View Full Version : American Psycho- A New Apprecation
chinton
11-06-2004, 12:16 AM
Member who have been on this site for a while know I ahve a bit of a problem with Breston Ellis, the man who wrote the book AP, therefore I have vehemently slammed anything he does. Well last night i warched AP on TV because I was bored. Well find myself loving it. Everything that disnt work before worked so w ell thsi time. Bale is excellent in this, the satire is dead on and the dialogue is wonderfully written. The directing is also quite on.
1st time- 3/10
2nd Time- 5/10
3rd Time- 9/10
Has this movie grown on anbody else either. This rarely happens for me.
bnuz_17
11-06-2004, 12:23 AM
I blind bought this movie for $9.99, after a second viewing i really liked it, and I watch it pretty often now.
9/10 behotch
kungfuchris
11-06-2004, 12:25 AM
What did the dude do? Steal 5 dollars from you or something?
Squid Vicious
11-06-2004, 08:23 AM
Well, I still think it's a mediocre adaptation of a very good novel. Christian Bale was excellent, and I loved the "Hip to Be Square" scene ("Is that a raincoat?" "YES IT IS!!"). But the movie ran out of things to say long before the one-hour mark, and the ending was just plain stupid. And why the hell was Willem Dafoe there, anyway?
5/10
drago25
11-06-2004, 08:56 AM
The movie is brilliant, I'd also give it a 9/10. The book is amazing, too, I highly suggest checking it out.
Cronos
11-06-2004, 09:47 AM
American Psycho is one of the few films that gets better everytime i see it
chinton
11-06-2004, 11:49 AM
sadly I still cant get into the book. Im afraid my appreciation will never grow for Ellis's long-winded and pretentious writing style.
"FEED ME KITTIES."B
Patrick Bateman
11-06-2004, 01:18 PM
Ellis is an acquired taste, but I enjoy most of his work. AP being the best, followed by ROA.
As for the film ... what can I say? I love the movie (obviously)!! Bale was the perfect casting choice for Bateman, and I thought it was a very good adaptation of the book.
Could the film had been better? Possibly. But I couldnt help but have a smile on my face after seeing it.
10/10
(American Psycho really needs a Special Edition BTW)
Witchproject
11-06-2004, 03:02 PM
The first time I read American Psycho I hated the lengthly descriptions of what everyone was wearing... I don't like spidery descriptions. But it totally grew on me. If you can't get into AP (the novel) the first time, you must try it the second time around. It's a totally eye-opener on the world of the superficial.
ChemicalRomance
11-06-2004, 04:01 PM
I love this movie. I had seen parts of it and then just bought it for $7.99 new. I love it, Christian Bale is Patrick Bateman. It's as simple as that. Everything about it is just awesome!
Jerichoke
11-06-2004, 05:06 PM
I have to say i don't think American Psycho is anything special, it was a bit of a let down after JoBlo gave it a 10
Sigur509
11-06-2004, 06:51 PM
First: 6/10
Second: 8.5/10
Yes, it grows on you. And at the time, I had no idea who Christian Bale, but now he is one of my favorite working actors.
jodman
11-06-2004, 07:38 PM
I love all of Easton Ellis' novels and so far the film adaptations have been surprisingly good (less then zero excepted of course). The literary version of Psycho was sometimes hard to take but it never once loosened its grip. The film is equally as effective if a little less grotesque (some of the events in the book are simply too disgusting to EVER appear on film) and whilst i am ambivalent towards the ending, as a whole the film never disappoints.
7/10
Fisting Ackbar
11-06-2004, 11:09 PM
Seen it three times now and it also grew on me. There are many cool moments throughout and I love the soundtrack. Favorite part in the movie for me: the (pretty graphic) sex scene with Phil Collins in the background and Bateman looking at himself in the mirror.
First viewing: 6/10
Second viewing: 7/10
Third viewing: 8/10
I read the book after my second viewing of the movie and liked it too, it makes for a nice addition since there are many more events involving the Patrick Bateman character. It's also a lot more violently/sexually graphic, but that didn't stop me from liking it.
chinton
11-07-2004, 12:32 AM
Trust me I have tried to genuinely read the book 5 DIFFERENT TIMES and honestly Im cosntantly hating it by page 10. Thos goes for just about every one of his books esp. Less Than Zero.
Honestly after lovign the movie I never wanted to love a book more but I just couldnt do it. Oh well.
AndrewLargeman
11-07-2004, 12:54 AM
Wow, i guess ill have to watch this thing again, i read the book and just thought it was mediocre, i had the same feeling about the movie (6/10) but with all of the positive comments i guess ill have to give it another shot when i have some free time.
Batman_DKR
11-07-2004, 08:09 AM
I really love this film, I bought it soully based on JoBlo's 10 rating, and tbh I got more than i expected, Bale is simply magnificant in showing both the ultra slick facade of an 80's stock broker, as well as the complete and utter lack of concience in somebody who carries out the heinous acts he performs :D
Marcus and I even go to the same barber, although I have a slightly better haircut.
so classic :)
Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
(American Psycho really needs a Special Edition BTW)
Yes it does, i am kind of hoping it might get one in the buzz for BEGINS next year
Patrick Bateman
11-07-2004, 08:31 AM
Yeah, I think theres a good chance that there will be a special edition of AP will finally be released around the time the Batman Begins advertising starts. Especially since Christian Bale's name will really be brought forward in what is no doubt, his biggest role to date.
IMO, it would be very nice to get special editions of American Psycho, Batman 1989, and Batman Returns all in the same month Batman Begins is released! :) :) :)
Gotta go, The Patty Winters Show is on now. ;)
The Delfonics
11-07-2004, 10:35 AM
<----- I found this movie a long time ago not knowing what to expect. I loved it. I dont think anyone will understand me when I tell them why its so great. If you can get past its disgusting surface, you find a brilliantly acted movie with the great dialouge ever. Everytime I watch this movie I take in every line spit out by Bale like its gold. Great movie. Great satire. I have tons of AP memorablilia. I have posters, mini posters, promo items, banners. I even have 2 R2 versions of the DVD along with the OOP Unrated version. The 2 R2 versions are highly recommended because they have deleted scenes that are not on the US versions. There are also 2 Special Editions released in France.
blankpage
11-07-2004, 11:53 AM
Not really a big fan of this flick.
I mean, I got the satire, and the whole message behind it all, but the film itself - didn't really get into it.
The structure of it all didn't work with me, and there were many times where I was bored to tears.
Despite that, I re-watched it the following day after my first viewing. It grew on me a bit...but not that much.
Still a 5/10.
Mc_Girl
11-10-2004, 06:21 AM
American Psycho is awesome!
This movie is getting better and better...
Christian Bale is relly amazing in this! ;) How can resist to that sexy smile!?
http://blackstar.co.uk/img/video/cover/front-sorted/7000000/06/09/37.jpg
Witchproject
11-10-2004, 10:18 AM
Well, if this thread has taught us anything, it's that American Psycho is definitely one of those 'love it or leave it' flicks.
However, check out RULES OF ATTRACTION (both Book and Film) for other genius by this man.
Batman_DKR
11-10-2004, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Witchproject
Well, if this thread has taught us anything, it's that American Psycho is definitely one of those 'love it or leave it' flicks.
However, check out RULES OF ATTRACTION (both Book and Film) for other genius by this man.
AMERICAN PSYCHO imo, is much better than RULES OF ATTRACTION, although that helped me to realise both what a talented director roger avary can be, and how good james van der beek can be, still AP wins, partly coz of Bale, also pary because of Leto (mostly because of Bale though :))
Johnny Moreno
11-10-2004, 12:47 PM
the movie was decent but I'm really disappointed that Mary Harron did really go for it, she pussy-footed around too much and didn't go all out, which Oliver Stone would've delivered in spades. Still, Christian Bale did a phenomenal job, and I shudder thinking that Leonard DiCaprio actually had script in hand at one point.
KcMsterpce
11-10-2004, 07:02 PM
I disagree about Mary Harron not going 'all-out' with the movie.
She did exactly what she intended, which was not to exploit the violence of the novel, but the satirical elements of the book.
I think American Psycho (http://www.angelfire.com/film/kcmsterpce0/reviews/Americanpsycho.html) is an awesome movie. I love it love it love it.
:D
chinton
11-10-2004, 07:29 PM
I ahve to agree she brought out the satirical elemnts of the novel, not the violence and did exactly what she intended to so. Which is great becuase the satire is much more interesting than Ellis's nauseating page long descriptions of exactly what Bateman's doing.
Ive tried to watch and read ROA many times and sadly those two do not grown on me. I want to rip my heair out when I hear those characters talk.
Also I think its fasinating that a woman directed APsycho
Johnny Moreno
11-10-2004, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by KcMsterpce
I disagree about Mary Harron not going 'all-out' with the movie.
She did exactly what she intended, which was not to exploit the violence of the novel, but the satirical elements of the book.
I think American Psycho (http://www.angelfire.com/film/kcmsterpce0/reviews/Americanpsycho.html) is an awesome movie. I love it love it love it.
:D
I guess part of that I agree with. She IS after all the director and it's her vision, no matter how deluded the end result of the movie versus what the book became. So I can see that, but still, you have an obligation to the novel, to serve your vision but still maintain the tonality of the novel without holding back, which IMHO, she did not do.
But good point tho KC:)
Patrick Bateman
11-10-2004, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by johnnymoreno
Still, Christian Bale did a phenomenal job, and I shudder thinking that Leonard DiCaprio actually had script in hand at one point.
Yes, Dicaprio was attached back in '98 I believe, with Stone set to direct. But thankfully, it was not meant to be.
Actually even before that, I've read that David Cronenberg, and Johnny Depp was attached to American Psycho. Back not long after the novel made it's so-called infamous debut. Cronenberg's "American Psycho", from what I've read about it, was supposed to focus on the obsessions with labels, status symbols, ect. ect. But would have nothing to do with the idea of a satire about a proposed serial killer.
Cronenberg's idea for the film was an interesting one, but like the Dicaprio/Stone fiasco, it wasnt meant to be.
mshannibal
11-11-2004, 03:14 AM
The movie did not do the book justice at all. I shutter to think anyone who has read this book actually appreciated the movie. Even though the graffic horror of the book is not allowed in American movies, this movie was a horrible adaptation of an excellent novel.
Mc_Girl
11-14-2004, 09:42 AM
I read the book and I saw the movie, and I do believe it was a amazing job! Of course, the book is so much hardcore, but the movie is so intellinget as the original wrote.Both work are GREAT!!!:cool:
ILuvNachos
11-17-2004, 02:36 PM
Everyone is missing the point, AP is only the build up for the greatest
movie of our time, American Psycho 2!!
Dogma
11-18-2004, 11:19 AM
Long-winded descriptions? Please! He only did that in one book. If you read Rules of Attraction and compare it to American Psycho you'll see that they are very different styles of writing. THe long winded descriptions used in American Psyco is used to satire how religiously the yuppies of the 80s cared about their appearance.
P.s. Chinton, it's Brett Easton Ellis, not Breston Ellis (unless that was an attempt at humour in which case I'm afraid you failed miserably)
chinton
11-18-2004, 12:29 PM
First thing back off about my spelling. I manage to disagree with people without sounding incredibly rude and condescending.
And I guess well just have to agree to disagree. Brett Easton Ellis is probably the least liked writer by me. I loved the movie and I understand his forever descriptions in AP but that does not mean they were needed. They were over-kill. Especially since I got the point of it long before he stopped. And those are just endless descriptions about material things. His nauseating descriptions of vilonece really got to me. I dont really mind violence but even this endless descriptions of the grotesqu got to me. In the end I came away from the movie with much more.
As I said I also read ROA and LTZ and despite the fact they were shorter they were still long-winded. It has nothing to do with length but rather when one lets his prose ramble on forever and a day. Sorry I disagree.
chinton
11-18-2004, 01:04 PM
Also I think ever since Kubrik gutted the inside of Kings book The Shining taking a different direction with the source material has become fair game.
I haven't read the book, but the movie was great. I really enjoyed it from the first time I saw it. Patrick is an egocentric character, something Christian Bale portrayed with finesse and a bad-boy style that only he could pull off. I believe this film is so highly underappreciated because people don't see the satirical spin on yuppie excess, paired with the genuine horror of his own need to dominate others. Another thing I saw beyond the narcissism was Patrick's real self-loathing. It echoed in his desperate call to his psycjologist. Again, Bale did a phenomenal job emulating the fractured personality he was given.
chinton
11-18-2004, 08:01 PM
It has one of my favorite qoutes that I think goes something like
"Is that a raincoat?"
"YES IT IS!"
Dogma
11-19-2004, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by chinton
First thing back off about my spelling. I manage to disagree with people without sounding incredibly rude and condescending.
Apologies man, I didn't mean to offend you.
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