts to make the film came in the mid 90’s when James Cameron wrote a (terrible) scriptment. Cameron’s version was rumoured to be featuring Charlie Sheen as Peter Parker and Arnie as Doctor Octopus. With hindsight it is fortunate this never got off the ground. What does all this have to do with Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man? More than you’d think; one key concept has been retained, but to that later.

Despite always looking forward to the end result the fans of the comic have always had worries about Spider-Man. They wanted to see it done right. Certain things, particularly the changes to the origin story and the “organic” web shooters (left over from Cameron’s work), were extremely controversial. The news is good, but for a few, very minor, things Sam Raimi has made the perfect Spider-Man film.

For the most part the casting is excellent. Tobey Maguire is perfect, he looks just like Peter in the early comics and his voice suits Peter’s character (though it doesn't suit Spider-Man so well). This is a feature of Maguire’s performance, he’s so believable as the everyman in the early part of the film that it is Peter and not Spider-Man who comes across as the more powerful character, no small feat. He's particularly effective in his scenes with Cliff Robertson and Rosemary Harris (who play Uncle Ben and Aunt May and, particularly in Harris' case, seem to have stepped out of the comic).

JK Simmons nearly steals the film in his scenes as Daily Bugle editor J Jonah Jameson, his look is perfect and he gets many of the best lines. Though he could have been given more screentime Simmons makes a real impact on the film and ensures that Jameson will be a character fans will want more of in the sequel.

Willem Dafoe was not an obvious choice to play the Green Goblin (There were rumours about John Malkovich, Kevin Spacey and Nicolas Cage being in the running) but he too exceeds expectations. The conversations that Osborn and the Goblin have are great examples of Dafoe's talent, switching characters sometimes within a single shot.

It's always good to see Bruce Campbell in a Sam Raimi film and he has a decent cameo as the wrestling announcer (and provides a nice twist on how Spider-Man gets his name).

Kirsten Dunst has been praised for her portrayal of Mary Jane, the love of Peters life. It is a little difficult to understand why, she almost ruins screenwriter David Koepp’s brilliant ending (in which she is given some beautiful dialogue) with her breathy delivery. This is a hallmark of all her scenes, all her important moments seem overplayed. However there is one scene, in Peter’s Aunt’s hospital room, that she is absolutely wonderful in, predictably it is the scene she has least dialogue in. In the end though she’s just not MJ.

There have been complaints about the special effects. It is hard to see why. These effects are state of the art, they look as if they are the best that could have been achieved, looking finished unlike, say, those in The Mummy Returns. Of course there are moments that we know are achieved digitally, rather than poor effects this is because these moments would be physically impossible without the computer.

The film looks like a comic. Not just in the movement of the characters but in the composition of shots. One shot is the best comic book cover that’s never been drawn (look out for it near the end). As well as that one shot there is the scene in which Peter designs his costume, at this point the experience of watching the film is incredibly close to that of reading the comic, it’s a wonderful moment.

The fight scenes are well choreographed and have a convincing brutality to them particularly the final face off between Spider-Man and the Goblin. This is what led to the film getting a 12 certificate. To digress for a moment it is, in the opinion of this reviewer, irresponsible for any council to have cut the certificate to a PG, this is a very violent film.

As was said above Raimi has NEARLY made the perfect Spider-Man film, so what’s wrong? The Green Goblin suit. The problem is less that it deviates from the comic and more specifically about the mask. It is set in one position. This means that when Spider-Man and the Goblin talk it feels as though Dafoe simply dubbed the lines in later and it takes a lot away from his (excellent) performance.

Danny Elfmans score is good but sounds so much like his other work that it plays like a greatest hits.

The “organic” web shooters. They make sense and it is easy to see why Raimi took that route but there is one major problem that arises from this decision. Spider-Man can't run out of web. In the comics this forces him into more inventive ways to beat his enemies and adds a new dimension to fights, one sorely missed in the film.

Overall Spider-Man is an excellent film. There are very few things wrong with it and not one threatens to derail the film. If you like Spider-Man you simply must see this, it is the best you'll ever have seen him rendered on screen. Even if you are not an established fan it is highly recommended, far and away the best superhero film since Superman 2.
4/5


Spider-Man 2

Superhero sequels are a mixed bag. On the one hand you have Superman 2, the Godfather Part 2 of superhero movies, on the other; Superman 3 and 4, about which the less said the better. Fortunately Spider-Man 2 follows the blueprint of the former, being considerably better than its predecessor.

Two years have passed in the chronology of the movie, just as in the real world, since Spider-Man and this has brought about changes in the characters. Peter is now struggling to hold down a variety of jobs, be a student and be Spider-Man all at once. He also now lives on his own, rather than with Harry. Mary-Jane is working as an actress and model and has a new relationship. Harry has assumed much control at his father's company and is funding research by Doctor Otto Octavius, which turns out to be the catalyst for providing this film its villain.

The Green Goblin, with his immobile mask and uglier than hell costume, was a distinct low point of Spider-Man and it seems that Raimi and his crew have learned the lessons of that film in bringing Doctor Octopus to the screen. Alfred Molina is unmolseted by mask or make up and is a much more sympathetic villain than Dafoe ever was. His key feature, the tentacles, are brilliantly realised, more so even than in the comics. The great decision has been to give each pair of tentacles a personality to match their design. The streamlined ones do delicate work like lighting Ock's cigar, or taking off his hat, while the heftier pair make light work of chucking cars about. The brilliant performance by Alfred Molina provides the icing for the cake.

While Spider-Man had, really, just one stand out action sequence (the punishing climactic smackdown between Spidey and the Goblin) this film is stuffed with them. From a fight that travels up a building (and involves Aunt May in a way that is by turns thrilling and funny) to the brilliant sequence set on an elevated train the action is inventive and exciting, each sequnce topping the climax of the first film.

There has also been an upgrade in the effects, the transitions from live action to cg are now all but seamless. As with the first film there are moments that you know are cg, but only because they could never be achieved in any other way.

Just as important in the film as the Spider-Man story is that of Peter Parker and these scenes are again one of the key strengths of the film. Tobey Maguire has become more comfortable in his Spidey suit this time out but his best work in the film is again as Parker. The heartbreaking scene where he tells Aunt May what really happened to Uncle Ben is a highlight. The improvement in the dramatic stakes continues with Kirsten Dunst, who has now inhabited the character of Mary-Jane, gone (mostly) is the breathy delivery she insisted upon using in the first film and in comes a more natural performance in which she seems far more comfortable.

Even in the tiniest plot strands Spider-Man 2 is brilliantly written, more faithful to the style of dialogue in the comic, funnier than its predecessor (particularly when Peter loses his powers and in the scenes featuring J Jonah Jameson) and more entertaining as a drama. In this sequel Sam Raimi has, at last done what he surely set out to do, made the best superhero movie of all time.
5/5

VictimOfChanges
10-20-2005, 09:12 PM
spiderman 1= 10/10
spiderman 2= 9/10

TheReaper
10-27-2005, 06:57 PM
Spider-Man: Loved how they put the story togeter and developed it, thought William Dafoe had the perfect face to have a makeup design sort of Goblin, and didn't like the immobile face he had, but all in all it was great. Kirsten Dunst wet t-shirt scene was a highlight too....
Spider-Man 2: Action packed, Ock was terrific, couldn't have asked for much more.

Cronos
01-10-2006, 10:01 AM
i give both 10/10, i love both films a lot, they are very entertaining, and get better on repeated viewings

Danger^Cart
01-13-2006, 02:32 AM
Spider-Man - 7.5/10

Spider-Man 2 - 10/10