Ouch for Teen Movie & Vanilla Sky

[totemrepublic]

Not Another Teen Movie has received a C+ rating overall from moviegoers which I would agree.

Grades / Male / Female
Under 21 / B- / B-
21 to 34 / C / C-
35 and Up / D- / D

But VANILLA SKY GOT AN AWFUL D- OVERALL RATING FROM MOVIEGOERS, and F's were given by moviegoers above 35 years old....... JEEZ i thought this is a great movie http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif

Grades / Male / Female
Under 21 / C+ / C-
21 to 34 / C- / D+
35 and Up / F / F

This is shocking to me, considering See Spot Run got an A- rating, Joe Dirt B-, Tomcats C+, Saving Silverman C+, Original Sin C+, Monkeybone C, Freddy Got Fingered C-. Errr these films can't even be compared with Vanilla Sky, yet they get better ratings http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif But then again maybe because Vanilla Sky is rated R in the states, and mainstream adults weren't expecting such a brilliant and "challenging" film, so they were simply overwhelmed. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Irene Manor]

Where did you get this info from? Everywhere I've looked has showed NATM outranking VS.

[Mike]

Wow, the word of mouth is really bad on Vanilla Sky, I expect it to drop at least 50% next weekend. 7 more films will be playing next weekend, it will be one crowded Box Office and Vanilla Sky will definately drop a lot. I think it looks like a really good movie though and I still really want to see it. I think it's mostly mainstream audiences that aren't liking it, which I figured they wouldn't because it's definately not the kind of movie a lot of people are expecting. But even critics aren't too crazy about it. The reviews haven't been very good.

[FlickJunkie]

Yea, I wouldn't worry about that... See Spot Run an A-? Bull fuckin' shit! David Arquette is the most annoyingly unfunny actors around. Such an asshole. So I wouldn't go by those grades from what look like EW.com or EW magazine grades.

[FlickJunkie]

I saw a review from The Washington Post about Not Another Teen Movie and the reviewer said, "If there's a Hell, Not Another Teen Movie is it." OoOoOoO, harsh...

[totemrepublic]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Irene Manor:
Where did you get this info from? Everywhere I've looked has showed NATM outranking VS.</font>

www.cinemascore.com (http://www.cinemascore.com) - "supposedly" one of the most credible and accurate audience polls http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Well i'm glad at least Vanilla Sky made it to #1 this weekend http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[totemrepublic]

well I guess we can't be too sure about the overall weekend ranking yet, but at least I'm glad that it was #1 on FRIDAY http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Mike]

I'm happy NOT ANOTHER TEEN MOVIE will at least make it's budget back this weekend, it cost 15 Million to make.

[SteveSzyk]

My hope are still sky high for VANILLA SKY. I can't to see it!

[SirFritz]

Do yourself a favor and do not see this crap-hole of a movie....

You'll definetely thank me when you do see it.

[Tuukka]

Here are some other scores from Cinemascore exit polls.


Magnolia:

Grades Male Female
Under 21 B B
21 to 34 C C-
35 and Up D D


Ninth Gate:

Grades Male Female
Under 21 D D-
21 to 34 D F
35 and Up D D-


...And I LOVED both of those films. Magnolia get's 10/10 and Ninth Gate 9/10. Two best movies I have seen during the last year. Vanilla Sky seems to join them in the hated-by-most-but-loved-by-some cataegory.

[ColinM]

I think the Vanilla Sky ratings are right on.

[HBO]

I assure you the Vanilla Sky ratings are very accurate. I myself would give it a D-

It wont make more than $40mil and wont rent that well either.

It is a sad day having to admit that Cameron Crowe has finally made a bad film.
Huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[FlickJunkie]

This'll be a little short review until I think about it better. I just want to get my view across...

Vanilla Sky

I just got back from seeing Vanilla Sky. I was going to go tomorrow night at 7:00 (Dec 16), but instead I went tonight at the 10:05 showing (Dec 15).

I must say I liked it a lot. It's much weirder and different then the commercials make it out to be. I still liked it though. The performances were great. All 5ive leads did an amazing job (Cruise, Cruz, Diaz, Lee, & Russell). Tom Cruise still deserves to be nominated for Best Actor, but since it's getting mixed reviews, he most likely wont. I have a whole new respect for him and Penelope Cruz. I too thought she was overrated but I really liked her in this film. I felt sorry for her when I was supposed to and I was happy for her when I supposed to. Cameron Diaz did an outstanding job being a bad girl in this movie.

It turns out to be more of a fantasy film actually. And it is a "thinking" film. I need to see it again because of course these fuckin teenagers sat around us and were farting and laughing about it and their cell phones kept going off. They were about my age too (18) but I still hate fucking teenagers.

Anyway, this will not make a lot of money. It's a big-budget art film starring Tom Cruise in a role not like any of his others. I rate it an 8/10. I would recommend seeing it, but keep an open mind.

[This message has been edited by FlickJunkie (edited 12-16-2001).]

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I didnt really look at it one way or another. I just looked at it. I personally, did not think any of the leads, except Cruise (surprisingly,...although he was great in EWS) did that good. Mediocre performances, pointless "discoveries" throughout, and sometimes bad, sometimes great dialouge. ........I just didnt like it,....liked the "original" (if you wanna call it that). 4/10

[Mike]

NOT ANOTHER TEEN MOVIE should hold up well through the holidays according to www.hollywood.com (http://www.hollywood.com) :

Columbia's R rated comedy spoof of teen movies Not Another Teen Movie opened in third place to a sexy ESTIMATED $13.1 million at 2,365 theaters ($5,539 per theater).

Directed by Joel Gallen and produced by Neal H. Moritz, it stars Jaime Pressly, Mia Kirshner and Randy Quaid.

"Certainly, we're pleased. It's a $15 million negative, which probably will make it one of the more profitable holiday movies," Sony Pictures Entertainment worldwide marketing & distribution president Jeff Blake said Sunday morning, adding with an eye on the film's amusing marketing campaign that, "Neither 'the popular jock' nor 'the nasty cheerleader' are profit participants. It will probably beat some of the big star holiday movies in that regard."

As for comparisons to past hits, Blake noted, "Dude, Where's My Car opened Dec. 15, 2000 and did $13.8 million and [wound up with] $46.5 million. Deuce Bigalow opened Dec. 10, 1999 to $12.2 million and did $65.5 million. I don't think you get the huge openings necessarily, but when you're a comedy alternative that holds throughout the holiday season you certainly hope to add up. We sort of split the difference between those two openings and, hopefully, we'll split the difference between those two gross totals."

In terms of who was on hand opening weekend, Blake pointed out, "It's pretty well equal male and female. Our sweet spot was certainly 17 to 25."


-I think it should hold up well with no school over Christmas vacation and it's pretty much the only comedy aimed at teens, other than How High...

[Emo]

aw I'm 15 and I wasn't included in the targeted audience awww http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif
well i liked the movie anyway http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[ak]

Dumb-Fokker-** - What is "EWS"?

[FlickJunkie]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
Dumb-Fokker-** - What is "EWS"?</font>

Eyes Wide Shut

[suntzu]

I really don't think the mainstream masses could mentally handle Vanilla Sky. It was just too different. The people who were in the theater when I saw it seemed to come not really ready for the film. The people who didn't like Vanilla Sky were similar to those who did not like Memento or the such. I am sure people viewed Memento much the same way as V.S. It was a long, thought-provoking film, that I understand some would view as boring. The bad ratings that some individuals are giving this movie, should be taken with a grain of salt. This movie is so different, it surely won't be liked by all, but give it a chance. Overall, it was my favorite movie this year. It kept me enchanted the entire time. I can't wait for the DVD.

[FlickJunkie]

Well suntzu,

I liked Vanilla Sky (8/10) quite a bit... but I really did not like Memento (5/10). But I do see what you're saying.

[This message has been edited by FlickJunkie (edited 12-18-2001).]

[totemrepublic]

I like Vanilla Sky more than Memento as well, and yah I agree with your POV as well.

[SirFritz]

"I think; therefore I am"

The two goons above this post have visably shown their nescience and therefore, should not even be allowed to critique movies....

VANILLA SKY IS BETTER THAN MEMENTO?????

HAAAAAAAA HA HAAAAAAAA! RIDICULOUS!
That's worst than Hollywood.com, whom gave their highest rating to Dude, Where's My Car

[SubMethod]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SirFritz:
"I think; therefore I am"

The two goons above this post have visably shown their nescience and therefore, should not even be allowed to critique movies....

VANILLA SKY IS BETTER THAN MEMENTO?????

HAAAAAAAA HA HAAAAAAAA! RIDICULOUS!
That's worst than Hollywood.com, whom gave their highest rating to Dude, Where's My Car</font>

I can see completely where they are coming from. Memento was nothing special. It was very well made and had great acting, but it was nothing revolutionary. Neither was Vanilla Sky. I give them both 9/10. But, I can see completely where they are coming from.

[dicaprio_travolta_man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SirFritz:
"I think; therefore I am"

The two goons above this post have visably shown their nescience and therefore, should not even be allowed to critique movies....

VANILLA SKY IS BETTER THAN MEMENTO?????

HAAAAAAAA HA HAAAAAAAA! RIDICULOUS!
That's worst than Hollywood.com, whom gave their highest rating to Dude, Where's My Car</font>

Do you have a problem with opinions? Becuase if you do this is not the place for you to be, not everyone is going to like the same movie you liked, for every person that loves it theres always going to be a person that hates it. Remember that. I personally don't think you have the right to come in here and disrespect people that don't like the movie you did, what you said up there is rude and makes you sound unintelligent, it was un-called for. I don't think you read the rules and guidelines becuase those specificly state that "everyone has there own opinion", and they also tell you not to disrespect the other members. Just remember that not everyone is going to love the movie just because you did.

[Mike]

I haven't seen Vanilla Sky yet but I didn't think Memento was all that great either. It was a great and original idea but I was disappointed with the movie itself.

I'd give MEMENTO a C+ or 6/10.

[JoBlo]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SirFritz:
"I think; therefore I am"

The two goons above this post have visably shown their nescience and therefore, should not even be allowed to critique movies....

VANILLA SKY IS BETTER THAN MEMENTO?????

HAAAAAAAA HA HAAAAAAAA! RIDICULOUS!
That's worst than Hollywood.com, whom gave their highest rating to Dude, Where's My Car</font>

SirFritz, you seem to be new on this board, so perhaps you don't know our one and only rule. Check it out here: http://www.joblo.com/rules.htm

It's all about RESPECT and CONSTRUCTIVE movie discussion on this board and if you don't agree with someone's opinion, how about backing it up with your own arguments instead of mowing them down with indirect putdowns.

Did you see VANILLA SKY? Did you watch MEMENTO? What did you like about either movie? What didn't you like? We have absolutely NO IDEA of your real opinion on either film from your response.

We're all here because we love movies and enjoy talking about them. If you're in that same group...enjoy the board but respect our guidelines. Thanks.

[sloopyfan]

As far as saying that mainstream movie audiences are the one's that don't like Vanilla Sky, I think that, that is a little stuck up. I do agree that mainstream audiences drive the market, and often miss on quality movies i.e. the sucess of Titanic and lack of support for films such as Pollack and even Memento. But Vanilla Sky is really not that good, I love Memento, one of my five favorite movies is the Lost Highway and I thought Vanilla Sky was bad. The acting was poor, the movie was too long, it was too cluttered, and the ending didn't fit with the rest if the movie. I think that experienced non-mainstream movie fanatics like myself will not like Vanilla Sky either.

As far as Not Another Teen Movie, this would be the type of movie that the "mainstream" audience would like, they loved Scary Movie which was horrible. Yet the audiences don't seem to like this one either.

Overall it comes down to taste and opinion, but in the case of Vanilla Sky, I think people like it because it is
A) Tom Cruise, Camron Crowe and Indi-goddess Camron Diaz.

-OR- (More Likely)

B) It is cool to like Vanilla Sky because the "mainstream" audience doesn't get it.

Oh yeah I liked Dude Where's My Car.

[hardtoimpress]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by suntzu:
I really don't think the mainstream masses could mentally handle Vanilla Sky. It was just too different. The people who were in the theater when I saw it seemed to come not really ready for the film. The people who didn't like Vanilla Sky were similar to those who did not like Memento or the such. I am sure people viewed Memento much the same way as V.S. It was a long, thought-provoking film, that I understand some would view as boring. The bad ratings that some individuals are giving this movie, should be taken with a grain of salt. This movie is so different, it surely won't be liked by all, but give it a chance. Overall, it was my favorite movie this year. It kept me enchanted the entire time. I can't wait for the DVD. </font>

I disagree. Memento was thought provoking and demanded integrity. (That is to say if you found untenable loopholes then the movie failed.) On the other hand VF was based on a dream so why bother thinking about it or discussing it. All bets are off on cinematic integrity with dream sequences. A real disappointment.

[This message has been edited by hardtoimpress (edited 12-20-2001).]

[Scarface989]

Crowe has been known to make great-but-hard-to-market films, so this shouldnt be too much of a surprise. but after a summer of moronic movies, a thought-provoking movie is a rarity

[platanero79]

Not Another Teen Movie is fucking not funny.
u have to laugh at how not funny it is . there was hot girls but beside that nothing funny at all. if u want to see the worst moive of the year then go . i give a 2