What do you think is the most important day ever?

[Jerk Shapiro]

I don't know if this is "political'' or not...but we'll see.

We were discussing this in history class the other day, about the most important day ever.

Lots of dates were thrown around...December 7, 1941, September 11, perhaps...July 4, 1776, etc.

But, to me, the most important day ever, in the history of the world, is June 6, 1944. D-Day. If not for the Allied victory on D-Day, the Axis Powers would've most likely taken over the world.

So...ya know.

[badberry]

Originally posted by Jerk Shapiro

But, to me, the most important day ever, in the history of the world, is June 6, 1944. D-Day. If not for the Allied victory on D-Day, the Axis Powers would've most likely taken over the world.

Not to diminish the importance of D-Day, which I agree is a major historical event, but even if the Allies had not been victorious there, the tide in WW2 had already been turned by the Soviets, who likely would've defeated Nazi Germany on their own. However, the invasion on the western front allowed the western allies to liberate much of Europe....if the Soviets had continued their style of 'liberation', they wouldv'e controlled most of Europe and had the upper hand in the following Cold War.

Edit: Oops just realized I forgot to say my 'most important day'....I'll have to think about it.

[free]

Today. Make today the most important day. ;)

Seriously, I think maybe the day we discovered fire, which allowed us to cook food, melt metal to fashion more reliable tool and weapons, kept us warm through the winters, allowing more of us to survive.

Of the modern era, I'd say when Martin Luther went against the Catholic church, which opened the door for freedom of speech/religion.

[jeo4]

The day the wall came down was monumental. Families were reunited, millions of people became free for the first time in their lives, and Russia and America opened the doors to a new relationship.

[JCR]

I'd say JFK beating nixon was fairly important, because had nixon been in charge during the cuban missle crisis the world would have probably ended.

[Criminal Rock]

Halo 2 day is the most important day in the history of the universe............... times infinity!!

Jk... what ever the day the mayflower parked into the americas for the first time.'

theres a lot of "the's" in that sentance...

[Jim H]

I think maybe the day we discovered fire, which allowed us to cook food, melt metal to fashion more reliable tool and weapons, kept us warm through the winters, allowing more of us to survive.

I don't think it is too likely that there was any single day. Much like the wheel, I would say a variety of different groups discovered how to manage fire by themselves.

A lot of history is like that.. I don't think there are that many super important single days. Usually it is a lot of little things ending in one big thing.

[RicochetShaw]

The day Jesus Christ died for our sins.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
The day Jesus Christ died for our sins.

Agree 100%.

[MacReady]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
The day Jesus Christ died and Christianity came into being.

Altered it since I don't beleive Jesus was "the real deal" but his death is probably the most important event in human history.

[Reigh Kaufman]

When Dylan went electric.

[darchangel]

June 22, 1958....otherwise known as Bruce Campbell's birthday.




Through Like Crue

~darchangel~

[Jim H]

Originally posted by MacReady
Altered it since I don't beleive Jesus was "the real deal" but his death is probably the most important event in human history.

Why? I don't think he was "the real deal" and what would have happaned if he hadn't been killed? Would Christianity not have risen? I guess we can't know. I would say the rise of Christianity, if put together as a single event, is possibly the largest single event.

Personally, I'm not particularly convinced he even existed.

[free]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
The day Jesus Christ died for our{Christian's} sins.

That's your's (and many other's) PERSONAL important day, not mankind's.

Another may have been the discovery of electricity.

[ANavissi500]

Originally posted by free
That's your's (and many other's) PERSONAL important day, not mankind's.

Another may have been the discovery of electricity.

It's weird that I'm the one standing up for the Christians, but love him or hate him, Jesus was/is a big deal for others including and besides Christians.

My opinion (besides my bday, of course) is that the day that Gutenberg printed the first piece of lit. on his printing press.

[free]

Originally posted by ANavissi500
It's weird that I'm the one standing up for the Christians, but love him or hate him, Jesus was/is a big deal for others including and besides Christians.

I agree with you, though I would have phrased it differently.

"The day someone decided to write a book of stories explaining the history and future of the Earth, and include the death of an innocent man for the cleansing of man's enequity."

[The Postmaster General]

The first time someone said the word, or an equivilent of the word "Oh"

[Tom Samborski]

The day mankind came into existence.

[Lynn7]

I was going to just be political on this but after reading the above posts I will say the religious answer first- the day Jesus rose from the dead was the day he successfully accomplished his mission to die for our sins and forgive them.

Politically the most important day was 9-11 because it marked the beginning of World WAr 3- the most dangerous war ever. The terrorists have successfully trained and planned and now have the entire world as their target. The US was simply the announcenment of that. First drop the superpower and then the world belongs to them. And this is religious too since the bible discusses how there will be a one world government (Probably a Muslim government-the bible doesn't say it will be Muslim but it does say they will be killing Jews and Christians so it all makes sense).

[Jim H]

Originally posted by Lynn7
I was going to just be political on this but after reading the above posts I will say the religious answer first- the day Jesus rose from the dead was the day he successfully accomplished his mission to die for our sins and forgive them.

Politically the most important day was 9-11 because it marked the beginning of World WAr 3- the most dangerous war ever. The terrorists have successfully trained and planned and now have the entire world as their target. The US was simply the announcenment of that. First drop the superpower and then the world belongs to them. And this is religious too since the bible discusses how there will be a one world government (Probably a Muslim government-the bible doesn't say it will be Muslim but it does say they will be killing Jews and Christians so it all makes sense).

Why was it the beginning of world war III? To start with, let us look at the definition of war:

A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.
The period of such conflict.
The techniques and procedures of war; military science.

There is no open and armed conflict between the members involved. Afghanistan and Iraq were, perhaps, peripherally related but the wars involving them were short and, as far as war goes, simple. Terrorist groups are not allied to any large degree, and none of them are large enough to have any degree of success in open warfare.

I find it rather silly to compare World War II and I to the current war on terror. There is no comparison in size, the number of nations directly involved, or any other comparison you can name. It is possible for a nuclear war to be started now, I suppose, but that has to do with the incredible stupidity of the USA and other nuclear-equipped nations, it is not related to the size and power of terrorists.

I also see no reason to believe muslims are going to be able to seize world power anytime soon. Along with this, I see no reason to believe the terrorists are targetting the entire world. As near as I can tell, they have no supreme motive of conquering the earth or other such nonsense.

[Lynn7]

Definitions are constantly being revised to suit new situations. This is a war like no other. The terrorist Muslims believe that everyone who is not Muslim is an infidel and should be anihilated. Theya im at us becasue we are a superpower but they have no affinity for any other government that is non-Muslim.Come to think of it they hate the Muslim goverments too but that will not stop them.

All they have to do to seize the world is to create chaos and disrupt governments. Look at how much trouble they have caused in Iraq. Look at how much chaos breaks out in the US during a blackout or during the Rodney King trial or even after a REd Sox championship game. If they were to disrupt our government and all hell breaks loose the other countries are easy pickings. Which armies would mobilize to defend anyone? A few I guess but the terrorists are spread out throughout all the countries now. Again, from a biblical point of view I know what the bible predicts and I am looking at how things may be falling into place. It may not be immediate but I think we are heading in that direction.

[jeo4]

That's really iffy, Lynn. The Bible also predicts that the AntiChrist will unify all nations under him. So he will bring forth a false "peace" before taking over as a dictator. If people don't swear allegiance to him and accept his mark, then they are killed. Simple as that.

I don't think that all Muslims think the way that Osama thinks. In fact, I think many would take offense to the idea of killing instead of converting. The Islamic beliefs are so much like Christianity in that they teach patience, kindness, humility, love, and unity. And I think that many Muslims will die under the AntiChrist as well.

But enough about this...as far as historical significance, the rebirth of Christ is obviously the most important day in any Christian's life, including mine. It was a nice choice from a non-Secular Christian standpoint.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by jeo4
I don't think that all Muslims think the way that Osama thinks. In fact, I think many would take offense to the idea of killing instead of converting.

You're right. There's a Muslim in one of my classes and we've asked him about all this. He basically told us that the radical Muslims aren't Muslims at all because a true Muslim doesn't believe in violence unless it's a holy way and this is definitely not a holy war. He also said that the way he was raised with the religion, they don't like converting others to their religion. If one wants to become a Muslim they are more than welcome but no one goes out of their way to find new Muslims.

[Jim H]

Look at how much chaos breaks out in the US during a blackout or during the Rodney King trial or even after a REd Sox championship game. If they were to disrupt our government and all hell breaks loose the other countries are easy pickings. Which armies would mobilize to defend anyone? A few I guess but the terrorists are spread out throughout all the countries now.

Again, you are vastly overestimating the size and power of terrorists.

[<3mekthx]

The Anti-Christ will be a democrat. :cool:

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by free
That's your's (and many other's) PERSONAL important day, not mankind's.



See, I disagree, and putting stuff in caps doesn't make you right.

[free]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
See, I disagree, and putting stuff in caps doesn't make you right.

I wasn't putting it in caps to be right, I just wanted to emphasize that certain word.

And what do you disagree about? Atheists, Jews, and Muslims wouldn't consider the day Christ died important. I will give you that the legend does affect more than just Christians (we have two country wide holidays based on that legend), but to important to mankind, it has to affect ALL of mankind, not just a certain few.

(and this isn't an attack you if you felt that way)

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by jeo4
That's really iffy, Lynn. The Bible also predicts that the AntiChrist will unify all nations under him. So he will bring forth a false "peace" before taking over as a dictator. If people don't swear allegiance to him and accept his mark, then they are killed. Simple as that.

I don't think that all Muslims think the way that Osama thinks. In fact, I think many would take offense to the idea of killing instead of converting. The Islamic beliefs are so much like Christianity in that they teach patience, kindness, humility, love, and unity. And I think that many Muslims will die under the AntiChrist as well.

But enough about this...as far as historical significance, the rebirth of Christ is obviously the most important day in any Christian's life, including mine. It was a nice choice from a non-Secular Christian standpoint.

Yes I know and I have thought about that. How could a leader unify the entire world except if he was Muslim? It seems to me that this would be extremely fitting especially regarding the fact that the Arabs and the Jews were both descended from Abraham-brothers at war. We do know that the final period will focus on the Jewish people and who are the Jews most fervent enemies? The Muslims. That will never change will it? It all adds up especially the way that the Muslims have spread throughout the entire world. Canada says there are about 500,000 Muslims that live there now. All things point to a one world Muslim government (at least that is my thinking- of course I could be wrong!) A friend of mine thinks it will be a secular world government but I just don't see that. Plus it is interesting that there are so many Babylon bible references which is Iraq and that is where so much of the focus has been in recent years.

Yes I know that Muslims say they are peaceful and many are but they get terrorized just like we do and they are helpless in the face of this evil. I'm thinking even if they disagree with this new terrorism there isn't too much they can do about it. They could eenounce the murder of Margaret Hassan (The British born but Iraqi dwelling care worker who was kidnapped last month) but I am not hearing them do it.

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by free
I wasn't putting it in caps to be right, I just wanted to emphasize that certain word.

And what do you disagree about? Atheists, Jews, and Muslims wouldn't consider the day Christ died important. I will give you that the legend does affect more than just Christians (we have two country wide holidays based on that legend), but to important to mankind, it has to affect ALL of mankind, not just a certain few.

(and this isn't an attack you if you felt that way)

Even if the entire world does not agree, Christians will still say that the Resurrection is the most important day for mankind becasue that is what we believe. We don't consider it a personal day but one that affects everyone-- but I can understand how others would disagree.

[MacReady]

Originally posted by Lynn7
Yes I know and I have thought about that. How could a leader unify the entire world except if he was Muslim? It seems to me that this would be extremely fitting especially regarding the fact that the Arabs and the Jews were both descended from Abraham-brothers at war. We do know that the final period will focus on the Jewish people and who are the Jews most fervent enemies? The Muslims. That will never change will it? It all adds up especially the way that the Muslims have spread throughout the entire world. Canada says there are about 500,000 Muslims that live there now. All things point to a one world Muslim government (at least that is my thinking- of course I could be wrong!) A friend of mine thinks it will be a secular world government but I just don't see that. Plus it is interesting that there are so many Babylon bible references which is Iraq and that is where so much of the focus has been in recent years.

Yes I know that Muslims say they are peaceful and many are but they get terrorized just like we do and they are helpless in the face of this evil. I'm thinking even if they disagree with this new terrorism there isn't too much they can do about it. They could eenounce the murder of Margaret Hassan (The British born but Iraqi dwelling care worker who was kidnapped last month) but I am not hearing them do it.

Allright, that's it I'm not letting it slide.

Many Muslims denounce yet you seem to make it an effort to point out that terrorist from the Middle East are Islamic. I would let this slide yet in other threads you've discussed that all christians who've done really bad things aren't really christians as they don't follow the will of god. This irks me as it not only feels hypocritical to do so right now, but in general that kind of behaviour only gives you a false sense of security in your religion's moral compass.

If the Hamas and Bin Laden are Islmaic, then I don't see why Fred Phelps (that "god hates fags" guy) isn't a christian.

Furthermore, your first paragraph kinda sounds like the anti-Muslim equivalent of something an Aryan Nation member would write. You speak of a Muslim takeover, yet there's almost twice as many of you guys as there are christians. Plus I can't think of alot of Muslims leading states or provinces in North America, let alone the countries themselves. I also think your ideaology is a bit naive and blind in the sense you feel the a bad christian warning will be fufilled by somebody from another religion. This anti-christ fellow is gonna try and trick people into thinking he's following the will of god. How will you know it's not somebody try to pass himself off as a christian?

[<3mekthx]

Many Muslims denounce yet you seem to make it an effort to point out that terrorist from the Middle East are Islamic.


Where are the high-ranking Muslims denouncing terroism? I've heard of a couple, but there is no widespread outcry from the muslim world. I've heard many are scared for their families lives and so forth, and I can respect that to a point.

Islamic terriost have hijacked there religion. Plain and simple. When is enough enough ? I think they(high ranking muslims) need to take a stand. There religion is being tarnished, and that's putting it lightly.(IMO)

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by MacReady
Allright, that's it I'm not letting it slide.

Many Muslims denounce yet you seem to make it an effort to point out that terrorist from the Middle East are Islamic. I would let this slide yet in other threads you've discussed that all christians who've done really bad things aren't really christians as they don't follow the will of god. This irks me as it not only feels hypocritical to do so right now, but in general that kind of behaviour only gives you a false sense of security in your religion's moral compass.

If the Hamas and Bin Laden are Islmaic, then I don't see why Fred Phelps (that "god hates fags" guy) isn't a christian.

Furthermore, your first paragraph kinda sounds like the anti-Muslim equivalent of something an Aryan Nation member would write. You speak of a Muslim takeover, yet there's almost twice as many of you guys as there are christians. Plus I can't think of alot of Muslims leading states or provinces in North America, let alone the countries themselves. I also think your ideaology is a bit naive and blind in the sense you feel the a bad christian warning will be fufilled by somebody from another religion. This anti-christ fellow is gonna try and trick people into thinking he's following the will of god. How will you know it's not somebody try to pass himself off as a christian?

I was actually discussing a Christian teaching with someone who was commenting on an aspect of our religion concerneing the endtimes. I think if you reread my post you will see that I said the Muslims are being terrorized too. I do not think they are bad as a people. I think the terrorists are bad. I a m glad we are over there helping the Iraqi people- I think we should be kind to all people (except the monsters should be anhilated).

I beleive that people who do not follow their religions teachings are not of that releigion but as 3M said the leaders are not denouncing them. They should say anyone who practices this terrorism is not of the Muslim faith. They will be excommunicated so to speak and in danger of eternal judgement. teh silence is deafening from the Muslim religion. Christians are always renouncing people like that guy who says "God hates fags"My pastor would never tolerate that kind of thinking and I can't think of any pastor who would tolerate that.

it does not matter how many people outnumber how many other people. Iraq is a great example of this. His party was in the minority and yet they ran iraq. How about South Africa and the minority white population? The Blacks dealt with Apartheid and yet they were the majority in popualation. In Afghanistan the few Taliban took over and terrorized the majority population. In England the few aristocracy lived very rich lives while the majority suffered in abject poverty.

The Bible teaches that there is an evil power coming and I believe it. I think that it could be coming soon (next hundred years or so) but I could be wrong of course but Jesus did say that there would be signs and I think I am seeing the gathering threat. Just today I heard that the Iranians are trying to package nukes into missiles. Who are they planning to use them on and what will be the ramifications once these terrorist countries start getting into these technologies? They have no regard for life and they are not afraid of environmental concerns, that is for sure.

[jeo4]

I want to point out a couple of things here.

The Christian religion, much like the Muslim religion, has its share of fanatics. And Christian leaders and theologians alike denounce their behavior. This pattern is very much the same as the Muslim religion in that these cults are violent and not receptive to outsiders. The examples include Branch Davidians, Jonestown Followers, and of course followers of Fred Phelps. But a cult by definition doesn't have to be outwardly violent to be dangerous. In fact, many religions which were once considered cults are now very mainstream, including Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. (Forgive me if anyone is offended by my examples.) These religions are being considered standard practices of faith now. So what is accepted in the future is questionable at best. and any of them could be considered dangerous from a theological standpoint.

The other thing I wanted to say here is that many theology experts have speculated that the future AntiChrist could assume power as a pontiff. What if the AntiChrist is the Pope? Stands to reason, considering that the Catholic religion is a huge demographic and therefore easiest to rule first. And who says the mark of this AntiChrist won't be some new religious symbol devised by the Vatican?

I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm trying to generate some thought here. It's too easy to assume an opposing religion is the devil's tool to world conquest. I don't want to take the easy route and say that, even if I believe in my religion firmly. It assumes too much.

On the subject of this thread, I'm suddenly reminded of the many things yet to be accomplished in perhaps our life times. I'd be curious to know what people think the future most important day will be. Anyone have a thought?

[Jim H]

The Bible teaches that there is an evil power coming and I believe it. I think that it could be coming soon (next hundred years or so) but I could be wrong of course but Jesus did say that there would be signs and I think I am seeing the gathering threat.

I just feel it is worth mentioning every Christian since the death of Christ has thought the end was coming soon. They pointed to current events happening as signs of the end. They did this over and over and over and over for 1900 years, and they're still doing it today.

[Jerk Shapiro]

Regardless of your religous views, the life, death, and resurrection of Christ is a hugely important event in the history of the world. Unless you're a Native American, no one from the U.S would be typing on this board right now. You have to remember people came to this country in the first place to escape religious oppression. So...ya know.

[Jim H]

Originally posted by Jerk Shapiro
Regardless of your religous views, the life, death, and resurrection of Christ is a hugely important event in the history of the world. Unless you're a Native American, no one from the U.S would be typing on this board right now. You have to remember people came to this country in the first place to escape religious oppression. So...ya know.

Europeans would have gotten here no matter what. In fact, the first europeans in North America weren't Christians. They were pagans - the Vikings got here first.

[bob]

December 8, 1980...the day John Lennon was shot.

Write that off as me being teenaged and ignorant if you like (I'll understand if you find that necessary), but I feel that the fact that a man who had preached his whole life the power of love and that love was the only thing necessary for human existence was murdered so brutally and pointlessly speaks volumes in terms of life and life lessons.

[jeo4]

Lennon was running an elaborate campaign for peace. Not a bad choice at all.

[darchangel]

Originally posted by bob
December 8, 1980...the day John Lennon was shot.

Write that off as me being teenaged and ignorant if you like (I'll understand if you find that necessary), but I feel that the fact that a man who had preached his whole life the power of love and that love was the only thing necessary for human existence was murdered so brutally and pointlessly speaks volumes in terms of life and life lessons.


not as good as Bruce Campbell's birthday, but i suppose it'll do ;)



Through Like Crue

~darchangel~

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by jeo4
I want to point out a couple of things here.

The Christian religion, much like the Muslim religion, has its share of fanatics. And Christian leaders and theologians alike denounce their behavior. This pattern is very much the same as the Muslim religion in that these cults are violent and not receptive to outsiders. The examples include Branch Davidians, Jonestown Followers, and of course followers of Fred Phelps. But a cult by definition doesn't have to be outwardly violent to be dangerous. In fact, many religions which were once considered cults are now very mainstream, including Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. (Forgive me if anyone is offended by my examples.) These religions are being considered standard practices of faith now. So what is accepted in the future is questionable at best. and any of them could be considered dangerous from a theological standpoint.

The other thing I wanted to say here is that many theology experts have speculated that the future AntiChrist could assume power as a pontiff. What if the AntiChrist is the Pope? Stands to reason, considering that the Catholic religion is a huge demographic and therefore easiest to rule first. And who says the mark of this AntiChrist won't be some new religious symbol devised by the Vatican?

I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm trying to generate some thought here. It's too easy to assume an opposing religion is the devil's tool to world conquest. I don't want to take the easy route and say that, even if I believe in my religion firmly. It assumes too much.

On the subject of this thread, I'm suddenly reminded of the many things yet to be accomplished in perhaps our life times. I'd be curious to know what people think the future most important day will be. Anyone have a thought?

No fight here- it is all speculation on my part and I enjoy hearing others opinions. I know about the Catholic angle for endtimes and there is even a verse about the prostitute that some believe references the Catholic church's corruption. I just think the Muslim angle makes more sense since that religion is spreading so rapidly and I don't see Muslim countries even paying attention to a Catholic world leader. Ican see the secularist countries paying a ttention to a "nice" Muslim leader. The uS is one of the last really devout Christain countries that is rapidly becoming more secular by the year. I can see our country warming up to a charismatic Musllim leader who promises peace.


Jim, I agree people have been seeing the enditimes since even biblical times. People inthe bible even were looking for the second coming at any moment. Some of my friends have been saying for years that these are the endtimes and I have never agreed until recently when I have started plugging in some current events (especially as they involve nuclear threats) and it does seem like the times might be coming into biblical prophecy. With such nutty people running around and accessing biolofgical, chemical and nuclear weapons of mass destruction it is hard for even an atheist not to see tht the end of the world might be at hand.But I am certainly no expert. I just look at what the bible says and watch and wait to see what happens. And speculate and talk about it too.

[Jerk Shapiro]

Originally posted by Jim H
Europeans would have gotten here no matter what. In fact, the first europeans in North America weren't Christians. They were pagans - the Vikings got here first.

But the Vikings didn't set up a permanent civilization in North America. I'm just saying the start of modern American civilization, Plymouth Rock, Mayflower, etc...was to escape religious oppression in Britian.

[someguy]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
See, I disagree, and putting stuff in caps doesn't make you right.

BUT SHAW DON'T YOU SEE THAT ALL CAPS MAKES ME BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE AND MAKES LOTS OF WOMEN HAVE SEX WITH ME

anyways, I think that people should choose a day that is actually proven to be true.