Empire Magazine: The 10 Worst Best Pictures

[Toshirô]

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What I'm wondering is, where's...

Titanic? Chicago? The English Patient?

[ChemicalRomance]

What do they think should have won each of those years?

What about Forest Gump dammit!!!

[Toshirô]

See below.

[Toshirô]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
What do they think should have won each of those years?

What about Forest Gump dammit!!!

Forrest Gump is there.

And I don't think the list is stating that they didn't rightfully win. Those films very well may have been the best films that respective year. Rather, out of all the films that have won Best Picture, these are the bottom of the bunch. I could be wrong.

[brodeurnumber1]

So they liked Shakespeare in Love as Best Picture? Interesting.

[Raging Bull080]

Man I love seeing Forrest Gump on that list. It is kind of funny to me that in 1998 when The American Film Institute came out with their list of the 100 greatest films, Forrest Gump was so much higher on the list than Pulp Fiction, Shawshank didn't even make the list. I would like to see them make a new list, let's just say that things would be very different.

[Toshirô]

Originally posted by brodeurnumber1
So they liked Shakespeare in Love as Best Picture? Interesting.

From my understanding, that was a great, intellectual and witty film. It's author, Tom Stoppard is considered an expert on Shakespeare and the english language. His other credits include Brazil and Empire of the Sun. "I agree with everything you say, but I would attack to the death your right to say it." and "Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets. Imagination without skill gives us modern art." are quotes from Stoppard.

Though I haven't personally seen the movie, I read that it's packed with allusions to Shakespeare's works and that if you didn't have a firm understanding of said work, your enjoyment of the film may vastly differ from someone who does.

[ilovemovies]

Oh, please. Shakespeare in Love is nothing more than your average romantic comedy. Mind you, there are clever references through out to Shakespeare's work and it's kind of clever how you see how he came up with the story for Romeo & Julliet. But it's still only very slightly above average at best. It's a decent flick and I will say that I did think Gwyneth Paltrow was wonderful and deserving of her oscar. But the movie robbed Saving Private Ryan of it's best picture and it robbed The Truman Show of it's best screenplay award. Shameful imo.

Braveheart and A Beautiful Mind shouldn't have won in there years but they are still great movies. And Forrest Gump shouldn't be on this list. GREAT movie! Ditto for Rocky (although I haven't seen Taxi Driver)!

Where's The Sound of Music? The only thing good about that movie was the cinematography.

Or the godawful West Side Story?

[A.J. Hakari]

ROCKY?

:(

[Buck Turgidson]

I would've found a way to get Chicago in there, but most of those films really, really suck and are an embarrassment to the AMPAS.

Good list.

[Hannibal21]

Glad to see Forrest Gump, Braveheart, and Around the World in 80 Days in there. I would've found room to sneak The English Patient up on that list too, all of them are awful.

[Toshirô]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
Oh, please. Shakespeare in Love is nothing more than your average romantic comedy. Mind you, there are clever references through out to Shakespeare's work and it's kind of clever how you see how he came up with the story for Romeo & Julliet. But it's still only very slightly above average at best. It's a decent flick and I will say that I did think Gwyneth Paltrow was wonderful and deserving of her oscar. But the movie robbed Saving Private Ryan of it's best picture and it robbed The Truman Show of it's best screenplay award. Shameful imo.

Braveheart and A Beautiful Mind shouldn't have won in there years but they are still great movies. And Forrest Gump shouldn't be on this list. GREAT movie! Ditto for Rocky (although I haven't seen Taxi Driver)!

Where's The Sound of Music? The only thing good about that movie was the cinematography.

Or the godawful West Side Story?

I was absorbing your opinion of Shakespeare in Love, but then completely disregarded it when you decided to insult The Sound of Music and West Side Story.

[Ted Pikul]

The best film released in 1998 (by some margin) was The Thin Red Line.

Arguments about whether Saving Private Ryan should have won the Best Picture Oscar over Shakespeare In Love is like that old adage about 2 bald men fighting over a comb.

[JenJen]

Good call on A Beautiful Mind. How could it beat Gosford Park, Into The Bedroom, Lord of the Rings and Moulin Rouge, which are all better movies?

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by JenJen
Good call on A Beautiful Mind. How could it beat Gosford Park, Into The Bedroom, Lord of the Rings and Moulin Rouge, which are all better movies?

it would been a battle between A Beautiful Mind and LOTR, and ABM would've still won. Also, all the other films you mentioned were horrenous

[Cronos]

Originally posted by Toshirô
What I'm wondering is, where's...

Titanic? Chicago? The English Patient?

exactly what i was thinking

[Briare Rabbit]

Originally posted by Raging Bull080
Shawshank didn't even make the list. I would like to see them make a new list, let's just say that things would be very different.

I doubt it. Even in 1998 people bitched about Gump beating PF. Nothing's changed, and therefore, neither would the list.

Ordinary People does not deserve to be on there. Because, that film is much better than Raging Bull.

[Tayzlor]

The list just looks like Best Pictures that won over great movies.

Ordinary People over Raging Bull
How Green Was My Valley over Citizen Kane
Rocky over Taxi Driver

I'm not a fan of any movies on the list, but there are far worse movies that have won Best Picture. Gladiator?

[Sigur509]

Originally posted by Tayzlor
but there are far worse movies that have won Best Picture. Gladiator?

A big ditto.

[Trinity]

How Green Was My Valley?! One of the greatest BP winner ever. No way should it be on that list.

[AdmiralViscen]

Glad to see Ordinary People and Rocky up there. Scorsese had the Best Pictures both those years.

[Digifruitella]

Originally posted by Toshirô
Titanic

Heh, why does everyone hate this movie.

[Toshirô]

Originally posted by Briare Rabbit
Ordinary People does not deserve to be on there. Because, that film is much better than Raging Bull.

I won't tell you that your opinion is wrong, but many people would disagree with you.

[Briare Rabbit]

Originally posted by Toshirô
I won't tell you that your opinion is wrong, but many people would disagree with you.

Most of them being rabid Scorsese fanboys. And most of them having not even seen it.

Scorsese's films are horrendously overrated. Especially Taxi Driver, which is a borderline awful film.

[Tayzlor]

Originally posted by Trinity
How Green Was My Valley?! One of the greatest BP winner ever. No way should it be on that list.

I think it's on there because it beat Citizen Kane. Not the way to this kind of list, so you can't take it seriously. Again, where is Gladiator? That's like if I, Robot or Troy won Best Picture this Sunday.

[Jamesadin]

Mmm, I think Gladiator was significantly better than I, Robot or Troy.

[MrScissorhands]

Am I the only one who loved The English Patient ?

In my opinion, the most embarrassing Best Film winners of the last couple of years were Chicago (with a bullet), Gladiator, A Beautiful Mind and Shakespeare in Love. I actually really liked Shakespeare in Love, but it was just no match for the competition.

[Toshirô]

Originally posted by Briare Rabbit
Most of them being rabid Scorsese fanboys. And most of them having not even seen it.

Scorsese's films are horrendously overrated. Especially Taxi Driver, which is a borderline awful film. You should find another interest, bud. :)

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by Toshirô
I won't tell you that your opinion is wrong, but many people would disagree with you.

I'm not one of those many people.

I agree with him wholeheartedly, Ordinary People should not be on that list; the only reason it's there is because it beat Raging Bull, an inferior film, in my opinion.

[AdmiralViscen]

I can understand people not being into Raging Bull, but what that one guy said about Taxi Driver absolutely boggles my mind.

[Tayzlor]

Originally posted by Jamesadin
Mmm, I think Gladiator was significantly better than I, Robot or Troy.

Okay, well I disagree.

[Zep]

Meh. This list is worth about the same as all the other best/worst lists out there. Which is to say, nothing.

[Toshirô]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
I'm not one of those many people.

I agree with him wholeheartedly, Ordinary People should not be on that list; the only reason it's there is because it beat Raging Bull, an inferior film, in my opinion.

The statement you quoted me on was my response to him saying that Ordinary People was better than Raging Bull, not that Ordinary People was a bad film. I haven't seen Ordinary People, but you'll find that the general consensus is that Raging Bull deserved to win.

Check out where Ordinary People places (if at all) on Top 10/50/100 Greatest Movies lists compared to Raging Bull.

[Briare Rabbit]

Originally posted by Toshirô
You should find another interest, bud. :)

Talk like that won't get you any respect.

Gangs of New York would've been ripped to shreds had it not been a Scorsese film. Same goes for Casino. Mean Streets is incredibly overrated, as is Taxi Driver.

Raging Bull, Goodfellas, The Aviator and King of Comedy are all wonderful movies, three of which I'd place on a top 100, but the point is, a lot of his filmography is either just good or not all that impressive, and there are always movies better than his. In my opinion, Ordinary People is better than Raging Bull.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by Toshirô
The statement you quoted me on was my response to him saying that Ordinary People was better than Raging Bull, not that Ordinary People was a bad film.

Yes, I know, and I agree with him.

Ordinary People is a better film and when I see it on a list like this that should have Gentlemen's Agreement, Oliver!, A Beautiful Mind and many others on it instead, tells me that it's mostly there because people disagree that it beat out Raging Bull for Best Picture instead of being judged on its quality alone.

[Toshirô]

Originally posted by Briare Rabbit
Talk like that won't get you any respect.

Gangs of New York would've been ripped to shreds had it not been a Scorsese film. Same goes for Casino. Mean Streets is incredibly overrated, as is Taxi Driver.

Raging Bull, Goodfellas, The Aviator and King of Comedy are all wonderful movies, three of which I'd place on a top 100, but the point is, a lot of his filmography is either just good or not all that impressive, and there are always movies better than his. In my opinion, Ordinary People is better than Raging Bull.

It's widely accepted that Gangs of New York wasn't a good movie. And I'm not going to debate back-and-forth with you whether this was a good movie or that was a bad movie, because you're entitled to your opinion. I simply disagree with you.

I restate: You're entitled to feel that Taxi Driver is a "borderline awful film", but what isn't debatable is that many people, specifically film scholars and those who study the medium professionally, would strongly disagree with you. You seem like a very resentful person, and where respect is concerned, I have no interest in earning yours.

[Toshirô]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
Yes, I know, and I agree with him.

Ordinary People is a better film and when I see it on a list like this that should have Gentlemen's Agreement, Oliver!, A Beautiful Mind and many others on it instead, tells me that it's mostly there because people disagree that it beat out Raging Bull for Best Picture instead of being judged on its quality alone.

As I said, I haven't seen Ordinary People, and as I said to another user: you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

P.S. A Beautiful Mind is on there. Number two.

[Briare Rabbit]

Originally posted by Toshirô
I restate: You're entitled to feel that Taxi Driver is a "borderline awful film", but what isn't debatable is that many people, specifically film scholars and those who study the medium professionally, would strongly disagree with you. You seem like a very resentful person, and where respect is concerned, I have no interest in earning yours.

In terms of style, score, cinematography and what not, sure Taxi Driver is a great movie. It lacks a character we can at least respect, like Scorsese created with Henry Hill or LaMotta. And many scholars agree with that.

As for the comments about what I "seem" like, you better watch stuff like that. Because really, you don't know me. I didnt pick a fight with you by making bullshit comments like you did. This is a board to discuss film, and I dont see a lot of that here.

Gentleman's Agreement is an overly sentimental film, and far too straight forward and sterile in it's subject matter, but it's still a pretty good movie. Greg Peck gives an honest performance, and for those qualities, it doesn't deserve to be on there.

Braveheart does, Beautiful Mind is sanitized but well acted, and I have no problem with it. Gump, 80 Days (recently saw this) and Rocky are all passable, at the very least, but neither really deserve it. How Green is an adaquate tear jerker, but there were superior movies to it and Citizen Kane in 1941.

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by Briare Rabbit
Gentleman's Agreement is an overly sentimental film, and far too straight forward and sterile in it's subject matter, but it's still a pretty good movie. Greg Peck gives an honest performance, and for those qualities, it doesn't deserve to be on there.

For tackling a touchy subject matter alone at that time, it probably deserved to win, but I watched it again recently and it's one of those movies that hasn't aged well at all. Agreed on all your points on the movie except that it's pretty good. In my opinion, it's average at best right now...

[Indiana Sev]

Originally posted by Toshirô
P.S. A Beautiful Mind is on there. Number two.

Yep, I missed that. Glad to see it there.

[Toshirô]

Originally posted by Briare Rabbit
As for the comments about what I "seem" like, you better watch stuff like that. Because really, you don't know me. I didnt pick a fight with you by making bullshit comments like you did. This is a board to discuss film, and I dont see a lot of that here.


Which bullshit comments are those? You don't see alot of film discussion here? Then what the hell are we talking about anyway? The economy in Indonesia? Rabbit cancer? You're not even attempting to make sense anymore are you? Anyway...

You seem to lack comprehension skills. I said you "seem" like a resentful person. You say I cannot make that statement because "you don't know me," as if we were on fucking Maury or something. One can seem like a serial killer, but not be. Let's refer to a dictionary. Hmm, here we go: seem, the intransitive verb.

seem
1. To give the impression of being; appear.
2. To appear to one's own opinion or mind.
3. To appear to be true, probable, or evident.

Therefore, you may appear to be something you're not. Prove me wrong.

[Briare Rabbit]

Originally posted by Indiana Sev
For tackling a touchy subject matter alone at that time, it probably deserved to win, but I watched it again recently and it's one of those movies that hasn't aged well at all. Agreed on all your points on the movie except that it's pretty good. In my opinion, it's average at best right now...

It's definitely dated these days, but I liked it anyway. Definitely not the most contemporary feeling of the classics.

Ever see School Ties? Thats a recent movie that feels like it's from the 40's. But its not.

[Raul Duke]

Pulp Fiction is a cool movie, thats all, got damn what an overrated movie. Forrest Gump is much better.

[Toshirô]

I'll defend that Pulp Fiction is better than Forrest Gump to the death.

Better direction, better screenplay, better characters, better plot, better everything IMHO.

The only reason that Forrest Gump won Best Picture is because it was a feel-good movie that assured "happily-ever-after" endings that the Academy seems to love. It was an emotionally heavier film than Shawshank and miles more emotional than Pulp Fiction. Films that explore the "ups-and-downs of life" are what the Academy looks for. The more dramatic, the better chances it has at the Oscar. Let's look at history.

Rocky
Annie Hall
Kramer vs. Kramer
Ordinary People
Chariots of Fire
Terms of Endearment
Out of Africa
Rain Man
Forrest Gump
The English Patient
Titanic
American Beauty

Rocky and Chariots of Fire won because they assured people that dreams come true, a popular theme concerning the Academy. American Beauty, Terms of Endearment, and Ordinary People are all films that packed layer of drama over layer of drama until they were considered explorations of life. Rain Man? C'mon, a movie that portrays the relationship between a hotshot and his autistic brother? A shoe-in. It's theme being that people can change. Yay, happiness. The English Patient and Titanic are gushers. It's the same routine every year, and that's why I have my money on Million Dollar Baby this year.

And if you feel that Pulp Fiction is simply a film that tries to pack as much "cool" in the mix as possible, then you should rewatch it a couple of times and think about how every element of the film is glowing with genius (mostly concerning the structure, characters, subplots, and dialogue).

[ChemicalRomance]

I agree greatly with Andy (Toshiro).

Pulp Fiction is better in almost every cinematic aspect than Forest Gump. This isn't to say that Forest Gump isn't a great movie, it is. But when you compare the two movies I feel like the ripple effect caused by Pulp Fiction is much more than that of Forest Gump. Think about it. Forest Gump is a simple story of a simple man with a simple happy ending. Pulp Fiction goes much deeper into the question of life (just look at Vincent and Jules conversation at the end of the movie, and Jules and Ringos convo.) I agree that Forest Gump won because it is a simple movie with a happy ending, something that the academy definitly loves. Pulp Fiction would never win because, it is too "violent" for the Academy and if they did have it win there be so much controversy, people would forget that the movie even won Pulp Fiction.

Forest Gump to me started two things: "shrimp", and the saying "life is like a box of choclates." I don't think any scene in Forest Gump can ever rival Pulp Ficiton. Both great movies, this is a given. But in terms of lasting effect and complexity and effectiveness and use of cinematic elements...count me in for Pulp. And um, Shawshank.

[TheDeadWalk]

I agree that Pulp Fiction is a better film than Forrest Gump.

What I disagree with, is that because I think Pulp Fiction is a better film, then it was obviously shafted at the Oscar's. The Academy has their opinion, and their opinion is just as equal as mine.

Citing the 'happy' or 'gusher' tag on Best Picture films I think is ludicrous.

From my personal viewing experience, the following best pictures aren't in that demographic:

Braveheart
Gladiator
Schindler's List
Unforgiven
Silence of the lambs
Dances with wolves
Platoon
The Deer Hunter
The Godfather
The Godfather part 2
One flew over the cuckoo's nest


What the academy feels is the best film in their opinion is what wins the Oscar. I don't think there is any shenannigans or tom foolery going on with the Oscars. The academy can and will give out their award to whomever they deem most worthy, and they can do that, because in the end the golden trophy doesn't have my fucking face on it.

[Toshirô]

^ The fact is: all those films are heavy in drama, and that's what I'm arguing. Films like Pulp Fiction have no chance, despite quality filmmaking. Schindler's List? One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? One about the holocaust, the other about the necessity of joy in which the main character gets a lobotomy at the end? Gladiator? A man's family is slaughtered and he avenges them? The Silences of the Lambs is a movie packed with the theme of the empowerment of women. These films prove my point.

[TheDeadWalk]

I felt that Pulp Fiction was heavy drama based on the fact that much of the film revolves around its character study in unique forms of dialogue.

A few people get shot, there's vulgarity, and of course there is Ving Rhames getting ass raped sure, but the film still comes full circle with its dialogue featuring blueberry pancakes, a gold watch, why Jules won't eat bacon, Royale with cheese, and so on.

It's drama, just the same as Randall Patrick MacMurphy talking about getting his nose up into some 14 year old girl's beaver... it's just a more unique drama that strikes an interest, for me an almost real-life voyeuristic interest.

But basically just an almost experimental take on the same types of things that we have seen. But it doesn't by any means mean that an academy should vote it in as a winner, and it certainly has no measurement in saying that it is 'too violent' for the academy's standard.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by Toshirô
^ The fact is: all those films are heavy in drama, and that's what I'm arguing. Films like Pulp Fiction have no chance, despite quality filmmaking. Schindler's List? One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? One about the holocaust, the other about the necessity of joy in which the main character gets a lobotomy at the end? Gladiator? A man's family is slaughtered and he avenges them? The Silences of the Lambs is a movie packed with the theme of the empowerment of women. These films prove my point.

The only point you seem to try to be proving is that you don't see how anyone in the world could have thought that Forrest Gump was a better film than Pulp Fiction.

Those films didn't necessarily try to prove your point, because your point was supposed to be that happy go lucky or crybaby films are always shoe-ins to win the Oscars, because the Academy is apparently rigged that way.

If they were, then why Gladiator and why not Chocolat or Erin Brokovich?

Why Cuckoo's Nest and not Dog Day Afternoon?

The Godfather could have easily lost to Cabaret...

And though the silence of the lambs had that 'empowerment of women' underlying theme, they still had to triumph over JFK and a Barbara Streisand 'blockbuster' The Prince of Tides.

My main message here is that I'm trying to stick up for overall subjectiveness in the quality of film overtop of the individually felt objectiveness.

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by Toshirô
It was an emotionally heavier film than Shawshank
You're entitled to you opinion, and this isn't personal, but that's simply absurd.

Forrest Gump was a grotesque, simpering joke of movie. All involved should have had their SAG cards revoked for five years. To compare it to something like The Shawshank Redemption, much less to find it superior...I find it simply mind boggling.

[Toshirô]

I never said Forrest Gump was better than The Shawshank Redemption, but the story of a near-retarded man who finds love is much more dramatic than a wrongfully accused man who breaks out of prison. And even when you delve deeper, Forrest Gump comes up more emotional.

The Shawshank Redemption, in my eyes, is a much better movie. But what I'm arguing is that Forrest Gump won because it was more dramatic than both Shawshank and Pulp.

[Jon Lyrik]

Where the fuck is Cimarron on that list? That movie is absolutely AWFUL.

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by Toshirô

I never said Forrest Gump was better than The Shawshank Redemption, but the story of a near-retarded man who finds love is much more dramatic than a wrongfully accused man who breaks out of prison. And even when you delve deeper, Forrest Gump comes up more emotional.

The Shawshank Redemption, in my eyes, is a much better movie. But what I'm arguing is that Forrest Gump won because it was more dramatic than both Shawshank and Pulp.

I will never, ever believe that colostomy bag of a movie was more emotional, any way you slice it. It had a lot of the kind of cheap, self congratulatory feel-good schmaltz that AMPAS voters like to substitute sometimes for emotion, but that's it.

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
Or the godawful West Side Story?

I do hope you're cracking a funny here.

West Side Story is a masterpiece of epic proportions.

Chicago should've been on the list. Gump should've been #1.

The English Patient is RIGHTFULLY absent. It's a good flick whatever way you slice it...IMO anyway.

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
I do hope you're cracking a funny here.

West Side Story is a masterpiece of epic proportions.

Chicago should've been on the list. Gump should've been #1.

The English Patient is RIGHTFULLY absent. It's a good flick whatever way you slice it...IMO anyway.

Word, word, word and word!

Lady Version goes 4 for 4 in this post :cool:

[boombche_stum]

I'm glad to see Forest Gump is on there. Man, I never liked that movie. But where are Titanic, Chariots Of Fire, Cimarron, English Patient and Chicago? All those movies should be on that list IMO.

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
I do hope you're cracking a funny here.

West Side Story is a masterpiece of epic proportions.



I will admit that I'm not a big fan of musicals though I did love Chicago, Moulin Rouge, The Wizard of Oz and The King and I (1956).

But I hated West Side Story. I honestly found it to be awful. So no. I'm not kidding.

Sorry.

And Forrest Gump shouldn't be on that list at all. One of absolute all time favorites!

So we disagree on both movies.

[Briare Rabbit]

I dislike West Side Story. Tedious is the perfect word to describe it, IMO.

I however, like the Sound of Music quite a bit. The script is at times questionable, but the two lead performances are excellent, the songs are catchy, the choreography is borderline brilliant and the cinematography is beautiful. Has won it's spot, as far as I'm concerned, and I'm surprised it's hate isn't more prominent.

[bigred760]

It just seems to me that this list was compiled by people who are pissed off their favorite movies were beat by movies that they thought were better. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I couldn't disagree more with Braveheart; which movie was going to beat it? Sense and Sensibility? Babe? I don't think so. Apollo 13 had the best shot, but I believe Braveheart was superior.

Also, the fight between Pulp Fiction, Forrest Gump, and Shawshank Redemption as to which one "deserved" to win Best Picture will go on forever with no clear cut winner - except maybe Forrest Gump because it actually won. They all deserved to win, whether people like it or not. They're all great movies. The 500 or so people who actually got to vote on the subject are the ones who matter the most, not the legions of fans that would like to see their favorite win - unfortunately.

In my opinion, the worst Best Picture winner: Titanic. I don't like the - let's make a fictional story out of a true tragic event. I'd compare that to making a fictional love story out of September 11th - that's just me.

[APzombie]

An opinion is an opinion, the academy is a group of opinions, yours is a single opinion, and mine is that they all deserved it.

Sure I would have liked to see some get the award over others, but I have yet to see an best picture oscar winning film I havent enjoyed, and there are few I havent simply loved. Call me a conformist if you want to, but I respect all the films on this list.

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by bigred760


I couldn't disagree more with Braveheart; which movie was going to beat it? Sense and Sensibility? Babe? I don't think so. Apollo 13 had the best shot, but I believe Braveheart was superior.



I don't complain about Braveheart winning because I do think it's a great movie, but I did love Apollo 13 more. Though I thought Se7en was actually the best movie of 1995 but that wasn't nominated.

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by Briare Rabbit


the songs are catchy


Ugh. I can't stand the songs in this movie. It might be because of overkill, since a long time ago I was forced to listen to it or forced to listen to someone singing it a billion freaking songs! But whatever the reason, it annoys me beyond belief every time I'm forced to listen to a song from this movie. Especially the title song and These are a few of my favorite things song. Ick!

[wheresdonnie?]

Wow, nice list. Can't believe they forgot Chicago and Titanic, but they were dead-on with A Beautiful Mind. That film was so overrated.

[Trinity]

Speaking of West Side Story, while I certainly don’t hate it, I don’t think it’s a masterpiece either. It has its share of brilliance (the choreography, some beautiful songs, Rita Moreno’s performance), but the two leads really bring it down (the fact that they don’t do their own singing, that they have zero chemistry and that Natalie Wood is ludicrously miscast). And the movie’s just too damn long - these 1960s near-three-hour musicals tend to get tedious. I’m a HUGE musical fan, but give me Busby Berkley or Lubitsch over Wise any day. Those movies may not have had the scale and certainly didn't have the mammoth running time of Wise’s BP winners, but they had more spark than ten West Side Stories put together.

[morricone]

Originally posted by Tayzlor
Okay, well I disagree.

Eh.....

I would really hope that anyone would be able to tell that Gladiator is a much better movie than Troy and I, Robot. How could you disagree?
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Okay, Rocky shouldn't have won Best Picture over Taxi Driver or Network. But, dammit it's a helluva movie and it's one of my favorites, and I'd take it over Taxi Driver or Network in a millisecond. It's a classic in my view it was worthy of at least an Best Picture nomination in my eyes.

Forrest Gump is a good movie but how it won over The Shawshank Redemption and Pulp Fiction (two highly superior films) is a mystery. It's crazy.

[Terror Australis]

I just read the list....all I can say that it is a stupid, dumb ass made by stupid, dumb ass people who can't get the fuck over that Ordinary People (5/5) beat Raging Bull (4.5/5) and Forrest Gump (5/5) beat Pulp Fiction (5/5) and The Shawshank Redemption (5/5).

That's my two cents for today.

[bigred760]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
I don't complain about Braveheart winning because I do think it's a great movie, but I did love Apollo 13 more. Though I thought Se7en was actually the best movie of 1995 but that wasn't nominated.


I liked Apollo 13 as well, just not as much as Braveheart. And I'll give you Se7en also. Have that and Braveheart on DVD, but not Apollo 13.

[Tayzlor]

Originally posted by morricone
Eh.....

I would really hope that anyone would be able to tell that Gladiator is a much better movie than Troy and I, Robot. How could you disagree?


Eh.....

I would really hope that anyone would be able to tell that Gladiator is on the same level as Troy and I, Robot in that it's a bloated summer picture that uses it's cheap emotion to make it appear that it is great and not some video game. How could you disagree?

[morricone]

Cheap emotion? Maybe...

Everything done in Troy was done many times better in Gladiator. The action-sequences, the acting (despite Phoenix's overracting, it was still good), the score, and the effects. It's just an overall better movie. I would think you would able to distinguish between the two which is the better movie. No matter how similar they may be, Gladiator is still trumps Troy (and that shitty Will Smith sci-fi flick). So how can you disagree?

[JoeChar4321]

Originally posted by Toshirô


What I'm wondering is, where's...

Titanic? Chicago? The English Patient?

Good God, I would think "Chicago" was the easy answer. It's THE most overrated film, period.

By the way, I agree that Gladiator outclasses Troy tenfold.

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by morricone
Cheap emotion? Maybe...

Everything done in Troy was done many times better in Gladiator. The action-sequences, the acting (despite Phoenix's overracting, it was still good), the score, and the effects. It's just an overall better movie. I would think you would able to distinguish between the two which is the better movie. No matter how similar they may be, Gladiator is still trumps Troy (and that shitty Will Smith sci-fi flick). So how can you disagree?

Gladiator is better since Russell Crowe is great in it and Brad Pitt was miscast. Though I do think Eric Bana was magnificant in Troy. And I thought Peter O'Toole and Brian Cox were also great. Still, Pheonix was a better villian and I loved Connie Nielsen's performance. None of the women in Troy can hold a candle stick to Nielsen's work!

But I think Kingdom of Heaven will beat both of them! :)

[Shockwave]

Ordinary People does not deserve to be on there. Because, that film is much better than Raging Bull.

Matter of opinion.:)

I think raging Bull kicks its ass, but thats just me.

[morricone]

Originally posted by ilovemovies

But I think Kingdom of Heaven will beat both of them! :)

Because of the ever-so-sexy Liam Neeson. Right? :D

[JoeCool]

I think that braveheart shouldnt have been one there at all its a really great movie

most of the others are good though

[Moviefan02000]

I totally agree with A Beautiful Mind and Forrest Gump. Good movies? Yes. Extremely overrated? Most definetely.