Stop promoting the pieces of shit and help the little guy!

[thedudeman69]

Ok, first of all, I have seen Son of Mask and The Pacifier, and for the shame of embaressment, I have neglected to tell you guys.... Seriously they were pieces of shit, hell, they made Gigli look like Citzen Kane for god's sake. They also are anal-screwing all the little guys that are trying to get a decent chunk of change, for example, Diary Of A Mad Black Woman came out of nowhere and topped the box office, and it kicked Hitch out of 1st, I was like WTF? because, like a certian movie, last year, oh say Oh, Woman Thou Art Loosed, Oprah took the film and promoted it and BAM! It gets 1st. I was pissed, because mainly then they would have to put that and the other pieces of shits that I mentioned above in more theathers, which makes it less likely to see a movie I would actually like to see, for example Constantine! That movie is going out of theathers so fast. Also, quit endlessly promoting the movies as next best movie, or best comedy of the year. I also am going to be angry if Robots takes away precious money from others, and that is what the movies are all about these days. Remakes, money, slut actresses(that I would bang in a sec,:D), and no talent hacks(I am talking to you, Uwe Boll!).

so in closing, Hollywood basically sucks unless a good movie is released. So, my fellow schomoes, lock yourselfs in your house, break out the Fargos, Pulp Fictions, and Taxi Drivers, and Take out a tissue and have a good cry about the state of movies today. By the way, mark your calenders for Sin City, the only good movie that will come out til the summer happens.

[C-Desecration-]

By the way, mark your calenders for Sin City, the only good movie that will come out til the summer happens.


Isn't that being promoted to all get-out?

[Moviefan02000]

Sin City BETTER do good at the box office, but I have my doubts :( There won't be much advertising for it, I saw the trailer in front of Cursed, not like that will help it out though.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by C-Desecration-
Isn't that being promoted to all get-out?

I am saying that it is getting less promotion than pieces of crap. I feel like the only person promoting it heavily is Joblo.

[The Heart Collector]

Many kids I know that don't exactly have a strong taste for movies have heard of Sin City and really want to see it, so don't worry too much.

[someguy]

:rolleyes:

It's called general opinion. Yes, it is stupid. Hollywood has become very greedy as of late and only care in money than art. At the Oscars, 4 out of the 5 films nominated for best picture were not funded by a studio. It's just odd to see that a biography picture on one of the most influential and groundbreaking music artists is turned over for Vin Diesel gagging at changing a baby's diaper.

It's no wonder why people prefer independent cinema, but of course you're called a pretentious fag because of that

[Grim H.]

What someguy said:

The New Hollywood!!!
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[Damone]

Originally posted by someguy
It's no wonder why people prefer independent cinema, but of course you're called a pretentious fag because of that

I don't think people are called pretenious fags just because they prefer independent cinema.

I think people are called pretenious fags when they see a trailer for a movie that they think looks terrible, bitches about how bad the movie looks, then spends the time and/or money to watch it just so they can complain about how their life has been forever altered because they spent their valuable time sitting through that steaming pile of horse/cow/rat shit/crap/dung or whatever phrase their thesaurus can produce.

Some people just don't realize that not every movie was made with THEM in mind. Movies are generally geared to a target audience and if you're not part of that audience then there is a good chance you're not going to like it. If you think a movie looks bad there is no rule that says you have to watch it.

If the amount of crap being produced bothers you, bitching about how bad the movie was isn't going to change it. The only way to do that is to not spend the money to go to the theatre or to rent it.

[B1rd_Po0p]

Originally posted by Damone
I don't think people are called pretenious fags just because they prefer independent cinema.

I think people are called pretenious fags when they see a trailer for a movie that they think looks terrible, bitches about how bad the movie looks, then spends the time and/or money to watch it just so they can complain about how their life has been forever altered because they spent their valuable time sitting through that steaming pile of horse/cow/rat shit/crap/dung or whatever phrase their thesaurus can produce.

Some people just don't realize that not every movie was made with THEM in mind. Movies are generally geared to a target audience and if you're not part of that audience then there is a good chance you're not going to like it. If you think a movie looks bad there is no rule that says you have to watch it.

If the amount of crap being produced bothers you, bitching about how bad the movie was isn't going to change it. The only way to do that is to not spend the money to go to the theatre or to rent it.

Amen Brother-man... *hands Dudeman a hanky so he has something to cry in..* ;)

[jeo4]

I agree with most of what you've said, Damone. However, I think that some films should never have been made. SON OF THE MASK and DUMB AND DUMBERER are two prime examples of what I mean here. They were made for the sole purpose of hauling in revenue by banking off the Jim Carrey star vehicles of the 90's. That's my opinion, anyway. It really comes off as an insult to people's intelligence when films are slapped together in hopes of herding in comedy lovers for cash. I'm not going to burn anyone who sees these films and dislikes them; in fact, I think most people are usually smart enough to steer clear of them or they go see a film because they are fans of the genre and want a fix.

It really seems that studios aren't that considerate of their audience when they don't take the time to create more intelligent/original material. Not that indie or low budget films are all that good to begin with. (THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT was a horrible film, for example.) But studios crank out the same thing many times over until an idea has been drained completely. Beating a concept to death is what ruins it. Supporting something new takes more ambition and creativity. I applaud filmmakers that experiment and move beyond conventional formula movies.

[Damone]

Originally posted by jeo4

But studios crank out the same thing many times over until an idea has been drained completely. Beating a concept to death is what ruins it.

Couldn't agree more.

Part of the problem there also lie with the people who keep shelling out money for the same old tired premise. As long as people are willing to plunk down the money you better believe the studios have no problem cranking them out.

[B1rd_Po0p]

My nieces LOVED Dumb and Dumber... I however, felt Dumber for the small bit of it that I saw before walking out of the theatre...

Damone is right - as long as the sheep keep shelling out the bucks for cookie-cutter films then they will continue to be made. I figure as long as there are a few movies that I'll enjoy then I'm okay...

[someguy]

Originally posted by Damone
I don't think people are called pretenious fags just because they prefer independent cinema.

I think people are called pretenious fags when they see a trailer for a movie that they think looks terrible, bitches about how bad the movie looks, then spends the time and/or money to watch it just so they can complain about how their life has been forever altered because they spent their valuable time sitting through that steaming pile of horse/cow/rat shit/crap/dung or whatever phrase their thesaurus can produce.

Some people just don't realize that not every movie was made with THEM in mind. Movies are generally geared to a target audience and if you're not part of that audience then there is a good chance you're not going to like it. If you think a movie looks bad there is no rule that says you have to watch it.

If the amount of crap being produced bothers you, bitching about how bad the movie was isn't going to change it. The only way to do that is to not spend the money to go to the theatre or to rent it.

I agree and disagree with this post

While that desctiption describes being pretentious, it also means if you brush off "mainstream" cinema because it is mainstream. It only applies to the people who ONLY watch films not known to the public. The public's belief is that if you hold ANY interest in a film that wasn't released in over 1000 screens, nobody knows about, is in a language other than English or can't be rented at a video store near you then you are pretentious, and therefore people make fun of you for it.

I've been called a fag many times because of it, doesn't bother me. They can go see The Pacifier, I know that in time they'll realize. Plus they like the movies I show them anyways.

[Damone]

Originally posted by someguy
I agree and disagree with this post

While that desctiption describes being pretentious, it also means if you brush off "mainstream" cinema because it is mainstream. It only applies to the people who ONLY watch films not known to the public. The public's belief is that if you hold ANY interest in a film that wasn't released in over 1000 screens, nobody knows about, is in a language other than English or can't be rented at a video store near you then you are pretentious, and therefore people make fun of you for it.

I've been called a fag many times because of it, doesn't bother me. They can go see The Pacifier, I know that in time they'll realize. Plus they like the movies I show them anyways.

I don't mind if someone wants to brush off mainstream cinema just because it's mainstream. What I do mind is when they want to start preaching to me about how they have the superior movie tastes and how anyone who could possibly be entertained by Hollywood's mass produced nonsense are far beneath them on the evolutionary ladder.

[B1rd_Po0p]

Originally posted by someguy
They can go see The Pacifier, I know that in time they'll realize.

:eek:

Realize what?? That The Pacifier was good clean fun, and that they left the theatre with happy kids and some left-over popcorn? Or that dang - they should've seen some dark broody indy film that some angst-ridden college kid put out? Something for everyone babe; nothing in this world is one-size-fits-all: I don't care what anybody says. There is not ONE thing on this planet that EVERYONE agrees on. Not One.

[tattooedlen]

Originally posted by B1rd_Po0p
:eek:

Realize what?? That The Pacifier was good clean fun, and that they left the theatre with happy kids and some left-over popcorn? Or that dang - they should've seen some dark broody indy film that some angst-ridden college kid put out? Something for everyone babe; nothing in this world is one-size-fits-all: I don't care what anybody says. There is not ONE thing on this planet that EVERYONE agrees on. Not One.



Amen B1rd Po0p, I second that notion.

[B1rd_Po0p]

Originally posted by tattooedlen
Amen B1rd Po0p, I second that notion.

HEYYYY BABY!!! *runs and tackles tattooedlen*

WELCOME TO THE BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[someguy]

Originally posted by B1rd_Po0p
:eek:

Realize what?? That The Pacifier was good clean fun, and that they left the theatre with happy kids and some left-over popcorn? Or that dang - they should've seen some dark broody indy film that some angst-ridden college kid put out? Something for everyone babe; nothing in this world is one-size-fits-all: I don't care what anybody says. There is not ONE thing on this planet that EVERYONE agrees on. Not One.

......

Did you READ my post?

You mustn't have, it's insulting how you generalized me. I was talking about "mainstream" cinema honey, not if a movie is good or bad about that. They will go see the movies that are very easy to see. When they are offered to see something like say, Oldboy, they shrug it off and say it looks like shit because it is foreign. What I was saying in my post was that they can go and see only the big movies with the large stars and releases now, but in time they will realize that the "smaller" films may actually be decent and they shouldn't dismiss them because of their availability to the general public. Yeah, they love The Pacifier, but they don't realize the smaller comedies out there that they might love. It's too bad they just brush it off though because it is independent. Basically I was saying that they can enjoy their big movies now and say fuck off to the little ones, but in time they'll realize "Hey, maybe these aren't so bad after all"

Next time, READ my posts please.

[ComeNightfall]

You can never predict what movies will make money and which ones will tank. The Pacifier? Yeah it looks stupid but it probably was #1 because parents were looking to take their kids to a movie that didn't have graphic sex and violence. Hollywood is overlooking the entire family when it comes to live action films.

Hitch? A non-threatening romantic comedy starring popular Will Smith and Kevin James that looked like it had something for guys and gals. It's rare that you get romantic comedies that appeal to people of all walks of life. No, it's not highbrow independent art, but it was just in time for Valentine's Day, when people probably aren't in the mood to watch something like Oldboy.

In a perfect world, independent, foriegn, and non-mainstream movies would be heavily promoted along with movies like The Pacifier, Hitch, and the latest teen-friendly horror movie. But most of Hollywood is concerned about what will put butts in the seats, and the first three are highly unlikely to do it. So until then, we'll keep seeing "crap" being churned out. All we can do is just not buy the tickets.

[B1rd_Po0p]

Actually sweetie, not all people shrug off movies like Oldboy because they're foreign. Maybe it's not their cup of tea: me included. It's not always due to the fact that it's a smaller film offered in limited venues. YOU shouldn't generalize the population by saying 'they' without taking into consideration that some people just don't like crappy independent films! I hate reading subtitles. So I might miss a film YOU consider to be amazing: because I don't want to be miserable throughout the entire film. If I wanted to READ I'd pick up a book. Or maybe some people don't GET the style or mood that a director is trying to convey because it's a completely foreign concept from what they are used to. It's frustrating to some people to watch a movie they just don't understand. Like I said in MY post - something for everyone.

quote:
"they don't realize the smaller comedies out there that they might love. It's too bad they just brush it off though because it is independent. Basically I was saying that they can enjoy their big movies now and say fuck off to the little ones, but in time they'll realize "Hey, maybe these aren't so bad after all"

Then again, "they" might not.

[someguy]

Originally posted by B1rd_Po0p
Actually sweetie, not all people shrug off movies like Oldboy because they're foreign. Maybe it's not their cup of tea: me included. It's not always due to the fact that it's a smaller film offered in limited venues. YOU shouldn't generalize the population by saying 'they' without taking into consideration that some people just don't like crappy independent films! I hate reading subtitles. So I might miss a film YOU consider to be amazing: because I don't want to be miserable throughout the entire film. If I wanted to READ I'd pick up a book. Or maybe some people don't GET the style or mood that a director is trying to convey because it's a completely foreign concept from what they are used to. It's frustrating to some people to watch a movie they just don't understand. Like I said in MY post - something for everyone.

Oh aren't you clever....capitalizing "you" to make me look self centered.
There are a shitload of smaller films out there, but people don't give it a chance because it doesn't have anyone familiar in it. You may think this is not true or doesn't happen with everyone but it does happen with most people. For example, I wanted my friend to watch Session 9. She said she didn't want to watch it because nobody famous was in it. Now it's one of her favourite movies of all time. I'm just saying that people should give them a chance and not dismiss it because Vin Diesel or Robin Williams doesn't star in it. I thought Hitch looked like a giant piece of shit but I gave it a chance and actually enjoyed it a lot(which throws Damone's "saying a movie looks like shit then paying for it" argument out the window there sort of). I know it is something for everyone, but I was saying to just give the fucking movies a chance and not say "oh my GOD who are these people this movie must suck."


Then again, "they" might not.

Once again, they might not but they shouldn't say screw it to the movie just because it isn't popular. When I say "take a chance" I mean that if the movie intrigues you somewhat and you don't want to watch it because of the reasons I listed above, why not? The movie does interest you. If your friends recommend it, watch it with them. I'm not saying that you have to go out and see every independent movie, but that if there's an opportunity, why not take it?

Oh yeah....

some people just don't like crappy independent films!

Nice generalization there, sweetie.

[Zebra 3]

Originally posted by Damone
If the amount of crap being produced bothers you, bitching about how bad the movie was isn't going to change it. The only way to do that is to not spend the money to go to the theatre or to rent it. So true and it seems hardly ever mentioned in the endless bitching and moaning movie related threads for some reason(s).

[B1rd_Po0p]

Wow Someguy. You sure put me in my place. Maybe now I'll conform to your idea of the perfect movie-goer and go see all of the wonderful independent films I was too close-minded to give a chance. Thank you so much for the enlightenment. Now if you'll excuse me, I feel the urge to go join a cult.

[Damone]

Originally posted by someguy
I thought Hitch looked like a giant piece of shit but I gave it a chance and actually enjoyed it a lot(which throws Damone's "saying a movie looks like shit then paying for it" argument out the window there sort of).

No the argument, and yes I saw the 'sort of' statement, had to do with people who bitch about how a movie looks and then pay to see it all with the intention of bitching about how bad it was when it's over. These people don't go in with an open mind but have decided before hand they didn't like it and nothing was going to change their minds.

Obviously you went in with an open mind and gave it a chance so you're not part of that group.

And I totally agree with you about people who refuse to see a movie unless it has someone they know it. I know several people like that. Those people can be just as bad as the indie preachers.

[someguy]

Originally posted by B1rd_Po0p
Wow Someguy. You sure put me in my place. Maybe now I'll conform to your idea of the perfect movie-goer and go see all of the wonderful independent films I was too close-minded to give a chance. Thank you so much for the enlightenment. Now if you'll excuse me, I feel the urge to go join a cult.

Well thank you about saying I am cult-like first off

Secondly, you are still taking my message wrong. It's just a matter of opinion. You like films with eye candy, as you have said before. That would explain why you don't prefer to watch those films because some of them tend to not have the budget to have all of that stuff. You strictly enjoy entertaining films(although I'm sure you prefer a good drama or something every now and then too). Generally, people can go for most kinds of movies and don't need aliens to make it watchable. I'm saying that people prefer dramas, comedies, action, horror, etc. and should give the independent films a chance too rather than just go for the ones that look glossier or sport a bigger budget.

[someguy]

Originally posted by Damone
No the argument, and yes I saw the 'sort of' statement, had to do with people who bitch about how a movie looks and then pay to see it all with the intention of bitching about how bad it was when it's over. These people don't go in with an open mind but have decided before hand they didn't like it and nothing was going to change their minds.

Obviously you went in with an open mind and gave it a chance so you're not part of that group.

And I totally agree with you about people who refuse to see a movie unless it has someone they know it. I know several people like that. Those people can be just as bad as the indie preachers.

Now that's understandable. If they go see it with the only intention of hating it, then yeah I can see that. I don't go in with hating or loving it, I go in with general expectations, be it low or high.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by B1rd_Po0p
Wow Someguy. You sure put me in my place. Maybe now I'll conform to your idea of the perfect movie-goer and go see all of the wonderful independent films I was too close-minded to give a chance. Thank you so much for the enlightenment. Now if you'll excuse me, I feel the urge to go join a cult.

If you have seen as many weird movies as me, you would understand what Old Boy is all bout. :D Beside, I think someguy isn't forcing you to have a opinon about Independents. He is just saying that you should take them into consideration and maybe see if you don't like them or do like them. Please be calm and stuff, we don't want the mods to close down a thread just because someguy called us all faggots. :D