OK i have just got to know: Bryan Singer: Gay or Nay!??!!

[AmunRaTRON]

ok ok ok i have to know just because as a gay apspiring filmaker( ok yah and i think he's cute a button) is he? I've heard this and that but need to know . " the suspense is killing me"

[Squid Vicious]

I don't see what difference it makes, but yes, he is.

[AmunRaTRON]

ok cool and the gang. i just was wondering , it's inspiring to have someone to look up to who knows what it's like to be in your shoes.

[Lindsey]

Cool. All power to ya bro! :)

[Tweek]

ok cool and the gang. i just was wondering , it's inspiring to have someone to look up to who knows what it's like to be in your shoes.

hell yeah.
ray charles was an inspiration because he lost his sight and still went on to become an uber-successful and talented musician. I'm losing my sight too, but with a different eye disease. (He had glaucoma)

[AmunRaTRON]

im sorry to hear that tweek, i wish you the best in life.

[Donnie_Darko]

Wow... the first openly gay filmmaker to actually lose his job! So, there IS such thing as equality eh?

Gay, shmay... quit using it as a fucking springboard to something... and at the same time, quit using it as a fucking crutch.

I could care less just how gay or straight someone is... if they're a good person, or in this case, a good director, then that's all that matters. Am I right?

[jeo4]

Gender and/or sexual preference should have no bearing on how qualified you are for a job. If you do it well, then someone will notice. Simple as that.

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally posted by Tweek
I'm losing my sight too, but with a different eye disease.

I'm sorry to hear about that as well Tweek... :(

[Tweek]

I'm sorry to hear about that as well Tweek... :(


im sorry to hear that tweek, i wish you the best in life.
danke to both of you.
:)

Gender and/or sexual preference should have no bearing on how qualified you are for a job. If you do it well, then someone will notice. Simple as that.

correct-a-mundo.
and it shouldn't even really come up right?
Aren't there laws against questions of that nature in job interviews and whatnot?

[James Logan]

Yeah, anti-discrimination laws.

I personally don't think that it matters whether Bryan Singer is gay, or you, or my uncle Moe. Good people are good people.

And damn, Tweek. I'd tell you something cheesy, but I know you'll be fine -- you're that good. :)

[jeo4]

Originally posted by James Logan
Yeah, anti-discrimination laws.

I personally don't think that it matters whether Bryan Singer is gay, or you, or my uncle Moe. Good people are good people.

And damn, Tweek. I'd tell you something cheesy, but I know you'll be fine -- you're that good. :)

Word for word what I think, Logan.

[Strider]

Bryan Singer's gay? Well, I haven't heard that one. Nevertheless, even if he is, I couldn't give a damn. He's a very good director, and I've thoroughly enjoyed his work thus far. Hell, I'm more concerned if he's going to direct X3 or not, than him being gay or straight. ;)

Strider

[harpian]

The only problem I have with Bryan Singer being gay, is that he puts too much "gay" in his movies.

Magneto is not gay, Ian McKellan is, sure, but he's never ACTED gay before, so I thought it was SOOO lame when in X2, Magneto was all giggling with Mystique and commenting on Rogue's hair. Not to mention the whole Wolverine/old guy thing, or the part with Cyclops and Professor X when he was talking as Jean. GOD, that stuff irked me.

Singer can be as gay as a bee, I don't care, but he needs to be more professional and keep his personal life preferences OUT of his movies, especially when it concerns the X-men.

I will be SOOO happy if it turns out Joss Whedon is directing the third one, and I dread to see the new Superman movie. If there are no gay references, I will be stunned.

[AmunRaTRON]

i wasnt trying to use sexual orintation as a crutch for anything. i was just saying as a gay kid its cool to see other people out there. and anti-discrimination laws concerning sexual orientation have only been adopted in about 14 states

[Shockwave]

I never knew he was gay....:eek:


....and i really dont care, come back to the X-men series Bryan! Weve already seen the best Superman in action we could have ever had!

[James Logan]

Originally posted by harpian
The only problem I have with Bryan Singer being gay, is that he puts too much "gay" in his movies.

Magneto is not gay, Ian McKellan is, sure, but he's never ACTED gay before, so I thought it was SOOO lame when in X2, Magneto was all giggling with Mystique and commenting on Rogue's hair. Not to mention the whole Wolverine/old guy thing, or the part with Cyclops and Professor X when he was talking as Jean. GOD, that stuff irked me.

Singer can be as gay as a bee, I don't care, but he needs to be more professional and keep his personal life preferences OUT of his movies, especially when it concerns the X-men.

I will be SOOO happy if it turns out Joss Whedon is directing the third one, and I dread to see the new Superman movie. If there are no gay references, I will be stunned.

The things you mentioned about the X-MEN movies -- I'd be ready to bet a hundred bucks that if you didn't know Singer was gay, you never would've thought of those as gay references.

I own both X-MEN movies on DVD, watched 'em tons of times. I never thought Magneto acted gay -- not one second. Sophisticated, arrogant, well-read, yes, but not gay.
The laughing with Mystique part -- you're the first person I know who saw that as a "gay reference". Everybody else I know who read something into that saw it as either Magneto simply mocking the girl he almost killed in the previous episode but would now have to live with him being around for at least a while, or a sign that Mystique and Magneto might be sexually involved because to them this kind of laughing and closeness only comes between couples.
The Wolverine and Stryker thing...I thought that's what people called a "father/son relationship". Stryker made Wolvie. Wolvie can't remember anything from the Weapon X era of his life, except that this Stryker guy rings a bell. Now unless you want to have steamy sauna sex with your father or with people who remind you of lost days of the past, I don't see how that relationship was gay.
Cyclops and Xavier and Jean...don't even get me started. Nothing more macho than saying that if a male director wants to throw some feelings into a scene, it turns "gay".

You know, in the comic books, Wolvie keeps running around naked or bare-chested. Does that make the writers gay? In Ultimate X-Men, there's a page where Colossus and Logan shower together in a locker-room type shower room, and Logan comments on damage to his pubic area. Does that make the writer gay?

People read too much into everything once they know the people responsible for them are gay, or black, or just plain different.

Besides, I don't see why people should keep their opinions and life preferences out of their movies. Aren't those the exact things that make an artist an artist, the fact that they share their inner thoughts and feelings and soul every step of the way?

[Ted Pikul]

Surely all comic book super heroes are intrinsically homo-erotic in nature.

We're talking about muscle bound guys who run around in tights for chrissakes. ;)

[harpian]

Oh for chrissakes... I knew I was going to garner some "disagreement" on my post.

Not like anyone would believe me, but yes, in fact, I had NO idea Bryan Singer was gay until much later after X2 had come out, and many people, including myself, were wondering about the homoerotic undertones in the second film. There were many more examples than the three I listed, but I don't see any point of referencing them, or explaining frame-by-frame WHY there is a connotation of homosexuality in them, because I believe they are blatantly obvious, and have never needed to point them out to anyone before for them to notice them.

However, concerning the Patrick Stewart/James Marsden scene-- I'm female, I love emotional scenes, I love heartwrenching dialogue, whatever. I saw the film three times in the theater, and each time the part generated nervous, uncomfortable laughter from the audience because Professor X and Cyclops appeared to be about to kiss. It has absolutely nothing to be with being "macho". It was an unnecessary, awkward scene, and I think the majority of heterosexual directors or more professional homosexual directors would have realized that, and gone about Jean's final farewell in a different way.

I have no problem with gay men, or gay men kissing for that fact. I just don't want to see two of my favorite comic book characters in certain situations. It's not fair for Singer to cater to the homosexual community with a film based on a popular 40-yr old franchise, by skewing the personalities of beloved characters and inserting inside jokes for his own pleasure. If he wants to make a film based on previously non-existent fictional characters, and put homoerotic undertones all throughout the film, then god bless him, but please, keep the "hidden penises" out of Superman.
(for an example of what I mean, check the fruit bowl in the Wolverine/Iceman kitchen scene)

[James Logan]

Originally posted by Ted Pikul
Surely all comic book super heroes are intrinsically homo-erotic in nature.

We're talking about muscle bound guys who run around in tights for chrissakes. ;)

Yeah, and...? ;)

That's basically what I could've said, too. Pick up any comic book issue with a guy on the cover, and there's a nine out of ten chance it'll look like a gay manifesto poster. Not that I care (I love comic books, and I really never read into the "homo-erotic meanings" comic books, Frodo and Sam, and "Huckleberry Finn" are supposed to have until they were pointed out to me), but it's a fact.

[Twisted Sister]

Originally posted by AmunRaTRON
i wasnt trying to use sexual orintation as a crutch for anything. i was just saying as a gay kid its cool to see other people out there. and anti-discrimination laws concerning sexual orientation have only been adopted in about 14 states

Hi, Amun Ra Tron (love your name!),

While it's honorable for straight folk to take the high road and claim "it shouldn't matter" (and, really, it shouldn't), this is the real world. Being gay in a straight society is not always an easy thing for one's self to come to terms with. That being said, successful uncloseted gays and lesbians can be inspirational not only to youngsters like yourself, but anyone who experiences adversity. More power to you! Keep seeking out those who give you strength and inspiration.

I happen to be hetero, but can definitely relate to your situation. I come from a fundamentalist Christian family, but do not believe in organized religion myself. Seeing many wonderful people doing great things in the world who happen to feel the same way as I do gave me the courage to discuss my beliefs with my family. Now they think I am an amazing, albeit crazy, wonderful human being. :p

[pyscho dude]

Speaking of possible gay directors, is Jack Sholder gay? I mean I thought I heard he was and I was just wandering. Jack Sholder has made Nightmare 2, the hidden, and Wishmaster 2 for those who don't know. Him being gay wouldn't affect my opinion of his films but I'm just curious.

[harpian]

Originally posted by pyscho dude
Speaking of possible gay directors, is Jack Sholder gay? I mean I thought I heard he was and I was just wandering. Jack Sholder has made Nightmare 2, the hidden, and Wishmaster 2 for those who don't know. Him being gay wouldn't affect my opinion of his films but I'm just curious.

hmmm.. I never thought about that one. Nightmare on Elm St 2 has to have some of the strongest misplaced homosexual undercurrents I've ever seen in a film... but I just figured it was accidental because of the times, I have no clue if the director was gay or not. I remember seeing a more current interview where the producers were all laughing about how homosexual that film turned out, tho. So I have no idea.

[AmunRaTRON]

Thank you for your support Twisted sister. It's cool to see a hetrosexual understand certain points of veiw when they are hard to see. Although sometimes it does irk me when closeted star dont come out ( i came out when i was 14 and never looked back ) but then i think of how little i have lost, and how much that those "up there" have to lose and i understand. Yes we do live in the real world and things like this take time.

[AmunRaTRON]

oh yeah and as an- after thought theres a certain out directer of two very tragic 1995 & 1997 superhero movies who has lost his gay society membership due to them

Mr. ******** your membership has been revoked and you are a discrace to your community!


lol j/k:D ............................................






or am i ????:confused:

[zeppelin]

Originally posted by harpian
...he needs to be more professional and keep his personal life preferences OUT of his movies...

I disagree. I think to be a great filmmaker, you HAVE to include your personal views in your movies. Otherwise, it's not really your vision, is it? And then it might as well be directed by any other director without a personal vision.

[jeo4]

Yes and no on that, zeppelin. There's only so much of your own personality you can put into any film before it becomes an overbearing vanity piece.

[harpian]

Originally posted by zeppelin
I disagree. I think to be a great filmmaker, you HAVE to include your personal views in your movies. Otherwise, it's not really your vision, is it? And then it might as well be directed by any other director without a personal vision.

Directing should be more about style, flavor and technique. For example.... unless it's something like Farenheit 9/11, a director shouldn't slide his political views into his film. Like if Singer puts anti-Bush posters in the background of an important scene in say, Superman, or something. It's just tacky and self-serving.

[Andrew Tom]

Originally posted by harpian
Directing should be more about style, flavor and technique. For example.... unless it's something like Farenheit 9/11, a director shouldn't slide his political views into his film. Like if Singer puts anti-Bush posters in the background of an important scene in say, Superman, or something. It's just tacky and self-serving.

Having something personal in a movie that you're directing doesn't always mean that you're saying audience what to think. Of course letting your personality slip in the movie brings that extra something to a movie. Note that what I'm about to say is only my observation and my opinion. I think that Bryan Singer has brought something to the X-Men movies by being a homosexual. And I do think this has been addressed somewhere before. There's a definitive connection between homosexuality and being a mutant, sure. But he does not overdo it. It is clear that Xavier and Cyclops do have a very close bond. But at no point have I seen their behavior anywhere near homosexual. Is it possible that in our time and place we see more than there is? Now that world is getting the homosexuality-taboo out of the closet(pun intended), do we see it happening in places where it actually doesn't? Do we read into things more than we should?

[MacReady]

What a minute, this thread was started in an attempt to find out if Bryan was gay or not and somewhere along the line everybody acknowledged that he was without a story breaking out about it. Can somebody tell me why everyone think he's gay?:confused:

[Andrew Tom]

Originally posted by MacReady
What a minute, this thread was started in an attempt to find out if Bryan was gay or not and somewhere along the line everybody acknowledged that he was without a story breaking out about it. Can somebody tell me why everyone think he's gay?:confused:

I think it came out during the filming of Apt Pupil. He was accused of molesting some of the actors on the set. But he was cleared and nothing came of that. Correct me if I'm wrong though. I might be completely wrong about it.

[Nachokoolaid]

Here's the proof. Singer is Jewish!!!!. Oh, he's gay too. I always suspected, but was never sure.

Singer speaks about being gay and how it affected his decisions on X-Men 2. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2003/04/25/bryan_singer_x_men_2_interview.shtml)

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by harpian
Ian McKellan is, sure, but he's never ACTED gay before,

Wha...???

McKellen is as gay as a morris dancer...and it's common knowledge that 'she's' quite possibly the biggest, baddest, bitchiest Queen on the circuit.

McKellen acts like McKellen and McKellen is gay, it's that simple. Check out some of his Shakespeare where he plays 'camp' like it's going out of fashion.

He's playing Widow Twanky at the Old Vic' this Christmas ferchrisake and he recently mentioned in an interview that he's most looking forward to hearing those very famous words..."he's behind you" :D. He fucking LOVES it!

[free]

However, concerning the Patrick Stewart/James Marsden scene-- I'm female, I love emotional scenes, I love heartwrenching dialogue, whatever. I saw the film three times in the theater, and each time the part generated nervous, uncomfortable laughter from the audience because Professor X and Cyclops appeared to be about to kiss. It has absolutely nothing to be with being "macho". It was an unnecessary, awkward scene, and I think the majority of heterosexual directors or more professional homosexual directors would have realized that, and gone about Jean's final farewell in a different way.

First of all, I would bet that most of the uncomfortable laughter came from young teen/preteens who have never lost someone close to them, or don't fully understand the range of human emotions yet.

Jean was speaking through Prof. X, telling her husband, whom she loved, goodbye. Cyclops, who loved her also, responded in a way that was fitting to loosing a loved one. How else was she going to communitcate to him? I don't understand how telling someone you love goodbye before dieing is unnecessary. If you can't see a difference between that then I think you might miss the entire point of the scene, and just sit there, being offended by it.

I also find it very ironic that so many people are complaining about all the homosexual undertones, but yet I haven't heard one person say anything about the fact that Wolverine tried to get Jean to cheat on her husband. That kinda sends the wrong message, IMO. Trying to score with a married woman is ok, but being gay isn't?

[harpian]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
McKellen is as gay as a morris dancer...and it's common knowledge that 'she's' quite possibly the biggest, baddest, bitchiest Queen on the circuit.

McKellen acts like McKellen and McKellen is gay, it's that simple. Check out some of his Shakespeare where he plays 'camp' like it's going out of fashion.

I would like you to identify any homosexual idiosyncrasies, mannerisms or characteristics that his Gandalf had, or the Magneto from the first X-men film had for that matter, because I'm having a difficult time seeing any.

The man is gay, I love him for it, he's hilarious. But he's also an exceptional actor, and when he plays a straight character, he plays it straight.... unless he's doing it for camp or comedy purposes, OR the director allows him to do so. Thusly, my point.

[harpian]

Originally posted by free

Jean was speaking through Prof. X, telling her husband, whom she loved, goodbye. Cyclops, who loved her also, responded in a way that was fitting to loosing a loved one. How else was she going to communitcate to him? I don't understand how telling someone you love goodbye before dieing is unnecessary. If you can't see a difference between that then I think you might miss the entire point of the scene, and just sit there, being offended by it.

I also find it very ironic that so many people are complaining about all the homosexual undertones, but yet I haven't heard one person say anything about the fact that Wolverine tried to get Jean to cheat on her husband. That kinda sends the wrong message, IMO. Trying to score with a married woman is ok, but being gay isn't?

You haven't been reading this debate very carefully.

No one is saying that there's anything WRONG with being gay. I'm saying that it's wrong for a director to add misplaced homosexual undercurrents into a film for his own personal devices. The same thing could be said about a director placing his or her own politcal views into a Spiderman movie, and proclaiming that Peter Parker is against abortion, because that's what they believe.

If Bryan Singer wants to make a film about characters that are NOT already established in mainstream popular culture, and make them homosexual, or just hint at it, then I'm all for it. It just doesn't belong in the X-universe, until a character comes along that is gay, and they place him or her into the film.

Also, Jean and Scott weren't married in the film, and it's Wolverine's CHARACTER to try and break them up. That's like saying the Joker shouldn't kill people because it's wrong. He's supposed to.

[darchangel]

Originally posted by harpian
I would like you to identify any homosexual idiosyncrasies, mannerisms or characteristics that his Gandalf had, or the Magneto from the first X-men film had for that matter, because I'm having a difficult time seeing any.


you SERIOUSLY didn't see any of the 'gay undertones' you're so fond of bringing up in the LOTR trilogy???

Gandalf's 'love' of Bilbo and Frodo?

his 'tutoring' of Aragorn?

his keeping of Merry as a 'companion'?

his bitchy, "oh no you didn't just say you were keeping the castle bitch'"
catfight with Denethor?

anyone? Bueller?

the point is that you can turn anything into a 'homosexual reference' if you're really trying to...i personally just try to enjoy the movie...i don't think of things as 'gay' references, because if the director/actor really wanted to bring out a homosexual presence, they'd make the character gay.


Through Like Crue

~darchangel~

[harpian]

Originally posted by darchangel
you SERIOUSLY didn't see any of the 'gay undertones' you're so fond of bringing up in the LOTR trilogy???

Gandalf's 'love' of Bilbo and Frodo?

his 'tutoring' of Aragorn?

his keeping of Merry as a 'companion'?

his bitchy, "oh no you didn't just say you were keeping the castle bitch'"
catfight with Denethor?

anyone? Bueller?

the point is that you can turn anything into a 'homosexual reference' if you're really trying to...i personally just try to enjoy the movie...i don't think of things as 'gay' references, because if the director/actor really wanted to bring out a homosexual presence, they'd make the character gay.

I agree that if you focus hard enough you can find homosexual connotations in practically any film, yet I personally feel that those connotations were much more blatant in X2 than in the LOTR films.

Homoerotic tendencies have long been linked with the literary forms of the LOTR movies, and I believe that if any exist in the films, it is only because the director wanted to be true to the text and it was either intentionally or unintentionally translated onto celluloid. That is testament of Peter Jackson's talent as a filmmaker, and by contrast, Singer's lack of professionalism and respect for the pre-established works.

Singer couldn't come right out and make a character from the X-men gay, the executives at Marvel or his producers wouldn't allow it. Since he garnered such success from the first film, he was allowed more leeway in the creative control of the second film. Thusly, he gets away with placing undercurrents of homosexuality into the movie.

You're disagreeing with me, yet giving me excellent examples to support my argument. However, I'm finding the fact that I have to reiterate my explanation over and over again for different people who have obviously skimmed or not read all my previous posts is becoming a bit redundant.

Also, if I was "fond" of bringing up homosexual undertones, I would make a list of films containing them. I previously discussed Nightmare on Elm Street 2, true, but that was simply because someone ELSE brought it up. My debate is about Bryan Singer and my disagreement with his directing style. I am not attacking homosexuality nor its place in films, I'm arguing about it's MISPLACEMENT in X2. Let's try to stay on target, if we could.

[Nachokoolaid]

He's gay AND he's Jewish!!!!!!

What about the Jewish undertones in his films. Because we never see those in Hollywood. :rolleyes:

[darchangel]

Originally posted by harpian
I agree that if you focus hard enough you can find homosexual connotations in practically any film, yet I personally feel that those connotations were much more blatant in X2 than in the LOTR films.

Homoerotic tendencies have long been linked with the literary forms of the LOTR movies, and I believe that if any exist in the films, it is only because the director wanted to be true to the text and it was either intentionally or unintentionally translated onto celluloid. That is testament of Peter Jackson's talent as a filmmaker, and by contrast, Singer's lack of professionalism and respect for the pre-established works.

Singer couldn't come right out and make a character from the X-men gay, the executives at Marvel or his producers wouldn't allow it. Since he garnered such success from the first film, he was allowed more leeway in the creative control of the second film. Thusly, he gets away with placing undercurrents of homosexuality into the movie.

You're disagreeing with me, yet giving me excellent examples to support my argument. However, I'm finding the fact that I have to reiterate my explanation over and over again for different people who have obviously skimmed or not read all my previous posts is becoming a bit redundant.

Also, if I was "fond" of bringing up homosexual undertones, I would make a list of films containing them. I previously discussed Nightmare on Elm Street 2, true, but that was simply because someone ELSE brought it up. My debate is about Bryan Singer and my disagreement with his directing style. I am not attacking homosexuality nor its place in films, I'm arguing about it's MISPLACEMENT in X2. Let's try to stay on target, if we could.

first of all, you said, and i quote from an above post:

"I would like you to identify any homosexual idiosyncrasies, mannerisms or characteristics that his Gandalf had, or the Magneto from the first X-men film had for that matter, because I'm having a difficult time seeing any."

i just gave several examples that show Gandalf DID act gay...then i said that you can turn virtually any scenario into a homosexual reference if you try hard enough, which is evidently what you're trying to do with X2.

i'm not skimming your posts; i've read every one of them and you have yet to come to an actual proof that the charactes in X2 were DELIBERATELY made gay for the purposes of the director.

also, i never said you were attacking homosexuality...you are the one skimming MY posts and seeing what you want to see rather than addresing the actual issues in the post, like the fact of being able to turn anything into a gay reference if one so chooses.

lastly, i don't see how i could be more on topic...you're apparently more interested in trying to say i'm accusing you of being homophobic rather than debating the valid points i've presented.



Through Like Crue

~darchangel~