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HannibalGuy
12-14-2004, 06:24 PM
Read this, then email this cum guzzling dickhole. He shits on the memory of Dime and all fans of metal!

AESTHETICS OF HATE: R.I.P. DIMEBAG ABBOTT, & GOOD RIDDANCE
-- Time For Conservative Imagination!

by William Grim, Iconoclast Contributing Editor

You've undoubtedly heard by now that a demented fan last week killed heavy metal guitarist Dimebag Abbott at the Alrosa Villa in Columbus, Ohio. While I am extremely happy to hear that the assassin was shot to death by a brave Columbus policeman and I in no way want to engage in a blaming the victim scenario, I cannot deny that there much in Mr. Abbott's demise of one being hoisted on one's petard. The squalor, inhumanity, filth (both in the metaphorical and hygienic senses), depravity, ugliness and ignorance of everything that heavy metal represents (Like rap, I cannot use the noble term music in a description of heavy metal) creates a mindset among its devotees in which Mr. Abbott's assassination was an event that was all but waiting to happen.

It was highly amusing, and also terribly sad, to watch on television fans conducting a "vigil" for the slain Mr. Abbott outside of the Alrosa Villa. It was an assemblage of ignorant, semi-human barbarians who were filthy in attire and manner, intellectually incoherent and above all else, hideously ugly to the point of physical deformity. Here is a definite case in which the outer appearance of these "fans" accurately represented the hideousness of their souls. That the physical deformity of their ugliness was self-inflicted makes the spiritual tragedy of their misspent lives all the more tragic.

But one can see why the heavy metal fans so closely identified with Mr. Abbott. He was an ignorant, barbaric, untalented possessor of a guitar and large amplifier system. Freakish in appearance, more simian than human, he was the performer of a type of "entertainment" that can be likened only to a gorilla on PCP. Lacking subtlety, wit, style, emotional range and anything approaching even the smallest iota of intellectual or musical interest, Mr. Abbott was part of a generation that has confused sputum with art and involuntary reflex actions with emotion.

De gustibus non disputandem est. Matters of taste are not subject to argument. That has been a general principle of aesthetics for some time, and when we are talking about the visceral preference for Mozart or Haydn or Beethoven among civilized human beings we are on pretty safe ground. I do not understand exactly why I prefer Haydn to my good friend who prefers Beethoven. But we both agree (as do all civilized human beings) that both Messrs. Haydn and Beethoven are numerous steps further along the evolutionary trail than Dimebag Abbott.

Here is one area in which conservatives have failed and failed miserably. Whether it is out of a lack of interest or despair, conservatives for too long have ceded the entire field of aesthetics to the trust fund red babies of the blue states. And look at what this has brought us. So-called heavy metal music, so-called rap music, operas and stage plays in which modern "stagings" reduce Verdi and Shakespeare to the condition of a schizophrenic's finger paintings. Leftist domination in the visual arts has made a mockery of the aesthetic greatness of modernism and replaced it with the turd encased in Lucite. And the grammatically-challenged racist rantings of Amiri Baraka now pass for poetry.

However, we conservatives should not confuse family values with aesthetics. In the realm of art, our evangelical brethren have many crimes to answer for. When a church replaces Bach with Bacharach it has engaged in the aesthetic rape of the liturgy. Just because one has good intentions and approaches the numinous with "sincerity" and "authenticity" (the latter term ironically being a buzzword among the Marxist aestheticians of the Frankfurt School), that does not absolve one from aesthetic responsibility.

As far as I am concerned, those who advocate a dumbed-down liturgy and schlocky pop music substitutes for Bach, Handel and the masses of the Renaissance, are as offensive as the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church and his perverse sexual politics.

Part of the hard work of civilization is teaching young to be able to distinguish between the good and the bad in all aspects of life. If we teach our young children to obey the 10 Commandments and to obey the laws of the land, but don't teach them to realize that Johann Sebastian Bach is superior to Dimebag Abbott, we have failed as parents and mentors. If a person has gone through 12 or 13 years of education and has not developed an appreciation for the greatest artistic achievements of mankind, that education has been an utter failure.

While laissez-faire is the correct approach to economics it has no place in the realm of aesthetics or morality. A confidant civilization imposes its morality and aesthetics on it young people. Yes, you heard it right. We impose. The Rousseauian noble savage is a myth. Left unchecked and untutored the savage will never attain nobility.

There are those who will accuse me of elitism. And I admit it. I am a conservative elitist. I want the very best. The very best form of government, the very best of civilizations, the very best educational system, the very best literature and art, the very best music, the very best way of life. If I need open heart surgery I want to go to an elite heart surgeon.

Mediocrity is the goal of socialism. Americans should aspire to greatness.

In the past forty years, conservatives have won great victories in the political, economic and moral realms, but we stand to throw all our gains away if we do not reclaim ascendancy in the aesthetic realm as well.

And while the murder of even a semi-human barbarian like Mr. Abbott is tragic and to be lamented, it would be wrong to ignore Mr. Abbott's complicity in contributing to the soul-deadening culture of death, ugliness, depravity and inhumanity that spawned his killer.

Hugo von Hofmannsthal once remarked that "all powerful imaginations are conservative." It is time for conservatives to utilize their imaginations and reclaim the field of aesthetics from the left-that is, while there is still something left in the aesthetic realm worth reclaiming.

Iconoclast contributing editor William E. Grim is a writer who lives in Germany and is a native of Columbus, Ohio. He may be reached at wgrim@myrealbox.com.

countchocula
12-14-2004, 07:59 PM
I read snippets of it on Blabbermouth, and that was enough for me. I won't bother wasting my time on him. An e-mail would be futile, especially one rife with profanity.

The Heart Collector
12-14-2004, 07:59 PM
There's nothing to argue here. It'd be the equivalent of charging into a brick wall. Simply put, not a single word of what was said made any sort of sense, and I seriously doubt that someone who says Dimebag Darrell didn't have a STYLE has even listened to music in his life.

bluesbrother965
12-14-2004, 08:49 PM
Something tells me that this guy doesn't even know who he's talking about, he just heard that some "metal guy" died and started ranting.

Frank the Tank
12-14-2004, 09:01 PM
This douche is probably a total indy kissass as well. He probably enjoys The White Stripes and The Strokes. He's clutching his Wilco albums, and bowing down to Radiohead. Travis, Codeplay, Starsailor, Keane, and more boring britpop bands are idolized by this guy. The fact that he not only dismisses all of Metal/Rock, but also all of Hip Hop when this assfuck should realize that talented bands like A Tribe Called Quest and Public Enemy, as well as guys like Mos Def and Talib Kweli are around and ruling.

MinimalistCouch
12-14-2004, 09:38 PM
There's a reason they call them iconoclasts

my_name_is_neo
12-14-2004, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by Frank the Tank
This douche is probably a total indy kissass as well. He probably enjoys The White Stripes and The Strokes. He's clutching his Wilco albums, and bowing down to Radiohead. Travis, Codeplay, Starsailor, Keane, and more boring britpop bands are idolized by this guy. The fact that he not only dismisses all of Metal/Rock, but also all of Hip Hop when this assfuck should realize that talented bands like A Tribe Called Quest and Public Enemy, as well as guys like Mos Def and Talib Kweli are around and ruling.

Actually, he expresses his love for Classical music and talks about how that makes him more of a "civilized human being" than people who listen to rap or metal. :rolleyes:

This "William Grim" guy looks like one of the biggest assholes I've ever heard. Seriously, he has this whole air of "I'm better than you" the whole way through the fucking thing. Fuck him. I'm not even going to bother e-mailing him, since that'll give him the wrongful idea that what he says actually means something to some people.

(and what's wrong with liking The White Stripes & Radiohead? I like 'em.)

jeo4
12-14-2004, 10:14 PM
Fuck him. When he's dead, I'm sure somebody as bent on hating his diatribes will write some long, hateful rant about what a loser he was and also say "good riddance". Just let him go. He's worthless.

Frank the Tank
12-14-2004, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by my_name_is_neo


(and what's wrong with liking The White Stripes & Radiohead? I like 'em.)

Well, most of the token indy fans that get most of their knowledge from Spin Magazine and Rolling Stone adore them and all of the other bands mentioned. Not lumping you in at all neo, I'm really lumping this Grim fucker in there since those types seem to dismiss Metal as a whole as junk.

The Heart Collector
12-15-2004, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by Frank the Tank
This douche is probably a total indy kissass as well. He probably enjoys The White Stripes and The Strokes. He's clutching his Wilco albums, and bowing down to Radiohead. Travis, Codeplay, Starsailor, Keane, and more boring britpop bands are idolized by this guy. The fact that he not only dismisses all of Metal/Rock, but also all of Hip Hop when this assfuck should realize that talented bands like A Tribe Called Quest and Public Enemy, as well as guys like Mos Def and Talib Kweli are around and ruling.

huh?

did you READ the thing? Or did you just feel like bashing indie bands for no apparent reason?

It's fairly obvious that this guy listens to CLASSICAL MUSIC, SINCE THAT'S ALL HE WRITES ABOUT, AND REJECTS MODERN CULTURE.

MinimalistCouch
12-15-2004, 01:07 AM
Wow. This guy has no regard for human life

thebloodfeaster
12-15-2004, 06:36 AM
I'm not going to email him.

There are lots of people as stupid as this clown in the world and the best way to deal with them is to completely ignore them.

jeo4
12-15-2004, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by thebloodfeaster
I'm not going to email him.

There are lots of people as stupid as this clown in the world and the best way to deal with them is to completely ignore them.

Best answer ever.

Frank the Tank
12-15-2004, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by The Heart Collector
huh?

did you READ the thing? Or did you just feel like bashing indie bands for no apparent reason?

It's fairly obvious that this guy listens to CLASSICAL MUSIC, SINCE THAT'S ALL HE WRITES ABOUT, AND REJECTS MODERN CULTURE.

I don't know what I was on last night when I posted that. I really feel stupid for posting that shit last night, I was very outraged when I read the first paragraph, so I pretty much just had that guy down as one of those Pitchfork Media douches hating on Metal again. Then, this morning I read the whole thing and felt kind of dumb for posting that.

The Heart Collector
12-15-2004, 06:03 PM
http://users.ev1.net/~hjahangiri/personal/images/tkd/wj-jj-hug.JPG

Frank the Tank
12-15-2004, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by The Heart Collector
http://users.ev1.net/~hjahangiri/personal/images/tkd/wj-jj-hug.JPG

Thanks for the support. That picture touched me and made me cry on the inside. :D

chilli pepper
12-15-2004, 07:53 PM
This is just......UGH. Good honest people like DimeBag get gun-down on stage and fucks like this live on...(not wishing him death mind you, just hoping he loses his hearing in a horrible drilling accident and cant listen to his precious Bach and beethoven, PRICK.)

SykkBoy
12-15-2004, 10:18 PM
I'm kind of rooting for this guy to get cancer....

it's one thing to dismiss metal as hey, not everyone enjoys it, but to diss people because of their looks? I hope this guy has a kid with two faces...

and spare me the "don't wish that on anyone" bullshit, I truly wish it on this guy because he is a terrible human being and has an ugly spirit....

Donnie_Darko
12-16-2004, 09:01 PM
Realize people, by ending with essentially "CONTACT ME HERE", he's baiting people to flame him with unthought profain emails, thus justifying he beliefs.

It's not surprising reading this tho. A Chrstian dies, and the "Anthiests" of the world just sit back, but a "non christian dies" (was Dime even religious?), and all the fuckbags come out of the wood work.

Far beit from me to say, "All religions should be shunned off the planet, cause they cause far more world spread hate, than good", but I won't.... wait, I just did, didn't I?

:p

jeo4
12-17-2004, 11:21 AM
Donnie is right on one count. Ignore this fuckhead and he'll eventually go away.

Not all religions are bad, but remember there are crackpots everywhere. It seems pointless to even lump this idiot in with respectable religions and the people who follow them.

HannibalGuy
12-17-2004, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Donnie_Darko
Realize people, by ending with essentially "CONTACT ME HERE", he's baiting people to flame him with unthought profain emails, thus justifying he beliefs.
I wrote him the following e mail. Tell me if it justifies his bullshit beliefs:

I recently read your "article" denegrating fans of Heavy Metal music, and Darrle Abbot (R.I.P.) I have come to the conclusion that you are the ignorant one. You prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are completly uneducated when it comes to metal, it's fans and what it represents. You are the lowest piece of christan scum, and that is the truth. You are so blind with ignorance that it saddens me. Here are just a few examples of your blind ignorance:

"The squalor, inhumanity, filth (both in the metaphorical and hygienic senses), depravity, ugliness and ignorance of everything that heavy metal represents (Like rap, I cannot use the noble term music in a description of heavy metal) creates a mindset among its devotees in which Mr. Abbott's assassination was an event that was all but waiting to happen."

This is complete bullshit. You obviously know nothing about heavy metal, or what metal music is about, or what it represents. You say that Mr. Abbott's death was waiting to happen because of metal? That just shows your ignorange. Metal music may be very abrasive in nature, but it in no way, shape or form encourages violence. If anything, it is AGAINST violence! It allows people to let out their emotions through the music, insted of lashing out at people in the real world.

"It was highly amusing, and also terribly sad, to watch on television fans conducting a "vigil" for the slain Mr. Abbott outside of the Alrosa Villa. It was an assemblage of ignorant, semi-human barbarians who were filthy in attire and manner, intellectually incoherent and above all else, hideously ugly to the point of physical deformity. Here is a definite case in which the outer appearance of these "fans" accurately represented the hideousness of their souls. That the physical deformity of their ugliness was self-inflicted makes the spiritual tragedy of their misspent lives all the more tragic."

The fact that you think this about metal fans is quite sad. It saddens me that you are so blind with ignorance. Once again, you know absolutly NOTHING about metal fans and culture. Mr. Abbot's music ment something to a lot of people, and the fact that you piss all over the memory of him, and all over his fans makes you the ignorant barbarian. Just because the fans wear shirts displaying their favorite bands logo does NOT mean they are semi-himan barbarians. In fact, the fact that you blindly judge metal fans by the way they dress makes you the ignorant semi-human barbarian. Your soul is much more tragic than any metal fans. And just who the hell are you to call metal fans ignorant when you yourself are the ignorant one, because once again, you blindly judge metal fans based on their cloths alone!

"But one can see why the heavy metal fans so closely identified with Mr. Abbott. He was an ignorant, barbaric, untalented possessor of a guitar and large amplifier system. Freakish in appearance, more simian than human, he was the performer of a type of "entertainment" that can be likened only to a gorilla on PCP. Lacking subtlety, wit, style, emotional range and anything approaching even the smallest iota of intellectual or musical interest, Mr. Abbott was part of a generation that has confused sputum with art and involuntary reflex actions with emotion."

This has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read. You once again prove your ignorance of metal music by calling it talentless. I would love to see you pick up a guitar and play a metal riff or a solo. It takes much talent to play the guitar. Metal is not intellectual? Once again, another ignorant statemnt. Read the lyrics to Pantera's "Cemetery Gates" or any of the songs by the band Summoning, and tell me that those are not intelligent lyrics.

I am writing this because Mr. Abbot, Pantera, and metal has impacted my life, something your ignorant, cave man like critique of metal music will not, and will never! Before you judge fans of metal music, and the heavy metal culture, why don't you take the time to look into your own mind, however small it may be, and maybe you will finally see that you are in fact the ignorant one. Unfourtanitly, that is something you will not do, because in your polluted christan mind, anybody that dosen't agree with you is wrong, and anybody that likes heavy metal is an ignorant semi-human, which they are not. You are the ignorant semi-human.

badberry
12-18-2004, 01:05 AM
Damn those liberal metal fans.....

Seriously, wtf.

"While laissez-faire is the correct approach to economics it has no place in the realm of aesthetics or morality. A confidant civilization imposes its morality and aesthetics on it young people. "

Gag me.

Dr Martin Luther Loomis
12-18-2004, 03:30 PM
Jesus, and I thought the Cap-Alert guy was bad! I truly hate to admit that this guy got to me, but I can't help it, my jaw just hit the floor after reading this. And I've come to the conclusion that the corn in my poop is more of a human being than this slab of filth will ever be.

There are those who will accuse me of elitism. And I admit it. I am a conservatibve elitist.

Yes, there are. And yes, you most certainly are. And you and your eloquence serve as an absolute perfect example of why I laugh uncontrollably everytime I see those with a persecution complex from the "red states" bitch and moan about the elitism of the "blue states". You and your downright evil and hateful ilk are, and have always been the TRUE elitists. The arrogant, moral crusading persecuting elitists. And I'd just like to say THANK YOU for finally admitting it, and for proving my point, which I've been trying like a bitch to convey since this past election. Someone finally has the sack to actually admit it! WOW! It's really a shame more of your lovely ilk couldn't follow in your hate filled footsteps and do the same. But I understand, playing the "poor persecuted victim" 24/7 makes it hard to find the time.

And while the murder of even a semi-human barbarian like Mr. Abbott is tragic and to be lamented, it would be wrong to ignore Mr. Abbott's complicity in contributing to the soul-deadening culture of death, ugliness, depravity and inhumanity that spawned his killer

Barbarians, death, ugliness, depravity, inhumanity. Hmm... any reasonable, objective person can come up with the same when thinking of religion or openning up the bible.

How convenient to overlook a severe mental illness and directly place the blame on Heavy Metal. How interesting, when deeply religious women bash their children in the heads with rocks, drown them in bath tubs, drive them into lakes, slice em' and dice em' to pieces all in the name of god and religion, scum like Mr. Grim (what an appropriate last name) all of a sudden have no problem pointing to mental illness.

If Heavy Metal caused this man to shoot someone, then religion caused these women to murder their children. But you don't like to hear that, do ya, Mr. Grim?

Elgyn
12-19-2004, 11:12 PM
I stopped reading when he called Darrell a "talentless possesser of a guitar and large amplifier".
At that point it was obvious to me that this guy doesn`t know anything about Dimebag, Pantera, or heavy music in general. And he`s obviously biased against the heavy-metal subculture. So why should I even give his ignornat rantings the time of day?

This guy makes Michael Savage seem like a soft-spoken individual.

If I want to hear crap like this, I`ll listen to my dad talk about heavy music.:rolleyes: