who thinks hollywood has made horror movies into comedy?

[iamda125]

i remember when i first started watching characters like jason, freddy, mike and even chucky. i was terrified as shit. now hollywood is making sequels with these icons(nay chucky)and they are cheesy. the premises dont fit the characters persona. NOES films are full of lame one liners from freddy(ditto on chucky). freddy was the best in part one.as far as F13th films they should always have him in the same setting. if aint broke dont fix it-- wash his ass up stream to a new wooded area.mike meyers still has family members to knock off.if he was smart enough to find laura strode in h20 he can find rest. these japenese horror films out put our horror films to shame. they are scary. dont get me wrong i would watch a sequel to every film mentioned, but as true horror fan i wish hollywood wood get it right. take it back to the old school.






who agrees or disagrees?

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by iamda125
i remember when i first started watching characters like jason, freddy, mike and even chucky. i was terrified as shit. now hollywood is making sequels with these icons(nay chucky)and they are cheesy. the premises dont fit the characters persona. NOES films are full of lame one liners from freddy(ditto on chucky). freddy was the best in part one.as far as F13th films they should always have him in the same setting. if aint broke dont fix it-- wash his ass up stream to a new wooded area.mike meyers still has family members to knock off.if he was smart enough to find laura strode in h20 he can find rest. these japenese horror films out put our horror films to shame. they are scary. dont get me wrong i would watch a sequel to every film mentioned, but as true horror fan i wish hollywood wood get it right. take it back to the old school.
Okay now either I don't understand or your post makes no sense. How are the sequels "movies hollywood fucked up" and the originals are not? Hollywood kicked in after the originals? Huh? I also remember Friday 6 (the best Friday movie in my opinion) being heavy on the humor. Humor is also the best thing that's happened to the Chucky movies. Freddy Vs. Jason was nearly humor free and that's totally 'hollywood', right?

I must say I am completely confused. So the Friday/Nightmare/Halloween sequels (from the 80's) are 'hollywood'? They're not 'old school'?

[iamda125]

hollywood does not followup with horror. they to make comedy of out original horror

[iamda125]

part 3 was the best also

[Dead]

First, I don't think you can compare any of the big names you mentioned.

The first nightmare had some comedy but it was effective and didn't detract form the film because it was delivered in a dark fashion.

As for Chucky, eh....to each his own. I personally think they should have stopped after the first (and even the first wasn't all that great).

Jason - I think the first and second are the best. Don't forget that all of the sequels had a huge cult following (and will continue to) and it's only natural that sequels fizzle out as they go along.

The Shape - what can I say, the first Halloween is my favorite horror film of all time, period. The movie still freaks me out to this day and in my opinon there should have never been any sequels but you know how it goes.

As for the Japanese films, I do like them but they all seem to follow the similar "nappy hair covering a dead girls eye" theme. One of these flicks was enough. Of course there are other Japanese horror films that cover different material but I wouldn't go as far as calling them the best (again, personal opinion).

The comedy used in horror films can go either way: completely stupid and unsatisfying or dead on right to the point sick and disturbing.

[Cronos]

i agree with the NOES sequels (although they were fun), having Freddy spurt jokes all the time really ruined what could have been a creepy character.

as for the FT13 films, i dont mind if they move Jason around a bit, such as into space, since it creates a different look for the film and isnt just a straight rehash of all the other films

with Halloween, they should have killed the Myers story after part 2 (although 1 would have been better) and continued with what they initially intended with the rest of the films after part 3. i just find Myers to be a boring character

i agree with the Japanese films, the few ive managed to see (mainly the Ringu films) have creeped me out a lot and seem to be doing what Hollywood should be doing.....making horror that is actually scary

[iamda125]

i never said the japenese were the best horror film makers but at this point time their movies are scary. please name me the last horror film u seen thats up to date and had u chilled. please dont say ammityville because the originals are shitty. i haven't seen the remake yet though.

[Dark_One79]

Originally posted by iamda125
i never said the japenese were the best horror film makers but at this point time their movies are scary. please name me the last horror film u seen thats up to date and had u chilled. please dont say ammityville because the originals are shitty. i haven't seen the remake yet though.

Huh?

The last horror movie that had me "chilled"? Hmmm.

Tough, because now I am an adult and movies don't really scare me.

And the whole part about "don't say ammityville because the originals are shitty...". With the hardcore horror fans you have in here, most are not going to say the last horror movie that was effective for them was the 1979 film in question. You did know that, right?

I guess I don't really understand your logic.. in any of your posts.

[iamda125]

okay once and for all let me clear myself up. when i referred to amittyville i was really talking about the remake. the originals were garbage so the remke couldnt be far off. NOES and childs play would have been much better without corny one liners. they should kept to the characters original personas. they went from pure slashers to comic relief. the comedy in f13th is that jason moves away from the very setting that he was born from. how much better can it get then a mindless supernatural zombie killing teens in the woods. cmon manhattan and goes to hell threw the storyline way off and lest not forget jason x. i can agree that halloween should have been done with after part two but it wasnt. the storyline went from merking off family members to internet treasure hunt -- funny huh? of course as grown men and women we are not going to shit and piss ourselves, but its some flicks that u watch and try to anticipate the next move and u get the unexpected. most horror nowwadays the expected always happens. i could only refer to a couple titles because the list would be longer, so hopefully now i hope u all get my point. i am not a basher , i am thorough and faithful fan and this is my opinion. maybe these films lack because they cant produce them with as much gore anymore?

[Shockwave]

..i just think its funny that Shaun of the Dead had more frightening moments in it then AVP, Resident Evil 2, and The Ring 2 put together.:D

[iamda125]

Originally posted by Shockwave
..i just think its funny that Shaun of the Dead had more frightening moments in it then AVP, Resident Evil 2, and The Ring 2 put together.:D


finally someone is getting what im saying.:)----- i wasnt completely talking about 80's and 90's flicks

[Dead]

Originally posted by iamda125
i never said the japenese were the best horror film makers but at this point time their movies are scary. please name me the last horror film u seen thats up to date and had u chilled. please dont say ammityville because the originals are shitty. i haven't seen the remake yet though.

Actually, I owe you an apology about the Japanese films. I definitely wasn't saying that you thought they were the best, I was mainly commenting on my view of them - my fault for not being more clear.

As for the last time I was "chilled" well, to be honest it doesn't happen that often but I will give credit to the Pang brothers (for what it's worth, they're not Japanese) for freaking me out with "The Eye".

[Dark_One79]

Hey iamda125, first, welcome to the boards. My fault for not saying that the first time.

I was just confused by the tone and content of some of your initial posts. I hope you don't interpret my feedback as overly negative. If so... sorry. Horror fans must stick together.

Just like you I have been completely digging all the Japanese releases over the last few years. I've been a huge fan of Battle Royale (not horror, I know), Ringu, The Eye, The Grudge, Suicide Club, etc.

Don't discount American horror however. Keep searching. Half the fun of being a horror fan is discovering that gem that most people haven't stumbled upon yet.

Good luck.

BTW, I haven't seen the Amityville "remake" either. But don't judge it until you have seen it. It's all about the credibility on this one. Hmmm, this might be one of those rare movies where it is okay to judge it before seeing it however. Yes, I am confused.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Oh, Important what he said. Don't think that these are all negative "blargh!!" boards. In fact, it's the friendliest and healthiest eviroment to discuss movies (beware of countchocula talking about how Underworld needed more nudity though).

That is, unless of course you break a rule or say that I'm not as great as I am (or think I am, if you may), if so, hold on to your limbs!

[iamda125]

Originally posted by Dark_One79
Hey iamda125, first, welcome to the boards. My fault for not saying that the first time.

I was just confused by the tone and content of some of your initial posts. I hope you don't interpret my feedback as overly negative. If so... sorry. Horror fans must stick together.

Just like you I have been completely digging all the Japanese releases over the last few years. I've been a huge fan of Battle Royale (not horror, I know), Ringu, The Eye, The Grudge, Suicide Club, etc.

Don't discount American horror however. Keep searching. Half the fun of being a horror fan is discovering that gem that most people haven't stumbled upon yet.

Good luck.

BTW, I haven't seen the Amityville "remake" either. But don't judge it until you have seen it. It's all about the credibility on this one. Hmmm, this might be one of those rare movies where it is okay to judge it before seeing it however. Yes, I am confused.


no hard feelings whatsoever

[mikemuncer]

It might be worth watching Session 9 if you haven't seen it, for some interesting, different, American CHILLS.

I agree with what you mean about the sequels getting pretty lame. Halloween was the worst. Why not just kill the bastard at the end of the original? :p

[deep_red101]

Hmm, recent horror has taken on lighter comedy after the self-referential jokes were revived with Scream.

To answer your question, iamda125, I felt "chilled" by 28 Days Later. I can't remember any blatant attempts at trying to be funny for the sake of being funny. It was full-on terror.

[HeavyFknMetal]

I remember when Freddy Vs. Jason came out awhile back and that was the time my friends and I decided it would be fun to rent all the Elm Street and Jason movies. Now around the 3rd or 4th in both the series the stories and gags just started to get ridiculous. I also read somewhere that the Jason movies after the 4th one or so, the directors just started spoofing there own movies and really just stopped giving a shit.

Horror movies have always had somewhat comedic elements in them going way back to the 50's. Cult classics such as The Blob and movies like that were your weekend drive in movies that were made to entertain you and attempt to hopefully shock you in some way. You have you're movies like Halloween and your first Friday the 13th, and Nightmare on Elmstreet, but then you have your AVP's, and Screams. AVP wasnt out to scare anyone it was just an action movie where the characters were Aliens. Movies like Scream, and Cursed (which is so bad I'd rather watch Pauly Shore) they're out to spoof 70's horror films and arent really meant to be scary in the first place.

[TheDeadWalk]

I think since the mid to late 1980s, the general film-going audience that casually pops into this or that horror film is going in expecting to see nothing brilliant.

They're not expecting to turn their brains on, or follow within some complex story. They're wanting something to where if they get up and go get more popcorn or take a shit and come back to sit down they haven't missed anything.

If you start putting complex stories within a horror film, people get bored. They get antsy. Filmmakers know they can't just have people get killed from start to finish, so they need some fillers in to make the run-time feature length.

So instead of a good story, you'll see cliche stereotype blond with her boyfriend telling him that she's not ready to have sex with her boyfriend yet, and he gets all pissed cause he's got the blue balls, and then right in the middle of that the dorky freckle faced friend will pop out with a strap on across his forehead and say "Hey Danny, I'm ready ta fuck! Bend over and take two in the ass like your old man!"

The crowd laughs and eats up some more popcorn, and the attention span is reset until the next laugh or the kills start happening.

I guess you can blame it on Hollywood, but I think it's just been so much shitty R rated horror, or just the fact that R rated horror can't hardly ever bring in 100 mill to the box office, so their funds are limited and they'll try to hit their target audience.

Meanwhile, George Romero puts out his fourth film and we get "DAHHHHHH THIS AIN'T A HORROR MOVIE... DAHHHHH I WANT MORE ZOMBIES FIGHTING HUMANS... DAHHHHHHHHH... THIS IS STUPID... DAHHHHHHHHHH" then they proceed to go home and watch Resident Evil 2 so they can feel better about zombies vs. humans again.

[iamda125]

i agree the deadwalk. eloquiently put and i thougt i was making a mute point. i think if i had the writing skills i could make some a very good script and send horror in a different direction.

[Joshmo]

Why do people think this is something new? :confused:

1935: Bride Of Frankenstein used humor

and the first time all horror icons were sent up for laughs was in 1948.. A&C Meet Frankenstein

Dracula, Frankie, Wolfman and even the Invisible man...

A&C also parodied

Invisible Man
Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde
The Mummy

This isnt nothing new. ;)

[iamda125]

Originally posted by Joshmo
Why do people think this is something new? :confused:

1935: Bride Of Frankenstein used humor

and the first time all horror icons were sent up for laughs was in 1948.. A&C Meet Frankenstein

Dracula, Frankie, Wolfman and even the Invisible man...

A&C also parodied

Invisible Man
Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde
The Mummy

This isnt nothing new. ;)


im 25 and im not talking about tinseltown. abbott and costello are way before my time. and im not talking about parodies. im talking about so called horror movies of this era.