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Watur2Phunk

03-27-2005, 03:18 AM

I posted this at another forum:

SIN CITY! (Y)

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Release Date: April 1st, 2005 (wide)

MPAA Rating: R rating for excessive graphic violence and nudity.

Coloring Note: Yes, It's mostly in black and white, get the fuck over it.

Distributor: Dimension Films

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Cast: Jessica Alba, Rosario Dawson, Elijah Wood, Bruce Willis, Benicio Del Toro, Michael Clarke Duncan, Carla Gugino, Josh Hartnett, Michael Madsen, Jaime King, Brittany Murphy, Clive Owen, Mickey Rourke, and Nick Stahl.

Directors: Robert Rodriguez and Frank Millir. Quentin Tarantino directs a scene, big whoop (seriously, it looks like a marketing ploy).

Cool Directors Note: Robert Rodriguez made a bold decision to quit the Directors Guild so that 'Sin City' creator Frank Miller could be credited for his comprehensive contributions to the project.

Genre: Action, Crime.

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Plot:

Story 1: SIN CITY

Psychopathic hard man, Marvin, is drawn into a deadly game of cat and mouse with the murderer of his lover, Goldie, and the police. As he teams up with Goldie's twin sister and friends, he finds himself taking on the corrupt authorities and the influential man behind it all - Cardinal Rock.

Story 2: Sin City: That Yellow Bastard

This fourth collection of urban pulp fiction from writer/artist, Frank Miller's multi-award-winning Sin City saga introduces an all-new cast, while skilfully interweaving the story with what has gone before. Meet Lieutenant John Hartigan, one hour left on the force and one case left to close. There are no mysteries anymore for Hartigan - except for 'Junior'; a sick, spoilt brat with a powerful senator for a father, a kidnapped eleven-year-old girl in his grasp, and a taste for rape and murder. His last day on the force, his last case. He's going out with bang. This 'mature readers' collection features extreme violence, nudity and swearing.

Story 3: Sin City: The Big Fat Kill

Dwight McCarthy gets tangled up with the prostitutes of Old Town in the murder of a violent trouble-maker, Jack Rafferty, and his gang. It turns out that Jacky-Boy is in fact a policeman. Without an alliance with the police, Old Town will be overrun by the mob, so Dwight must get rid of the body. Iit has a bit of A Dame To Kill For in it which is the bit with Josh Hartnett and thats aparently only just the opening.

TRAILER: CLICK HERE... NOW (http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/sin_city/)

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That should be enough info for you to get you majorly excited.

Only 5 days left, hence today's avatar. I seriously can not wait, I haven't read all the comics, well I only read liek 10 pages of one and stopped reading because I didn't want to spoil the movie. It's being compared to Pulp Fiction, and it looks genius. I can't wait till friday, serioualy I can't, it's gonna be this year's Kill Bill (for me, at least, I know not many of you are as fond of it as I)

Suvlaco

03-27-2005, 05:36 AM

We don't get SIN CITY until the 26TH OF MAY! That really sucks...

Moviefan02000

03-27-2005, 10:04 AM

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Moviefan02000

03-27-2005, 10:06 AM

Rated R for sustained strong stylized violence, nudity and sexual content including dialogue.

SIN CITY is easily one of my most anticipated movies of the year, if it isn't the most. The cast is amazing, the trailers and TV spots are great, and there is amazing buzz and reviews around it. I'm 90% sure this movie won't disappoint, and if it does ... well I'll be quite angry :p I'll be at my theater Friday night seeing this with my friend, I honestly can't wait. Hopefully it'll be my number one of the year, at the moment, HIGH TENSION is.

MadsenOMC

03-27-2005, 04:39 PM

I'm going to be on vacation in Vancouver when Sin City opens, but I plan on seeing it as soon as I possibly can. I am excited to see it because of the spectacular cast and the cool trailer. Rodriguez is an immsensely likable guy. He was on Sunday Morning Shootout today, and I was really impressed. He is articulate, intelligent, passionate, humble and gracious. You can't help but admire the man and root for him. However, I think his films are hit and miss. Other than Depp, I didn't much care for Once Upon a Time in Mexico, and I so as much as I'm looking forward to seeing this, I'm trying not to get too excited. Don't want to unrealistically high expectations.

DaMovieMan

03-27-2005, 06:33 PM

Yeah I'm catching this movie on Friday, when it opens. So soon yet so far away.

DMM

someguy

03-27-2005, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I'm going to be on vacation in Vancouver when Sin City opens, but I plan on seeing it as soon as I possibly can. I am excited to see it because of the spectacular cast and the cool trailer. Rodriguez is an immsensely likable guy. He was on Sunday Morning Shootout today, and I was really impressed. He is articulate, intelligent, passionate, humble and gracious. You can't help but admire the man and root for him. However, I think his films are hit and miss. Other than Depp, I didn't much care for Once Upon a Time in Mexico, and I so as much as I'm looking forward to seeing this, I'm trying not to get too excited. Don't want to unrealistically high expectations.

Vancouver eh?

Lucky....:)

kdawg

03-27-2005, 10:21 PM

I'll admit the first time I saw the trailer for this, I wasn't that impressed but the more I saw and heard things about this movie, the more I began to grow intrest. Now everytime I see the trailer or a tv ad about SIn City I get so pumped. This movie is going to rock so hard. I'm looking for a 10/10 and thats a rating I hardly ever give out. IS IT APRIL 1st YET?

Watur2Phunk

03-28-2005, 09:29 AM

4 MORE DAYS!

silentasylum

03-28-2005, 01:36 PM

I'm eagerly awaiting this, just like the rest of us.....

NightStalkerGtx

03-28-2005, 06:08 PM

cant wait to see this! seeing it on sat cant fucking wait!!!!! woohoo!!!!!!! im so fucking hyped!!!!!!! i might give this movie a 10/10 i only gave 2 movies 10/10 in my whole life pulp fiction and collateral.

MisterTwister

03-28-2005, 06:33 PM

Me and a bunch of friends are checking this out for sure this weekend.

Strider

03-29-2005, 05:44 AM

I'm dying in anticipation to see Sin City for myself. It's one of my most anticipated films of the entire year. The story sounds great, the ensemble cast is beyond incredible, the trailers drip with coolness, and I'm a Robert Rodriguez fan. I hope Sin City is the first great film of 2005.

Strider

FilmBuff84

03-29-2005, 08:41 AM

Like many others, i'm so pumped for this movie, but yeah it'll be May 26th till I see this. Jo's 9/10 review has only confirmed that this movie isn't just all hype and actually pays off.

I'm not a big Elijah Wood fan, but i'm interested in seeing him in this, and any role that can make me forget about his Frodo gig gets the goods from me, and Devon Aoki sounds like she is gonna kick some major ass which I am all ready for.

I'm looking forward to hearing all the reviews and thoughts from the schmoes this coming weekend.

TeawithBlood

03-29-2005, 10:16 AM

Only three more agonizing days only Sin City is released. I'm trying to find advanced listings for my area so I get order my tikects early, but I can't find it :( I have a feeling that ticket will be sold out with all the hype thats going on.

NightStalkerGtx

03-29-2005, 12:04 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^at the theater i go to its going to be packed for beauty shop (happpy i spelt it right) prob sold out, but only 10 people will eb watching Sin City when i went to go see spiderman 2 last summer there was only about 15 people watching it, but it was sold out for white chicks.

Weapon X

03-29-2005, 05:18 PM

My best friend and I are coupling Sin City with Wrestlemania 21 this Sunday. I'm gonna make sure to get advance tickets...even on a Sunday afternoon, you never know how busy a theater's gonna be when the buzz is this positive.

TeawithBlood

03-30-2005, 12:17 AM

Ok I watch Dave Letterman because Brittany Murphy would be on. Is she a true blue blonde or was she drunk? She could not keep her mouth shut. What made it worse was that she couldn't even talk about the god damn movie while she was rambling. I got to see a nice little clip though so it was all that bad, but GOD is he annoying.

ilovemovies

03-30-2005, 12:27 AM

She wasn't drunk. That's just her personality I guess. I personally like her.

dellamorte dellamore

03-30-2005, 08:25 AM

This is probably sacrilege at this point , but other than the trippy visuals , the narrative seems pretty standard . A bunch of corrupt denizens of a make believe Las Vegas type city brutalize each other and find redemption or experience some frontier justice in the end . It simply doesn't excite me . Too many " big " names in the mix , maybe not enough focus . It looks somewhat silly to me , but i guess if you like the comic book stuff , and hot young babes with homicidal tendencies , this will be a lovefest for you .

To me , it's a curious rental , but if there was another film that got my butt to the theaters and this was also playing , i would " sneak " in after i saw the one i really wanted . Somehow , the whole thing seems sort of bland and emotionless , and i can see some over the top posing already . On that note they really do seem to have captured the essence of a comic book .

I don't know how this will play at the box office , i'm sure it will do well , but it could simply be a cult , niche market hit . I don't see 100 mil plus , but i've been wrong so many times before , so who knows .

EvilEd

03-30-2005, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
This is probably sacrilege at this point , but other than the trippy visuals , the narrative seems pretty standard . A bunch of corrupt denizens of a make believe Las Vegas type city brutalize each other and find redemption or experience some frontier justice in the end . It simply doesn't excite me . Too many " big " names in the mix , maybe not enough focus . It looks somewhat silly to me , but i guess if you like the comic book stuff , and hot young babes with homicidal tendencies , this will be a lovefest for you .

To me , it's a curious rental , but if there was another film that got my butt to the theaters and this was also playing , i would " sneak " in after i saw the one i really wanted . Somehow , the whole thing seems sort of bland and emotionless , and i can see some over the top posing already . On that note they really do seem to have captured the essence of a comic book .

I don't know how this will play at the box office , i'm sure it will do well , but it could simply be a cult , niche market hit . I don't see 100 mil plus , but i've been wrong so many times before , so who knows .

I agree with the majority of this. My main gripe goin into this is the footage I've seen thus far looks to cartoony, that sort of stuff works in a comic, but not really on screen.

Katsumoto

03-30-2005, 01:17 PM

I get to see it today, sneak pass.... oh man i can't wait

bob

03-30-2005, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
This is probably sacrilege at this point , but other than the trippy visuals , the narrative seems pretty standard . A bunch of corrupt denizens of a make believe Las Vegas type city brutalize each other and find redemption or experience some frontier justice in the end . It simply doesn't excite me . Too many " big " names in the mix , maybe not enough focus . It looks somewhat silly to me , but i guess if you like the comic book stuff , and hot young babes with homicidal tendencies , this will be a lovefest for you .

I don't know how this will play at the box office , i'm sure it will do well , but it could simply be a cult , niche market hit . I don't see 100 mil plus , but i've been wrong so many times before , so who knows .

I'll agree with your two main points: The narrative(s) are pretty much standard, and this film will NOT see 100 mil. But this film is most likely going to be the ultimate case of style over substance, so I'm not gonna let the straightforwardness of the plot hold me back.

Katsumoto

03-31-2005, 12:03 AM

i saw it!!!
unbelievable. unforgettable. brilliant. disturbing. exciting. jizz. in. pants.
10/10

daddiefatsacks

03-31-2005, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by Katsumoto
i saw it!!!
unbelievable. unforgettable. brilliant. disturbing. exciting. jizz. in. pants.
10/10

coming from someone who liked the sandlot, i am glad to hear this as the sandlot is one of my fave moves of all time too

friday night at 11pm can't come any longer fuck

outsyder

03-31-2005, 01:16 AM

Two days.

This feels like Christmas.:D

Moviefan02000

03-31-2005, 08:45 AM

TOMORROW!!! OMG!! I CAN'T WAIT!!! YAY!!!! I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dellamorte dellamore

03-31-2005, 09:21 AM

I'm still not feeling it , and the more clips i see , the less impressive it looks , not even the visuals are doing anything for me anymore . Maybe it will surprise me , but the buzz level for me is dying .

NightStalkerGtx

03-31-2005, 10:10 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^maybe this just isn't ur type of movies oh well, everyone has there opinions.

This looks amazing in my opinion and im checking it out on sat 2:10 in the after noon where i go its always packed day in night considering the theater is outside next to the mall exactly like 20 feet from the mall.
When i went to go see cursed at a 2 o clock show it was jam packed and at night it gets even more jamed i went to go see scary movie 3 at night there (saw a couple others there at night to) there was only like 2 seats left. So there no doudt it will be packed for this at 2.

daddiefatsacks wouldnt u perfer not to see it that late considering the fact that u might be tired?

Oh and for anyone that wants to no something about bruce willes charector

SPOILERS

On starz on the set those bastards showed clips and then really quickly they showed a 1 sec thing of bruce willes getting shot 2 times im 90% sure it was him.

End of Spoilers.

daddiefatsacks

03-31-2005, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by NightStalkerGtx
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daddiefatsacks wouldnt u perfer not to see it that late considering the fact that u might be tired?

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technnically bud that's the only time i can see it, i work that night but plan to get off at 10, and bust a move to the cineplex, i work saturday in the afternoon all the way til 11 at night, and same thing sunday

some of my friends have gone "but mr fatsacks, why dont u see it monday?"

some people don't understand, when you're a movie buff, you gotta see it ASAP

moviegroupie

03-31-2005, 12:14 PM

it'd be tres tasteful if Rodriguez accentuated Murphy's hoo ha's by colouring solely them

sorry joblo people, but i beat you in making the thread

seems like somebody propered my thread though (edsoulsurvive maybe; too lazy to look at page 1)

NightStalkerGtx

03-31-2005, 12:19 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ i see.
I agree when ur a movie buff u must see movies asap.

I said that cuz one time i saw hostage at an 11 30 show and it was a good movie (7.5/10) i had a good time, but i was some what tired and i think i couldve enjoyed it more if i saw it during the day.

But a Movie buff gotta do their job!

ChemicalRomance

03-31-2005, 01:00 PM

EBERT GIVES "SIN CITY" 4 STARS!
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps...EVIEWS/50322001

Oh. my. god.

Lazy Boy

03-31-2005, 01:14 PM

Well, he did give SKY CAPTAIN the same rating, and I thought that was an entertaining, but forgettable and hollow, stunt. I hope SIN CITY has more to it than green screen backgrounds.

Jumpman8323

03-31-2005, 01:54 PM

I will be seeing a Midnight screening of this movie. Yes, 13 hours to go!!

EvilEd

03-31-2005, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Lazy Boy
Well, he did give SKY CAPTAIN the same rating, and I thought that was an entertaining, but forgettable and hollow, stunt. I hope SIN CITY has more to it than green screen backgrounds.

Completely agree! But it looks from all the reviews I've read that that seems to be a bit of a constant complaint, which does not bode well for me. When I'm watching a movie I need to at least be able to feel something for me to like the movie. Now I suspect I'll enjoy the Marv segment because I love that comic and Rourke seems to nail that, but the rest is shakey at this point.

moviegroupie

03-31-2005, 07:05 PM

peter travers , my #1 favourite reviewer , gave it *** 1/2

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SEXY SEXY SEXY SEXY SEXY SEXY

outsyder

03-31-2005, 10:23 PM

DUDE!!

CUSTOM WALLPAPERS AT SINCITYTHEMOVIE.COM

And the options really kick total ass, as you control everything. Really good shit.

bb86

03-31-2005, 10:43 PM

I can't belive the trailer did not interest you! First I saw the poster of something I have never heard of that interested me (Jessica Alba) and then I saw the amazing trailer. It remains on e of my favs to watch.

Mystique963

04-01-2005, 03:31 AM

I'm currentl sitting here in a drunken stuper because I had two tickets to a early showing of it on Thurs. @ 7:00 and I couldn't make it. DAMN IT!!!

Other than that, I've been on a Dark Angel marathon for the past 3 days it seems like (seasons 1 & 2) to prepare myself for Jessica Alba's performance and can I please just be the first to stand in awe of her and her amazingingness (not a word, take it up with the tequela). TOMORROW BABY!!! Dear God, I can't wait. This movie is going to ROCK THE HOUSE!!!! So excited!!!

BTW, if any of you Schmos are going to be seeing a showing in the Denver area this weekend, please post and I might be able to join so I have someone to go with who is just as excited as I am to see this.

Much love to all! You all kick ass! :)

Arc

04-01-2005, 03:47 AM

Saw it.

On the JoBlo scale, I give it 8/10. It really is true to the comic in everyway, except for a neat little movie-only end episode.

The Bad? Owen's narration is mixed too softly, and is hard to make out. Michael Madsen is TERRIBLE in his first scene (yet perfectly fine in his last scene, odd). The girl playing young Nancy was just as bad, leading me to wonder where Robert's skills with child actors went. The soundtrack is classic movie noir, which fits classic movie noir, but Sin City isn't classic movie noir. It's violent, crude, and more demanding, which leads to a mismatched musical score.

The Good? Everything. Else. Even Britney Murphy (who has been trashed on this site) was fine. Once the narration gets rolling with Marv, you can't help but be sucked into the world of Sin City. Escape is impossible. The violence is perfect, the effects are 90% perfect (Wendy's Hit 'N Run didn't work out on film), and the dialogue has a real beat to it once the movie shifts into gear.

I wish I wish I wish they had rolled some fake credits during the blackout scene in That Yellow Bastard, like the comicbook did. That would have been choice. Nicky Katt gets the biggest laugh from the crowd.

The audience enjoyed themselves, but it was clear they weren't ready... For any of it. Weren't ready for 3D characters, weren't ready for the dialogue, weren't ready for adult content from a movie titled fuckin' SIN CITY. But they enjoyed themselves, and maybe if they wise up and stop asking for so many unoriginal invincible X saves the day flicks, then we might have a new digital & adult market on our hands. Maybe Maybe Maybe.

Strider

04-01-2005, 06:57 AM

I went to Borders the other night, and purchased the first volume of the Sin City series, The Hard Goodbye. I just finished reading the book right now. Awesome stuff. Very dark and violent it is. Marv's one kick-ass character as well. It'll be interesting to see Mickey Rourke perform as the character, and for that matter, how this story will look on the silver screen. I do plan to read the other volumes soon, but it won't be until after I see the film. I'm just glad I won't be seeing Sin City not knowing what the hell some of it's all about.

Strider

ChemicalRomance

04-01-2005, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by outsyder
DUDE!!

CUSTOM WALLPAPERS AT SINCITYTHEMOVIE.COM

And the options really kick total ass, as you control everything. Really good shit.

Holy shit. Best option on a movie website ever hahah. You really can control everything and when you add rain the background looks fucking awesome. Jessica Alba and Brittany Murphy on my background looking hot and covered by some green-screened rain? Mmmmm. My favorite.

spacemonkey

04-01-2005, 02:07 PM

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Title: Frank Millers Sin City (2005)

Directors: Robert Rodriguez, Frank Miller and Quentin Tarantino

Cast: Mickey Rourke, Bruce Willis, Owen Wilson, Jamie King, Jessica Alba, Rosario Dawson, Elijah Wood, Nick Stahl, Ving Rhimes, Rutger Hauer, Michael Madsen.

Review:

When Robert Rodriguez showed up on the movie scene with his low budget fast paced El Mariachi waay back in 1993 , everyone had to turn their heads and say “who is this crazy kid?”. The he blew everyone away so to speak with his sophomore effort Desperado and his subsequent action packed vampire fest From Dusk Till Dawn. After that he made a few kiddie films (the Spy Kids series) and a down right horrible sequel to Desperado which I wont even mention. I sort of lost a bit of faith in Rodriguez and thought he was going on a downward spiral of bad movies. But low and behold, Rodriguez is back! Sin City is a masterpiece to be reckoned with…all of Rodriguez’s past sins have been forgiven and forgotten, his adaptation of Millers graphic novel is visually astounding and just plain fun movie!

The movie develops three of Millers graphic novels. The first one called “That Yellow Bastard” is about an ex-cop who is hunting down a child rapist. The second one “The Big Fat Kill” is about a bunch of prostitues who accidentally kill a cop and the battle that ensues, and “The Hard Goodbye” which is sort of a short wrap around story dealing with a serial killer. All the stories deal with the darkest, dirties, raunchiest type of people on the planet and the city that they inhabit, the fictional “Sin City”.

Millers graphic novels have always been filled with lots of violence and beautiful art and this film is the cinematic equivalent of his novels. I literally felt like Millers novels had jumped out of the page and come to life! Most of the images in the film are exact replicas of Millers drawings. Frank Millers art is filled with lots of black and whites and no greys…and this film has managed to duplicate that look in certain areas which gives the film its unique look. So from a visual standpoint be ready to see something that you have never seen before. The use of CGI here to create the city is exceptional and adds to the style of the film. This movie is over abundant in style…and a movie like that can sometimes go the way of the dodo when it comes to story or writing. Not so here. The script adheres so closely to Millers excellent writing that you don’t have to worry about this movie being “Style over substance” because that is not the case here. The characters are very fleshed out and very comicbook like in their attitude and expressions and the situations in which these characters get themselves into could only have been concocted by the sadisctic and violent imagination of Frank Miller. Robert Rodriguez who is accostumed to directing stylish and violent movies was the most suitable person to adapt Millers work, this was a match made in heaven so to speak. This is film noir the way its meant to be...dark, dirty and sinfully fun.

The scumbags that inhabit Sin City are brought to life by a stellar cast! Mickey Rourke as Marv is amazing. Much like Ron Perlman was born to play Hellboy, so was Rourke born to play Marv, the man on a quest for revenge…killing his way to the truth. By far Mickey Rourkes story is the most fast paced of all three and the most violent and entertaining. His dialogue had me cracking up every five minutes, a tough guy to the very end. I was very impressed as well with Elijah Woods character! He didn’t speak a word yet he emanated pure unadulterated evil. I also loved Benicio del Toro as Jackie Boy a cop who likes to hit his girl. Man he is supposed to be a cop, but the guy had one demented look on his face! And Nick Stahl as the “Yellow Bastard” was awesome as well, truly repulsive in nature and look. I enjoyed very much Bruce Willis’s performance as Hartigan as well. His chemistry with Jessica Alba’s character was great and their story felt very genuine. Needles to say, every performance on this one was excellent...you could tell this guys where having fun when they made this movie.

As for the green screen/CGi aspect of it, I didnt find it at all distracting. I believe it was all perfectly done. In fact since this is a comic book movie and Rodriguez was trying to duplicate the whole look of the comic I believe it really helped the film. And make no doubts about it, this is a comic book movie! Cars fly at unrealistic speeds, people jump of buildings, characters get hit by cars and bullets and everything is fine. This might be gritty, bloody and violent, but its still a comicbook film.

This movie had me cheering and grinning all the way…it reminded me of the good old days when a movie being “R” actually stood for something! I mean, Mickey Rourkes character says it the best when he says something like “this are the good old days, they are back, filled with blood and violence” man, he described my feelings for the film perfectly! This is a film that deals with violence like no other! If you are squimish, do not attempt to see this one. Theres decapitations…mutilations, dismemberments, you name it and its here. Horrors fans will have reason enought to like this one! Trust me!

An excellent, fun and entertaining film every step of the way. Robert Rodriguez, you are back in my cool book man! This movie shot straight to the top of my top ten coolest movies of all time! I know theres more Sin City stories to be told because the total of Sin City graphic novels is 7 and on this movie only three of those stories where told, so bring it on, I wouldn’t mind taking another trip to Sin City, what a place.

Rating: 5 out of 5

Jimbo513

04-01-2005, 03:48 PM

One of the best fuckin movies I have seen...ever.

This movie brought tears to my eyes a few times. Not because of some emotional scene or powerful drama, but because it's that damn good.

Not gonna pretend to know anything about disecting movies and post why this and why that, this movie's too good for that.

EvilEd

04-01-2005, 05:03 PM

Well, I saw it.

It worked. It worked in great ways. Some of the blue screen was so so, but other than that, it was damn near pitch perfect. Fantastic cinema! And the first Rodriguez movie I've actually really liked. Good show! :cool:

10/10

TornDaredevil

04-01-2005, 05:06 PM

WOW.

That is all I can say. Elijah Wood and Nick Stahl steal the show. Marv's story will definitely please the horror fans, myself included.

BEST. LOOKING. MOVIE. EVER.

DaMovieMan

04-01-2005, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by EvilEd
Well, I saw it.

It worked. It worked in great ways. Some of the blue screen was so so, but other than that, it was damn near pitch perfect. Fantastic cinema! And the first Rodriguez movie I've actually really liked. Good show! :cool:

10/10

Well if EvilEd liked it so much I'm sold. Im seeing it later tonight and will post my views as soon as I get the chance. Can't Wait.

DMM

Sigur509

04-01-2005, 05:40 PM

I'm waiting for the first negative review.

I'll be seeing this tonight sometime, cant fuckin wait.

JoeChar4321

04-01-2005, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Sigur509
I'm waiting for the first negative review.

Wait no longer...

I can’t remember when I left a theatre more disappointed then I did when I was walking to my car after Sin City. I knew nothing going in about the story or the graphic novel but I knew Frank Miller’s work. His crafting of both Daredevil and Batman is legendary. All I could think of as I waited for this movie to end (which I NEVER thought it actually would) was that either Frank Miller went insane after he left Marvel or else the comics code held that insanity in check.

This movie isn’t creative or artsy, it’s just flat out bizarre. I can see why Tarentino wanted to be involved with this stupidity. Two words spring to mind when thinking of Sin City … stylized stupidity. Ok, maybe three words… violent stylized stupidity. This movie is only about testing the audience’s tolerance for violence as EVERY actor takes an over-the-top approach to EVERY shallow character. It’s nothing more then an ultra-violent cartoon pretending to be something more. How many “tough guy” characters can we follow around killing in spurts of blood? I enjoyed the early sexuality of the film but by the fifteen minute mark it disappears and all that’s left is cartoonishly twist crap.

The trailers and the TV commercials have showed EVERY frame of Jessica Alba’s alleged striptease. Hard as it is to believe, there’s NOTHING sexy about her character. The only redeeming factor about this waste of time was the extended nude scene of Carla Gugino who played Karen Sisco on the short lived TV show (I may have to check out Spy Kids 3 now!). Other then those two minutes, this movie was flat out awful.

If this illogical and cartoony thing is any reflection of the twisted things going on in Frank Miller’s mind, then I’m glad he’s out of the mainstream. Save your money.

3 out of 10 at best ... Sorry.

CMAGUS

04-01-2005, 07:11 PM

Since there is no review thread in the what did you think section I will put mine here.
***MAY BE SPOILERS IF THERE IS NOTHING BIG I KEPT IT FRIENDLYBUT BE WARNED******

I just got back from a 3:30 viewing of Frank Millers Sin city.Let's start this review of by getting to the point, this film is fantastic.
The acting in this film was very good each character looked and acted like there respected characters from the comic book.Marv played by Rourke was a very strong character in this film and he came off as very badass and he also kicked,mutilated and just pretty much kicked the shit out of anything that moved.Hartigan played byBruce Willis was also a decent character and I thought Willis did a good job(Im not a fan of Willis so if I said it was good job then it was).Kevin played by Elijah Wood which in my opinion was one of the most bizzare and coolest character I have seen in a long time definitly one of my favourites in this film.Dwight who was played by Clive owen was another good character and he was alot along the lines of Marv just not as hardcore.Jessica Alba one word Hot,Roasrio Dawnson and the rest of the females in old town were all very good and ready to kick some ass.
The story in this film is kind of the weakest point in this film while there is one it's just not very strong.The story is one of those multiple stories that backtrack and tie into each other as it goes along there is also a strong amount of Narrating going on in this film and with it added really gives the slower scenes more punch and makes it more interesting.This film is violent pretty much if it can come off it comes off,if a bullet can hit it ,it hit's it one couple who were older next to me left within the first half hour due to the graphic and intense violence.Although it is done in many ways and some of the time the blood would be all white and not look like blood it was still violent I did not have a problem with this.
The look of this film was great when the film opens with a scene on top of a building and you see the visuals at first it took a little bit to get use to but as the film starts going and you start seeing some of the cool rain and snow effects it just looks insanely good.
In conclusion I waited a long damn time for this film and in no way was let down easily the best film this yeatr and I wouldn't be surprised if it is for the rest for me at least.
9.5/10

MisterTwister

04-01-2005, 07:40 PM

Amazing Flick-My Favorite movie of 2005 so far. 10/10

Ratlehed

04-01-2005, 08:03 PM

Really good 3 outta 4stars.

TornDaredevil

04-01-2005, 08:25 PM

This is easily, hands down the best film of 2005 thus far.

I reacted poorly to KBV1 when I saw it, purely because I wasn't ready for the level of violence and it really disgusted me. This time I knew it was coming and I fucking loved every second of this flick. It also helps how stylized it is. This is the best comic book (graphic novel) movie ever made and I can't wait to see it again.

"The Hard Goodbye" was probably my fave followed by "The Big Fat Kill," followed by "That Yellow Bastard," but I loved them all.

Really amazing though how much Yellow Bastard jumped off the screen. Brilliant. And Wood's Kevin might be the creepiest character I've seen in a long time. And I must not forget Carla Gugino's breasts. Ahhh...

I know I wrote about it a little while ago, but now after letting it marinate for awhile...

10/10

soda

04-01-2005, 09:21 PM

I just went to go see it this afternoon, too. I used to post on this board frequently, but I haven't really seen a movie that I liked for a long time until this one came out. Here's the thing, about sin city, all the professional reviews I've read so far remind me of something Frank Miller's Batman said about James Gordon in Miller's classic Batman: Year one, "James Gordon, I've heard that name, he must be a good cop, all the right people are mad at him."

All the people whose reviews I've read, who didn't really like this movie, usually harp on the same thing: the insane level of voilence in it. It's like Frank Miller wrote this Graphic Novel, and it was totally un-restrained. There isn't a single redeeming character in this whole movie, I've heard some people say. That's the point. There's not supposed to be any redeeming characters. Sin City has no heroes, only anti-heroes and villians. You're not supposed to read the Graphic Novel, or watch the movie, and think that the way Marv, or Dwigiht, or Hartigan solves their problems are the way to do so in a civilized society. What your supposed to do is to read the novel, or watch the movie, and have every last panel/frame elicit one reaction: dude, that is Messed up! In none of these stories is there ever a point where the main character is redeemed in any way, shape or form, Frank miller wasn't interested in the issue of redemption, he was interested in the issue of how much more messed up could the next panel be than the one before it. The joy, or the meaning of things, in Sin City isn't about good or evil, right or wrong, it's about doing what you have to do to ensure the survival of your friends and your family. Survival and family are really what it's all about, say what you will about how messed up the people in Sin City are, but they're willing to kill for, and to die for, each other.

The genius of Frank Miller, as a writer, is his pacing in telling a story, you read the novels, and there's never any wasted motion, no extra words, nothing happens without purpose and without intent. It's not just wanton killing and mindless mayhem, Frank Miller doesn't show you a body, or someone dying, just to show you someone dying. It's always done to advance the action, or the plot, or to provide a counter-point to the heroic intentions of the main character, or to further just how evil the villians can be. Many people, who write novels and such, do so without having a good understanding of characterization for villians, not miller. Villians are villians because they do evil things, so, in order to have the audience credibly believe that someone is evil, you must show that evil.

To illustrate further the genius of Frank Miller, take the example of Kevin and Miho, both of these characters are personified by two characteristics you don't see in the movies anymore: over the course of the entire film, neither one of the two ever utters a single word, and neither one of the two carries a gun. Everyone in Sin City loves to talk, and loves to carry a gun, but not Kevin and not Miho. Why? Because Kevin and Miho DON'T need words to let you know EXACTLY what it is they're trying to communicate. Just a look is enough, Miho gets mad, she'll give you that look, draw her sword, and cut you in half. Kevin gets mad, his facial expression never changes, but he'll cut you apart. Nature's clearest warning signals, presented clear as day. Neither one of them needs a gun to show you just how totally badass they both are, neither one needs to say a word to tell you exactly what they're thinking. That's the story-telling genius of Frank Miller. I loved this film, and I'm going to go see it again at least twice more before it's run is over. I haven't seen a movie more than once in the theatres since Spiderman two. I give this movie whatever the highest rating is, but don't believe me, go and see it for yourself.

NuclearMisfit

04-01-2005, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by TornDaredevil
And I must not forget Carla Gugino's breasts. AHHH

10/10

Lot of fine women in this flick i can tell you that right now, that and the level of gorey goodness. 10/10

Man I cant forget about those wonderful breasts.

Devon Aoki is my new facination now. Elijah Woods as Kevin was wonderful and he must have taken some tips from Andy Serkis with some of his movements.

TheSharpshooter

04-01-2005, 09:44 PM

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Three great stories with lots of action, laughs, and eye-popping visuals. Sin City is simply a must-see movie that definetely lives up to the hype.

"It's time to prove to your friends that you're worth a damn. Sometimes that means dying, sometimes it means killing a whole lot of people."

The writing is smart and, at times, very funny. The humor Frank Miller presents was perfect since every now in then you need some relief from all the violence. This baby is very, very gory. Chopped off heads/hands, stabbings, and arrows in the chest are just some of the shocking and comical kills in the movie. Another thing you will see a lot of is skin. Several girls go topless and even the ones who do stay clothed have very little on.

All of the actors/actresses were fantastic, but Mickey Rourke stole the movie for me. Marv ranks up there as one of the coolest characters of all-time. Yes, OF ALL-TIME!

I loved just about everything in this movie. I could watch Sin City over and over and not get tired of it. I think its safe to say that Sin City will most likely be on my top 10 list at the end of 2005. A sequel isn't necessary, but I wouldn't mind visiting Sin City once more at all.

There's not much else I can say that you probably haven't already read, so I'll just end this saying...
Thank you Robert Rodriguez and Frank Miller! Thank you for showing me something unique and something very cool!!!

The Final Shot - If I had to pick a favorite of the three stories, it would have to be The Hard Goodbye.

4.5/5

Moviefan02000

04-01-2005, 09:52 PM

There are only so many words you can define a film like SIN CITY as. Cinematic brilliance, very good looking, funny, visually brilliant. All of those words and more describe the brilliance of this film. I don't know what I can say that hasn't been said about this ... so I'll just leave this mini review by saying it's the best movie of the year thus far.

9/10 (A-)

outsyder

04-01-2005, 11:25 PM

Violence has never been so stylized.

:D

9/10

therealjohng

04-01-2005, 11:51 PM

I might post a longer review, but....

Sin City is the reason I love movies. 10/10.

TornDaredevil

04-01-2005, 11:54 PM

I have a question... ***SPOILERS***

I'm not sure I understood the first and last scene. Was Hartnett's character just some guy who killed women for the heck of it? I guess that would make sense in the end that Bledel's character got what she had coming... Apparently that last scene was never in the novels.

Sigur509

04-02-2005, 12:02 AM

Everyone will be copying this movie and its style, just like Pulp Fiction, and for good reasons.

10/10

beastieben21

04-02-2005, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by JoeChar4321
Wait no longer...

I can’t remember when I left a theatre more disappointed then I did when I was walking to my car after Sin City. I knew nothing going in about the story or the graphic novel but I knew Frank Miller’s work. His crafting of both Daredevil and Batman is legendary. All I could think of as I waited for this movie to end (which I NEVER thought it actually would) was that either Frank Miller went insane after he left Marvel or else the comics code held that insanity in check.

This movie isn’t creative or artsy, it’s just flat out bizarre. I can see why Tarentino wanted to be involved with this stupidity. Two words spring to mind when thinking of Sin City … stylized stupidity. Ok, maybe three words… violent stylized stupidity. This movie is only about testing the audience’s tolerance for violence as EVERY actor takes an over-the-top approach to EVERY shallow character. It’s nothing more then an ultra-violent cartoon pretending to be something more. How many “tough guy” characters can we follow around killing in spurts of blood? I enjoyed the early sexuality of the film but by the fifteen minute mark it disappears and all that’s left is cartoonishly twist crap.

The trailers and the TV commercials have showed EVERY frame of Jessica Alba’s alleged striptease. Hard as it is to believe, there’s NOTHING sexy about her character. The only redeeming factor about this waste of time was the extended nude scene of Carla Gugino who played Karen Sisco on the short lived TV show (I may have to check out Spy Kids 3 now!). Other then those two minutes, this movie was flat out awful.

If this illogical and cartoony thing is any reflection of the twisted things going on in Frank Miller’s mind, then I’m glad he’s out of the mainstream. Save your money.

3 out of 10 at best ... Sorry.

Thank you...Thank you...Thank you....Thank you. Come year end time, when this movie unjustly sweeps every schmoe-given award, I'll look back and remember that one person saw through the facade and a great white hope still glimmers in the distance.

The film's atrocious. I can handle violence. Sadistic violence with no moral purpose or theme encapsulates 'Sin City' and is the reason it fails. It's beautiful, sure, but the film is dull. It has great actors giving great performance in a meaningless film. The film not only feels overly-long but falls into repetition. Take a drink everytime our lead protagonists get punched in the face and you'll need to buy out half of Mexico to finish the game. It's morally bankrupt and ultimately an exercise in sadomasochism...Now I've gotta stop because I sound like a Repbulican.

CMAGUS

04-02-2005, 01:14 AM

My question is what the hell was going on with the anonymous guy who got the arrow through the stomach? that part was so akward although they tried to be funny it just killed the whole scene.As for the Harnett character I think it was what it was and at the end he narrates Take a wrong turn in Sin City and you can find anything or something along those lines referring to it being that kind of place where anything can happen.

blacksnake

04-02-2005, 01:20 AM

Sin City, is based upon the comics of the same name by Frank Miller, who also co-directed the film. The film is in black and white and looks like a film noir from the 40's. All the male characters are tough as nails and smoke and wear trenchcoats and all the female characters are scantily dressed prositutes. There is only some things in the movie that show colour such as a character's blue eyes or a red dress on a character. The story has several different stories all involving a lot of action and a lot of energy. Sin City, has good direction. a good script, good performances from everyone involved, good original music, good cinematography, good film editing, good set decoration and good makeup and visual effects. Sin City, is an excellent looking movie with it's costumes, sets, makeup and black and white cinematography that looks like it has come right out of the 40's. It should definately be nominated for some awards just for the way the film looks. The film took a little while for me to get into because it starts right off with a bang and has non stop action which at first I found hard to get into because it was hard to get character development and concentrate on one thing for too long. But by the third story starring Clive Owen, and Benicio Del Toro, I was into the movie and was enjoying this very exciting and energy pumped ride. The film is extremely unqiue and original, is well made, has great dialogue, has interesting characters, is an interesting film to look at, is a very entertaining film, is fun, exhilarating, has some funny moments and is a visually stunning and entertaining film. The film is very violent and is not for young kids but I have been told it is very faithful to the comic books it is based on and having not liked many movies based on comic books I can tell you that this one holds out, and it holds out well and is really a very good film. One of the most entertaining films of the year so far and also one of the most original.

PuggyD

04-02-2005, 01:20 AM

T&A does not a good movie make. Seriously. The movie had an interesting look, but it stopped being interesting after about 10 minutes or so. The movie was repetitive, which soon led to boredom. Some really awful acting here, too. When I saw it people were laughing quite a bit, especially at Josh Hartnett. More than a few people walked out. This is skyrocketing to the top of my list of overhyped movies and, depending on how people react to it on a larger scale, might be overrated, too, but it's too soon to tell on that one. Hopefully some people will realize how empty the movie was behind all the style.

5/10, and that's being generous.

bob

04-02-2005, 02:26 AM

Sin City=B+

I can't say that this is the best film of the year, even without having seen many other 2005 films, because this film is a pointless exercise in style. That being said, it's the best damn pointless exercise in style you'll see this year.

This film is brutally violent. The violence in this film accentuates the pain being caused to the characters it is inflicted on. Every character (literally) in this film is a sadist. The demographic for this film is very small, but those who are in it will probably (as shown on this board over the last month) cream their pants repeatedly at the first frame. There were a few things I didn't like (assume I liked everything else):

-Casting Elijah Wood was a huge mistake. Kevin is not the least bit frightening, because when you see him you think alternately of Harry Potter and cute 'lil Elijah Wood.

-The "war" for Old Town. Big buildup, bit of an underwhelming climax.

-The emphasis on genital mutilation/removing. Would have been a lot more effective if it wasn't in the film about 8 times.

-The "special guest director" credit given to Quentin Tarantino. He directed one fucking scene, and I dare you to pick it out without knowing beforehand.

But besides those little bits, I really liked it. I thought Clive Owen and Benicio Del Toro had great chemistry, as did Bruce Willis and Jessica Alba (although the man didn't look like he was anywhere near 60). Nick Stahl made an effectively creepy villain. Oh, and any mortal heterosexual male/homosexual female will go absolutely insane over the amount of ass in this film.

The nudity is gratuitious, but so is the whole film. That's why, despite it's high entertainment value, I can't give it higher than a B. This film holds no artistic merit.

And man, my theatre was insanely worried about this film. There were THREE I.D. checks to this film (ticket booth, ticket ripper, theatre door). And I still managed to get two friends in without tickets or I.D.s. Yeah, I'm suave.

ilovemovies

04-02-2005, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by TornDaredevil
I have a question... ***SPOILERS***

I'm not sure I understood the first and last scene. Was Hartnett's character just some guy who killed women for the heck of it? I guess that would make sense in the end that Bledel's character got what she had coming... Apparently that last scene was never in the novels.

SPOILERS!

I'm pretty sure that Hartnett is a hitman who was hired to kill those two women.

Anyway, I liked it. I enjoyed it. But I was not blown away by it like a lot of people have been. It felt to really wow me. For one thing, the extreme use of the voice over narration put me off a little bit at first. It took almost all of the first story to get use to it. That could be why Marv's story was my least favorite of the three. The second story was my favorite. I think a lot of that has to do because I think Clive Owen gives the movie's best and most compelling performance. He's terrific here and he has great chemistry with Rosario Dawson. But boy this movie is so relentlessly down beat. While all the protagonist in all three stories succeed in some way, Clive Owen's character is the only who survives. That's not a criticism or anything. I'm just saying that this is not a feel good movie, obviously. I also felt that the gore was a little too comical. It just looks so fake. Some of the violence wasn't done as well as it could have been. And I'm not talking about the fact that Mickey Rourke and Bruce Willis are shot 50 million times and still somehow manage to still alive. I bought that enough. It didn't bother me. This is a comic book movie after all. But some of the violence just didn't seem too convincing. Or I'll put it this way: I don't think it has some of the effect it's suppose to have.

Other than Owen, my favorite performance in the movie actually belongs to someone who has barely any screen time. One of the most interesting characters in the movie, to me, was the hitman played by Josh Hartnett. I found Hartnett to be very cool, very charismatic even though he's only in two scenes. I wish he was one of the main characters. I would really like to see more of him. But maybe that will be the sequel.

I did like the look of the movie though I still found Sky Captaina and the World of Tomorrow to be more visually dazzling. I also think it's a lot more fun and I just like it a lot more. I like this movie. I love Sky Captain. But I do plan on seeing this movie again. Maybe a second viewing will make me like it more. I do have a feeling that this is that kind of movie.

*** (out of ****)

happy_killmore

04-02-2005, 03:30 AM

5/5

just dont fucking disagree

CyclicNightmare

04-02-2005, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by ilovemovies
SPOILERS!

I'm pretty sure that Hartnett is a hitman who was hired to kill those two women.

Isn't he hired BY those women?

daddiefatsacks

04-02-2005, 04:58 AM

Sin City > sliced bread

9/10

im still trying to gather my thoughts, its been a few hours, what an entertaining treat, never have i spent money at a theater and felt like i should have spent more afterwards, a visually stunning epic of a film with some of the most memorable characters.

Elijah Wood was fucking cool as hell

soda

04-02-2005, 05:12 AM

Okay, here's the scoop on the Josh Hartnett thing.

His scene has nothing to do with the rest of the flick. the Sin City movie is four separate self-contained stories. The hard goodbye is Marv's, the big fat kill is Dwight's and that yellow bastard is Hartigan's. Hartnett's hitman is a separate thing, and it was a translation of the best of the sin city "shorts" that Frank Miller did for Dark Horse comics about fifteen years ago. These are just a bunch of really quick, five to ten page, self contained, short stories. the name of the short was "the customer is always right", and it was, essentially, verbatim what you saw on the screen. The REASON why Hartnett's scene was included in the movie at all is because it has the single best line in all of Sin City. If you had to pick a single line that encapsulates what this is all about, it's this one:

"and I'll cash her check in the morning."

(it's the very last thing Hartnett's character says). He killed her, someone he knew nothing about, who he had just met, and who was desperate, lonely, and on the run, for money. The reason why this short is at the beginning of the film is to let you know exactly what kind of place you're stepping into. There are no knights in shining armor in Sin City, there are no people with good, clean motives. There are no morally redeeming characters.

Onto the movie itself. Here's the thing, I enjoyed it immensely because I am such a HUGE fan of the books. This is the one movie tihat stays as close as possible to it's source material, and all the cool stuff, gut reactions, and fast, hard-paced story-telling of the book is captured in the movie. It's over-the-top, overly-stylized, pulp detective fiction of a bygone age, a genre of which you're either a fan, or you aren't. Sin City is the best movie I've seen in a while, but I don't expect it to be everyone's cup of tea, or even half the people's cup of tea, or even ten percent of the people's cup of tea, and at the end of the day, I strongly suspect that there will be a HECK of a lot more people who hate it than who liked it. If Sin City commits one, huge, unforgivable sin, it's that the movie is not meant for a general audience. You sort of have to know what Frank Miller is "talking about". At any rate, I don't expect this film to do well at the box office, and I don't expect an overall take of more than say 70 million dollars or so. Maybe even less. I don't think the general public will react well to this flick, but I know that I loved it, and that I'll buy the DVD when it comes out, and that I'll buy all the posters and stuff. It's really too bad there won't be a sequel, as, I think "family values" is the best story. And yes, the Graphic novel is a complete distortion of "family values", as if you needed to ask.

Savage Henry

04-02-2005, 05:32 AM

I figure this is a good enough thread as any for an infant schmoe to begin posting.

Sin City was really impressive. If you loved the novels you will, without a doubt, love the movie.

Visually it is stunning. Some of the additions of color to scenes seemed a bit out of place though, likee the hue changes when the Old Town girls capture Marv. But the scene with Dwight and Jackie-boy in the bathroom, when the contrast intensifies and becomes almost just b/w, is spectacular and also the scenes with the completely white characters against completely black backgrounds (although transitionally a bit awkward) are also beautiful. Although, I didn’t really have any doubt about the visuals after I saw the comic con footage.

My main concern about the verbatim adaptation was the dialogue, which, even in the comic, sometimes seems cheesy. But they pulled it off, at least the 3 leads did. Mickey Rourke is superb as Marv, easily the best character in the novels. Willis is great as Hartigan, a role he has no problem slipping into. Clive Owen particularly surprised me, just because he was able to contend with Benicio Del Toro, who was, of course, awesome. The dames did reasonably well also, considering their main goal in the movie was just to be sexy. Jessica Alba was undeniably hot throughout every scene she was in, so much so I almost forgive her for not getting naked… almost. I never really saw much in Rosario Dawson (granted I’ve only seen her in MIB II) but now I am definitely a fan. Carla Gugino does a good job at being naked, but you probably already gathered that.

I wasn’t really disappointed in any of the performances, but two sort of irked me. The young Nancy sucked, but I don’t really blame her because damn near all child actors suck, and I didn’t really care for Brittany Murphy. Murphy was decent in some scenes, but the entire scene with her leaning out the window talking to Dwight was just bad, and that’s with the cleavage.

Out of the three stories The Hard Goodbye was the best, followed by That Yellow Bastard. A Dame to Kill For would have probably been a more coherent choice for the third story, but The Big Fat Kill was still a great ride and fit nicely in the middle.

I’ll have to see it again to decide if it gets in my top 20 but its close.
9/10

Sigur509

04-02-2005, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by bob

-Casting Elijah Wood was a huge mistake. Kevin is not the least bit frightening, because when you see him you think alternately of Harry Potter and cute 'lil Elijah Wood.

Actually, I think the casting for that part was perfect. It was one of the creepiest scenes I've seen in a while. I didn't think Harry Potter when I saw him, I saw some fucked up kid.

B1rd_Po0p

04-02-2005, 11:29 AM

I saw Sin City last night... I didn't really like/dislike it: I just thought it was weird...

BUT - It had Bruce Willis in it and I love him. I'd pay to watch a paint commercial if he was in it...

moviegroupie

04-02-2005, 11:54 AM

i'm seeing today @ 3 in DLP yey!!!!!!11
and its raining so it's ideal conditions to go sit in a dark room

Browntown

04-02-2005, 12:13 PM

Review: Sin City
http://www.browntownjohnny.com/index.php

Comics and movies are one of my favorite genres. Robert Rodriguez (El Mariachi, Spy Kids, From Dusk Till Dawn) set up a studio in Austin TX to make his own CGI movies (inspired by George Lucas) and produced some truly amazing films. His newest project is an adaptation of Frank Miller's graphic novels called "Sin City", a hardboiled crime noir comic book world with cops and thugs and hookers and perverts. A reshape look at the old style black and white (splashed with color) films of the 40's and 50's has everything to offer the genre. The tech quality is sound and refined to pay homage to Miller's printed framework (Miller is given a credit as co-director). Sin City is a place where you can get run over by a car 3 times and walk away, and you get shot 30 times and live, with woman in fantasy bondage apparel.

The movie is cast with top talent (Bruce Willis, Benicio DelToro, Mickey Roarke, Jessica Alba, Clive Owen) and some cool character actors (Powers Booth rules, Rutger Hauer, Michael Madsen, Michael Clarke Duncan) and hot babes galore (Rosario Dawson, Brittany Murphy, Jamie King, Carla Gugino -nude is good). Its all just over the top comic violence and well done, three stories are told in segments (with a wrap around tale starring Josh Harnett). The problem is that Rodriguez tries to put too much into this movie, so it goes stale after the second segment. This is overkill and it leaves the audience uninterested in after the second half of the film. Why do a sequel? Also, Quentin Tarantino is brought in as 'guest director' for a 5 minute scene (car ride with Owen and DelToro is funny). If they stuck with on or 2 stories, it would be a classic.

The segment with Mickey Roarke as uber-thug Marv (looking like a brick headed muscleman) is pure and strikingly brilliant. Roarke is at his best (why did he fade out? This guy is amazing!) because the director was smart enough to cast him. Willis has the look, and Alba is something to spank too. Not the best comic book movie but it has its strong merits. Elijah Woods and Nick Stahl steal the flick as serial creeps (in different segments).

Jerk Shapiro

04-02-2005, 12:52 PM

I never thought a movie ultimately about love, life, and death, could be the most BAD ASS movie ever made, but it did, and it was. Those were my exact words when the credits started to roll after Sin City: "Wow. That's the most badass movie I've ever seen."

And it was.

I loved this movie so much there really isn't much I can say. Everything about it is perfect. This is the movie I've been waiting to see ever since I watched Pulp Fiction for the first time. Wow.

I can't get over it.

Perfect! Everything! My God. Greatest cinematography ever? Yeah, probably. It's up there, by God. This movie is funny, sad, touching, violent, sexy, thought-provoking, and oh, wait - violent some more. I really can't pick out a flaw. Ergo:

10/10

LordSimen

04-02-2005, 01:53 PM

ChemicalRomance

04-02-2005, 01:54 PM

Didn't see it Friday at 4.

Didn't see it today (Saturday) at 1.

I WILL NOW SEE IT TODAY AT 4 DAMMIT.

But with my dad. But hey, if thats what I have to do to get in it I don't care, I'm only one year away from that god damn "okay you're allowed into R-movies legally" by the theater ticket sellers crap.

I'm gonna sit away from him with my friends, it's sure to be uncomfortable.

actionagainst

04-02-2005, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by LordSimen
... Why would you think of Harry Potter with Elijah Wood? He's never been in a Potter movie. O_o

I also thought of harry potter.
Then I thought the original host of "The Weakest Link" cuz Harry Potter looks just like her!

Rufus

04-02-2005, 03:22 PM

I thought casting Wood was genious.

bob

04-02-2005, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by LordSimen
... Why would you think of Harry Potter with Elijah Wood? He's never been in a Potter movie. O_o

Because in the scenes where you can see his eyes through his glasses he looked EXACTLY like the kid who played Harry Potter. Huge casting mistake, the only one made in the film.

outsyder

04-02-2005, 03:26 PM

It's offical.

CAP Alert gives Sin City a BIG FAT ZERO.

Woooo!

ANTBond007

04-02-2005, 03:52 PM

7/10

It sure is pretty, but it's nothing more than three tough-guy characters kicking the shit out of people for each of their segments. By the time Clive Owen's reaches the halfway point, it's really friggin' tedious. However, as 'That Yellow Bastard' was my favorite of the bunch, I thought it picked up energy towards the end.

jOvy

04-02-2005, 03:57 PM

It wasn't what I expected, but it was still an allright movie.I thought that some of it was too drawn out, but oh well. 8/10 for me.

cocksmokinclerk

04-02-2005, 04:14 PM

i loved it, the voice overs did get kind of annoying but hey thats how it was in the book and i didn't expect anything less.

9.5/10

bdubprod

04-02-2005, 04:50 PM

i absolutely think this film lived up to the hype and then some. i had to see it opening night...just had too, so i went to the 10PM show last night...it was packed.

i loved the movie. 10/10

silentasylum

04-02-2005, 05:34 PM

THis movie was awesome, eye candy that never loses its taste.

10/10

DaMovieMan

04-02-2005, 05:45 PM

Full review coming up later. Suffice it to say that i absolutely loved every frame of this movie. Never read the comics before and my favorite story was 'Yellow Bastard'. I loved Bruce Willis in this movie, reminded me of his Pulp Fiction days.

My favorite scene was probably the one with Hartigan in the bar looking for Nancy and realizing he made a big mistake.

I think everyone was excellent in this movie. Powers Boothe was pure evil, Rutger Houre (sp?) was amazing in his three minutes, Del Toro proves he has what it takes when it comes to good material, Rourke was also excellent: best performance after Willis and Stahl. The last two were the stand outs for me.

Lot of voice over work, lot of crazy unimaginable over the top action that can only exist in a comic and now on film.

This story wouldnt of worked if it wasn't a comic book, it's as simple as that. The comic book is undetachable from the work and that's the only reason why the voice overs worked. If this was a script just by itself, every producer would turn his back on it coz of the excessive VO.

Anyway, can't wait to see it again.
This is Rodriquez' magnum opus which proves another thing: the man has good vision but bad originality, that's why Spy Kids, Desperado, Mexico all that shit never worked out coz the stories were bad. This story is excellent but its not his so anyway, great film. I had the worst seat in the theatre: up close and personal and on the side but i still loved it. :)

9/10

DMM

EvilEd

04-02-2005, 05:54 PM

I have the urge to go see this again, ASAP!

Shockwave

04-02-2005, 06:18 PM

Im not going to post another glowing review, too many of those as it is, but i will give my score-

9/10

It ruled in every way it could.

It rocks to the level of Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction, and thats a mighty high level.

GavinE

04-02-2005, 06:42 PM

I liked the movie a lot. I am actually writing up a review for it right now for my site. I think a 4.5/5 is about right. And yes, Little Nancy Callahan sucked ass. And so did Brittany Murphy. "I'll cut your lil' pecker off" sticks in my mind. Some of the car chases, especially with Wendy, looked a little too unbelievable. Other than that it's a hell of a movie.

moviegroupie

04-02-2005, 07:02 PM

i dunno that this lived up to my expectations . the thinking out loud parts with the guy who was utterly infatuated with goldie was rather obnoxious, i couldn't take his Dolby Digitalized voice, and it felt too Max Payneish (albeit that was trying to be like a sadistic comic book as well).

I liked the cast, didn't really understand the creepiness underlying Elijah Wood's character, that's another problem. Too many characters, not enough character development. Good lines every here and there, but lots of them were misses and the metaphors, for the most part, stunk.

The "Sky Captain' animation was neat at times, it also bothered me at times. I guess it felt like it was trying too hard to become stylized, and there's no way I can treat this film to be on the same level with KB and PF.

oh and what scene did Tarantino direct? I coulda swore it was a handful, but I couldn't pinpoint it.

and how did all the little stories connect? they all just went to the strip club? some connection (sarcasm; Magnolia would be more ideal for this)

7/10

and what was the whole josh harnett thing about?

moviegroupie

04-02-2005, 07:20 PM

*SPOILERS*

okay a hitman perhaps, but the rest of what you said isn't registering.

and where's the genius connection between the different peoples stories?

ChemicalRomance

04-02-2005, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by moviegroupie
and what was the whole josh harnett thing about?

***SPOILERS***

What is everyone's deal about not getting the Josh Hartnett thing?

He is a hitman. He was hired at the end to take Becky out to tie up a loose end from Old Town. That's why she was shown living after the shoot out. Then boom. Amazing final scene.

***SPOILERS***

ChemicalRomance

04-02-2005, 07:21 PM

Brutal.
Funny.
More brutal.
No moral values.
Insane.
Sexy.
Stylish.
Well acted.
Written with a razor blade pen.

But by god....

FUCKING. BRILLIANT.

(10/10)

Rufus

04-02-2005, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
***SPOILERS***

What is everyone's deal about not getting the Josh Hartnett thing?

He is a hitman. He was hired at the end to take Becky out to tie up a loose end from Old Town. That's why she was shown living after the shoot out. Then boom. Amazing final scene.

***SPOILERS***

***SPOILERS AS WELL***

That's what i think, too, but why? The prostitutes had no problem killing anybody else. Why hire Hartnet to kill Becky? Why not just do it themselves? That is what doesn't make sense to me.

EvilDeadGirl

04-02-2005, 07:54 PM

Jes' got back from seeing this film and WOW. What an amazing piece of work. I truly enjoyed myself and plan on going to see it again. Definately worth watching in the theatre.

The cast was great and the splashes of color here and there made the movie that much more enjoyable.

I've never read the novels or anything and didn't find this film at all difficult to get wrapped up into. Loved every minute of it. 10/10!

ChemicalRomance

04-02-2005, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Rufus
***SPOILERS AS WELL***

That's what i think, too, but why? The prostitutes had no problem killing anybody else. Why hire Hartnet to kill Becky? Why not just do it themselves? That is what doesn't make sense to me.
***SPOILERS***

Josh Hartnett killing her made it easy to sneak in on her. If a hooker had came into the hospital she would have more than likely been flagged right when she walked in. And Gail thought Becky had died in the gunfire/explosion or run away.

LordSimen

04-02-2005, 08:02 PM

Jimbo513

04-02-2005, 08:03 PM

SPOLERS

That's what i think, too, but why? The prostitutes had no problem killing anybody else. Why hire Hartnet to kill Becky? Why not just do it themselves? That is what doesn't make sense to me.

Because the prostitutes are a sledge hammer, the hitman is a scalpel. Becky wouldn't dare go back to Old Town and the prostitutes wouldn't dare go out of Old Town and just start killing people, so they hire the hitman to do it discreetly.

Mr-Blonde

04-02-2005, 08:28 PM

This movie rocked my socks off! This film has some of the most stunning cinematography I have ever seen. And the cast was awesome too! Mickey Rourke was at his best that I've ever seen him in this flick. He is really quite incredible as Marv. Benecio Del Toro was his usual charismatic self as Jackie Boy. I loved most everything about the film. It was dark and violent with a sense of humor. My only complaint is that some of the Frank Miller dialogue was kind of clunky. Having read some of the books I can tell you it works better on written page. But seeing as this was less a adaptation to film and more a translation I can overlook it. Can't say enough good things about this film. Definitely get your asses out to see it people! We need to embrace and support hard-edged genre films such as this that care more about staying true to the source's content that putting out PG-13 drek.

Sin City is the best film I have seen yet this year! It is a nihilisticly classic piece of film noir.10/10

sharkstank

04-02-2005, 08:50 PM

sin city made me splooge my pants
**** best movie of the year by far so far. it had everything.
and bob, i disagree aboutt he testicle stuff...it always has the same effect on ,me, lol

WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

chasingbanky

04-02-2005, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by Jimbo513
SPOLERS

Because the prostitutes are a sledge hammer, the hitman is a scalpel. Becky wouldn't dare go back to Old Town and the prostitutes wouldn't dare go out of Old Town and just start killing people, so they hire the hitman to do it discreetly.

In the words of Gary Oldman..... "Beengo!"

CyclicNightmare

04-02-2005, 09:39 PM

I was under the impression that Hartnett is the type of "hitman" that people hire to kill themselves. "I'll cash her check in the morning." "I'll never know what she was running from." Etc.

Seems clear.

therealjohng

04-02-2005, 09:45 PM

So what's the homage to The Arrow that Jo was talking about?

DaMovieMan

04-02-2005, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by CyclicNightmare
I was under the impression that Hartnett is the type of "hitman" that people hire to kill themselves. "I'll cash her check in the morning." "I'll never know what she was running from." Etc.

Seems clear.

What would be the point of that? Just kill yourself if you want to die, don't lose money in the process.

******************SPOILERS**************

Look what Hartigan did.

DMM
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DaMovieMan

04-02-2005, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by therealjohng
So what's the homage to The Arrow that Jo was talking about?

********MINOR SPOILERS***********

I'm pretty sure he was talking about when the guy got shot through the head with Miho's arrow. Arrow in the Head...get it?

That part didn't really work that well for me though...seemed kinda cheesy.

DMM

Mystique963

04-02-2005, 11:04 PM

Alright, saw it last night. I must say that the biggest problem with looking forward to movies so much is that usually they don't seem to live up to their hype.

However, that was not the case with this.

Rodriguiz lives up to his name! I thought the movie was awesome, very well put together and mixes a perfect level of realism with enough comic book look to make it really awesome eye candy through out the entire 126 minutes.

**MINOR SPOILERS**

I will say that the only thing I didn't enjoy as much as I could have was the seperation of the stories. I would have liked to have there be more of a combining of charactors and really the only thing we have to connect a lot of the people is Jessica Alba's charactor. As far as the individual stories go, I'll have to give a rundown for each.

The first one with Marv, it was cool. I really liked Mickey Rourke as the lead and I thought that he did a good job. The whole part with Elijah Wood was extremly disturbing and ticked a very sick part of the storyline. Like, sick sick. Like, watch it and... yeah. sick. Carla Gugino and Jaime King do just fine. I'm not a huge fan of un-needed nudity in movies and I have yet to decide if Gugino's breasts were completly necessary. The hand part... yeesh. i cringed. Well done to everyone in the story. Great introduction to Gail and the Old Town Girls who I will discuss in a moment.

Before I start on the second story, let me explain how much I am in love with Clive Owen and I am therefore a little biased. I liked it. It was one of the more random stories, I don't know how I feel about the talking head which I still don't get and if someone would like to enlighten me, I'd appriciate it. I'd like to say first about how incredibly unimpressed I am with Brittany Murphy on a daily basis, but she did okay! I'll be damned! Benicio does amazing, as usual, and I doubt that anyone would expect different. And the Old Town Girls! Can I just say that I have never wanted to play a part so much in my 21 years of existence. They ruled! Alexis Bledel does well and totally throws her usual innocent, good girl a bit of a curve ball by being (all of the above) and a prostitue! hehe. Dawson does really well which i expected considering that i think she's a very impressive actress. I also loved Miho's charactor. However, a lot of randomness in this one. irish missionaries, nazi's getting shot with arrows and speaking to them, talking heads, etc. Crazy.

Two of my favorite people were in the last one. i love Bruce Willis and I thought he did really well. I thought the story combined a interesting/disturbing amount of compassion with the usual violence. Willis did really well with the whole tormented cop routine and I loved his narration of the scenes. Nick Stahl was one of the creepiest charactors I've ever seen, and it really seemed to get worse as the story went on. I really couldn't recognize him in the make-up and he did a great job. Creeped the hell out of me. And my girl! Jessica Alba! I seriously can't get enough of her. She's a great performer and totally steals the scene. Great charactor for her too. I'll credit how disturbed I was with her getting beat up to how long I've been a Dark Angel fan and it's really unnatural for me to see that happening to her. I think I closed my eyes a few times... weird. The whole love interest between the two fo them was a little weird. I can definitly say that i could have lived without it. This scene was followed by one of the most satisfying ass kickings I've ever seen when Willis goes postal on the Yellow Bastard. hehe... he ripped off his hoho's! YES!
The whole story was probably my favorite of all the scenes and i really liked the effects used as well as the charactor interactions.

**END SPOILERS**

Overall, loved it. Great cast, great director, great original idea. I'll be seeing it again soon and I highly recommend it. Good job on the review Joblo, I've never agreed more.

A or ***1/2 out of ****

Nachokoolaid

04-02-2005, 11:09 PM

Some spoilers, I guess.

This film is an almost perfect translation of the Miller novels. Is it a perfect film? No. But it's damn good. The thing that bugs me is that Rodriguez and Miller took so much trouble to make everything look exactly like it did in the books, but then Nancy is clothed. Ok, now you're probably saying, "Oh this pervert just wants to see titties." That's not the case. We see Carla's and Jaime's (And correct me if I'm wrong, but I was amost positive that was Victoria Silvstedt standing on the corner in Old Town when we're first introduced to the girls). Anyway, we saw her tits too. Was Alba that important to the cast and the film as a whole that you have to sacrifice your artisitic vision? Maybe. But why not cast a different actress that would do the nudity and possibly be a better Nancy?

Rodriguez has said that Nancy didn't have to be nude in the film, but she had to feel like the sexiest woman in the city. Maybe it was me, but I didn't get that feeling. The problem wasn't with Alba's performance (she did better than I expected her to), but every female in this pic so overly sexy, that Alba, hiding behind those cumbersome chaps and top (it wasn't even a sexy bikini) can't compete. Plus, she's a stripper. It logisitically makes sense.

For my money, Goldie is the sexiest in the film. She proves her power, not in her nudity, but in that her actions in life (and death) inspire a man to go to such great lengths. That sex scene with she and Marv was amazing. When she looked bronzed, and Marv says she was a goddess, I believed him. After that, when we go to Nancy, I was sort of let down. The nudity in this film didn't seem gratuitous. It was shot beautifully (especially Goldie) So I'm upset that Miller and Rodriguez came to the decision they did.

Ok, enough of that little rant. Here are my other major thoughts:

Casting Elijah Wood as Kevin was probably the BEST casting decision in the last decade. Everyone knows him as sweet innocent little Frodo Baggins, so that made this character even that more shocking. Great move. Who ever said that was a mistake, well, I disagree. This film probably saved Wood's career. He was already getting the "Mark Hamill Syndrome" where casting directors wouldn't consider him because he was type cast. No longer!!!

Nick Stahl was also really good, again, better than I expected.

Of course, everyone is saying how Marv is the coolest character. I agree. But I think that my favorite is Hartigan. Willis' Hartigan is really the heart of this film. We sympathize the most with him, and I thought Willis gave one of his best performances. Oddly, his relationship with Nancy (despite their ages) felt like it could work to me. And after all her letters, I feel as though he really loved her, enough for the sacrifice at the end.

Del Toro was good here again, but when is he not?

And the ending was great! I knew she had it coming. But I knew none of the girls would leave Old Town, so I was thinking Dwight was going to get her. But when she opened the elevator and I saw "the doctor" I had the biggest grin on my face.

Anything I didn't like? Sadly Clive Owen's accent would slip occasionally. I don't see why (the same with Alba's Nancy) they had to cast someone that didn't fit the character, here, a Brit. If Owen was that important to the cast, why not just give Dwight a British accent and pretend like Dwight is a Brit living in America? Then you don't have to worry about the slippage. Anyway, Murphy's accent would slip too sometimes. At times she was going for this real "New Jersey" type accent, and at others, it was her normal speech.

Overall, probably a 9/10 from me. I hope it's nominated for a cinematography Oscar, and a special effects one too. Would Alba's tits have pushed it to a 10/10? No. But it wouldn't have hurt any.;)

stormy waters

04-02-2005, 11:23 PM

I cant say anything that hasnt been said. so i'll sum it up in 5 words.

Sin City best movie....ever.

outsyder

04-02-2005, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by CyclicNightmare
I was under the impression that Hartnett is the type of "hitman" that people hire to kill themselves. "I'll cash her check in the morning." "I'll never know what she was running from." Etc.

Seems clear.

I think she was a prostitute from Old Town that ran away. The Salesman was thinking to himself about a check that one of the Old Town girls gave him to kill the lady in red.

therealjohng

04-02-2005, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by outsyder
I think she was a prostitute from Old Town that ran away. The Salesman was thinking to himself about a check that one of the Old Town girls gave him to kill the lady in red.

I always thought that the girl paid Josh Harnett to kill her. But maybe I'm wrong.

BorderEevilIII

04-02-2005, 11:56 PM

*****SPOILER WARNINGS!****

Caught the flick TODAY......

I apparently walked in and saw Bruce Willis and Michael Madsen talking and Willis punches Madsen out......
DID I MISS ANYTHING?!?! :confused:
I thought the movie started at 11:15 AM but found out that the flick actually started at 11AM... :mad:
Sin City was awesomely kick ass for what it was..... The pacing seems like it was sifted right out of the comic book pages...... The blend of color alongside the Black & White was purrrrrrfect!
A lot of the slicing and dicing executed caught me by suprise.....
Everyone featured were superb... Mickey Rourke amazed me and Clive was my personal fave.... There were some over the top predictable moments but it served its purpose.... And yeah Carla got some big titties! :D
I was a wee bit confused when I saw Elijah Wood appear again when I asked myself, didn't that boy die earlier in the film? :confused:

END

CanadianVampire

04-03-2005, 12:08 AM

Hartigans story took place a little before Marvs story occured. Thats why you also see Marv as well in there.

ChemicalRomance

04-03-2005, 12:11 AM

WHY IS EVERYONE SO CONFUSED ABOUT JOSH HARTNETT'S CHARACTER?

::rips out hair::

Mr-Blonde

04-03-2005, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by BorderEevilIII
I apparently walked in and saw Bruce Willis and Michael Madsen talking and Willis punches Madsen out......
DID I MISS ANYTHING?!?! :confused:
I thought the movie started at 11:15 AM but found out that the flick actually started at 11AM... :mad:

How weird-- the same exact thing happened to me. I stuck around till the next screening but felt like a jackass! :D

-----SPOILERS---------

Most of my favorite scenes (of which there are many) in the film have to do w/ Marv's story but I really enjoyed the hell out of watching the scene where Pez dispenser Jackie Boy had a coversation w/ Dwight while he was trying to dispose of the bodies. Del Toro rocked the house in this scene.

Gone in 60sec

04-03-2005, 12:39 AM

Saw it tonite and not a long review but AMAZINGLY ENTERTAINING!!!!

probaly 9.5/10 mayb 10/10 cant wait to see it again. probaly the golden schome winner of 2005 !

BakeTheMooCow

04-03-2005, 12:43 AM

Great movie, a real treat for fans of the graphic novel. The cast was inspired, the script and direction were exceptional and I appreciated all the work that was put into making it faithful to the source.

8/10

gspawn

04-03-2005, 01:04 AM

9-10/10... as perfect as you're willing to accept on your scale. One of the most perfect films I've ever seen.

Mild spoiler to explain bits...
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Apparently, "flashbacks" are an entirely new device in cinema, and have never been implemented before. [/sarcasm] Willis' character's story doesn't happen with the same chronology that most other do. His skips from the past to the present. It's supposed to be a twist because you're supposed to recognize "her" name and know that she's the kid. She's even wearing leather covered in studs to tip it off. Put it together people!

general_taste

04-03-2005, 01:35 AM

Excellent use of repeated dialogue/VO, for example with the words "prove that you're worth a damn" used in some form in the final two stories, and the first two scenes being evoked in the final two.

Questions and a theory:

Spoilers-

If Hartigan and Dwight evoked Galahad and Lancelot, respectively, which knight would Marv be?

Why the hell didn't Kevin stop Hartigan's attack on the guy who may be his adopted cousin? Junior's victims just not old enough for eating?

Now, the theory - another reason Kevin never spoke is Junior always had to have his vicims scream before killing them. Sure, he already only spoke to Rourke, but a sadistic semi-cousin couldn't help things.

Mr-Blonde

04-03-2005, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by general_taste
If Hartigan and Dwight evoked Galahad and Lancelot, respectively, which knight would Marv be?

Percivel perhaps?

Nah-- Marv was anything but a knight. He was more like a berserker, a barbarian. Hell even Dwight said he'd be at home on a medieval battlefield.

Why the hell didn't Kevin stop Hartigan's attack on the guy who may be his adopted cousin? Junior's victims just not old enough for eating?

Maybe the kid only goes into attack mode when he feels threatened.

Now, the theory - another reason Kevin never spoke is Junior always had to have his vicims scream before killing them. Sure, he already only spoke to Rourke, but a sadistic semi-cousin couldn't help things.

All interesting points but your forgetting that Kevin as well as most of the population of Basin City are a complete and utter sociopaths. Apparently, Kevin like the rest of them was mostly just out for himself.

ilovemovies

04-03-2005, 04:14 AM

SPOILERS!

I forgot to ask something. I went to the bathroom during some of Marv's story. I must have missed Carla Gugino's death. What happened?

BakeTheMooCow

04-03-2005, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by beastieben21
It's morally bankrupt
Hahaha. Thanks for the laugh, mate. I'm just picturing this in my head -- someone going to watch a movie called SIN CITY and leaving the theater thinking it's morally bankrupt. What did you expect, The Princess Diaries? LOL.

Mystique963

04-03-2005, 05:41 AM

Originally posted by ilovemovies
SPOILERS!

I forgot to ask something. I went to the bathroom during some of Marv's story. I must have missed Carla Gugino's death. What happened?
*SPOILERS*

I don't know when you left, so I'll wrap it all up. When Marv takes on Elijah's charactor the first time he gets his ass kicked and wakes up in the shower room with Lucille and we find out about Eijah's charactor and his serial killer tendencies (heads on the wall) We then learn that Lucille has had her hand cut off by him and was forced to watch him eat her fingers (very disturbing scene if you ask me...) They then escape and random big cops show up to arrest/kill Marv. Lucille tries to tell them that he's innocent and that she's his parole officer and is riddled with bullets. Marv then goes postal on them with a hatchet. Good times :)

*END SPOILERS*

Again, just reminding everyone of how much I loved the movie. :)

Rick-James

04-03-2005, 05:59 AM

Best Movie of the Year(so far).

9.5/10

Electra

04-03-2005, 08:04 AM

I've been waiting to see this movie since I first heard about it, and it lived up to the hype.

9.5/10

Backstabba

04-03-2005, 12:11 PM

I can't believe almost every active schmoe has seen sin city....
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And if my bad luck continues, I might have to wait for DVD....
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Lucky schmoes.

chinton

04-03-2005, 01:04 PM

heres my review from ym college paper

Many films have been described by critics as comic book like films. These movies usually consist of a general style that stays true to the source material but then adds in its own ideas. The newly released Sin City one ups this process. It’s not just a comic book like film but rather film brought to comic book. Its look, style, dialogue, and characters is directly taken from the Sin City graphic novels making a completely different visual feast. Thankfully, the movie also happens to be extremely good too.
As far as the stories go the word of the day is angst. Sin City is actually based on three of the graphic novels in the series. Much like Pulp Fiction the stories are intertwined throughout the movie making a complex but cohesive film. If only all the stories could be equally great.
All three narratives deal with men who are willing to do anything, including probably dying, to avenge or save the woman in their story. The first story stars Bruce Willis as a hard-boiled cop on the edge named Harrtigan. Harrtigan is retiring but first wants to take care of the Senator’s son (Nick Stahl) who has a penchant for murdering small girls. Things go wrong though, and Harrtigan ends up in jail for seven years. Once he gets out he discovers the girl he saved, Nancy (Jessica Alba), is in trouble and must rescue her from the Senator’s son once again who looks drastically different.
The second story is the best story in the movie. It deals with another hard boiled and grotesque looking man Marv (Mickey Rourke). Marv gets lucky one night and a beautiful girl named Goldie goes back to his place and sleeps with him. In the middle of the night a creepy hitman named Kevin(Elijah Wood) comes in and kills her. Marv has been framed for her murder. Realizing he has no way out, he goes on a gruesome murdering spree to find out who Kevin is and why Goldie was killed.
Then finally there is the third story which deals with the Old Town section of the city. Old Town is essentially where all the hookers work. The prostitutes in Old Town have a shaky truce with cops. The cops get half the profit, and the girls of Old Town run justice their own way. All this changes though when a corrupt and deranged cop is killed by the Old Town girls. Now their leader (Rosario Dawson) and a good friend (Clive Owen) must stop the cops from finding out so things won’t go Hell in a hand basket.
These three stories certainly do make a fascinating movie. Of course, all of them are on different levels as far as quality. Marv’s is easily the best. Marv is a great character. Despite the gruesome ways he dispatches all his enemies, he turns out to be the most sympathetic and enjoyable character in the film. The story that works the least is probably Harrtigan’s storyline simply because it lacks some of the tongue in the cheeks humor the other stories have. It is certainly the most serious storyline, but it’s hard to take it’s emotional denouement to seriously when the film is so insistently stylized.
Speaking of storylines one must compliment the script to this film, which sounds as if it was lifted directly from the graphic novels. Most of the film is actually in voice-over. This doesn’t work all the time, but it works here. Also, all the dialogue does a great job of fitting with the mood and the look of the film. The dialogue is melodramatic and angsty to the ninth degree. Everything is exaggerated in the film but especially the dialogue. Nothing is simple in this movie, rather big emotions with the weight of the world seemingly hanging on the character’s shoulders.
Yet, the best part of this film is easily the brilliant look. This film is a visual masterpiece. Not only is it black and white with the occasional splash of color, but it is also an almost entirely computer generated film a la Sky Captain. This allows them to create the moody and stylistic background present in the graphic novels. Every single frame of the film has something fascinating going for it. Notice the little details such as how Kevin’s glasses are always bright white until you get up close to him. It makes for an even creepier character.
The acting also has to be complimented. Elijah Wood does a great job as the cannibalistic hitman Kevin. In fact, everybody seems to get what’s going on in this film and plays it right on tee. Mickey Rourke must also be specifically pointed out for his great job as Marv.
Keep in mind though this film is not for everybody. It is sadistic, extremely violent, highly stylized, and very different. One won’t believe some of the place this dark film is willing to go. Yet, if one is willing to go along with something very different this is definitely the movie to see. It’s always nice to see a director who not only tries something different, but makes no apologies when he does.

8.5/10

gspawn

04-03-2005, 01:49 PM

I think I'll summarize what a lot of people must be thinking...
This is a flick you might need to see twice if you want to get all the tiny bits of complexity. Especially Hartnett's character- I want to see it again and figure out what I may have missed.

Minor spoilerization...

I thought his purpose in the movie was just to prove that Sin City is unchanging and (at least from our perspective) "morally bankrupt". He gets the girl in the beginning to set the mood, totally disappears to give way to other character's stories, and then comes back in just at the last moment- when all the main characters have had their "conclusions". Personally, I see that as making him a metaphor for the city itself- it always gets you. But that's just my impression- I probably missed something along the way.

NightStalkerGtx

04-03-2005, 02:48 PM

okay i saw this movie Sat. i i seriously loved every goddamn second of it i didnt think the voice overs were anoying or anything i loved the whole movie this is the 3rd moive ever i give a 10 to.
10/10 (movies that got 10's Pulp fiction Collateral and Sin City)
Top 3 list
1- Pulp Fiction
2- Sin City
3- Collateral

Spoilers about josh H.

He would say they were running from something because she was obviously wanted dead and he was watching her the past couple of days. The hookers hired him beacause maybe the other hooker that betrayed them left there town. Oh and yes Josh H. is a hitman i read it i think at comingsoon.nets review i read it some where were it listed the charectors.

Spoilers over

Rodirguez said if this makes money he will make a sequel he said it on a www.comingsoon.net interview while talking about his up coming kids film. Maybe the sequel will have a little backround info on Josh H. Charector.

Lynn7

04-03-2005, 02:57 PM

My son saw this last night and loved it but when he told me some of the stuff that was in it it sounded totally disgusting. I will not be going to see this one.EWWWWW!

KTJ2004

04-03-2005, 03:00 PM

9/10

What an amazing movie. It was so stylistic and beautiful, even though so much of this movie involves murder. I love the black and white feel, but I also liked how certain things would be in color, such as Clive Owen's shoes and Alexis Bledel's eyes and whatnot. The green screen effects looked much better in this movie than Sky Captain and really gave it the comic book feeling.

My favorite story would be without a doubt Marv's story. Powerful, creepy, and exciting all at the same time.

Savage Henry

04-03-2005, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by therealjohng
I always thought that the girl paid Josh Harnett to kill her. But maybe I'm wrong.
A lot of the signs seem to point to that. "Her" check, and the fact that Mary Shelton is credited as "The Customer" and Harnett "The Salesman." But really, I don't think that makes a whole lot of sense, and customer could just be a roundabout way of saying victim. But in the end it doesn't really matter who she is or who hired him, the only important thing is the check.

BakeTheMooCow

04-03-2005, 03:07 PM

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/03/30/international/gay.xlaerge1.jpg

The people who think Sin City is "morally bankrupt" gather in Jersulaem.

CyclicNightmare

04-03-2005, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by outsyder
I think she was a prostitute from Old Town that ran away. The Salesman was thinking to himself about a check that one of the Old Town girls gave him to kill the lady in red.
If the Old Town girls paid him to kill her, then he would know exactly what she was running from. He would not have said "I'll never know what she was running from."

BakeTheMooCow

04-03-2005, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by CyclicNightmare
If the Old Town girls paid him to kill her, then he would know exactly what she was running from. He would not have said "I'll never know what she was running from."
Maybe it was a no-questions-asked kinda job. They don't want to tell, he doesn't want to know.

CyclicNightmare

04-03-2005, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by BakeTheMooCow
Maybe it was a no-questions-asked kinda job. They don't want to tell, he doesn't want to know.
If they hired him, he'd surely know that she must have crossed the "Girls of Old Town." They seem to have a reputation.

Addi88

04-03-2005, 03:58 PM

it was perfect.

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/aceamo/pp2jackavatar2.gif

10/10

BakeTheMooCow

04-03-2005, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by CyclicNightmare
If they hired him, he'd surely know that she must have crossed the "Girls of Old Town." They seem to have a reputation.
Not necessarily. There are many ways to get a person to do something for you without contacting them directly. Maybe all he knew was someone wanted her dead and he was to receive a check. Hence, no questions asked. You know, the man behind the man behind the man..

The Heart Collector

04-03-2005, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Savage Henry
A lot of the signs seem to point to that. "Her" check, and the fact that Mary Shelton is credited as "The Customer" and Harnett "The Salesman." But really, I don't think that makes a whole lot of sense, and customer could just be a roundabout way of saying victim. But in the end it doesn't really matter who she is or who hired him, the only important thing is the check.

She could be the customer because she 'buys it'.

chasingbanky

04-03-2005, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
She could be the customer because she 'buys it'.

Precisely..

Minor spoilers

And as for Hartnett knowing because of reputation or because they hired him is ridiculous. When have you ever seen a hitman(or heard of one) that asked questions about jobs? They pay him, and he kills. Anyone pays him, and he kills. That's what a hitman is. They don't give a fuck about the other person. They care so little about them that they're willing to take the person's life.

End Spoilers/post

go2

04-03-2005, 06:27 PM

sin city was violent,sexy,funny,cool,entertaining,comic bookish,quentin tarantinoish,stylized,and very cool.one of the best movies of the year and a smart comic film .10/10.cant wait for the dvd.

CyclicNightmare

04-03-2005, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by chasingbanky
Precisely..

Minor spoilers

And as for Hartnett knowing because of reputation or because they hired him is ridiculous. When have you ever seen a hitman(or heard of one) that asked questions about jobs? They pay him, and he kills. Anyone pays him, and he kills. That's what a hitman is. They don't give a fuck about the other person. They care so little about them that they're willing to take the person's life.

End Spoilers/post
My point is, he wouldn't HAVE TO ASK (and you're right, as a hitman, he wouldn't). He would at least know that if the Old Town girls wanted her dead, she must be running from them.

I believe the girl in the beginning hired him herself. I'm still not sure whether Becky did the same at the end (I'm leaning towards it) or if the girls of Old Town ordered the hit.

Nachokoolaid

04-03-2005, 08:49 PM

WOW. Out of all the things to be discussing about this interesting film, (like Alba refusing to go nude like the others) we are stuck on Hartnett's character. Here's the rundown for those still confused.

In Frank Miller's "The Customer is Always Right," the Customer (played by Mary Shelton in the film) is running from something. We are never told what. She is tired of running, so she puts out a hit on herself, and The Salesman comes calling. He cashes her check in the morning.

Rodriguez shot this in order to convince Frank Miller that SIN CITY could be done, and done right.

Then, as a bookend to the film, The Salesman character was brought back to tie up the loose end of Becky, who betrayed the Old Town Girls. The girls would never leave Old Town, so they had to get outside help. I thought it would be from Dwight, who was a murderer already anyway, but when we see The Salesman there in the elevator, we understand why he's there, and it's the perfect bookend to the story, and we understand that Becky's "I love you" to her Mom will be her last.

*******

I hope that cleared some things up. Now, on to more discussions over this great film. 28 Million opening weekend!!! Not bad. I hope there's a sequel. I can honestly say though, that I was a little sad to see Hartigan go.

CyclicNightmare

04-03-2005, 09:29 PM

So I'm right thhhhhbbbbbbbb. And hahaha hehe. Jk. Thanks for clearing this up.

MadsenOMC

04-03-2005, 10:25 PM

SPOILERS!!!!

I haven't read the last four pages of this thread, so I have no idea what the general consensus has been. I'm guessing most people have liked it, but that's only a guess. I just saw it, and to be honest, I was not impressed. Now, please, please, I hope no one is going to start accusing me of hating every movie and being too negative again. I really don't want to go through all that. I am merely being completely, brutally honest about my feelings regarding this movie. I did not set out to dislike it, nor do I take any pleasure in feeling this way about it. Believe what you will, but I truthfully was not blown away by Sin City.

OK, now that that's taken care of, on to the movie. Yes, it looks great. There's no denying that. I loved seeing something that looks so different from everything else. It was fresh. But I need more than pretty pictures for a satisfying experience at the theater. I need some substance, something to chew on. I only got bits and pieces, not a complete meal. The cast is outstanding, but the performances are very hit and miss. Some struggled with the hard-boiled, tough as nails dialogue and were not very convincing. Alexis Bledel and Brittany Murphy stick out the most. Their performances were pretty damn awful. Jessica Alba is smokin' hot, but her acting is nothing to write home about. I did like Rosario Dawson and Devon Aoki though. They were believable. Of the males, Willis can play this role in his sleep, just like his role in Hostage. He does nothing special here. I did like Owen, Stahl, Del Toro and Rourke, though. They did some solid work. The dialogue got tiresome after a while though. It's all cliches and some of it is too hokey. I found the constant narration to be annoying. It never stops and it got on my nerves. Sometimes I just wanted them to shut the fuck up already. It's all been said before in other movies, and said better. The movie is also plauged by Ebert's infamous Case of the Talking Killer. Rather than kill our hero or anti-hero, the killer/bad guy talks just long enough for him to either A) be rescued by someone else or B) get out of the predicament. It happens a little too often here. I also got sick of how many impossible situations they get out of. It's one after another and sometimes that shit is just too hard to take, even in a movie like this. And at over two hours, it drags from time to time. Other than watching Devon Aoki kick ass, which was a lot of fun, the Owen story is pretty boring. The other two are better, though they have problems of their own. I did enjoy watching Benicio pry his gun out of his severed hand, that dude cracking wise after the arrow is shot through him and Willis ripping off Stahl's balls (or whatever was left down there). It definitely has some cool moments, don't get me wrong. I did enjoy parts of it. But I don't think I'm being too picky when I state my problems. It has a lot of flaws that were hard for me to overlook. We're talking about a 135 minute movie that, as cool as it looks, is full of noir genre cliches, spotty acting and weak writing. I'm sorry, but for me, you need to do better than look good to overcome all of that. You need to have a better story and better writing. And Sin City's story and writing are, overall, only mediocre. For everything that I liked, there was something that annoyed me or something I didn't like. But, I'm in a good mood and feeling generous, so I'm going to inflate my rating a little, even though I'm not sure it entirely deserves it.

6/10

AnnoyingQuestionAsker

04-03-2005, 10:43 PM

Two simple words to describe this movie:

Fucking Brilliant

GavinE

04-03-2005, 11:53 PM

Here is my review that I typed up for my blog.

What can I say? It lived up to the hype for the most part. Is it the best comic to screen translation ever? Yes. Is it the best movie ever? Well, let's not go that far. Now I did my fair share of research before going to see this one. I read Frank Miller's 'Batman' comics and I read two of the three graphic novels featured in this movie. I also watched the 'El Mariachi' Trilogy from director Robert Rodriguez to get familiar with his work.

The movie starts off with The Salesman(Josh Hartnett, in his one good movie ever) talking on a roof with a lady in a red dress. This story plays out and we are taken to what may possibly be the greatest opening credit sequence ever. Yeah, I was even impressed by the credits. After the eye candy credits we get started with the "That Yellow Bastard" storyline. Hartigan(Bruce Willis) only has one hour to go until he hangs up his badge and retires from the Basin City PD forever only he has one more thing he has to do; rescue skinny little Nancy Callahan from the Senators son Junior who happens to be a pedophile. After much grief from his partner Bob(Michael Madsen), he knocks out Bob and proceeds with the mission. He gets there in the nick of time and punishes Junior. This is when we really get a glimpse of how violent the movie will be. I read the source material and I knew it was going to be violent, but it didn't hit me until I saw a ear blown off. Anyway Bob steps in and we are then transfered "The Hard Goodbye" storyline.

Let me take this break in story to give you this little PSA. People, if you are at the movies, turn your friggin' cell phones off. During this movie I had to experience not one, but TWO cases of cell phones going off. Not only were the calls annoying but when the people would flip open there nifty little annoyances, the light would illuminate the entire theater to the point where I felt as if I was watching the sun come out of the person's hand! So yeah, turn your phone off.

Now back on track. Marv(Mickey Rourke) has been framed for murder. His true love Goldie(Jaime King) has been killed while they slept. Naturally the police are there to try to get Marv. Marv then embarks on a journey to find out who killed Goldie. He goes to the local watering hole to try to find answers but doesn't really find any. This is when we get our first glance at stripper Nancy(Jessica Alba) who will play a bigger part later on in the second part of the "That Yellow Bastard" story. Anyway Marv just goes around tearing up the town for information. He goes to his parole officer Lucille(Carla Gugino) for information and eventually he finds himself in a confession booth in church. He then pumps a priest(Frank Miller) for info and then pumps him full of lead. If priest murder offends you, don't see this movie. He finds his way to the Roark family farm and then we get to meet Kevin(Elijah Wood). Yeah, after you see our little hobbit friend as Kevin, saving Middle Earth will become irrelevant. He is extremely creepy and effective as Kevin. Without spoiling this story, I will say it is great. Everyone in this part is great and you will feel for Marv as he tries to avenge his love.

Now the next part of the movie, that follows the storyline on "The Big Fat Kill," isn't the best in my opinon. I would not have shed a tear if they would have left this one out completely and just focused on "Hard Goodbye" and "Yellow Bastard." They put it in though and I watched it. Inm Olde Town, the hookers run the show. They are the law because of a truce that they have with the mob and the police. Jackie Boy(Benicio Del Toro) is trying to get into Shellie's(Brittany Murphy) house as this story starts out. Shellie has a house guest though in the form of Dwight(Clive Owen) who puts him in his place to say the least. After being humilated Jackie Boy decides to try and buy some lovin' down in Olde Town. Him and his crew pull up next to Becky(Alexis Bledel) and try to pursuade her to do stuff but they are denied. Dwight is hot on his tail though because he knows what he will do to the girls. He gets there only to be stopped by Gail(Rosario Dawson) and is reassured they can take of themselves. We are reassured when Jackie Boy pulls a gun and is then completely beaten down by the deadly Asian Miho(Devon Aoki). Gore aplenty in this section of the movie but we find out that Miho just killed a cop. Apparently Jackie Boy is a hero cop and that this could destroy the truce that the hookers and cops have. They try to dump the bodies but mercenaries show up and try to stop them. Manute(Michael Clark Duncan) randomly shows up as well but it's kinda pointless. The climax of this is a let down to say the least. Thankfully we still have one more story to wrap up and tie everything together...sort of.

Now the "Yellow Bastard" story is my favorite of the three stories in the movie. Anyway, after the encounter on the dock, Hartigan is in the hospital and is visted by Senator Roark (Powers Boothe) and is told he will be charged with the abduction of Nancy. Framed for abducting little Nancy, Hartigan is sent to jail. They try to get him to confess but he refuses to. He get's a letter from Nancy every Thursday for eight years straight then suddenly they just stop coming. One day a yellow man shows up, knocks Hartigan out, and leaves. When he comes to, he finds the same envelope that Nancy uses with a finger in it. He confesses to everything and is let out of jail with time served. He tracks Nancy to the Saloon where she dances and realizes that he screwed up. We get a cool car chase between Hartigan and Junior, who is now horribly disfigured from all the surgeory he went through. This all leads to the best part of the movie; The Hartigan/Junior showdown. The end of this is the most violent part in the movie and it made me cringe like a little girl.

Now after reading all of that, you'd assume I would just give this movie a 5 without giving it a second thought. Well you know what they say about assuming. This movie is not without it's flaws. One of the main flaws is the pacing. I felt like we were just rushing through the Marv storyline at the speed of light. Also character development wasn't the high point of the movie. Sure our main characters are fleshed out pretty well but one case seriously irked me. That case was Manute. Where did he come from? What does he want? The other flaw lies with some of the effects. I felt some of the CGI looked, and felt like, I was watching the old Adam West 'Batman' show. The part that stands out in my mind is when Wendy is trying to run Marv over. Also not every line in the comic had to be translated. Some lines belong to stay on the pages of the comic and do not need to be said out loud. Also, and my biggest gripe, was some of the acting; two cases in particular. One of those cases was the girl that played little Nancy Callahan. She was just, to say the least, awful. Get Dakota Fanning, she can do anything. Even for boy roles. Little boy in the Ring? Fire him, get Dakota Fanning. Seriously, Dakota Fanning should play every child role imaginable. And the second case of bad acting, Brittany Murphy. And one line really did it for me in her case. The line was "come any closer and I'll cut your little pecker off." Not only did that line not need to be translated to the movie, but she didn't need to be saying it.

Did it live up to the hype? Yes. Is it the best comic to screen movie ever? Yes. Is it the best movie ever? No, but that doesn't mean it isn't one incredible experience. Even with it's flaws you will still love every minute of it. Be forwarned though, this movie is the eptiome of violence. At one point I actually said, out loud, "Oh my sweet Jesus" as a man was impaled in the head with a hatchet. If you can take violence, you'll love it. Just make sure you turn off your phone....

Final Score
4.5/5

Mcnasty

04-04-2005, 12:15 AM

Not as good as I thought it would be but I liked it and I cant wait for the sequel.

AndrewLargeman

04-04-2005, 12:34 AM

Holy shit people, it's not that god damn complicated! First of all "The Customer Is Always Right" is in no way related to the other three stories. Josh Harnett's character The Salesmen is a hitman who refers to not his employers as his "customer" but the person whom he kills. Someone put a hit out on the Woman In Red (The Customer) and he has been following her recently curious on why someone would ever want a beautiful woman like that dead. The "I'll cash her check in the morning" quote refers to what he was paid to do the job. It's not literally "her" check. Has anyone else even read the short?

CyclicNightmare

04-04-2005, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by AndrewLargeman
Has anyone else even read the short?
I haven't but both you and Nachokoolaid claim to have read it and you are telling two different stories.

The Heart Collector

04-04-2005, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
*review*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/adlh01/madsen.jpg

ChemicalRomance

04-04-2005, 01:08 AM

Madsen you rate WAY too hard.

Nachokoolaid

04-04-2005, 01:26 AM

Ok, question!!!

Every review I have read...100% of them, says that Dwight is a private detective. Where the fuck did this come from? Was the press given bogus info? Why is every reviewer saying this?

I thought he was a murderer that had a facial surgery in order to change his appearance? So what's up with this.

And Cyclic, I think the Salesman thing is open to interpretation, but I was giving my interpretation of it.

ChemicalRomance

04-04-2005, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by Nachokoolaid
Ok, question!!!

Every review I have read...100% of them, says that Dwight is a private detective. Where the fuck did this come from? Was the press given bogus info? Why is every reviewer saying this?

I thought he was a murderer that had a facial surgery in order to change his appearance? So what's up with this.

And Cyclic, I think the Salesman thing is open to interpretation, but I was giving my interpretation of it.
I actually read somewhere he was a photographer.

Savage Henry

04-04-2005, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
I actually read somewhere he was a photographer.
He was a photographer for a 'detective', basically a guy who does business with wives with cheating husbands. But in the Big Fat Kill he's already gone back to his murderous lifestyle, so him being a photographer is a pretty minute detail and not really essential to that story.

Ron34

04-04-2005, 02:35 AM

This movie was good....REALLY GOOD!!

As a review i would give it an A

And yes, carla gugino is hot!!

Mystique963

04-04-2005, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
I actually read somewhere he was a photographer.

*MINOR SPOILERS*

I heard that he was a photographer somewhere too... i think it may have been from the Movie-List (http://www.movie-list.com) website. I didn't get any sort of hint from the movie that he used to be a photographer. I thought that it was interesting that he was probably the the one that we heard the least about his past out of all the main charactors. The only part of his past that we were told about him was that he has killed people and has gotten facial surgary... which I don't know why they told us that either, must be a part of the novels.

Got a question for people because everyone has made comments about the acting in it. Who did you all think did the best job with their charactor? I thought that some of the smaller parts were played well and some of them stood up to the larger ones. Just curious, give us something else to talk about than Josh Hartnett's charactor ;)

Nachokoolaid

04-04-2005, 05:11 AM

Powers Boothe rocked the fucking house with his small role.

Rutget Hauer was nearly as badass, but not quite.

For his wonderfully creepy presence alone, Elijah Wood. That stare is giving me nightmares. (Not really, but it kicked ass).

EvilEd

04-04-2005, 05:37 AM

I was really suprised by Elijah's performance. His eyes, those fucking eyes, wow, really great. And it was so nice to see Hauer back on the big screen and rule it with an iron fist. I'm a big fan of this guy, even if he doesn't do the best movie, he's got a great prescence.

moviegroupie

04-04-2005, 07:36 AM

*SPOILERS*

agree with most of what madsen has to say, namely the annoying ass narration with the ugly guy who loves goldie. it was a stupid premise there to seek revenge for a hooker. also , maybe im alone here, but the arrow thing was funny the first time, but then the guy in the sunglasses who got shot with it goes on and on "hello? can u take this out?" it seemed like an odd move Tarantino would take , and thats good, but the joke was dragged on far too long. and i didnt like the black guy whos in the whole nine yards with the golden eye

my favourite part is prolly clive owen when he says "you've already made a mistake, you forgot to flush" and gives him a dunking
the whole britanny murphy scene was fantastic in my eyes

*END SPOILERS*

moviegroupie

04-04-2005, 07:37 AM

i have a question -- owen's chucks were accentuated with red, was this in the comic books or was it a Rodriguez/Chucks exploitation?

EvilEd

04-04-2005, 07:40 AM

What the hell's a chuck?

Honestly, you kids and your slang words, it just gets ridiculous sometimes. ;)

And based on the Sin City books I've read, there isn't any color in any of them.

moviegroupie

04-04-2005, 07:45 AM

http://www.pickyourshoes.com/images/shoes/all_star_hi_red.jpg

EvilEd

04-04-2005, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by moviegroupie
http://www.pickyourshoes.com/images/shoes/all_star_hi_red.jpg

You couldn't just say shoes or Converses? ;)

And no, they weren't red as I don't think there was any color in any of the comics.

Hendrix

04-04-2005, 07:54 AM

This movie was simply fantastic. I loved each and every moment. Perfect visuals, perfect casting, perfect movie.

I just hope they release a kick-ass DVD the first time around, rather then trying to double-dip with this bad boy.

TheDeadWalk

04-04-2005, 07:58 AM

I was hoping to catch the two o'clock showing today before my monday evening class. But unfortunately the multiplex is only giving Sin City THREE showings, while every other film has four, or more.

Hitch, Beauty Shop, Guess Who, Ice Princess, Miss Congeniality 2, Robots, and the Pacifier: 4 showtimes

The Ring 2: 8 showtimes

Sin City: 3 showtimes.

#1 fucking movie in America, can you believe it.

chinton

04-04-2005, 08:28 AM

Madsen

Its too bad you ddint like it more.

Also I dont see whats so bad about the narration. Ill be honest I havent read the graphic novels but it seemed to fit what it was going for. Same goes for the plethora of hard boiled cliches in the film. I think the idea was to take these cliches and turn on their head. To me they did.

Also Tarantino only had one scene but it was great. Why was Owen imagining a dea d guy talking. Who knows? But it was funny as Hell and surprsiningly worked ina surreal way.

EvilEd

04-04-2005, 08:47 AM

Voiceovers are essential in Film Noir and the voiceovers in Sin City were very well done, especiall Hartigans.

bdubprod

04-04-2005, 08:47 AM

i, like almost everyone here, reviewed the film

Check it out here if you'd like. (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/journal_view.php?s=&journalid=207729)

bdubprod

04-04-2005, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Lynn7
My son saw this last night and loved it but when he told me some of the stuff that was in it it sounded totally disgusting. I will not be going to see this one.EWWWWW!

Free your mind!

Originally posted by Nachokoolaid
WOW. Out of all the things to be discussing about this interesting film, (like Alba refusing to go nude like the others) we are stuck on Hartnett's character.

Alba didn't need to go nude to make this movie as great as it was...so there is no need to talk about it...her being nude has nothing to due with the story. Sure it would've been a nice treat though ;) but no real need to discuss it.

The Heart Collector

04-04-2005, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by EvilEd
You couldn't just say shoes or Converses? ;)

And no, they weren't red as I don't think there was any color in any of the comics.

They're Chuck Taylor's, there's other Converse shoes which aren't Chuck Taylor's, I believe.

That, btw, is the most shameless advertising since fucking I, Robot.

EvilEd

04-04-2005, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
They're Chuck Taylor's, there's other Converse shoes which aren't Chuck Taylor's, I believe.

That, btw, is the most shameless advertising since fucking I, Robot.

I wouldn't call it shameless, hell I wouldn't even call it advertising. I didn't even notice his shoes or that they were red. The point of advertising is for people to see the product. I think I barely caught a glimpse of em. Now I, Robot, that was shameless, showing some sneakers on a guy is not shameless or advertising. What would you rather he be a fuckin hobbit and go barefoot? sheesh.

adamjohnson

04-04-2005, 09:21 AM

I liked the mvie alot, but in the beginning, during Michael MAdsen's part, I was getting REALLY worried about the picture. If all the acting in the film was as bad as his = :(

EvilEd

04-04-2005, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by adamjohnson
I liked the mvie alot, but in the beginning, during Michael MAdsen's part, I was getting REALLY worried about the picture. If all the acting in the film was as bad as his = :(

I know, it seemed like he was just reading the lines from a cue card instead of performing them. Which is weird, because usually the Madsen is very dependable. Guess he's a guy who needs real surroundings to put in a quality performance. I can't really blame him, he's on a blue screen stage with nothing there to interact with or help him.

moviegroupie

04-04-2005, 09:59 AM

i wasnt trying to sound cool by calling them "chucks" , thats just the only way i knew how to label them , and this was from recollection of i robot

Jimbo513

04-04-2005, 10:14 AM

I watched this film a second time Sunday, was still just as great.

Minor Spoilers

I liked the mvie alot, but in the beginning, during Michael MAdsen's part, I was getting REALLY worried about the picture. If all the acting in the film was as bad as his =

IMO it was meant to sound sorta cheesey. Especially the line "and you gotta bum ticker" His lines come off as bad acting but they make you feel like you're reading a novel. If you read those lines they would work. He delivered them in a way that screamed novel but worked in film. I thought it was good.

I think the guy who gets show in the midsection with an arrow worked great. Some people said it was awkward, but both times I saw the movie this scene elicited a laugh from the audience.

TYB came off as a furengi (spelling?) too much lol. He looked great on the screen, but I heard several people in the audience whisper "star trek" when he first appeared.

The best line in the movie? Forgive me if it's not word for word, but it was Marv who says. "I know it's pretty damn wierd to eat people"

And the whole hitman thing, someone has already cleared it up a bit. The phrase "cash her check in the morning" is just that, a phrase. At first I thought the same thing, the woman hired him to kill her, but it coulda ben the other way. Who cares though? It still works. The hitman is really the beginning and the end. He introduces the story and setting and he closes it. It works great.

Go watch it a second time guys, it's just as good if not better.

The Heart Collector

04-04-2005, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by EvilEd
I wouldn't call it shameless, hell I wouldn't even call it advertising. I didn't even notice his shoes or that they were red. The point of advertising is for people to see the product. I think I barely caught a glimpse of em. Now I, Robot, that was shameless, showing some sneakers on a guy is not shameless or advertising. What would you rather he be a fuckin hobbit and go barefoot? sheesh.

I haven't even seen the movie, but they seemed pretty blatant on the previews.

Mr-Blonde

04-04-2005, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Jimbo513
IMO it was meant to sound sorta cheesey. Especially the line "and you gotta bum ticker" His lines come off as bad acting but they make you feel like you're reading a novel. If you read those lines they would work. He delivered them in a way that screamed novel but worked in film. I thought it was good..

If you hadn't noticed, much of the Frank Miller scripted dialogue came off as "cheesey" in the film. Having read the books, I can tell you emphatically that it works better on the drawn pages then up on the screen. Specificallly the narrations.

Madsen's part was that of corrupt cop who unlike Hartigan doesn't give a shit about anything. Hence his lackadaisical delivery. It definitely wasn't his most memorable performance but it wasn't a bad one either.

Mr. HokeyPokey

04-04-2005, 01:09 PM

Just saw sin city last night

**!Spoilers!**

3/10

Simply the most over-hyped movie i've ever seen. Much like everybody else on this board (which allow me to introduce myself, Mr. HokeyPokey, long time viewer... first time poster) anyways, much like this board i was hypin' this movie real bad. Telling everybody how great it's going to be, how the cast is flawless and the directional effort seemed most original in the last 20 years.
Man was i mistaken! First of all none, NOT ONE! of the cast gave there own little spin, or style to the carecters, instead the charecters were borning, real boring. What's with seeking revenge for a hooker? They could have at least change the story up a bit for that, that was just rediculous. And how the yellow bastard came about, when i heard it was the senators son from the begininning i almost walked out of the theater. Lame, Lame, Lame. Alba as the little girl? Lame, Lame, Lame. Talk about a movie that dragged on and on and on like this sentence.

Next, the 3 points i did give this movie was strictly for the way the movie was filmed. The black and white with a little color every now and then was definitally cool, too bad it wasn't in a different movie. Also, they could have used a little bit for color if they were going to use some anyways. (What's with the red shoes, Advertising anyone?)

Next. I used to like clive owen but lately the man just cannot act. Closer (yeesh) and this was just a disgrace and really turned me off to him and any future project he may be involved with. Bruce Willis really needs to stop playing a cop. Hostage, Die Hard, Mercury Rising (not sure on that one.) Please just stick with McKlaine and come back for 4.0. Also, Since when was Alba a popular actress? She is god awful, same goes for rosario dawson. The two actors that even made this movie somewhat appealing at times was benico del toro, and britiney Murphy. They gave good performances, and always good to see del toro in a film (In my opinion, instantly makes a film cool.)

STOP THE GOD DAMN VOICEOVERS! It's okay to do a voice over for a thought or emotion every now and then, or even during the whole thing if done right (adaptation) but in Sin City it was just overly done, and not done well. It could be put into the ranks as annoying as the angles in battlefield earth. How about you let the charecters actually say something, instead of hearing what they think while they kill people.

3/10, Just one big mistake,

Hell at least it's a mistake that makes millions right? They're going to rape people with dvd double dipping.

silentasylum

04-04-2005, 01:50 PM

I'm still haunted by Jessica's Alba's character

movie as a whole=

ORIGINALITY AT ITS FINEST.

bdubprod

04-04-2005, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by silentasylum
I'm still haunted by Jessica's Alba's character

in a good or bad way? :D

The Heart Collector

04-04-2005, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey
*review*

Hey, Mr. HokeyPokey, there's something here I think you might be interested in seeing.

*waves hand*

Come on, man! Follow me!

*Heart Collector points at the garden outside the room*

Yeah, that's it. Right there where I'm pointing at. Go. Walk. You'll love it.

*Mr. HokeyPokey walks*

*Heart Collector closes door behind him and locks it*

Phew, guys. We're safe.

spacemonkey

04-04-2005, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by bob
-Casting Elijah Wood was a huge mistake. Kevin is not the least bit frightening, because when you see him you think alternately of Harry Potter and cute 'lil Elijah Wood.

This film holds no artistic merit.

Elijah Wood was sooo creepy! I loved his silent crazy look....I thought it was a great constrast to what we normally see him do.

As for the film holding no artistic merit...what? I know thats your opinion and all..but this movie is incredibly artistic. Its major strength is its visual style! I mean Millers writing is excellent and a real treat, but this film is above all other things a visually stunning movie, I had not seen anything as cool and different as this in a long time. Its a beautiful film to look at.

And for those complaining about the violence, I hate to break it to you guys but thats what Frank Miller is all about! Violence, Sex and the worst scumbags you can think of. Its part of the package! Its what he is all about.

ChemicalRomance

04-04-2005, 02:48 PM

Sin City (2005)

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Directed By: Robert Rodriguez and Frank Miller
Written By: Robert Rodriguez

Genre: Action/Crime
Running Time: 126 Minutes

Starring:
Bruce Willis (Hartigan)
Mickey Rourke (Marv)
Jessica Alba (Nancy)
Clive Owen (Dwight)

Rating: 10/10

Plot: Sin City is composed of 3 different stories. The first is the story of Marv (Mickey Rourke) who wakes up with a beautiful female "goddes" next to him who is now dead. For the rest of his story he does whatever he needs to do who find the person who framed him and the one who killed his true love. The second story is about Jackie Boy (Benicio Del Toro) and his gang of clowns who go around the streets of Oldtown looking for a good time, but don't realize that their ignorance is about to make a big mess. The third is about Hartigan (Bruce Willis), one of the only honest cops in Sin City who saves a young girl from being raped and then 8 years later must protect her from the same madman. What ensues is an exercise through film of: beautiful women, incredible scenery and gore and style by the bucketloads!

Review:

"It's time to prove to your friends that you're worth a damn. Sometimes that means dying, and sometimes it means killing a whole lot of people." -Dwight

I don't know how to start this review off correctly so I'm just going to flat out say it and not beat around the bush: Sin City is absolutely brilliant, in every aspect. A movie like this reminds me why I and others love movies so much in the first place. Around 3 or 4 months ago, this trailer came about and smacked me around like a shit attack during school and wouldn't leave my mind for weeks to come. The buzz on the internet was like a forest fire, spreading by the minute,only raising my excitment for April 1st when it would finally grace the silver screen and let me decide if the hype was justified, or if the movie fell into that dreaded category of movies that are simply: overhyped and overrated. Nothing's more dissapointing than that, so with high hopes for Sin City, I walked into the theater expecting to be blown away. Movie reviews start at a 10/10, and then as the movie goes on they go down, up, or just stay the same. Not once during Sin City did this movie drop even a .5 a point.

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Hartigan (Willis) taking a look around the bar.

Sin City is based on the graphic novels written by Frank Miller, who when he was with Marvel also penned the comics of Batman and Daredevil. One flourished in the film world with about 70 different sequels (Batman), while the other starred Ben Affleck gaurrenteing that it would suck beyond belief (Daredevil). So how does Sin City fair? Starting off with the acting, I'll talk about the main character of the first story. Mickey Rourke plays Marv, a man hellbent on revenge on whoever framed him and killed "Goldie" the "goddess" he had loved for one night. After his story finished I immediatley said to myself that his performance was one of the most badass that I have ever seen. His character is alive, he practically jumps off the screen. Every line is delievered with a perfection over an extremely well recorded narrative. Marv's story, known in the graphic novel world as "The Hard Goodbye" featured an absolutely chilling performance by Elijah Wood. Yes, Frodo! Wood gives a performance that few will forget for a while, truly creepy stuff. I won't go into detail about his character her, but when you see it, a few jaws may hit the floor. Or some piss into your pants. The rest of the cast in Marv's story is well rounded out, Jamie King is good as Goldie/Wendy and the rest of the females in the cast or not only hot, but put on believeable performances that don't feel like they were forced into the story. But Marv really steals the show in the films first story, putting on one of those performances that just makes you say "wow".

In the second story, we get a plethora of well done acting performances. Ranging from Clive Owen, to Benicio Del Toro, to Rosario Dawson. This second story is known as "the Big Fat Kill" and if my memory serves me right, it is the longest of the three stories. The main character of the second story is Dwight played by Clive Owen, who much like Rourke puts on one of those performances that reminds you why you see movies in the first place. His narrartive is chock full of brilliant dialogue and humor filled one liners like the toilet gag. I definitly feel that at least up until this point that Owen's performance is a little unappreciated. I thought his acting in Sin City was top notch and really had me smiling and really sucked into his precense every time he came on screen. The other leading male in the story is Jackie Boy who is played by Benicio Del Toro. I personally love everything Del Toro is in, and Sin City is no different. He delievers dialogue in that cool raspy voice, and his look is the epitome of sketchiness and it really makes you think: "man, what a dirtbag." The girls in the story are equally great in their acting parts and also very beautiful Rosario Dawson plays Gail, a hooker with an appetite for killing very well. By a huge standout to me was Devon Aoki who plays Miho, and while she has no spoken dialogue in the film, she is still incredible and eye opening every time she comes on screen. And no, not eye popping because of her looks...well, you'll see. The only really sore spot on the The Big Fat Kill is Brittany Murphy in a minor role of Shelly, because she will be talking normally and then BOOM, right there she's got this really thick New Jersey-esque accent. It kinda took away from the scene but besides that she was okay, and she was only in one scene, so it can't be that bad.

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Marv talking it out with his attorney.

The final story, and the shortest of the three is "The Yellow Bastard" a short, but effective tale with the main stars of Bruce Willis as Hartigan and Jessica Alba as Nancy. Bruce Willis is just as you think he would be, just fine, raggedy old man voice and awesome in the scenes where the focus is just him. Alba is absolutely beautiful and her acting is really pretty good, it actually suprised me. The final character is The Yellow Bastard who is played by Nick Stahl and is just awesome. They picked the perfect guy for this part, his voice matched the intensity and anger of the Yellow Bastard near perfectly. There isn't much more to say about this story, because even though it is short, it is still god damn awesome. Saying antyhing more about it would giving away too much so I can leave i at this: less quanity doesn't mean less quality.

The obvious difference between Sin City and your other movies is that this movie is shot in black and white and much like the recent film Sky Captain and The World Of Tommorow, it is all shot on green screen with the backgrounds added digitally in post production. Amazing thing is, the film only cost $40 million dollars to make, a rather small sum compared to other films being released, the main example being the fact that the shitfest SON OF THE MASK (!!) cost $100 million dollars to make. When people saw the previews for Sky Captain they just thought of it as "cool...but weird" and didn't know whether it would be good or not. I cannot say the same for Sin City, because the hype for this film and the now outcome of it's release (it's 1st at the Box Office with 28 million in it's opening weekend) has proved to be magnificent. Money making aside, the digital effects in Sin City are truly what landmark movies are made of. Not just the digital effects, but the style utilized by the effects. People immediately turned off by the black and white are missing out because the splashes of color in Sin City really add something. Blood on someones face somtimes appears red, while the rest of their body is black and white. Other times, a character is in full color, and then after a person walks by them, they may turn back into black and white. The splashes of color (especially the little ones like Clive Owen's red shoes) really add something to the movie and constnatly have you smiling at not only the creativity but the effectiveness and coolness of such little details. Besides the backgrounds being jaw dropping just about everything else with the effects is flawless. Explosions are vibrant and detailed. The attention to detail is up there wtih the best. You really get a sense of the sleaze in Sin City, along with the danger that lurks around every corner.

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I don't think anyone minds seeing Brittany Murphy (Shellie) in full color!

One thing that can be agreed on about Sin City is that it's not for everyone. Definitly. Not for the ill-humored or those who are squeamish to gore. Oh yeah, I don't think one female in this woman is wearing a "full" amount of clothing. Before I had seen this film I had read in the New York Times that Sin City "raises the bar way over Kill Bill for stomach churning versatility." That's an understatement. I'm amazed the movie got away with so much! There is gore at every turn in Sin City. Dismemberment, cannibalism, decapitations, catastration(s)!...I'm not even going to go on, because remember all the types of kills, or the kills period in thise movie is an impossible task. The movie definitly throws in a ton of humor, especially for the tough as nails Marv (Mickey Rourke). His quips are quick and laugh inducing, and the gags throughout the movie come at refreshing times and are always pretty damn funny. But like I said, not for everyone. The gore is not only pretty much scream-inducing, but it's insanely creative and done with such style, it almost makes you forgot that people are being brutally dismembered by swords, throwing stars, hatchets and things of that like. I won't go on, because saying more would be a crime but: if you're looking for a gorefest expect to be not only satisfied, but shocked too...becuase the gore here is like nothing you've ever seen. And as someone who's seen some movies that have gotten pretty messy, trust me, in Sin City, blood and guts comes out of the faucets in the sinks.

There is so much more I can say about Sin City, as if I haven't already. I could read this review over and rewrite it over a thousand times and still be unhappy because I left something awesome out. The basic message is that: Sin City can't be put into words how good it is. It's something that you've got to go out and experience for yourself, because it truly is something that only comes along every once in a long while. Truly a landmark film, Sin City combines style, jaw dropping effects, an incredible cast, 3 explosive stories with narratives that draw you in with their sharp dialogue, and just about everything else we love about movies. That includes more gore than you'll see in a year worth of watching movies, along with a whole lot of nudity, if you're a fan of that. But Sin City isn't just a film filled with gore and guts, it's a movie that sets the standard for true originality or creativity in the movie industry not only for comic book movies but for movies as a whole. My hat goes off to Robert Rodriguez and Frank Miller for giving me something I can really sink my teeth into and enjoy all the way through. I didn't want this movie to end. I was enjoying myself beyond words and I was so drawn into the settings and the characters. When the credits rolled, the only words I could come up with was that it was one of my favorite movies ever. Ever.

Final Thoughts: How amazing Sin City is cannot be expressed in words. The gore is the reason religious fundamentalists seem to be so busy. The style is what inspires people to be filmmakers. The digital effects show how faithful a movie can be to it's source materail, and the reason we like to see movies on that big, big, screen. Sin City is the reason I see movies. No review I could ever write about this movie will do it justice. Never. The only thinkg I can tell you to do is see it. See it, talk about it, enjoy it, and just be happy that such originality, creativity and awesomeness still lurks in the movie industry. Walk in and be prepared to be blown away. Do not wait for DVD. See this now. Don't waste another minute. This review is over, now go see it.

Kal-El76

04-04-2005, 02:54 PM

Well, I don't think I could have said it better myself. Its worth repeat viewings at the theatre.

I put it too, as a 10 on 10. I have not seen a better more engaging film myself.

Mr-Blonde

04-04-2005, 03:02 PM

Other than the georgous comic book/ film noir cinematography, the film's greatest strength is in it's casting. Clive Owen has a unique look to him that worked exceptionally well in the film. Who'd have figured that Elijah Wood could be so god-damned creppy?! And Del Toro was also awesome as Jackie Boy. Originally they were thinking about using Johnny Depp in the role. I'm glad that it worked out the way it did. The only weak link in the whole film was Brittany Murphy's awful performance. Mickey Rourke was fantastic as Marv. He gave a career performance IMO.

Most of my favorite scenes in the film have to do w/ Marv's story but without a doubt my absolutley favorite scene was when pez dispenser Jackie Boy was egging on Dwight. I didn't even know that QT had directed it at the time that I first saw it.

ChemicalRomance

04-04-2005, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Kal-El76
Well, I don't think I could have said it better myself. Its worth repeat viewings at the theatre.

I put it too, as a 10 on 10. I have not seen a better more engaging film myself.
You talking about my review? Heh, if you actually read it, bravo! It's way too long!

moviegroupie

04-04-2005, 05:20 PM

*APPRECIATION SPOILER*

when Marv is in jail getting assfucked, jk, when he's in jail and wendy comes to visit him , and he has an illusion that its goldie (in full colour) but soon discovers its just her twin sister (and goes back to b&w) that was an amazing effect :)

*END*

Mr. HokeyPokey

04-04-2005, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
Hey, Mr. HokeyPokey, there's something here I think you might be interested in seeing.

*waves hand*

Come on, man! Follow me!

*Heart Collector points at the garden outside the room*

Yeah, that's it. Right there where I'm pointing at. Go. Walk. You'll love it.

*Mr. HokeyPokey walks*

*Heart Collector closes door behind him and locks it*

Phew, guys. We're safe.

Safe? In my review i didn't tell anybody what to think of it, i expressed MY opinions. Not everybody is going to like it.... well let's hope so.

moviegroupie

04-04-2005, 05:44 PM

my friend told me that this one leaked on the net :( sorta disapointing , being that it took 40 million to make , and i dunno if it'll make any profit.

(this weekend it only got 28m)

Mr-Blonde

04-04-2005, 05:49 PM

Being that it's only the first weekend the movie's been released-- it should easily make the other 12 million to break even. I believe that by the time it's finished it theatrical run it'll have made 60 million.

Then it will continue to make money on DVD rentals/sales. Don't worry about it making it's money back.

Mr. HokeyPokey

04-04-2005, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by moviegroupie
my friend told me that this one leaked on the net :( sorta disapointing , being that it took 40 million to make , and i dunno if it'll make any profit.

(this weekend it only got 28m)

Even though i hated the movie, i can assure you it will go well over the 28 million mark. 28 mill in the first weekend is good, i'm guess it will gove a little over 50 when it's all said and done... and again all of you will be raped when it comes to the dvds and double dipping.

MadsenOMC

04-04-2005, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
Madsen you rate WAY too hard.

I knew that was coming. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I stand by everything I said. And you know what? I could easily turn that around and say that most people rate WAY too easy. How many reviews are 9/10 and 10/10? A lot.

Anyway, one thing I forgot to mention before. I don't know if this has been brought up already, but are we really supposed to believe that Willis is about 65 in the last segment? At the beginning Madsen says that Willis is pushing 60 (which got a lot of "what the fuck" laughs when I saw it) and then he spends eight years in prison. So are we honestly supposed to believe that Willis is around 65 years-old? Kind of a stretch, to say the least. And since Nancy is 19 and he met her when she was 11, well, that's just fucking revolting.

chinton, gotta disagree about the constant narration. It became annoying as hell after a little while, and it's poorly written. I don't think they turn the cliches on their head just because it's ultra-violent and in black and white. Cliches are still cliches, and there's a whole boatload of them here.

someguy

04-04-2005, 06:07 PM

EvilEd

04-04-2005, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I knew that was coming. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I stand by everything I said. And you know what? I could easily turn that around and say that most people rate WAY too easy. How many reviews are 9/10 and 10/10? A lot.

Anyway, one thing I forgot to mention before. I don't know if this has been brought up already, but are we really supposed to believe that Willis is about 65 in the last segment? At the beginning Madsen says that Willis is pushing 60 (which got a lot of "what the fuck" laughs when I saw it) and then he spends eight years in prison. So are we honestly supposed to believe that Willis is around 65 years-old? Kind of a stretch, to say the least. And since Nancy is 19 and he met her when she was 11, well, that's just fucking revolting.

chinton, gotta disagree about the constant narration. It became annoying as hell after a little while, and it's poorly written. I don't think they turn the cliches on their head just because it's ultra-violent and in black and white. Cliches are still cliches, and there's a whole boatload of them here.

I can buy Willis has a 60-65 year old cop. He's 50 as is, add a few more wrinkles and wala, 60.

Also, I suppose your not a fan of Film Noir since your main gripe is the narration. Well, that's very common in such a film. And badly written? Hello? It was all written by the greatest writer in comics. Say what you want, you may not like the narration, but it's exceptionally well written.

Cliches? What the hell are you talking about? If theres anything this flick ain't, it's cliche.

MadsenOMC

04-04-2005, 06:13 PM

Are you confusing the look of the movie with the story? Yes, the look is original, but the story is far from it. Do you realize that there is a huge difference? They are not one and the same. I have nothing against film noir, just poorly written film noir, or film of any genre for that matter. And I do not buy Willis as a 65 year-old. Sorry. He doesn't even look close to that age. And I disagree with you about the narration. It is not exceptionally well written. I'd say it is pretty poorly written overall. Is that OK with you? Am I allowed to not love Sin City? Jesus, get over it.

ChemicalRomance

04-04-2005, 06:13 PM

MadsenOMC

04-04-2005, 06:14 PM

But those are not my only complaints. I listed them in my original review. And I personally think that people are too easy. But thank you for respecting my opinion. I do appreciate that. And it's mutual.

ChemicalRomance

04-04-2005, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Are you confusing the look of the movie with the story? Yes, the look is original, but the story is far from it. Do you realize that there is a huge difference? They are not one and the same. I have nothing against film noir, just poorly written film noir, or film of any genre for that matter. And I do not buy Willis as a 65 year-old. Sorry. He doesn't even look close to that age. And I disagree with you about the narration. It is not exceptionally well written. I'd say it is pretty poorly written overall. Is that OK with you? Am I allowed to not love Sin City? Jesus, get over it.
He could pull of 65. You're making it sound like in no way, no shape, or no form did he look that old. I will admit myself that he obviously isn't 65 and cant pull it off to perfection...but you're saying that it's so outrageously off on the potrayl of a 65 year old, and honestly, I think that's kind of a ridiculous complaint.

Mr-Blonde

04-04-2005, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by someguy
LOL SIN CITY IS SHIT LOL

Seeing as were dogging the movie well before it came out-- it hardly suprises me see you post this. However you are definitely in the minority here.

EvilEd

04-04-2005, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Are you confusing the look of the movie with the story? Yes, the look is original, but the story is far from it. Do you realize that there is a huge difference? They are not one and the same. I have nothing against film noir, just poorly written film noir, or film of any genre for that matter. And I do not buy Willis as a 65 year-old. Sorry. He doesn't even look close to that age. And I disagree with you about the narration. It is not exceptionally well written. I'd say it is pretty poorly written overall. Is that OK with you? Am I allowed to not love Sin City? Jesus, get over it.

Did I mention the look? No, I was referring to the stories and characters. I think you may be thinking of archtypes and not cliches. And even then, the characters are not completely Noir archtypes, the majority of them can be categorized in different Noir archtypes, but they all have details that differentiate from the standard.

I don't have a problem with you saying it's poorly written or that you didn't like it, but your comments are so vague that I'm beginning to question if you even bothered viewing the picture.

someguy

04-04-2005, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Mr-Blonde
Seeing as were dogging the movie well before it came out-- it hardly suprises me see you post this. However you are definitely in the minority here.

Here Mr Blonde I think this will answer all of your questions (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm)

Just to note, I want to see the movie but the overhyping was getting on my nerves. A lot. And the pointless topics like "Sin City Gets 4 Stars" "Sin City gets 100%" "Sin City is in a projector" etc.

Mr-Blonde

04-04-2005, 06:29 PM

Sorry someguy--

Sarcasm is invisible on the net sometimes. I understand where you're coming from on the overhyping issue, but this is a movie that actually lives up to the hype IMHO.

MadsenOMC

04-04-2005, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by EvilEd
I don't have a problem with you saying it's poorly written or that you didn't like it, but your comments are so vague that I'm beginning to question if you even bothered viewing the picture.

See, now bullshit like this really pisses me off. Of course I fucking saw the movie. Did you read my original review? How much more detail would you like me to go in? Give me a fucking break and spare me these asinine accusations that I may not have seen the movie. I am sorry if you can't handle it that someone didn't cream their pants for this movie, but you need to get over it. Seriously.

And I stand by what I said about Willis playing someone who's 65. I think it is absolutely laughable and ridiculous. He looks closer to 40 than 65. I don't think it's a ridiculous complaint at all. And IMO, the story and characters are cliched. Very much so. Just my opinion. I don't think any of them really differentiate from the standard.

Mr-Blonde

04-04-2005, 06:41 PM

Mr-Blonde

04-04-2005, 06:49 PM

Meaning that a lot of people liked it enough to give it a 9 or a 10. Just because you didn't doesn't mean they're just "going too easy" on the film or whatever it is that you were insinuating.

MadsenOMC

04-04-2005, 06:49 PM

Yes. And?

MadsenOMC

04-04-2005, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Mr-Blonde
Meaning that a lot of people liked it enough to give it a 9 or a 10. Just because you didn't doesn't mean they're just "going too easy" on the film or whatever it is that you were insinuating.

No, it doesn't, just as me not being crazy about it doesn't mean that I am being too hard on it. Get my point?

DaMovieMan

04-04-2005, 07:02 PM

Well I can certainly understand why some people would HATE Sin City.

I'm actually thinking that Madsen here isn't being hard on the movie at all and a 6/10 isn't a bad grade for Madsen at all.

I have a couple of friends who totally hated the movie because they thought it was too cheesy and cliche'd, they thought the acting was bad, the dialogue was even worse and the only good thing they said about it is 'it looked nice at points'. And this is coming from a friend who loves comic books (although never got into Frank Miller).

So I can see why this doesnt appeal to people. Not everyone is going to love and adore Sin City like most of us here so we better get used to it and stop defending it.

I happen to be of the opinion that a disfigured man enacting revenge on a hooker that was nice to him, and finding that a canabalistic maniac and his father figure, a man of God, ate her her is pretty god damn original! Some people don't and they think its cliche.

A man with heart problem wants to do one good deed before he retires or dies and it happens to invovle the son of a senator rapist and a girl who is like a daughter to him. Cliiche? NO! Original but people like Madsen and my friends dont see it that way so its cool.

Anyway, Sin City is awesome. The only other two movies that can be better this year that SC are Batman Begins and The Fountain.

Cant wait to see this movie again and who knows? Maybe my opinion will change and i will see the movie as Madsen sees it.

DMM

Savage Henry

04-04-2005, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I knew that was coming. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I stand by everything I said. And you know what? I could easily turn that around and say that most people rate WAY too easy. How many reviews are 9/10 and 10/10? A lot.

Anyway, one thing I forgot to mention before. I don't know if this has been brought up already, but are we really supposed to believe that Willis is about 65 in the last segment? At the beginning Madsen says that Willis is pushing 60 (which got a lot of "what the fuck" laughs when I saw it) and then he spends eight years in prison. So are we honestly supposed to believe that Willis is around 65 years-old? Kind of a stretch, to say the least. And since Nancy is 19 and he met her when she was 11, well, that's just fucking revolting.

chinton, gotta disagree about the constant narration. It became annoying as hell after a little while, and it's poorly written. I don't think they turn the cliches on their head just because it's ultra-violent and in black and white. Cliches are still cliches, and there's a whole boatload of them here.
I actually thought Madsen had some valid points. Some of the reasons he gave for disliking the movie are actually my reasons for liking it, but I can understand where he's coming from. There are cliches in the story (the talking killeris a good example) but I thought they were all handled well and in a refreshing way (just because something is cliche does not necessarily mean it is bad).

As far as people disliking the constant V.O., I liked it because it gave layers to the characters. The movie was a good length but the stories were short, and I think the narration gave the viewer a good idea of what the character was all about in a short time.

Definitely Willis doesn't look that old, but I don't think thats too important... and not a reason to dislike the film. As far as the relationship between a 65 year old and a 19 year old being revolting, you should watch Harold & Maude.

I agree with Madsen about Murphy's acting but I didn't get why you didn't like Bledel's? I thought she was pretty good.

a 6/10 is still passing, so it's not that bad.

Mr-Blonde

04-04-2005, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
No, it doesn't, just as me not being crazy about it doesn't mean that I am being too hard on it. Get my point?

I get it. You hated it. That's fine, many other people probably hated it too. But it's also safe to say that many more enjoyed it.

I think that your arguments about the narrative sucking (which I thought was a little bit clunky) and Willis not looking old enough are weak reasons not to like Sin City. This is a direct translation of a story that is crammed full of narration. And sure-- I'll agree that it works better in the books than up on the screen but you need to keep it in its proper perspective. The character's actions in Sin City are fuled by the inner thoughts and motivations of these characters.

MadsenOMC

04-04-2005, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Mr-Blonde
I get it. You hated it. That's fine, many other people probably hated it too. But it's also safe to say that many more enjoyed it.

I think that your arguments about the narrative sucking (which I thought was a little bit clunky) and Willis not looking old enough are weak reasons not to like Sin City. This is a direct translation of a story that is crammed full of narration. And sure-- I'll agree that it works better in the books than up on the screen but you need to keep it in its proper perspective. The character's actions in Sin City are fuled by the inner thoughts and motivations of these characters.

But those are far from my only reasons for not loving the movie (which I did NOT hate, by the way), as I have already pointed out. Read my original review. I have many issues with the movie, not just Bruce's age and the narration. I know for a fact that more people enjoyed it than hated it, at least around here. All I was trying to get across is that me not liking it does not mean that I am being too hard on it, and it doesn't make my opinion any less valid. OK?

Savage Henry and DaMovieMan, thank you for respecting my opinion. It's appreciated.

bob

04-04-2005, 07:25 PM

A couple points I'd like to make...

1. Whoever said Clive Owen was terrible, I completely disagree. I thought his performance was one of the best parts of the movie. Sure, he's not as cool as Marv or as touching as Hartigan, but he's got that laid-back James Dean vibe that complemented his story perfectly.

2. Yeah, the story is completely made up of cliches/archetypes/whatever you want to call it. It's a great film, but the storytelling is NOT original.

3. It is visually beautiful. When I said it held no artistic merit, I meant it has nothing to say; no message to get across. This film is about hurting people, that's not a very intelligent subject.

I still really enjoyed the movie, but I thought I needed to bring those second two things up because I'm seeing a lot of reviews that basically just say "I'd sell my grandma to see this one more time".

The Heart Collector

04-04-2005, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey
Safe? In my review i didn't tell anybody what to think of it, i expressed MY opinions. Not everybody is going to like it.... well let's hope so.

Hint: It was a joke regarding people's reactions to negative reviews about Sin City.

Just like how, when Madsen posted with a 6/10, we all KNEW that it was just a catastrophe waiting to happen.

MadsenOMC

04-04-2005, 08:12 PM

I thought about not even posting a review and staying away from this thread altogether. I'm sure that would have made some people very happy. But then I thought, I love movies as much as anyone here. There's no reason I should stay away just because some people are going to take issue with my opinion on it and not like what I have to say. I did not try to start a catastrophe, believe me. I was not trying to provoke anyone. Just wanted to share my two cents like everyone else.

moviegroupie

04-04-2005, 09:44 PM

don't worry about the criticism you receive for criticizing movies -- some take movies like its a stab at their heart, family, or even the bible.

i get the same old shit from my friends, who love anything that projects on a silver screen, and i am far less critical than others.

keep reviewing, deep down even the haters respect what you have to say.

^sounds pretty "Street" eh?:D

Moviefan1234

04-04-2005, 09:54 PM

This is ridiculous. Everyone is coming down on poor Madsen as if he just ruined the only reels of the movie or something. The reason I didn't review it in this thread is because I was afraid you all were going to lynch me. I literally found the film to be boring, annoying, and downright stupid. It simply wasn't my cup o'tea. Just because someone doesn't like it, don't come down on them.

Iacon5

04-04-2005, 10:11 PM

i liked the movie. it had violence and blood and awesome characters. my one complaint was that some scenes made it seem a little bit over the top and kind of took me out of the movie

ex: marv getting run over by the car 3 times, each time flying 10 feat ing the air then getting right back up
marv and everybody else getting pumped full of bullets then shruging it off like nothing

i did't read the comics so i dont know if thats exactly what it looked like there but other that little stuff like that, an overall enjoyable movie.

sidenote: what was the song playing during alba's pole dance scene?

i know im going to get ripped for caring about the friggin music when i got the ass-tastic alba pole dancing on the big screen but i recognised it from the matrix trailer and i just cant find out what it is

ChemicalRomance

04-04-2005, 10:23 PM

Madsen, I respect your opinion even if I don't think your reasons necesarrily validate bringing the rating all the way down to a 6.

What I do wonder is...

What movies do you give 9/10 or 10/10?

MadsenOMC

04-04-2005, 10:26 PM

moviegroupie, Moviefan1234, good to know not everyone loved the movie and that not everyone wants to tear me a new one. I appreciate what you both said a whole lot. Glad you both spoke up.

MadsenOMC

04-04-2005, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
What movies do you give 9/10 or 10/10?

You want me to send you a PM with movies I've given those ratings to? I would be more than happy to if you're at all interested. I know it may seem hard to believe, but I have given that rating to movies.

ChemicalRomance

04-04-2005, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
You want me to send you a PM with movies I've given those ratings to? I would be more than happy to if you're at all interested. I know it may seem hard to believe, but I have given that rating to movies.
I'm not saying you've never given it, but I'll be honest, heh, I'm pretty curious as to waht movies you've given them too.

I think you should post it here, I think others are interested.

JCPhoenix

04-04-2005, 11:21 PM

Well I have to pipe up now...

Also, I suppose your not a fan of Film Noir since your main gripe is the narration. Well, that's very common in such a film. And badly written? Hello? It was all written by the greatest writer in comics. Say what you want, you may not like the narration, but it's exceptionally well written.

The narration is very comic-book style which means it may have been brilliant on the page but it sounds absolutely ridiculous when read out. If one is talking in film terms - the dialogue is not very well written, imo. However, because the whole purpose of the film was to literally make a moving comic book, I can forgive the movie that because it's just an element of a comic book that doesn't translate very well to film. Besides which, I got used to it after about 20 minutes and it didn't bother me too much after that.

Generally, regarding how one has to keep things in perspective because of their source material...Personally, I don't give a shit about the source material. It's been translated to a film medium so it should work in a film medium. That's that.

However, in this case, I can accept that this is supposed to be more a translation of a comic book into moving image rather than a pure film and so I watch it thinking like that instead of conventionally.

Oh and the storyline is all assorted cliches that have been melded together, for sure. What is good about this (imo) of course is that it is done pretty effectively. I expect those cliches from a film noir genre in general anyway. It wouldn't feel like one without those characters.

Secondly, I'm wavering between a 7-9/10 for the film (I have to see it again) but I see many of MadsenOMC's points as being absolutely valid, even if I don't agree with every single one of them. I don't understand why people can't just leave his views be. It's his opinion so...why are people so hung up on it? He didn't like it as much as everyone else. Okay. If everyone liked the same films, the world would be a boring place. Seriously. There wouldn't even be movie discussion boards anymore cause everyone would agree on the same things.

My own thoughts about the film...visually stimulating but I'm not a hundred percent blown away by it...it's one of the few films that it's hard for me to gauge my reaction to it immediately after which is why I do need to see it again before i comment. Perhaps one of the reasons why it's so hard for me to come up with a firm rating is because of the three storyline structure (and the fact that the storylines are somewhat skimpy) and, quite simply, the unconventionality of the project. Whatever the case, I can freely admit that this was the most unique film I've seen in a while...it didn't even feel like a "film" to me.

But i did like how it completed things with Hartnett's character and Becky...that was a great ending. I also liked a lot of the characters...as stereotypical and one dimensional as some of them were due to their limited screentime, I expected that in a way because it's literally suppoed to be a comic book in motion. Most characters generally are defined by just a few strong characteristics and nothing else (ie: Kevin, Mia (sp?)) which, in a way, makes them even more memorable. Those simple but key characteristics are what we remember most anyway. I liked the ending of the Hartigan story. I liked Elijah Wood's unnerving performance as Kevin (especially when he looked down slowly and then looked back up at Marv...creepy).

There wasn't that much substance to this movie overall...but like the first Kill Bill, the sole reason to see it is for its pure style. And that's where Sin City excels.

So, my overall gut feeling is that this movie belongs in the range of 7-9/10, most likely leaning towards an 8. It didn't blow me away, and it has storyline problems (mainly that it's skimpy) and it also ca'nt build to one big climax like normal films generally do, but I can forgive that (again).

Basically, there's a lot fo things in this film which would normally bring it down to a 5 or 6/10 but because its not meant to be a true film but rather a translation from the comic book medium, it was more about the entertainment level and the style and I peg that at around an 8 right now. But that's not a firm thing until I see it a second time at least.