Innocent people getting snuffed out in movies...

[BorderEevilIII]

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After watching the 2004 The Punisher w/ Thomas ( I mean) TOM Jane I was turned off big time when the bad guys arrive at Jane's residence and gradually snuffs out his family and friends one by one like they were at an arcade. I can seperate the difference between its JUST a movie but what the fuck did they do? Maybe just being at the wrong place at the wrong time but seeing innocent people blown away for NO apparent reason just makes me think much less about the movie.
If its a bad guy then yeah bring it on but seeing family members left and right die in front of you in a movie I can do without . :rolleyes:
I already get that on the 11 PM News or if I happen to watch CNN....
That scence reminded me of The Corrupter w/ Mark Wahlberg & Chow Yun Fat where they were chasing the bad guys in their cars and the bad dudes just open fires in return and at least 10 people in passing cars gets caught in the crossfire. When I saw that in the theaters I just quietly squirmed in my seat.

[Ted Pikul]

That scene in The Corrupter was actually toned down for cinema release.

The original version (as shown on the DVD) would probably turn Hannibal Lecter's stomach.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by BorderEevilIII
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After watching the 2004 The Punisher w/ Thomas ( I mean) TOM Jane I was turned off big time when the bad guys arrive at Jane's residence and gradually snuffs out his family and friends one by one like they were at an arcade. I can seperate the difference between its JUST a movie but what the fuck did they do? Maybe just being at the wrong place at the wrong time but seeing innocent people blown away for NO apparent reason just makes me think much less about the movie.
If its a bad guy then yeah bring it on but seeing family members left and right die in front of you in a movie I can do without . :rolleyes:
I already get that on the 11 PM News or if I happen to watch CNN....
That scence reminded me of The Corrupter w/ Mark Wahlberg & Chow Yun Fat where they were chasing the bad guys in their cars and the bad dudes just open fires in return and at least 10 people in passing cars gets caught in the crossfire. When I saw that in the theaters I just quietly squirmed in my seat.

The Punisher explained why all of those innocent people were killed.

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He killed their son, so when they went to snuff himout at the family reunion, the wife said "Kill his family. His entire family."

[BorderEevilIII]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk


He killed their son, so when they went to snuff himout at the family reunion, the wife said "Kill his family. His entire family."


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Yeah you have me on that but seeing the way it was played out I did NOT have to see that. When Jane goes on the rampage IMO just gradually falls apart. And when he gets finally meets up w/ Travolta who runs shamelessly like a little bitch was super lame. :confused:

[TheDeadWalk]

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Originally posted by BorderEevilIII
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Yeah you have me on that but seeing the way it was played out I did NOT have to see that. When Jane goes on the rampage IMO just gradually falls apart. And when he gets finally meets up w/ Travolta who runs shamelessly like a little bitch was super lame. :confused:

I am in no means ad advocate for this film first off. But...

From a technical aspect, you felt that the film went about killing innocents in a lame way. What would be your suggestion for future mass-murder episodes in which innocent people are supposed to be killed in drawn out, harmful ways? (Excluding an exploding building and the like.)

I understood why Travolta's character was running like a shameless little bitch at the end of the film. He was a man who was powerful by the material posessions he owned and the people he controlled. With no possessions left to save him, or people to influence, he was powerless. He was not a man of action, more of a cheap, healthier version of Vito Corleone, ala The Godfather. The Punisher, was a man of action who needed no one but himself to get things done. So when he layered out all of Travolta's needs and crutches, he in essence, turned him into a little bitch.


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[BorderEevilIII]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk


From a technical aspect, you felt that the film went about killing innocents in a lame way. What would be your suggestion for future mass-murder episodes in which innocent people are supposed to be killed in drawn out, harmful ways? (Excluding an exploding building and the like.)




Well...... like I said a MOVIE is just a MOVIE :D
When killings of people whether they deserved it or not I get touchy seeing it played out too realistic I get standofish seeing that. But this is just my thoughts seeing stuff like that in the movies. Should scences like that be toned down or taken out completely? I think not.... Other movie goers may not be bothered by that but I am pretty selective on stuff like that. Another movie that was similar was in The Professional aka Leon w/ Jean Reno & Natalie Portman when....





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Portman's family gets killed one by one in the apartment. But was I bothered by it? Well thats another topic :D And in Collateral w/ Tom Cruise & Jamie Foxx I wondered why Cruise was doing killings was answered towards the end when Foxx stumbles on Cruise's hit list he found in the cab. But it just depends how a scence is interepeted onto film I say. Many directors try to make a killing scence realistic and try to seperate from other films already done but when you feel like its falling into your lap makes me wanna look for the fast foward button.



:mad:

[Tony_Montana]

Becuase that's what happens in real life. I understand the Punisher is not 100% realistic but it's still set in the "real" world, and in the "real" world that's what gangsters do, like it or not.
Anyone the gangster killing his family just makes it even cooler when they get gruesomly whacked.

[B1rd_Po0p]

The Replacement Killers ** spoiler **


There was a scene where an innocent woman was getting into her SUV in a parking garage and she got caught in the crossfire. For some reason; this really disturbed and bothered me. Ruined the whole movie for me.

[daddiefatsacks]

does anyone remember in pulp fiction when Butch gets out of his car after running down Marsellus wallace, and Marcellus hits that innocent woman in the thigh....

man just hearing her scream cracks me and my friends up all the time.

[jeo4]

I weep for the future. How some of this is considered entertainment is beyond me.

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by BorderEevilIII
When killings of people whether they deserved it or not I get touchy seeing it played out too realistic I get standofish seeing that.

http://www.ifrance.com/Cinedechu/Menu/images/impitoyable/unforgiven%202.jpg
"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."

[bluesbrother965]

See: Hard Boiled, specifically the scene where that bad guy shoots a roomful of hospital patients to death.

[someguy]

Originally posted by bluesbrother965
See: Hard Boiled, specifically the scene where that bad guy shoots a roomful of hospital patients to death.

Isn't that the movie where the guy says he will shoot anyone in his way and when I mean anyone I mean ANYONE.

I think the innocent bystanders part adds more realism to the movie. Everybody does not have perfect aim, and if there's a shootout in the middle of the street between 10 people, do you seriously think people are not going to be harmed?

[jackson13]

Doesnt bother me any. Innocent people die everyday in real life, so seeing someone who I have no idea who they are or what they are doing die in a movie doesnt bother me.

[Joshmo]

Even though the original example for a gripe wasnt correct....I still think this movie wasnt that good...for a good revenge flick stick with Man on Fire and Kill Bill..heck go back 30 years and stick with the original Death Wish over The Punisher for that matter.

Punisher: 5/10

Death Wish: 7/10
Kill Bill: 9/10
Man on Fire: 8/10

[GoldenGhost]

I think the only time this has ever bothered or got a reaction out of me was with the chubby by-stander in Pulp Fiction who gets shot in the leg. Just caught me off-guard and seemed a bit harsh.

[Tony_Montana]

A bunch of civilians get whacked in Ronin as well.

[B1rd_Po0p]

I think the fact that we deal with it every day in real life is even more reason not to see it in films. We're bombarded daily with death, death, death: innocent people die every day and the news whores make sure we are aware of every graphic detail. I for one don't want to pay my hard earned money to see what I see on the news every day. I want to be entertained by over-the-top, unrealistic and fantastic scenes that take me AWAY from this world.



... but that's just me...

[someguy]

Originally posted by B1rd_Po0p
I think the fact that we deal with it every day in real life is even more reason not to see it in films. We're bombarded daily with death, death, death: innocent people die every day and the news whores make sure we are aware of every graphic detail. I for one don't want to pay my hard earned money to see what I see on the news every day. I want to be entertained by over-the-top, unrealistic and fantastic scenes that take me AWAY from this world.



... but that's just me...

That's fine, but if it's a gritty realistic movie then it shouldn't be minded when it's in there because the whole point of it is to be realistic.

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by B1rd_Po0p
I think the fact that we deal with it every day in real life is even more reason not to see it in films. We're bombarded daily with death, death, death: innocent people die every day and the news whores make sure we are aware of every graphic detail. I for one don't want to pay my hard earned money to see what I see on the news every day. I want to be entertained by over-the-top, unrealistic and fantastic scenes that take me AWAY from this world.



... but that's just me...

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Do NOT see Assault On Precinct 13 :p

[BorderEevilIII]

Originally posted by syxxpac
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Do NOT see Assault On Precinct 13 :p


the original or the remake?

[B1rd_Po0p]

Originally posted by syxxpac
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Do NOT see Assault On Precinct 13 :p

I actually wasn't planning on it. Now if it were Assault On Precinct 13 by CARNIVOROUS ALIENS FROM HELL then I'd watch it.

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by BorderEevilIII
the original or the remake?

Both, if what I hear about the original is true.

[someguy]

Originally posted by syxxpac
Both, if what I hear about the original is true.

Not true, it only focuses on the people in the station and at one point a little girl

[syxxpac]

That's what I was referring to.

[APzombie]

I can have fun at movies but I'm glad im not the only one who gets a little quezey about this.

Another example : It bothered me when every egyptian worker died in The Mummy, specificly, the reactions from it.. example:

After a days work without finding the Book of the Dead, Brendon tells Rachel Wiez "Seems our American buddies had a little set back today too, three of their workers died from sulferic acid to the face."

That shows such a lack of respect for human life, i mean, its one thing to have it just happen, its another to call it "Just a little setback".

I think the worst for me is THE BLOB remake. Jesus... So many innocent people got axed in that one, even kids. And its not just them getting sucked in by a pile of biological goo; they scream and pleed for help. That movie nearly made me cry as a kid.

[Mr.HyDe807]

In my opinion, i think the only reason you see random people getting offed in a movie is probably for its shock value. They want to make the scenes intense and edge-of-your seat.

[syxxpac]

Hahaha, I was just thinking of that poor Asian guy in T2 who gets in the way of the T-1000's assassination attempt. Call me cruel, but that was hilarious, especially when the T-1000 managed to put a round in his Pepsi can.

[someguy]

Originally posted by APzombie
I think the worst for me is THE BLOB remake. Jesus... So many innocent people got axed in that one, even kids. And its not just them getting sucked in by a pile of biological goo; they scream and pleed for help. That movie nearly made me cry as a kid.

Why must you remind me of one of the movies that traumatized me as a child :(

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by someguy
at one point a little girl



That scene totally caught me off guard.

[someguy]

Originally posted by therealjohng
That scene totally caught me off guard.

Hell yeah, that scene actually shocked me

[The Postmaster General]

Nice Wiliam Munny quote!!!

Borderevil -- But this seems to be a staple of all action movie.... I can't think of a whole lot of movies where there are no innocent deaths. You mention Collateral, but I don't see how because he was hired to kill these people makes things any different. I mean, if anything -- it clearly showed he WAS killing innocent people - without a doubt.

Then you have The Matrix.....

Really, if anything, I think your main complaint is just senseless violence. That's a solid complaint! Otherwise, I revert to the Unforgiven quote and say that innocence shouldn't play a factor.

I mean, one of the "innocent" people you mentioned was driving an SUV -- I'm sure there might be some sick environmentaists who wouldn't consider her all that innocent.

But like I said, I think the fact that Collateral didn't bother you when clearly innocent people were getting snuffed - that might just show you aren't as concerned with the innocence aspect of it as much as the entire senselessness of it.

[William Munny]

I just caught "Dark Blue" on Showtime the other night.

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By and large, in all the movies I can remember, the scene in which the most innocents were wasted was the opening convenience store robbery in "Dark Blue". It almost borders on parody.

Check it out to see what I mean.

[B1rd_Po0p]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
I mean, one of the "innocent" people you mentioned was driving an SUV -- I'm sure there might be some sick environmentaists who wouldn't consider her all that innocent.

Well if you wanna get all nit-picky... dang...

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by B1rd_Po0p
Well if you wanna get all nit-picky... dang...


I know, I know.... I just couldn't resist the opportunity.

[BorderEevilIII]

well Bubba it looks like its only me and Bird are in the same boat in reference to the topic I am addressing......


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- does the scence in Collateral where Cruise blows away the black musican guy at the table shocking? No because I already knew Cruise was on a hit list mission....

- As for the lady randomly getting hit in Pulp Fiction during the scence where Bruce Willis crashes car after hitting Ving Rhames bothersome?
No because the pacing of the movie mooooooved on.....

And nooooo I have to disagree that not all movies play out the same in reference to quote on quote innocent people getting shot at. Don't get me wrong I like some shoot em up Gun toting Good Guys versus The Bad Guys Action....

I am just a wee bit picky on glorified movies involving guns and who its being aimed/pointed at but thats just me mmmmkay :D

[The Postmaster General]

Oh no, don't get me wrong here -- Border, I totally think senseless violence is... well... nonsense...

The Matrix, as much as I love the movie, really bothers me in the amount of innocent bystanders, and even though it is explained why their deaths may be justified, it just seems like... too much almost.

However, the only part I'm disagreeing on is in reference to the innocence of the people.... Like BP said, I'm being almost nit-picky, I'd suppose. It seems like you personalizing the deaths a bit harshly. (Sorry this is the arm-chair shrink in me... :( )


Originally posted by BorderEevilIII
I am just a wee bit picky on glorified movies involving guns but thats just me mmmmkay :D

Well said, and I agree whole-heartedly.

[B1rd_Po0p]

I'm usually pretty okay with the shoot 'em up movies too - I know it's not real so I can go along with it... it's just those random images every once in awhile that make you sick to your stomach because they could be real...

[NuclearMisfit]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
does anyone remember in pulp fiction when Butch gets out of his car after running down Marsellus wallace, and Marcellus hits that innocent woman in the thigh....

man just hearing her scream cracks me and my friends up all the time.

Yeah me too man her screaming "OWWWW IVE BEEN SHOT!!!!" it was just so cheezy and I might be going to hell for saying this but I got wood from that scene.Hell I wanted the guy to come back and finish the job.

Now dont get me wrong i think its fucking horrible innocent bistanders get killed and a couple other movies really bother me after I watched them. For Example

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The train station scene in The Long Kiss Goodnight when Charlie and the people after her have a shootout a couple bistanders just going about their everyday lives gets shot to shit and then a grenade is brought into the mix and alot more people die. After me and my mom watched that she was like "you know that could have been us"

The scene in the original Assault on Precinct 13 bothered me too because the little girl had no beef with those gangmembers all she wanted was some icecream the prick that shot her got what he deserved and there shouldnt have been any reprocussions from those lowsy nameless gang members.

[Andrew Tom]

I'm wondering how no one has mentioned Total Recall yet, which has the most brutal innocent people snuffing I can remember seeing.

[B1rd_Po0p]

Originally posted by Andrew Tom
I'm wondering how no one has mentioned Total Recall yet, which has the most brutal innocent people snuffing I can remember seeing.

I don't remember that one but I do remember that I didn't really care for it after I saw it. So my brain must be blocking it out for the sake of my sanity.

[adamjohnson]

This is a subject that has been irking ME to no end lately, mostly because ni my latest script 'Within Darkness" *shameless plug* our not-so-good anti-hero kills three or four supposedly innocent cops when they try to capture him (even though a big theme of the script is that 'no one is innocent' and it COMPLETELY fits within his character to kill anyone without remorse).

I just kept harking back to The Matrix where about a dozen military personnel get mowed down in the Lobby and no one seems to care THEN. I think it's just peoples instilled moral values getting in the way.

[The Heart Collector]

I love that kinda shit in movies. Makes them more realistic.


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After they kidnap Robin and the bodyguards get into the cars, you see one or two innocent bystanders dead on the floor. (NO, THEY'RE NOT BODYGUARDS. It's a woman).





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