Ohio To Go Through Statewide Vote Recount After All

[free]

I'm glad. I know it won't matter in the election, but at least every vote will be counted, which should happen before any declaration of victory or any concession speech is made.

A statewide recount of the presidential vote appears inevitable after a pair of third-party candidates said they have collected enough money to pay for it.

The recount would be conducted after the election results are certified in early December.

Libertarian Michael Badnarik and the Green Party's David Cobb said on Monday they raised more than $150,000 in four days, mostly in small contributions.

Ohio law requires payment of $10 per precinct for a recount, or $113,600 statewide.

Badnarik and Cobb said they aren't trying to overturn President Bush's 136,000-vote victory in Ohio, but just want to ensure that all votes were counted properly in the face of concerns about Election Day irregularities.

"Our bottom line is to stand up for the integrity of the voting process because the voting process is the heart of the democratic process," said Blair Bobier, spokesman for Cobb.

Bobier said it will be worth the price to ensure the final outcome can be trusted.

Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, said the actual cost to county election boards combined will be about $1.5 million.

Source. (http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/11/16/recount.html)

[jeo4]

As close as the race was, I think this is a great idea. It solidifies the final answer, or it makes people aware that the count wasn't accurate and needs closer viewing next time.

[JohnTheHenchman]

This pleases me, but pretty much for one reason:

It will give Badnarik and the Libertarians some exposure.

[Raymond Babbit]

We all know it won't make any difference.

But who else thinks it'd be funny if Kerry ended up winning after the recount. I could just see what Bush would say.

[chilli pepper]

It would be hilarious if Kerry won. That be the second term in a row were Bush stole it, i'd love to see what those pricks at school would have to say now.

[badberry]

Question: If the recount were to reveal that Kerry won Ohio, and thus the election, could anything be done about it? I'm not all that familiar with this crazy system you Americans have :p

[Raymond Babbit]

Originally posted by badberry
Question: If the recount were to reveal that Kerry won Ohio, and thus the election, could anything be done about it? I'm not all that familiar with this crazy system you Americans have :p

It really depends on when the recount is finished. The electoral votes aren't cast till December, so if it was finished before that date, then that would mean Kerry would get the electoral votes. If, however, it was finished afterwards, it'd go to the Supreme Court, like in 2000, and there'd be no chance, Bush would win, cause of his people being on the Court

[free]

How does that feel, knowing that even if Kerry ends up winning the state, our President would still be decided by a little over 500 people.

[The Postmaster General]

I've decided that this was total bullshit, and that there is no way this election wasn't rigged.

I came to this conclusion because George keeps pointing out how in the exit polls Americans voted for morals.

Well, the exit polls also showed that Kerry was winning.

So why would Bush keep pointing at this "moral" exit poll as fact, when it showed him as being the loser ---- unless he really knows that he did lose.


Recount them all. This is bullshit. Let Bush stay PResident, even if he did lose. It's who we obviously want anyway, or we would have gotten our shit together by November 2nd.

[EVILxxx]

I think people need to stop crying about George being president and get on with their lives. i heard on a news station before the election that no matter what side won the opposing side would call bullshit. Looks like they were 100% right. Kerry lost, get over it.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
I think people need to stop crying about George being president and get on with their lives. i heard on a news station before the election that no matter what side won the opposing side would call bullshit. Looks like they were 100% right. Kerry lost, get over it.

Only the assholes who don't vote have no right to bitch about the government.

It's not like the people were voting for American Idol or who gets to be Mayor McCheese in the upcoming McDonalds commercial. It's the president who will lead us over troubled water or allow our country to sink. Many of us like to discuss this with great passion. (aka Bitch).

So to reiterate your own words, "get over it".

[EVILxxx]

I'm not talking about "bitching about the government". I'm talking about people yelling conspiracy just because their candidate lost.

Only the assholes who don't vote have no right to bitch about the government.

I hate this cliche. Saying this is like saying we can blame the people who voted for a candidate that makes a mistake. It's also like saying the people who voted for the candidate can't complain when their candidate screws up. I didn't vote because both of the candidates sucked IMO, so I guess I can't complain about the shit the government fucks up then. . .

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
I'm not talking about "bitching about the government". I'm talking about people yelling conspiracy just because their candidate lost.



I hate this cliche. Saying this is like saying we can blame the people who voted for a candidate that makes a mistake. It's also like saying the people who voted for the candidate can't complain when their candidate screws up. I didn't vote because both of the candidates sucked IMO, so I guess I can't complain about the shit the government fucks up then. . .

That's simply my reccomendation.

If you didn't vote for state and local issues, then my suggestion is the same when you see tax dollars being used unwisely. Also for any issues or amendments up for grabs, hence you may have been one of the 11 states that could have voted for same sex marriage.

When an elected official goofs, the elected official goofs. That's one thing to compalin about. But when the elected official turns the office into a clusterfuck en route of following party lines and methods, that's when you look at Republicans and say "Look at this shit."

You may hate the cliche, but it's true. I'm not just going to let Old Man Johnson come into town with his upper right wing cronies and paint the town red with his votes, I'm going to vote. Couldn't stand Bush, so I voted. If I didn't vote, I had no right for the next four years to say "Kerry should be in there".

People wouldn't complain, but people have been told he's used underhanded tactics in the last election. Seeing that he got around 4,000 more votes than he should have in Franklin county is enough to raise an eyebrow.

The bottom line to me is that you're telling everyone to 'get over it', when you didn't even value your vote worthy enough to cast. That's kind of ridiculous.

[EVILxxx]

The bottom line to me is that you're telling everyone to 'get over it', when you didn't even value your vote worthy enough to cast. That's kind of ridiculous.

My whole entire point (and it appears that it has been overlooked) is the absurd backlash from the election. Even though I pretty much figured it would be like this given how divided the country is, it is nothing more than folks banging trash cans. Kerry lost, there's always 2008. Instead of complaining revamp your party and win the next election. My vote would have been worthy enough to cast had their been a candidate worthy enough of my vote. Sadly there was not.

[TheDeadWalk]

Well, give us time to get our complaints overwith. We take the matter very seriously. I'm not complaining conspiracy at all, but votes do need to be counted. When people think their votes don't count is when they stop going to the polls.

Many Americans took this as a serious issue, and still treat it that way. We weren't voting whether or not Pizza Hut or Domino's makes a better deep dish. We were voting in the leader (or misleader) of our country.

[The Postmaster General]

I think people need to stop crying about George being president and get on with their lives.


Who is crying about Bush being president? Did you read the article?



i heard on a news station before the election that no matter what side won the opposing side would call bullshit.


What do you mean by "other side"? The Democrats?



Looks like they were 100% right.


100% right!? When dealing with a single issue, I've never heard that before. I always thought you were either right or wrong, but I totally see how you can break it down.

Now, when Bush won, I heard a lot of Dems say "Shit!" but I didn't hear anyone say "Bullshit!" So I think the news station was closer to to around 56% correct, and that would be pretty darned right.




Kerry lost, get over it.

Is this an order, a suggestion, or an allocotation of permission? And to whom are you refering to, because, like I said, the people mentioned in the article, and no one in this thread has complained about Kerry's lost.






Evillxxx -- Based on your postings in this thread, I am led to believe that you think this election was 100% on the level, with no shinnanigans, flim-flamming, or Tom Foolery. Am I mistaken on that assumption?

[JohnTheHenchman]

Due to both sides...there will always be uncertainty of votes. Do I believe that Bush and Kerry were trying to think of ways to manipulate votes? No, I think it is more due to local people.

[<3mekthx]

Due to both sides...there will always be uncertainty of votes. Do I believe that Bush and Kerry were trying to think of ways to manipulate votes? No, I think it is more due to local people


I couldn't agree more.

[EVILxxx]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
I think people need to stop crying about George being president and get on with their lives.


Who is crying about Bush being president? Did you read the article?



i heard on a news station before the election that no matter what side won the opposing side would call bullshit.


What do you mean by "other side"? The Democrats?



Looks like they were 100% right.


100% right!? When dealing with a single issue, I've never heard that before. I always thought you were either right or wrong, but I totally see how you can break it down.

Now, when Bush won, I heard a lot of Dems say "Shit!" but I didn't hear anyone say "Bullshit!" So I think the news station was closer to to around 56% correct, and that would be pretty darned right.




Kerry lost, get over it.

Is this an order, a suggestion, or an allocotation of permission? And to whom are you refering to, because, like I said, the people mentioned in the article, and no one in this thread has complained about Kerry's lost.






Evillxxx -- Based on your postings in this thread, I am led to believe that you think this election was 100% on the level, with no shinnanigans, flim-flamming, or Tom Foolery. Am I mistaken on that assumption?

I will say that my comments weren't totally directed to the article but they were on similar matters. And by the "other side" I meant that if the democrats won the republicans would be pissing and moaning, and if the republicans won it would be the other way around.
I know 100% of the people involved in the election so I don't a think i can say whether or not there was "tom foolery". Was there foul play? More than likely. Do I think it affected the election so much that John Kerry would be in office? No.
Like I said before I didn't realy care who was elected. I am not taking the republicans "side". I am making an observation. And that observation is that the democrats refuse to grasp the fat that Kerry lost.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
I will say that my comments weren't totally directed to the article but they were on similar matters. And by the "other side" I meant that if the democrats won the republicans would be pissing and moaning, and if the republicans won it would be the other way around.

And that observation is that the democrats refuse to grasp the fat that Kerry lost.


Yes, but the Democrats aren't the ones who are asking for the recount. It is members of the Libertarian, and Green Party who are.

In fact, I haven't heard too much bitching and moaning. Kerry conceded the day after the election, liberal radio immediately said he have to start thinking of 2008, and no one I know is acting like it's 2000 again.

Sure, there are conspiracists out there, but they hardly represent anyone other than themselves, or like-minded folks in the aluminum foil hat club.

I just don't see how you can say that "democrats refuse to grasp that Kerry lost" -- Like, what are you looking at here?

[EVILxxx]

I do realize that it is the Green Party who is financing the recount. From what I have been seeing is that a good portion (not all) of democrats seem to be thinking "how bad do we have to suck to lose to Bush". And I really should have said "The people against Bush" as opposed to just democrats. However alot of democrats felt, and still feel, that they were cheated in the 2000 election. They are trying every avenue to see that they aren't cheated again. There isn't anything wrong with that, but it does appear to be fruitless.

[JohnTheHenchman]

The reason why the Greens and Libertarians raised the funds for this was to make sure that none of their own votes were fucked with. But you know, I'm starting to think it will make people look at us like whacko fringe extremists.

[The Postmaster General]

i.think.it.makes.the.party.appear.concerned.for.pu blic.rights.

that's.all....



sorry.for.the.periods.--my.space.bar.is.broken

[JohnTheHenchman]

Yeah, but the media already looks at minor parties as whackos, and the media is probably minor parties' best chance at getting exposure, is all I'm saying.

[SLAW]

All I want for Christmas in an Ohio recount. I don't feel it's too much to ask. I was torturing myself last night a little. I looked at the electoral map and just wished that stupid state was blue. Kerry with 272 electoral votes and Bush with 266. How could something I wasn't even looking at be so beautiful? :(

[Cyclonus]

Suppose...it turns out that Kerry won after all? I don't think the Republican Party will be willing to let go of their power that easily. One can only imagine the political shockwaves.

[Lynn7]

If Ohio was that far off then all of the states are in trouble and it undermines our entire democracy (if we can't trust our voting then what is the point)? as it is I am shocked to see how many people cast illegal votes with impunity each election.