Am i the only one getting sick of all the praise for RAY? [Archive]

SkyNet

02-20-2005, 02:49 PM

Now... i rented RAY.. i really enjoyed the movie... and i went out and bought it. i think it is a very good flick.

BUT all you hear is that Jaime Foxx is going to win the Oscar because he BECAME RAY... he wasnt just acting.. he WAS RAY CHARLES... dont get me wrong... i agree, and i think he did an excellent job BUT

Where was all that Praise for Jim Carrey when he did the exact same thing with Andy Kaufman(sp??)?

Sure he won the GG.. but was totally snubbed by the Oscars... so i got a few questions:

1) Do you think Man On The Moon got less respect than Ray because Andy Kaufman wasnt as respected as Ray Charles??

2) Do you think Jim Carrey is getting less respect than Jaime Foxx for the ame reason as above?

3) DO you think it is because the academy feels bad about not nominating as many Black Actors as they do white actors, they they keep on snubbing Jim Carrey and give Foxx the nom because it is a role of a lifetime for him, and if he didnt get nominated, ppl such as the NAACP would throw hissy fits??

(no disrespect to black ppl at all... just serious questions i have)

someguy

02-20-2005, 04:17 PM

I thought Ray was actually very boring . Jamie Foxx did a good job as Ray Charles, but the ending with his whole flashback to his mom and brother was terrible(it was more of jamie foxx acting then). I prefer Leonardo Dicaprio winning the oscar.

scottish-movie-freak

02-20-2005, 05:59 PM

I'm seeing it tomorrow, not because I'm a Ray Charles fan but because of the hype. It's gotten so much press that I feel like I have to see it, normally I'd just ignore it and go against popular opinion but I've been manipulated. DAMN THE STUDIOS! DAMN ALL THE AWARDS!

therealjohng

02-20-2005, 06:11 PM

3rd worst movie of 2004. I'm baffled that this movie has so many Oscar noms. Including Jamie Foxx. Why is he nominated? Extremely dissapointing.

krazy drako

02-20-2005, 06:14 PM

It's pretty much because he died and it was very recent thats why. If this movie would of been made 10 years later opinions would be different. Hopefully it doesn't run the train like the Ray Charles albums did at the Grammys. Probably good albums but I think it got a lot of them for the wrong reasons, which was the fact he died.

jeo4

02-20-2005, 07:06 PM

I think the Academy has fallen into the same stigma that so many other corporate dinosaurs have in the past...they deify any idea they come up with and then fall painfully out of step with their audience. This in my opinion is why MAN ON THE MOON didn't win dick. It's also why most biopics are glossed over for any recognition...then again, if a John Nash pic can win an Oscar, so can Ray Charles. On the other hand, I agree with anyone who said that Jamie Foxx was incredible as Ray. I saw the film last weekend with the extended scenes, and I really got more out of it than with the theatrical release. I enjoyed it immensely.

There are many people who would say that Hollywood is tryng to correct its past mistakes for not nominating African Americans as often as they should. I don't think so. I think that the quality of Foxx's performance is remarkably high. He has truly made a leap out of comedy and into serious performances, with both RAY and COLLATERAL. And I think that he will walk away with at least one Oscar next weekend.

02-20-2005, 07:18 PM

Regardless of anyone's outside opinion, I believe Jim Carrey at least deserved an Oscar nomination for both Man On The Moon, and The Truman Show.

He was pretty damn good in The Majestic, too.

Note: I'm not a fan of Carrey's, I just like the way he handled those roles.

I don't give a shit about the Oscars or any other award show, really, but it would be nice if Jim Carrey was recognised for some seriously good work.

The Mack

02-20-2005, 07:42 PM

I said not too long ago that Ray was way overrated so I agree with you Sky.

As for the Grammys, my thoughts exactly. Ray Charles won all those awards because he had died. I didn't think we were supposed to give feel good awards out. It reminded me of when the Academy Awards gave Denzel Washington and Halle Berry "honorary" Oscars.

krazy drako

02-20-2005, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by ak
Regardless of anyone's outside opinion, I believe Jim Carrey at least deserved an Oscar nomination for both Man On The Moon, and The Truman Show.

He was pretty damn good in The Majestic, too.

Note: I'm not a fan of Carrey's, I just like the way he handled those roles.

I don't give a shit about the Oscars or any other award show, really, but it would be nice if Jim Carrey was recognised for some seriously good work.

amen to that. I can't agree more. Jim Carey deserves an oscar. The Truman show was an awesome preformance.

Mr. Fancy Pants

02-20-2005, 11:01 PM

Ray was getting a lot of Oscar hype before it was released. I mean months before.

I haven't seen it but I'd vote against it out of principal. Way, way, way too much hype.

Also Ray Charles scared me when I was a kid.

AceD

02-20-2005, 11:13 PM

1) Do you think Man On The Moon got less respect than Ray because Andy Kaufman wasnt as respected as Ray Charles??

Not because of his respect as an artist, but because he (Kaufman) was an abrasive guy and had his problems, but unlike Ray didn't live long enough to clean himself up (unless you believe that Charlie Kaufman is actually Andy, which I'd love to believe).

2) Do you think Jim Carrey is getting less respect than Jaime Foxx for the ame reason as above?

I think it's more that Ray was simply more of an American staple thatn Andy was. More recognizeable and more respected.

3) DO you think it is because the academy feels bad about not nominating as many Black Actors as they do white actors, they they keep on snubbing Jim Carrey and give Foxx the nom because it is a role of a lifetime for him, and if he didnt get nominated, ppl such as the NAACP would throw hissy fits??

They probably do think that a little, but that doesn't change the fact that Foxx gave an amazing performance. I'm sure Carrey has been close to being nominated a few times. He'll get one.

"It's pretty much because he died and it was very recent thats why. If this movie would of been made 10 years later opinions would be different. Hopefully it doesn't run the train like the Ray Charles albums did at the Grammys. Probably good albums but I think it got a lot of them for the wrong reasons, which was the fact he died."

Yes, he won the Grammy's because he died, but the Acadamy doesn't care that much about him. Best Actor is all it will win in the major catergories. The movie would be great (IMHO) whenever it was released.

"Ray was getting a lot of Oscar hype before it was released. I mean months before."

Exactly. Months before Ray even died.

Yeah, Carrey has been snubbed, but it's not like Jaime is undeserving.

Moviefan1234

02-21-2005, 10:34 AM

I think Ray was a good movie, however, I don't think it should be nominated for Best Picture. Something like Hotel Rwanda or The Woodsman should be in its place. Jamie Foxx on the otherhand was memorizing, superb, stunning, jaw dropping, etc. The best performance I have seen in YEARS. He will deservedly win the Oscar.

JCPhoenix

02-21-2005, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
I think Ray was a good movie, however, I don't think it should be nominated for Best Picture. Something like Hotel Rwanda or The Woodsman should be in its place. Jamie Foxx on the otherhand was memorizing, superb, stunning, jaw dropping, etc. The best performance I have seen in YEARS. He will deservedly win the Oscar.

You took the words right out of my mouth :)

therealjohng

02-21-2005, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
Jamie Foxx on the otherhand was memorizing, superb, stunning, jaw dropping, etc. The best performance I have seen in YEARS. He will deservedly win the Oscar.

You need to see more movies then.

eljefe15

02-21-2005, 06:46 PM

Jaime Foxx was amazing, Don Cheadle was better. Ray was a great movie with a bad ending. As for Jim Carrey in Man On the Moon, he was great. But that movie came out a long, long time ago. How can you fault Ray and Jamie Foxx for something that happened long ago. How can you even compare the two. It's like giving Martin Scorsese and Oscar for the Aviator simply for not getting one for Raging Bull or for Goodfellas, which he deserved.

Alrato!

SkyNet

02-21-2005, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by eljefe15
Jaime Foxx was amazing, Don Cheadle was better. Ray was a great movie with a bad ending. As for Jim Carrey in Man On the Moon, he was great. But that movie came out a long, long time ago. How can you fault Ray and Jamie Foxx for something that happened long ago. How can you even compare the two. It's like giving Martin Scorsese and Oscar for the Aviator simply for not getting one for Raging Bull or for Goodfellas, which he deserved.

Alrato!

ha... i thhink they should give Scorsese an Oscar to make up for all the previous films he didnt get one for!

Thats the reason i think Sean Penn won that shit last year! His performance in Mystic was great, no doubt... but i think it was the fact that "OMG.. Sean penn hasnt won an oscar yet?? holy shit.. we gotta give him one finally"!

Which is why i firmly believe the academy will NOT snubb Scorsese this year!

(I just hope that the Academy doesnt snubb Johnny Depp this year also... i either want him or Cheadle to win... but Depp is one of my all time fav actors (as is Cheadle tho) shit.. im torn! I want Depp to win!

eljefe15

02-21-2005, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by SkyNet
ha... i thhink they should give Scorsese an Oscar to make up for all the previous films he didnt get one for! Which is why i firmly believe the academy will NOT snubb Scorsese this year!

I agree. Scorsese should have one for Raging Bull, Goodfellas maybe even Casino. I also think he should win this year for The Aviator. But not because he didn't win in previous years, but because The Aviator was a greatest directorial acheivment this year.

Alrato!

Moviefan1234

02-21-2005, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by therealjohng
You need to see more movies then.

Um, ok. :rolleyes:

Would you mind telling me some performances you think were more impressive in the last five years?

someguy

02-21-2005, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
Um, ok. :rolleyes:

Would you mind telling me some performances you think were more impressive in the last five years?

Russell Crowe in Gladiator

;)

bmain77

02-21-2005, 09:52 PM

I was completely blown away by Jim Carrey's Andy Kaufman. It was simply mind blowing how much shockingly accurately he captured Andy Kaufman. But then I watched Fox's Charles and I was even more awed. If Fox wins it (and I think he will ) it will be because he deserves it.

I honestly think Jim Carrey hasn't won yet because the Academy is too stuck up to give an award to someone who got where he is by talking out his asshole in Ace Ventura. He was screwed a little bit by not winning for the Truman Show and was screwed a lot for not winning for Man on the Moon.

As far as Scorcese goes if I was him and he wins this time around. He should give his oscar to Robert De Niro or Joe Pesci and have them bludgen to death all of academy voters for not giving him an award prior to this. This man has made without argument 3 or 4 of the best movies of all time (Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, and Raging Bull). How has he not won before now?

therealjohng

02-23-2005, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
Um, ok. :rolleyes:

Would you mind telling me some performances you think were more impressive in the last five years?

Clint Eastwood in Million Dollar Baby
Guy Pearce in Memento
Russell Crowe in A Beautiful Mind
Denzel Wasington in Training Day

To name a few.

bigred760

02-23-2005, 07:43 PM

I never saw Man on the Moon, but I do believe that Jamie Foxx will win the Oscar just because of what he did to play Ray Charles and how he played him: when filming, he taped his eyes shut, which (I think I read this somewhere) hurt him some, he played the piano, and actually sang some of the songs.

He played the part so convincingly and perfectly, there's no doubt in my mind he'll get the Oscar.

From the little that I've seen from Man on the Moon, I do think Jim Carrey was snubbed. But since the part was also considered a comedic part, that could've had something to do with it. Though not always, the Oscars have a history of ignoring comedic roles. For the record, I think Carrey got screwed out of a nomination for Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (but that's another thread, I believe).

Moviefan1234

02-24-2005, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by therealjohng
Clint Eastwood in Million Dollar Baby
Guy Pearce in Memento
Russell Crowe in A Beautiful Mind
Denzel Wasington in Training Day

To name a few.

Well, the only performance in that list of four that even comes close to Foxx's brilliant performance is Crowe, but even his turn as Nash isn't as good as Jamie Foxx was in Ray. Listen buddy, I don't know what you have against Jamie Foxx, but I just don't understand how someone can say he shouldn't be even nominated. :confused: It's quite baffling.

therealjohng

02-24-2005, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
Well, the only performance in that list of four that even comes close to Foxx's brilliant performance is Crowe, but even his turn as Nash isn't as good as Jamie Foxx was in Ray. Listen buddy, I don't know what you have against Jamie Foxx, but I just don't understand how someone can say he shouldn't be even nominated. :confused: It's quite baffling.

I have nothing against Foxx. I think he was great in Collateral. But in Ray all he does is move like a blind man and play piano.

AmunRaTRON

02-25-2005, 05:06 PM

But in Ray all he does is move like a blind man and play piano.

HA! its far more than that my friend. Its his mannerisms the way he moves, the was he talks, everything about him. he completly embodied ray charles to the utmost. Let me ask you something; When (if you have seen it ) watched ray did you say to yourself "yes jamiee was good but any other black actor could have done it" ? Thats what i think is the key here. When i watch certain biopics there are times when i think hmmmm this movie is great but the casting is a little off. When i watched ray, i couldnt see anyone other than Foxx playing ray. I even tried to say how would cuba gooding do it, and i still couldnt see it. I think thats what gets foxx the award. his ability to completly become that person. The fact that when you watch him you dont see an actor you see ray charles. if it were anyone else i dont think that it would be even nearly as good. and as for jim not winning an oscar, i cant remember who he was up against those years,someone refresh my memory

Misanthrope

02-25-2005, 06:01 PM

AmunRaTRON

02-25-2005, 07:20 PM

One thing i hate is the trendy fans. I just despise this attitute. Ray is out, suddenly all tv and music channels praise his life and work, thats just bullshit no one seriously talked about him ever before the movie. Same as with the LOTR trilogy, before the movies only a very small group of people knew who tolkien was, after the movies every idiot suddenly was "fan of the books since way before the movies", Hunter S. Thompson dies? "Oooh im so sad, ive been a fan of his work for years now even know i never ever in my life talked about him before this day".

i agree with you on that one. although when the lotr movies came out i did go out and read the books. However i never claimed to be " a fan of the books from years back" and as for hunter s. Thompson i have heard his name hear and there but i have never read anything he has written so im not even going to go there. The one thing that does bother is when j6p has no clue that the movie he is watching is based on a book that was leaps and bounds better than what he is looking at. OH OH HO and the worst, the absolute worst is " Why read the book when i can just watch the movie" That one pisses me off like no tomorrow. ugh just read the fricken books!! thats one of the things that pisses me off about my generation: no respect for the written word (i was born in 87 i turn 18 in 3 months) i enjoy reading alot, but none of my peers think reading is fun, let alone a great way to expand your mind;case in point most of my freinds hear the name Dorian grey and immediatly think sean connery and the lxg. (worst movie ever) that type of stuff just irks me !!!!!

wow in reading what i just wrote, waaaay o/t lol sorry

Mr. Fancy Pants

03-05-2005, 09:43 PM

I know I am obsessing over this but this is the RANT section. I've had one person agree with me and I want at least 2 more while it's still fresh in everyones memory.

During the heart-wrenching grandmother part of his oscar speech Jamie Foxx chokes up. During that moment he peeks out at the audience as if he can't really believe everyone is falling for it.

Please check your video tapes. Tell me you see it. You don't have to agree with my interpretation but please tell me you see it.

BubbaStrangelove

03-05-2005, 10:26 PM

No, I saw what you saw. I just interpreted it differently -- I thought he was getting ready to go on and then covered his face back up. At the time though, I even considered that he was peaking out, but just more so as a joke. The initial response I had was that it was just an overwelming moment for him. People get choked up when they win Oscars, and people get choked up when mentioning loved ones who recently passed. Together.....

There was nothing that Foxx needed to exagerate, you know. The fact spoke for themselves. Foxx simply be upset makes far more sense than him manipulating it -- especially that late into the game.