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SAI
11-24-2004, 10:14 AM
And not before time, imo.

Here is the full story form BBC news online:

Harold Pinter and author Iain Banks are to join MPs at Westminster to call for Tony Blair's impeachment over Iraq.
Twenty-three members have signed a Commons motion calling for the prime minister to be thrown from office.

They say he misled Parliament over the case for invading Iraq and want a probe by MPs to examine his conduct in relation to the war.

But the impeachment bid is widely expected to fail and probably will not even be debated in the Commons.

Downing Street says Tony Blair has already been cleared by four separate inquiries into the pre-war intelligence on Iraq.


'Serious breach'

The last attempted impeachment was of Foreign Secretary Lord Palmerston back in 1848.

Of the MPs 10 are Conservatives including Boris Johnson and former ministers John Gummer and Douglas Hogg.

MPs from Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the Lib Dems have also signed the motion.

The allegation against the prime minister is that in making the case against Iraq he was guilty of a serious breach of constitutional principles.

It says he has destroyed "the fundamental principle of parliamentary democracy" and wants a committee to decide whether there are grounds to impeach him on misconduct charges.

'Rules dismissed'

Plaid Cymru's Adam Price, who started the campaign, also wants a Commons debate on Mr Blair's conduct.

"We must make a stand or watch the democracy we have fought so often for against foreign enemies be subverted from within," he said.

"The rules of constitutional conduct had been brushed aside.

"People say politicians do nothing and are all alike but today we make a stand for parliamentary democracy," he added.

War powers

Officially the Conservative and Liberal Democrats are not supporting the motion.

Donald Anderson, the Labour Swansea East MP and chairman of the Commons foreign affairs committee, has dismissed the plan as a "no-hoper" and a "political stunt".

In a separate move, the Liberal Democrats are calling for a fresh look at the prime minister's power to take the country to war without a vote of MPs.

Lib Dem leader Charles Kennedy is tabling a House of Commons motion calling for a special select committee to be established to examine the issue.

The government did put the decision to go to war in Iraq to a vote in Parliament, but was under no obligation to do so.

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An interesting stat came to light in todays Private Eye: 700 Hours: Parlimentary time spent debating a ban on fox hunting
7 Hours: Parlimentary time spent debating whether to go to war in Iraq.

Personally I wish this motion were not doomed to Failure, Blair has claerly lied about the reasons for going to war and has not even had the decency to apologise for it. I'm saddened that he'll still be Prime Minister after the next election.

Lynn7
11-24-2004, 11:25 AM
I know this is the same old argument, just in a different country but Hussein was an evil man who has been shown to be diverting money and in time would have also (or his sons) would have orchestrated some diabolical terrorist acts. He already showed his Hitleresque qualities (torturing and killing innocents and invading other countries to accumulate power) and his sons were destined to be even worse. When that day came people would've condemned Bush and Blair for not taking care of business when they had the chance- Blair did everything right even if some intelligence happened to be wrong.

jeo4
11-24-2004, 11:42 AM
I'm not surprised by this news in the least. Blair and his party have had issues from almost the beginning of his term.

On a non-related subject, I just LOOOOVE your avatar, Sai. I've been hypnotized by it a few times now.

:D

The Postmaster General
11-24-2004, 03:50 PM
The thing for me is that Bush and Blair, by not publicly admiting that it wasn't as bad as they originally said, are flat-out misleading and lying to the country.

All it takes is a simple apology, a discussion about it with your citizens, and then move on. Everyone is happy, and the leader has taken with dignity.

This is what Clinton did to get through his impeachment.

Sorry, but I think the public is owed.... maybe not an apology, but at least a "Oops, my bad. Wrong choice of words."

Instead, all we are getting is that we should question anything, because of a buncha "after-the-facts"

<3mekthx
11-24-2004, 04:12 PM
I could have sworn that I seen Tony Blair apologize about the whole WMD thing.

The Postmaster General
11-24-2004, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by <3mekthx
I could have sworn that I seen Tony Blair apologize about the whole WMD thing.

If so, "Oops, my bad."

I wish our US leader would be so noble.

SAI
11-25-2004, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by <3mekthx
I could have sworn that I seen Tony Blair apologize about the whole WMD thing.
He has said the intelligence was flawed but not made any apology.

MacReady
11-25-2004, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Lynn7
I know this is the same old argument, just in a different country but Hussein was an evil man who has been shown to be diverting money and in time would have also (or his sons) would have orchestrated some diabolical terrorist acts. He already showed his Hitleresque qualities (torturing and killing innocents and invading other countries to accumulate power) and his sons were destined to be even worse. When that day came people would've condemned Bush and Blair for not taking care of business when they had the chance- Blair did everything right even if some intelligence happened to be wrong.

You speak of Saddam being Hitlerian along with the fact that he invaded several countries but I feel that's unfair. Adolph muredered millions and millions of people along with the fact he sucessfully conquered quite a few countries, had some powerfully allies, and seemed to be a nearly unvanquishable without a huge effort from many nations of the world. Saddam was jsut some two-bit punk dictator whom defeating had already been proven as something Aermica could do on it's own without too much of a struggle. I've only heard that his terrorist acts were paying several thousand dollars to have other terrorist attack Israel (which isn't a nice thing, but there are worse people out there).

Furthermore, even if this isn't Bush's fault (I think it is) he should apologize considering this war was declare to the basis of a mistake.