Rammstein

[The Heart Collector]

It's come to my attention that Rammstein is the "shittiest-band-most-well-liked-by-people-with-otherwise-good-music-tastes" ever.


DISCUSS.

[42ndStreetFreak]

Er......You're wrong.
Discussion over.:p

[drago25]

Uh, yeah, you are wrong. Rammstein are excellent.

[my_name_is_neo]

Apparently, according to the 2 posters above me, tastes in music can be wrong... news to me. :rolleyes:

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
It's come to my attention that Rammstein is the "shittiest-band-most-well-liked-by-people-with-otherwise-good-music-tastes" ever.



Two words.

The Deftones

Rammestein still sucks, but people seem to think The Deftones are more than a generic nu-metal band.

[Dead Zed]

Deftones are metal??Rammstein sucks? Either I've missed something or YOU have.. :p

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Dead Zed
Deftones are metal??Rammstein sucks? Either I've missed something or YOU have.. :p

Yes they suck and Deftones aren't metal they're nu-metal or mallcore or whatever the fuck they call it.

It's basically rock music where the singer occasionally raps, or whines about their past problems, connecting with their teen or tween fanbase. Most of the bands said fans act all depressed and what not. Example Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Linkin Park, Staind, Mudvayne

For reference here's the 101 rules of nu-metal I found off some site.

The 101 Rules Of Nu-Metal

1. When asked who your musical influences are, say Metallica -- always Metallica.

2. Make sure you don't sound like Metallica at all eventhough you said that they're your musical influences.

3. Make fun of popular music especially Britney Spears and any boyband. This is non-negotiable.

4. When conducting interviews always say the words "f*ck", "fag", and "sh*t".

5. Accept interviews only from the following music magazines: Metal Edge, Revolver, Alternative Press, Hit Parader, Guitar World, Kerrang, and Rolling Stone.

6. Pay them $50 to mention the word "metal" in correlation with your music, in every single interview.

7. Add another $50 if they are able to invent a new genre dedicated solely to your band -- ie. Death Metal Disco (Static X), Melodic-core (Thursday), Christian Rap Metal (POD).

8. Make sure that at least one of your band members have an existing sideproject, or at least planning to start one.

9. Ask your mom to go to the nearest "Ross" beauty shop to buy six boxes of Lander hair gel.

10. Use the word "gay" when referring to anything you don't like.

11. No guitar solos.

12. Your drumming techniques must consist of "bass-snare, bass-snare" drumming only.

13. In order for your bassist to win a "Best Bass Player Award", make sure that they...

14. ...are female or...

15. ...use the "slap and pop" playing style.

16. Jump in the air while playing your guitar, and while in mid-air place the guitar on your side.

17. During concerts, ask your audience to sing along...

18. ...jump up and down...

19. ...put their hands in the air...

20. ...flash their middle-fingers...

21. ...and be careful not to hurt each other.

22. In the liner notes of your album, dedicate it to your parents, and to more than 15 different nu-metal bands with at least 4 bands which you borrowed your sound from.

23. Your second album must be weaker than the first one.

24. Make sure that at least one band member...

25. ...has been previously arrested...

26. ...drinks beer...

27. ...or smokes marijuana.

28. During interviews deny any form of drug-use in your band.

29. Say you hate Limp Bizkit, then contradict your statement by sticking up for bands like Taproot, Drowning Pool, and Primer 55.

30. When describing bands which you think are good, end every statement with "kicks ass".

31. When describing bands you hate, end every statement with either "sucks dick", or "f*cking sucks ass".

32. Pretend that you've been abused as a child and when no one believes you, hold...

32. ...your depressing song lyrics as evidence, and if that doesn't work...

33. ...donate 3% of your earnings to anti-child abuse foundations.

34. Your record label must be either one of the following (and there subsidiaries): Sony, Interscope, Warner, Geffen, Virgin, Roadrunner, and Island/Def Jam.

35. Wear baseball caps, shades, wallet-chains, or any other fancy-schmancy fashion accessory EVERYTIME.

36. Your pants must be 3 times larger than your original waist length.

37. Say "shaznit".

38. Say "tight as f*ck" whenever possible.

39. Pretend that you hate MTV, and say that you detest the playing of your videos without your consent -- but deep down inside you really like the way they promote your music.

40. When meeting up with Kurt Loder and Carson Daly, be sure to meet up with Fred Durst to ask for pointers.

41. Always give credit to Korn and say they brought back "metal" from the dead.

42. Make sure you have at least one female member.

43. Be at every single "Ozzfest" tour.

44. Your t-shirts must be plain black with your logo in front and a teen-angst quote in the back.

45. Pretend that you design your own website.

46. Get Ross Robinson, GGGarth, or Brendan O' Brien to produce your record.

47. Always make sure that you delay your album release. If it's scheduled for June 5, move it to July 7. Do this at least twice per album.

48. Ask guest rappers or any member from another nu-metal band to participate on your album.

49. Always whine.

50. Close your eyes when singing to show how "depressed" you are -- ie. Staind

51. Body piercings are a must.

52. Make sure that you have at least one band member that's bald...

53. ...or have a goatee.

54. Pretend that you hate the world.

55. During live shows, make sure that you dive to the crowd and ask them to return you back.

56. Your pants must be low-waist, and must show your boxers underneath when you lift your shirt.

57. Your drummer must be topless during live concerts.

58. Bite the microphone when singing.

59. Swing the microphone stand while headbanging in unison.

60. Always suck up to the crowd during a live performance -- ie. "its a good day to be here in Los-@#%$-Angeles!"

61. Insert the word "f*cking" in the middle of two words -- ie. "I like coco-F*CKING-nut"

62. Zildijan must be your official cymbals.

63. Your guitars must be Ibanez or Fender. Accept no substitutes.

64. Always use seven-string guitars.

65. The more stomp boxes and pedals you have, the bigger the chances of you winning a "Best Guitar Player" award. So get to it!

66. Wear facepaints or masks, and when someone labels you a Slipknot rip-off say that you existed as early as 1977.

67. When someone asks how your next album is going to turn out, say that its going to be the "heavy-F*CKING-iest album of all F*CKING time".

68. Read #67 but add more of the word "f*cking" as much as possible for emphasis.

69. Make sure that when it comes out, it doesn't sound as heavy as you said it would be.

70. Your song lyrics must have the word "f*ck" on at least 3 songs. This rule only applies to pretentious "tough-as-nails" bands.

71. Pick fights with random bands to show how "bad-ass" you are.

72. If you intend to copy someone else's sound -- don't use any form of profanity whatsoever when writing song lyrics, so the attention of the critiques will be focused on the lyrical content instead of your music. For more information, ask Linkin Park because they are considered as the "masters" of this art.

73. When kids start calling your band "sell-outs", reply that if they were on your position they'd do the same thing as well.

74. When kids start calling you a copycat, say that the band you're being compared to is one of your musical influences or....

75. ...its just a coincidence.

76. Make fun of gay people at all times. This is a perfect way to hide the fact that you're a closet gay.

77. When your parents tells you to go to your room -- go to your room.

78. You must have a studio album out every year. If you can't pull a studio album in just a year, an album with demos and remixes of old songs will do.

79. Make sure that you get into a scuffle with security on every single concert you partake in to cause a "scene".

80. Wash your sneakers only 4 times a year.

81. Wear clothes from a particular clothing company -- and soon they will ask you to endorse their wardrobe. Perfect choices are Adidas and Puma.

82. Release a video that contains nothing but backstage footage of your band making asses out of themselves.

83. During live shows say that you're about to perform a song they already know. Utter the first word of the song title then ask the fans to complete the name of the song by pointing the mic towards them. Keep on doing it until they scream the title crystal clear, or if you've wasted 5 minutes just getting them to complete the task.

84. Your fanbase must comprise of 90% morons that have usernames on the internet patterned after your band (ie. Mudvayne fans - DeathBloomsDig99) and the last 10% with smart guys that use original names.

85. Your band name must be a mispelling of an original word.

86. When parents start blaming your band for having songs that incite violence, turn the blame back on them by saying "you never spent time enough with your kids".

87. When someone points out the similarities of your music with another band which rose to popularity just recently, pretend that you've never heard of them before.

88. Cancel at least 5 of the tour dates you intend to play in the near future.

89. Claim that the posturings of anger and depression in your songs are genuine.

90. Insist that your band is "metal" at all times.

91. Best Buy and Hot Topic must be your core album distributors.

92. Say that you're going to commit suicide whenever no one pays attention to you.

93. Your idea of being unique is donning black and white facepaint and acting like a depressed troll in your bedroom.

94. Pretend that you like Kittie's music but in reality you just want to score on at least one member.

95. Say that rule #94 is a lie! Then stomp your foot on the ground repeatedly while screaming "that's not true! that's not true!" over and over again.

96. Your first radio single must have clean vocals or at least melodic riffing.

97. Waste your time writing a song dedicated to taking potshots at the critiques and the people that make fun of your otherwise STUPID music.

98. If you are a new band, cover an old 80s song and make it as catchy as you can. Ship this song as your first radio single -- instant success!

99. Participate in as many compilation albums as you can.

100. When shooting music videos: you must play on a stage surrounded by dozens and dozens of fans.

101. You are offended personally by every single rule written above.

[Dead Zed]

Oh, good so Slipknot isn't nu-metal because their name isn't a misspelled word. *relief* :p
Also one rule is missing from the list: Sample. Always sample. :D

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Dead Zed
Oh, good so Slipknot isn't nu-metal because their name isn't a misspelled word. *relief* :p


I think whoever made the list must of liked Slipknot, because I think they are most definately a nu-metal band. They break many of the rules.

The masks
The tough guy attitudes
The faux anger and depression relating to the teen fanbase
No solos
Swearing at least 5 to 10 times during each song
Saying the f word in between words
From Roadrunner
The dj
Corey Taylor does rap during some of the songs (No Life in particular)
They say they hate the world

[42ndStreetFreak]

To even have "Deftones" and "Slipknot" mentioned in the same Therad as "Rammstein" is an insult.

It's like bringing up "Papa Roach" in a "Wumpscut" discussion...Disgraceful!

[drago25]

I have to go on the record right now to defend one of my favorite bands, the Deftones rule. They are not "nu metal" and to place them in the same category as slipknot and the like is a crime against humanity. Even if you want to classify them as nu metal, they still are a class above all of the other shit that fits into that same category. I can understand labelling them that way, or hating them, for their earlier work, but have you even heard the "white pony" album? Do yourself a favour and listen to it all the way through: it is brilliant. "White Pony" was the album that made me realize that the Deftones weren't another generic nu metal band, that they are a hell of a lot different and a hell of a lot better.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by drago25
. I can understand labelling them that way, or hating them, for their earlier work, but have you even heard the "white pony" album? Do yourself a favour and listen to it all the way through: it is brilliant. "White Pony" was the album that made me realize that the Deftones weren't another generic nu metal band, that they are a hell of a lot different and a hell of a lot better.

Yes, that cd bores the living hell out of me. Good napping music. I understand what your trying to do, but I probably will never ever like The Deftones.

[The Heart Collector]

Man, I totally forgot about the Deftones and their suckage.

They have a few songs I like, though. "Be Quiet And Drive" (or was it "Shut Up And Drive"?), "Knife Party", "Digital Bath, "Passenger".

That's it. Burn the rest of their discography.

[countchocula]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank
Yes they suck and Deftones aren't metal they're nu-metal or mallcore or whatever the fuck they call it.

It's basically rock music where the singer occasionally raps, or whines about their past problems, connecting with their teen or tween fanbase. Most of the bands said fans act all depressed and what not. Example Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Linkin Park, Staind, Mudvayne

Deftones have maybe four songs (out of 40+) that feature rapping, and even then, I wouldn't even call it rapping. Also, Chino's lyrics aren't "whiney" or depressing in the slightest. They're anything but conventional. In fact, I've always thought of Deftones as one of the few nu-metal acts who espouse serene, anti-metal (READ: happy) imagery. I mean, look at the cover of White Pony. It's a goddamn white pony.

Despise them if you must, but please don't label Deftones as a typical nu-metal outfit.

I like Rammstein.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by countchocula
Deftones have maybe four songs (out of 40+) that feature rapping, and even then, I wouldn't even call it rapping. Also, Chino's lyrics aren't "whiney" or depressing in the slightest.



I really didn't mean the lyrics, moreso his vocals. That's what totally kill the band for me are his vocals. Another reason I seem to hate them, is the massive hype that not only people on here but my friends seem to give them. I'll be listening to some Carcass or Nile, and they'll walk up and say stop listening to this shit listen to some Deftones, 311, Incubus, or Green Day. Which is probably why I don't like any of those bands save for some Incubus. So I listened to White Pony and one of their earlier albums and I don't like them one bit. They seem really generic to me.

Rammestein on the other hand have a couple of decent songs, but too me they kind of get tiring after a while.

[countchocula]

While it's true that hype kills, I hope you're not trying to compare Deftones to Nile. Anything will sound generic after listening to Nile. As far as nu-metal goes (and bear in mind, their sound was original at one point), Deftones are hard to topple over.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by countchocula
While it's true that hype kills, I hope you're not trying to compare Deftones to Nile. Anything will sound generic after listening to Nile. As far as nu-metal goes (and bear in mind, their sound was original at one point), Deftones are hard to topple over.

I'm not trying to compare them, but I'm trying to use them as an example of music that I listen too that my friends think sucks and that they would rather have me listening to one of those four shitty bands. BTW, I remember us getting into an argument over Disturbed a while ago, and I guess you were somewhat right. I relistened to their two albums and The Sickness sucks, but I still enjoy Believe. Not as much as I used to, but still a decent album with some decent riffs. I guess I kind of overexaggerated with The Deftones being a typical nu-metal band, but meh.

[countchocula]

I'll admit that Deftones' eponymous effort was lousy. I'll also admit that I was right about Disturbed. :D