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LordSimen
03-29-2005, 07:02 PM
Yeah, I know most people will most likly castrate me for this, but... I hate Venom with a bloody passion!

Well, maybe not Venom, he's a decent villian, but more like the damn fanbase he has!

I mean sweet jesus, everytime there's news about a Spider-man movie everyone is pissed because Venom is not involved. He is a Villian that Debuted in the 80's, when comic books were a dying breed, and I give him credit for getting people back into Spidey again.. But I don't believe he is anything special! He's the cliche evil twin of the hero. I've seen that a million times. Every comic book has one, even Sonic! But for some reason Venom becomes the most popular out of all them. Why? Because his he has big teeth and a long tongue? Lizard has that. Because he can mold his body into shapes? Sandman has that. Is it because he's got all of Spider-man's powers? That's nothing special. Anyone can take Spider-man, paint him black, and say "Hey, here's a new villian!"

And what is with Carnage? They couldn't make the evil twin evil enough so they made an evil twin of the evil twin? What the hell? Then Carnage gets bloody popular too! I mean, jesus, all they are are clones of Spidey! How is that exciting? Doc Ock, Lizard, Mysterio, Chameleon, Rhino, Vulture, all these guys have been around since the 60s! They've been developed and changed with the times as things go on. They've paid their dos. Why must Venom be put ahead of all of them?

And Venom is not Spider-man's Arch Nemesis. He is not his Joker, he is not his Lex Luthor. As cool as he is visually, he hasn't done anything to hold that position. So he's eaten a few brains, brainless zombies do that! Green Goblin is his Arch Nemesis. Harry and Norman. Norman killed Peter's first love. No, he made Peter kill her himself. (He dropped her off the bridge, Spidey tried to catch her with his webs, the webline caused a whiplash and broke her neck.) He's played mind games with Parker and his family/friends. He's ruined his life on numerous occasions. He's the arch nemesis through and through. (Which is most likly why Raimi chose to develop Harry and Norman first.)

And last but not least... All the hate for other villians. I can understand hating someone like Vulture, he isn't very visually exciting and his character isn't much... But why all the hate for Lizard, Sandman, Mysterio? These characters all have great traights in 'em! Why would it be a bad thing to put these in the movies? I can understand the argument behind Mysterio, because there wouldn't be many visually exciting fights (he'd do best as a side villian), but come on. These other guys can be visually exciting too and be worked to be great characters if their current ones don't work well as it is. Look at how well Ock looked!

Yeah, I know, you probably all hate me now. And I know it's a shittily structured rant. Go easy on me. :(

jackson13
03-29-2005, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by LordSimen
Norman killed Peter's first love. No, he made Peter kill her himself. (He dropped her off the bridge, Spidey tried to catch her with his webs, the webline caused a whiplash and broke her neck.)

As someone who's never read a Spiderman comic, is this a spoiler for Spiderman 3? Or 4? Because, not everyone has read the comics and I really didnt want to know Mary Jane dies sometime in the near future unless I was to see it for myself in a movie.

LordSimen
03-29-2005, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by jackson13
As someone who's never read a Spiderman comic, is this a spoiler for Spiderman 3? Or 4? Because, not everyone has read the comics and I really didnt want to know Mary Jane dies sometime in the near future unless I was to see it for myself in a movie. '

His first love was a girl named Gwen Stacey. And no, I doubt that is a spoiler for Spiderman 3 or 4, because the Gwen Stacey/Bridge thing was played out in 1 with Mary Jane instead and in that version Mary Jane lived.

So you have nothing to worry about.

adamjohnson
03-29-2005, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by jackson13
As someone who's never read a Spiderman comic, is this a spoiler for Spiderman 3? Or 4? Because, not everyone has read the comics and I really didnt want to know Mary Jane dies sometime in the near future unless I was to see it for myself in a movie.

No he means Gwen Stacy. The bridge scene in SM1 is very similar to the scene where Gwen died, which is why it was there.

CyclicNightmare
03-29-2005, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by jackson13
As someone who's never read a Spiderman comic, is this a spoiler for Spiderman 3? Or 4? Because, not everyone has read the comics and I really didnt want to know Mary Jane dies sometime in the near future unless I was to see it for myself in a movie.
Kirsten Dunst won't do more than 3.






Whoops.

Harry Warden
03-29-2005, 07:52 PM
I hate his origin but I think he's one of the best villains Spiderman has ever faced....

He's the best out of all the Ultimate villains though. Great and sad origin....kick ass design. Not just a black Spiderman anymore....He friggin eats people!

LordSimen
03-29-2005, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Harry Warden
I hate his origin but I think he's one of the best villains Spiderman has ever faced....

He's the best out of all the Ultimate villains though. Great and sad origin....kick ass design. Not just a black Spiderman anymore....He friggin eats people!

I do agree the Ultimate version did improve upon a lot of my problems with him.

Harry Warden
03-29-2005, 08:14 PM
I grew tired of the old Venom after a couple issues....More of the same....always.....And I hated the F4 tie-in......Maximum Carnage was great though....


I stopped reading Amazing Spiderman about 2 years ago, I loved the movies and wanted something looking like that....Enter Ultimate Spiderman.....The addiction is back.

I love Ultimate Venom....I nearly orgasmed reading his issues.....Can't wait for his comeback soon. Too bad Bendis wasn't more precise.

I must say that I prefer Carnage as Kletus Kassady however. Ultimate Carnage is a great idea but......
*comic spoiler*



He killed Gwen Stacy...My fav character! Damn!



Also I must add that I disliked Ultimate Electro.....The costume is better but it's still crappy.

therealjohng
03-29-2005, 09:35 PM
Venom=The greatest Spiderman villian ever.








Him or Carnage.

Harry Warden
03-29-2005, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by therealjohng
Venom=The greatest Spiderman villian ever.








Him or Carnage. YEAH!!!!!!

Badbird
03-30-2005, 02:06 AM
So everyone bitches about Venom not in the movie? Kinda like all the fans bitching that Gambit isn't in any X-Men movies.

If they can make his origin fit in the movie, Venom would be the way to go. You don't want to rehash the first two movies - go dark.

Shockwave
03-30-2005, 09:38 PM
Venom would be cool, but id settle for HOBGOBLIN. I always preferred him to the Green Goblin, in costume and in his mercenary attitiude.

DaMovieMan
03-30-2005, 10:32 PM
I like Venom for a couple of reasons:

he despises Spiderman like no one else.
He has a psychologically dark history than any other.
He is cannabalistic and psychotic more so than Goblin, Sandman or anybody.

and let's face it....he has one of the coolest villain names and looks cooler than 95% of comic book villains.

The only other villain that can stand beside Venom is Doc Ock who is suffers from cliche backstory but has those mesmerizing tenticles that are priceless.


Why I HATE Sandman and Lizard...

Sandman sucks because of what he is. Sand? What the fuck is so cool or interesting or intriguing about fucking sand? I hate sand. So here they take a very natural human thing that a lot of see and know and make a villain out of it. Not so cool when compared to scientific, alien costumes that have a life of their own.

Same goes for the Lizard. As soon as I saw (watched the cartoons, not read the comics) this guy for the first time I laughed my ass off. I agree that they can make him look really sinister on screen, but when you think about it...a very un-original idea.

Spiderman suffers from crappy villains with crappy powers and crappy backstories...which is where Venom comes in and starts eating people because he's psychologically fucked up. Boom.





DMM

therealjohng
04-02-2005, 05:27 PM
Venom looks like the beast that Rutger Hauer is trying to kill in that one sci-fi movie, Split Second. That movie kicks ass.

Spiderman_Cavy
04-14-2005, 07:43 AM
I like Venom. Do I think he's Spidey's greatest Villain..Hell no! But he is a formidable opponent for the web-head.

I'm also sick of all this ranting that Venom isn't in a Spidey movie..blah blah.

My opinion is that Venom would be a good story...for a Spider-Man 5 sequel.

Sandman, The Rhino, The Lizard, The Hobgoblin, Kraven The Hunter, Elctro..even The Vulture. Spider-man has such a long history of villains that I'd feel cheated if I saw Venom on the big screen before the other classic villains.

In any case..I'm sure Sam Raimi won't disappoint us. But then again, I'm biased to teh Spidey movies, lol.

kamisama
04-14-2005, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by therealjohng
Venom looks like the beast that Rutger Hauer is trying to kill in that one sci-fi movie, Split Second. That movie kicks ass.

That movie is awesome. The only part I always remember (I can't remember the whole movie, but that part stays), is the part where the guy gets stuff carved into him. That was messed up.

combat_rock81
04-25-2005, 02:14 PM
I wouldn't mind Venom being used if they drew their inspiration from the Ultimate version. The idea of Spidey going into space and getting the symboite might be a bit farfetched for the movie audience ;)