Did ANYone like AvP???

[Pilot Inspektor]

I thought it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen (Citizen Kane compared to feardotcom though...), and I guess I'm just really dissapointed with the current state of horror films. House of 1000 Corpses is the only one in recent memory that I loved. But I guess in general I feel that I still look to the past for horror in films like the original TCM. I don't know...

[Queen_Akasha]

I LOVED IT!!!

[syxxpac]

It was entertaining for a timewaster, but I'm thankful the only money I spent was on delicious hot popcorn and a huge Coke. Fox may be a bunch of greedy fuckheads, but at least they were good for something - giving me a free ticket inside the Predator: Special Edition DVD.

Still, you'd be hardpressed to find anybody who's seen the Alien and Predator movies as many times as Paul Anderson. I remember like it was yesterday the first time I saw the Predator's victims in the first movie hung on a tree with their skin intact. The first time I saw a facehugger leap into the air in bullet time in the original Alien. The first time I saw a chestburster about 5 or 10 minutes after impregnation. The first time I saw a Predator take shit from a sassy chick like a little pushover. The first time I saw an Alien kill someone with no blood whatsoever. The first time I...

Wait a minute - none of those things happened in the original movies.

That guy's full of shit.

[Maeljin_incarna]

Originally posted by Pilot Inspektor
I thought it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen (Citizen Kane compared to feardotcom though...), and I guess I'm just really dissapointed with the current state of horror films.
Alien Vs. Predator wasn't really a horror movie. Neither were the Alien or the Predator films. They were science fiction films that occasionally had horror elements. Calling Alien Vs. Predator a horror film is about the same as calling Blade a horror film.

Granted, the film could have been a whole lot better, but I didn't for a minute feel like I wasted my time seeing it. I enjoyed myself and at some point in the future I'm guessing I'll probably end up buying it on DVD.

I've found that most people who absolutely hate certain modern films usually compare the films to old classics to prove their inferiority. What they need to do is compare it to average modern films (or at least to average older films) and realize that "average" does not mean "bad". I would say that Alien Vs. Predator was no worse a film than Alien: Resurrection was (which I thought was tolerable and had its moments).

You say you're disappointed in the current state of horror films? I liked 28 Days later for its quality and originality. I liked Wrong Turn for its purity and simplicity. I liked They for its dark, intense ending. And I liked The Ring for its cold and brooding atmosphere. All of these films had their weaknesses, but so did the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

And you mention liking House of 1000 Corpses. I liked it, too. But I know way more people who hated it than loved it. And these are average moviegoers.

So remember that no matter what your reasons for hating a film are, there's someone out there loves the movie for those same reasons. Opinions are like assholes, as they say…

[heavymetalsanta]

I thought Alien vs. Predator was good, but it definately could've been better (7/10). I'll probably see it again, since I got a free ticket in the Predator SE DVD.

[Pilot Inspektor]

Yeah, 28 Days Later was good and so was The Ring (although I prefer the japanese original Ringu by xInfiniti) but I think the golden age of horror flicks was around the time that the original Dawn of the Dead came out. It's all Hollywood now...like how bad was Halloween: H20? I'm sorry if I was too aggressive in my attacks on AvP, but suffice it to say that I sincerely disliked the film.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I'm waiting for the director's cut , iv'e spoiled many a film by watching the theatrical version . I'm a one film man , i hate all these multiple cuts .

[SpacePuppet]

AVP = Crap

[poopontheshoes7]

Please............The worst movie youve ever seen. I dont think so.

I enjoyed the hell out it.
7.5/10

[thebloodfeaster]

Originally posted by poopontheshoes7
Please............The worst movie youve ever seen. I dont think so.

I enjoyed the hell out it.
7.5/10

That's about what I'd rate it to. My only real complaints is the Matrix bullet time with the facehugger and the MTV flashy editing style with some of the action sequences. The lack of gore was missed, but not something that bothered me too much. I had a great time overall with the movie.

[Donnie_Darko]

Yea... liked it... loved it... nope.

6/10... maybe 5.5/10.


*******SPOILERS(kinda)************

Was okay until it turned into a "buddy" picture... and the tacked on, 80's horror ending.

******END(kinda)*****************

Meh... I've seen worse... and better.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by Pilot Inspektor
I thought it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen (Citizen Kane compared to feardotcom though...), and I guess I'm just really dissapointed with the current state of horror films. House of 1000 Corpses is the only one in recent memory that I loved. Ah! Ack! What's with all the random hate for today's horror?? I think myself that this is a great age I was waiting for! The 90's gave me shit, to say the truth and as of today:

2003 was a great year for horror in general but . . . asian horror anyone? The bling-blinging 2000 "Battle Royale", 2002's "The Eye" and "Dark Water", to 2003's "Tale Of Two Sisters" have been pure gold. The asians have only given me pure unfiltered horror movies and that's why I plucking love them so much.

I'm in love with today's horror. But mainly because of Asian horror so I would get why everyone thinks that horror is dead. Hmmm, *gets an idea for a thread*

Anyway, AvP is premiered here this Thursday and I'll be sure to catch it despite the negative reviews. Viva la Predator, says me.

[C-Desecration-]

I'm in love with today's horror. But mainly because of Asian horror so I would get why everyone thinks that horror is dead. Hmmm, *gets an idea for a thread*


The only thing more worn than saying all of today's horror sucks is the tired statement that all asian horror is like leaps and bounds ahead of US.
Asian horror isn't all that hot, actually. Underdeveloped characters, usually, one-note scares (women with hair over their eyes is apparently all japan can do), pretentious philosophy, etc etc
For me, US is still the best of the best when they get it right (which they do frequently).

Sorry about the off-topic. I always have to jump in and make some clashing comment. Oh well.
Carry on.

[jagged halo]

The US has been getting wrong big-style all to frequently actualy.

AVP
House Of A Thousand Retards
Pitch Black
Jeepers Creepers 2
Dawn Of The Dead (Remake)
TCM remake
Freddy Vs Jason

I could continue, but I feel I would never get to the end, like most movies coming out of the States
:D

[syxxpac]

Pitch Black and Dawn Of The Dead '04 were great flicks IMO.

[C-Desecration-]

. . . as was the TCM remake.

[syxxpac]

...as was Freddy Vs. Jason come to think of it. Maybe not "good", technically, but a hell of a lot of fun.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

I agree with people who both hated and liked AVP. While it was ridiculous, stupid, poorly paced an executed, it was a retarded blast which kept me laughing my ass off as each scene became more senseless. I'd give it a seven for that scene in which the predator and lead girl are running through that tunnel. It was just so funny looking. However, I always get torn between entertainment value and overall quality. AVP lacked anything close to the latter but kept me laughing for most of teh duration. I give it a 6.

As for this subtle "Horror is Dead" debate, I gotta say the genre is back and better than ever, with such frontrunners as Wrong Turn, May, Freddy vs Jason, Cabin Fever, TCM, and HO1kC from last year alone. 2004 has served up the excellent Dawn of the Dead remake with Saw, The Grudge, Seed of Chucky, Shaun of the Dead, The Machinist, The Forgotten, and Blade 3 all on the way.

[Pilot Inspektor]

Hmmm...well I happened to think that 8MM was also one of the worst movies of all time so I guess I'm just on a different side of the fence from most of you guys.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by C-Desecration-
The only thing more worn than saying all of today's horror sucks is the tired statement that all asian horror is like leaps and bounds ahead of US.
Asian horror isn't all that hot, actually. Underdeveloped characters, usually, one-note scares (women with hair over their eyes is apparently all japan can do), pretentious philosophy, etc etc
For me, US is still the best of the best when they get it right (which they do frequently).

Sorry about the off-topic. I always have to jump in and make some clashing comment. Oh well.
Carry on. While the US does have billions of quality horror movies, I still hold my point. Asia has NEVER EVER let me down, every single asian horror movie I have seen has been great, or at least very good.

Cinema over here is, I hate to say it, selling out or losing originality. Hey, have in mind the US has taken the trend of remaking every single Asian movie that has come down (The Eye, Dark Water, Ringu, Ju On and more to come) and then some.

[the_ultimate_evil]

i enjoyed it, it was a simple summer pop corn flick, these days unless a film is an epic, has some hidden meaning or part os a triolgy the net rag on it

[Gluttony]

Though I'm not keen on today's horror in general (in terms of themes and styles) mostly seeing alot of the same notes being hit with flashy editing and general disposalness. However, there are plenty of movies coming out today I still like.

However, it isn't just horror suffering in the same sense, all movies today are getting the same shit. Sure, horror has always been inveighed for it's progresses, but all in all, there are plenty of people who just generally can't stand new movies anymore.

I have stated what I think about today's movies vs. yesterdays in another thread, but it can be worse and sometimes, what is coming out today is rather refreshing.

[C-Desecration-]

Hmmm...well I happened to think that 8MM was also one of the worst movies of all time so I guess I'm just on a different side of the fence from most of you guys.


Well hey, I really disliked house of 1000 corpses, but quit a few schmoes here loved it (like you). So we're a pretty diverse bunch.

. . .
. . . except everyone loves 8mm and Waking the dead, so I'll show you the door.
;)

[Shockwave]

It sucked in almost every way it could.

The Predators were pussies.

No good gore.

Lame characters.

Idiotic writing.

Aweful action.

Plot hole nearly every frame.

and its biggist sin... it was BORING.

[Dignan]

It was an improvement over Alien Ressurection, but not over any of the other flicks it was following.

Just a fun flick.. good timewaster and little more. And I dug the bullet time face hugger bit, too.

6/10

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by Shockwave
The Predators were pussies.

To be fair, they do look like female genitalia with teeth.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by syxxpac
To be fair, they do look like female genitalia with teeth. That's right people! Welcome to the PG rated Joblo. :D

[IamNoOne666]

My biggest problem with AvP is what it was compared to what it could have been. I think this movie, if done the right way could have been one of my favorite movies. AvP was entertaining sometimes, there were cool moments but I found myself saying WTF? more then anything.

[The Heart Collector]

Originally posted by Maeljin_incarna
Alien Vs. Predator wasn't really a horror movie. Neither were the Alien or the Predator films. They were science fiction films that occasionally had horror elements.


Huh? Alien and Predator are NOT sci-fi movies. The only thing sci-fi in Alien is the spaceship. That's it. Other than that, it's just a monster movie. In a spaceship. And Predator? Predator isn't even in a spaceship. It's in a jungle. It's a movie about an extraterrestrial running around killing people. The fact that it was from outer space wasn't even that important to the movie.

Come on. This is like saying STAR WARS is sci-fi or something.

[poopontheshoes7]

Uh, Star Wars is sci-fi.

[Shockwave]

Come on. This is like saying STAR WARS is sci-fi or something.

I agree, Star Wars is the first thing i think of when someone mentions sci-fi. :)


Saying Aliens and Predator arent horror is beyond insane however.

[tanlen]

Hey, new to the forums. But Star Wars is a Fantasy Story... with spaceships, and blasters. You have a rogue, a princess, a black knight, an evil wizard, swords, magic, monsters, and the key "bumbling kid turns over time into deadly warrior, all in the name of...", ultimate good vs. ultimate evil. Think that might be what he was trying to say.

The 3 or 4 minutes of The Predator fighting the alien who ended up with net scars on his polished grape, and the 3rd Pred who did some fancy Glave (Krull) work were the films only real high points for me. If it had been more than that, shoot, even redundantly more of that, I'd have loved the film. Otherwise, I'm glad I saw it, but I'll not buy it.

[Nekroman]

I'm one of the rare people that thinks Paul Anderson can do no wrong (I've defended him on numerous posts lately) and I did dig AVP. The way I see it this flick had the best CGI I've ever seen. All scenes with the shifting walls inside the pyramid were CGI for instance. While it does have some shortcomings I think part of the disappointment comes from the fact that all of us have had years to envision what we'd like to see when these titans meet for battle. So we've already set the bar higher than most movie makers could possibly reach. Not to be a jerk or anything but if you really think about it the whole idea of pitting aliens and predators against each other is stupid. On their own they kick butt, usually because they are tearing up us weak-ass humans so you get some good gore. But together it just looks like some silly wrestling match.

[mr_gamecube]

I liked Alien vs Predator!

[SpacePuppet]

Here'e the definition of this movie.

SmarterChild: Definition provided by The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Other important copyright information here.

disappointed:

Verb
Inflected forms: dis·ap·point·ed, dis·ap·point·ing, dis·ap·points
Verb
tr. 1. To fail to satisfy the hope, desire, or expectation of. 2. To frustrate or thwart: "I will not disappoint the confidence you have put in me" (Wayne A. Budd).
Verb
intr. To cause disappointment.

(2/10)

[tvmorbid]

Personally I liked AvP, sure there where some bits that where quite off (most of those bit's people have already mentioned so I'm not gonna recap on em), but I enjoyed the film overall. What some of you guys have to remember is that you gotta take the good with the bad, be it parts of a movie or just the general state of movies at the moment. Pilot Inspektor said that he thinks the golden age of horror was around the time of the original Dawn of the Dead, and some people may agree, but you gotta remember that there where probably quite a few horror movie's out at that time that where complete shit. I think personally that there have been some great movies out recently (Dead End, The Ring, 28 Days Later and Freddy vs Jason to name a few) but there have also been some great films from every era (Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street etc.). Basically, there are always gonna be shite films, but there are also always gonna be great films. Like I said, take the good with the bad. Amnd I know people are alweays gonna have different opinions, KI'm just getting my two cents in. Now everyone who feels inclined, please dissect my lengthy drivle above and tell me whats wrong with it :)

PS

Originally posted by tanlen
...Star Wars is a Fantasy Story... with spaceships, and blasters. You have a rogue, a princess, a black knight, an evil wizard, swords, magic, monsters, and the key "bumbling kid turns over time into deadly warrior, all in the name of...", ultimate good vs. ultimate evil...


I completely agree with everything said here, Star Wars has Fantasy Adventure written all over it.

[thebloodfeaster]

Originally posted by tvmorbid


I completely agree with everything said here, Star Wars has Fantasy Adventure written all over it.

Yeah, Star Wars is technically a "space opera" which is basically fantasy set in space. And Alien was horror to the bone.

[rogelioduron]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
Ah! Ack! What's with all the random hate for today's horror?? I think myself that this is a great age I was waiting for! The 90's gave me shit, to say the truth and as of today:

2003 was a great year for horror in general but . . . asian horror anyone? The bling-blinging 2000 "Battle Royale", 2002's "The Eye" and "Dark Water", to 2003's "Tale Of Two Sisters" have been pure gold.

Im totally with you...you just forgot a little about "Haute Tension, Open Waters,The Grudge,Seed of Chucky,Saw and the Delvils Rejects" among more good stuff to come.

I think people should start to realize that you can´t compare new movies to older ones just because it was the first movie it doesn´t mean it didn´t have it´s flaws and cheese on it, you guys that compare and hate the new stuff love the old ones more for their sentimental values and cry about the idea of the new technology and CGI...well BoooHuuuu....all the new movies will be improving their way and being a horror fan is expecting the cheesy and elaborate shemes to think that there is an Alien and a Predator creature in this world tearing each other apart...its fantasy people...don´t cry because it didn´t give you enough blood...you want blood and guys...try out SAW or KILL BILL.

This movie rocked and the fact that people waned it to be bloody and messy doesn´t mean that it was a bad movie and if they think the could have done a better job well BooHoo for them too.

[Shockwave]

This movie rocked and the fact that people waned it to be bloody and messy doesn´t mean that it was a bad movie and if they think the could have done a better job well BooHoo for them too.

Most people dont think they could have done a better job, they know it.

I dont even think a mountain of gore could have saved this turd.

[hbkhhh45]

ive seen pornos with better storylines

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by hbkhhh45
ive seen pornos with better storylines

:D

"What a twist! Who knew that he'd shoot her in the face? Wow."

[Shockwave]

ive seen pornos with better storylines

..not to mention acting.;)

[C-Desecration-]

Hey, what the hell happened? We're talking about AVP, not RE2.
Let's stay on topic.

[Shockwave]

Hey, what the hell happened? We're talking about AVP, not RE2.

Ouch!

Nice however.:D

[tvmorbid]

Originally posted by C-Desecration-
Hey, what the hell happened? We're talking about AVP, not RE2.
Let's stay on topic.

C, you're a complete bitch *hands C a beer*

[sarah1980]

Both my mom and I really liked AVP mostly because we knew better then to expect a plot (sorry ppl)

[Shockwave]

Both my mom and I really liked AVP mostly because we knew better then to expect a plot

Actualy, one of my biggest gripes against the movie is that it tried wayyy to hard to have a plot.

..start the movie with some action and let the good times roll! -sigh-

[jagged halo]

Watched AVP last night, my god what on earth did Anderson think he was playing at?, how many characterless characters can a film feature?, shambolic dialogue, dreadful performances from all but the creatures themselves. I found the plot to be thinner than a herons leg. Paul Anderson was the wrong man for the job, I am hugely dissappointed.