Your thoughts on Superman Returns?

[ak]

There's a distinct lack of Superman related threads on the forums, and while I do regularly peruse superherohype.com's forums, they obviously attract a focused fan-group. It's my aim to basically find out what you all think of this film, from the cast, to the suit and the newly released logo.

http://usera.imagecave.com/Ali_c/supes.paint.jpg

Thus far, I am very happy from what I have heard from the film, especially from the positive reviews of the Comic Con footage. I still feel that the suit is extremely lacklustre, however. Quite what Singer and the crew were thinking when they changed the classic red to a bergundy-shade baffles me. Okay, tone it down, but don't change the colour completely.

I feel I can better discuss the film once you reply to this thread, so whatever your opinions, share em'.

Edit: Also, check out THIS (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189920) thread for a really good fan-made trailer.

[Shockwave]

Ill be back in this thread when they show something worthy of being thought about.

As is the only thought i have is that its probably gonna kick X3s ass.:)

[DestructioN]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Ill be back in this thread when they show something worthy of being thought about.

As is the only thought i have is that its probably gonna kick X3s ass.:)

I agree....little early to have a solid talk about this one yet.

But, so far, they got enough to spark my interest. If they can keep this up, I'll be REALLY pumped by the time the movie hits theatres.

[cocksmokinclerk]

i agree with destructioN and shockwave, but i am excited as fuck for this movie, although i did have some complaints with the pic of the costume, the chest shield should be a bit bigger, but other than that, i'm excited!!!!

[Thrizzle]

Why did his costume have to be maroon and blue? All we wanted was red; red i tell you!! RRRREEEEDDDD!!!!!!

[alexia]

My excitement keeps gaining more and more for some reason and Spacey and Singer working together is a terrific partnership.

[Cronos]

Originally posted by alexia
My excitement keeps gaining more and more for some reason and Spacey and Singer working together is a terrific partnership.

its the opposite for me, i currently have absolutely no interest in this and since X3 seems to be going down the shitter i would have preferred Singer to have stayed to do that film instead

[Mr. Gray]

pics so far for anyone who hasn't seen them....

http://www.bluetights.net/gallery/albums/promotional/supershield.jpg

http://www.bluetights.net/gallery/albums/cast/brandon/superman.jpg

http://joblo.com/newsimages1/con-superman.jpg

http://www.bluetights.net/gallery/albums/cast/kate/Lois01.jpg

....i can't lie, i'm pretty hyped to see this flick. Singer is a great director, and i generally don' have any worries about whether this will actually suck. i mean, c'mon, Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor?? 'ya can't fuck with that!!

[soda]

too much emphasis, in any superman discussion to this point, centers on the suit. Who cares about the suit, it's just a suit, Bryan singer's job is to get the right take on the man inside it. The writing, the acting, the directing and the execution will make or break this film, not the suit.

Anyone who was at Comicon, and who saw the footage that Singer showed, should have absolutely no doubt in thier mind that this will be a great movie. Not just a great superman movie, but a great movie, period. Every single person in that room had the exact same reaction to the footage: WOW! (of course, the audience was heavily biased).

For those of you who still have doubts about Singer, and such, I would recommend that you pick up more of his work, and give it a whirl, before you make up your minds. He's doing a run on Ultimate x-men in the next month or so, and that should be well worth picking up, so if all the news on X3 has got you bummed, get down to your local comic book store and pick up Singer's x-men book, and read the xmen the way they should be written (Wonder Woman, and serenity, director Joss Wheddon's "astonishing xmen" is an unbelieveable comic, get that too.)

[Mr. Gray]

Originally posted by soda

For those of you who still have doubts about Singer, and such, I would recommend that you pick up more of his work, and give it a whirl, before you make up your minds. He's doing a run on Ultimate x-men in the next month or so, and that should be well worth picking up, so if all the news on X3 has got you bummed, get down to your local comic book store and pick up Singer's x-men book, and read the xmen the way they should be written...

then go buy The Usual Suspects SE DVD....

[Iacon5]

Originally posted by soda


He's doing a run on Ultimate x-men in the next month or so, and that should be well worth picking up, so if all the news on X3 has got you bummed, get down to your local comic book store and pick up Singer's x-men book, and read the xmen the way they should be written )
sorry man but that wont be out until about december

[Layer Change]

I was at the Comic-Con panel and I'm pumped up for it after seeing it. But, what's really telling is that my wife is stoked and this wasn't even a movie shewas originally interested in.

On a side note, thanks for the info about Singer's run on Ultimate X-Men. I just heard about that today (color me slow :D) and was wondering when that was starting.

[Mr. Gray]

NEWS!

First set photo of Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor....

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns2/LEXLUTHOR_ICON149.jpg

SPOILER ALERT

and apparently, Lois Lane's kid isn't Richard White's, but actually Superman's....

Superman has a kid!?!
Source: IESB.net
20th July 2005 12:00 PM

IESB is reporting some very interesting rumors regarding the next Superman film!

Hey Robert, love your site and I must say that you guy's have been breaking plenty of stories, great job.

I stumbled across a few things that I think that you and your readers will find interesting about Superman Returns. Here are a few details that you already may know about but at least I haven't heard about them. If you they are new and you post them please credit “The Phantom Zone.”

When Superman goes on his search to Krypton for any survivors Lex is released from prison because there is no one to testify against him, Superman was the main witness.

Lex raids the fortress of Solitude while Superman has been away. You might remember that he knows the location ever since Superman II. He strips all the technology that he can and tries to create his own Continent with Kryptonian technology which results in Earthquakes throughout the world.

Lois Lane has a kid and the father is Richard White, right? WRONG, the father is Superman. Remember that in Superman II after he loses his powers he has sex with Lois. Bingo! You might remember that it already has been confirmed that Supes has been gone for six years, how old is the kid? Exactly, the same age.

[bigred760]

While I wasn't exactly excited about the movie when I saw the suit, the movie is starting to grow on me - mostly because of the story. The whole thing about Superman being gone and having to come back and deal with all the stuff that's been going on without him is good stuff. I love stuff like that. Plus I think Bryan Singer (though I still wish he would've done X3) can do great things with the flick and Kevin Spacey is perfect as Lex Luthor. Bring it on.

[Squid Vicious]

I really don't understand all the complaints about the suit. When I first saw it, I thought to myself, "It's blue. It's red. It's yellow. It's got the red cape, too. Yeah, it looks like Superman to me." So what if the red is a little darker, and the S is a little higher up on the chest? It's not like they made any extremely radical changes to it. It's not like they made it green, purple and neon pink. Get over it!

Anyway, Superman Returns is definitely one of my most anticipated movies of 2006. I can't wait to see a teaser trailer. Here's hoping that Bryan Singer can do for Superman what Chris Nolan did for Batman.

[Terminal]

I've been a hardcore Superman fan since I was four.

As for this new film, I have my skepticism, but I'm sure it will be a lot better than X3.

The costume is still very iffy, but it looks great so far. Can't wait.

[ralph_wiggum]

I'm still trying to decide what I think of Kate Bosworth and Kevin Spacey being in this...interesting casting choices?

[bigred760]

And a few other tidbits, I'm glad that Bryan Singer decided to make Superman Returns a follow-up/sequel to the first two Christopher Reeve movies. The last two sequels basically sucked. I've got the first two movies on DVD and still believe to this day that they are two of the best comic book movies ever made. That's another reason why my excitement for this movie grows every day.

[Shockwave]

..i actualy wish Supes looked abit oder and more battle worn then he does.

For having a kid, and been away for so long he still appears to more SuperBOY then Superman.



Alex Ross drew a badass older supes in KINGDOM COME. Thats more of what i would imagine hed looks like at this point.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by ralph_wiggum
I'm still trying to decide what I think of Kate Bosworth and Kevin Spacey being in this...interesting casting choices?

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns2/LEXLUTHOR_ICON149.jpg

Yay for set pictures.

[APzombie]

SPOILERS

Now i'm a comic book nerd and all, but I dont have too much know how with superman, mainly because he's just a boyscout to me and not as interesting as Batsey or the marval boys. That said how the hell is it Supes kid? Don't we all watch MALLRATS in our day? A shot of supermans sperm to the back of Ms. Lane would be like a shotgun to a hampster... where's the kryptonite condom?

END SPOILERS

Anyway, I cant say im really exited, to be honest i'm more exited about batman's dvd release and its possible sequal more than this one. I'm down with the first two Superman films and i'll leave it with that, but still I would not mind if this one ended up being great.

[Layer Change]

Originally posted by Shockwave
..i actualy wish Supes looked abit oder and more battle worn then he does.

For having a kid, and been away for so long he still appears to more SuperBOY then Superman.



Alex Ross drew a badass older supes in KINGDOM COME. Thats more of what i would imagine hed looks like at this point.
At Comic-Con, Bryan Singer's response was that just in case there were sequels, he had to keep his actors' ages in mind. Didn't want them to get too old...lol.

[LoomisFan]

Originally posted by APzombie
[b]SPOILERS

Now i'm a comic book nerd and all, but I dont have too much know how with superman, mainly because he's just a boyscout to me and not as interesting as Batsey or the marval boys. That said how the hell is it Supes kid? Don't we all watch MALLRATS in our day? A shot of supermans sperm to the back of Ms. Lane would be like a shotgun to a hampster... where's the kryptonite condom?
He didn't have powers when he banged her.

...by the way, great fucking reference. I love that movie.

[ak]

Here's a cool gif of Routh in the suit from the most recent production blog...

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7712/padding22yf.gif

[Ender]

My complaint about the suit is not the color scheme. No, I'm more concerend that the big splash image of Routh in the suit makes him look incredibly gay.

[Patrick Bateman]

Taking the wait-and-see approach on this one. Cant say i'm too terribly excited to see this movie right now, but maybe a teaser trailer will change my attitude towards this film. I hope for the best with this movie, but Singer's over infatuation with the Donner film bugs me.

[ak]

http://usera.imagecave.com/Ali_c/final.one.poster.jpg

[Jimbo513]

The plot sounds really really fuckin stupid to me. Lex raids the FoS, steals the technology, then causes global earthquakes when he tries to make his own continent with Kryptonian technology? Sounds rediculous to me. A plot like that would work in a comic book, or maybe in a superman movie 20 years ago, but these days it just sounds lame.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Jimbo513
A plot like that would work in a comic book,

......


It's a FUCKING COMIC BOOK MOVIE!

[Ender]

Yes, but it's generally known that comic book movies have to have more mass appeal than comic books, so most comic movies try to reign in the campier, more over the top aspects of their source material so that the general audience will have an easier time with their suspension of disbelief.

[Shockwave]

The plot works fine for me and sounds no less hokey then when u think about the Batman Begins plot.

Driving Gotham insane with a machine that evaperates all water in the city and sprays it with fear gas, so it can tear itself apart?

Its not the idea, its how its sold.

I find this plot far less silly then Supes traveling around the world to turn back time in the original.:p

[soda]

right, here is one of the great rules of the comic book world:

" a stupid idea, flawlessly executed, is WAY cooler than a flawless idea, decently executed."

For those of us who read comics, there are a million stupid ideas, bizarro world is one such stupid idea, but it's the execution that makes bizarro world one of the coolest concepts ever. Lex Luthor having an infinity guantlet is a stupid idea, but well executed, it's the most bad-ass thing you've ever seen. Wonder woman has a lasso that forces people to tell the truth? Laaaame, but really cool in the hands of a great writer. (Like Metzer).

I've been so hyped for this flick ever since I saw the preview footage at con. It might be up as a quicktime someplace, and if someone has a link, please, post it. Everyone should see the footage shown at con before making up thier minds on this film, if that con footage doesn't blow you away (like it did me) well then, I don't know what to tell you.

[ak]

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like the Con footage is going to show up online any time soon.

I've heard the Con footage in Windows Media format, but I ain't seen it. It sounded pretty emotional, with the original score, and bits of dialogue from Lois, Jor-El and Superman himself. Routh, at least, sounds like Superman.

The main problem you have to avoid with any comic-book movie is to not make it too 'far-out'. The more human you keep the story and the events within the movie, the better. The fans may get excited by all that techno-babble and mumbo jumbo, but the ordinary film-goer doesn't give a shit. So far the Spider-Man films have done a good job.

[poopontheshoes7]

I personally think SuperMan is the worst superhero ever. Im not going to see this. I know that sounds harsh, but I hate Superman.

[TheGodSon]

I personally don't think this movie needs to be made.

[Shockwave]

..i wouldnt go THAT far, it has the potential to kick some mighty ass, id just rather see an older, grizzled Supes then some kinda teenage model who looks more like SuperBOY then SuperMAN.

..i mean, how many years has the guy been gone in this one before he returns to earth? 4 weeks?




-EDIT- ...when im proclaiming this to be the greatest movie ever after its released, ill be back to delete all records of this post.;)

[Jimbo513]

the plot of batman begins was believeable because the technology exists or will exist soon to actually do that stuff. Fear gas could be real, could be some form of LSD or something. The machine to vaparize water is believable. We have EMP devices so this isn't far fetched.

But Lex Luther using Krytonian technology to CREATE ANOTHER CONTINENT and is just stupid sounding.

"Hey Lex, you wanna use this new technology to rob banks or create mass hysteria?" "Nah, let's go make our own continent just for the hell of it"

Sounds stupid.

[Shockwave]

...sounds about as ar fetched as the plots to the two X-men movies.
I mean really, Magneto inventing a machine to turn peopel INTO mutants?
..or Spider-man 2. Power of the sun my ass...

Death dealing machines will always be a staple of super hero/james Bond "take over the world" type stories. Since Supes is a character of far great feats of stength then Bats or Spider-man, id expect the "weapon" to be grander in scope.

..almost like it belongs...in a COMIC BOOK.

If i can suspend my beleif that a guy can fly faster then a speeding bullet, shoot sun beams outta his eyes, breath icey cold breath, see through walls, leap tall buildings with a single bound, i can beleive this. It obviously isnt going with the "BATMAN BEGINS" 100% realistic approach.

If it was, there wouldnt be a Superman movie to make. He wouldnt exist.

[Ender]

I think the reason that Lex's plan in this film is considered less believable than Rhas Al Ghul's plot to destroy Gotham City or Magneto's attempt to transform the human race into mutants is that Lex Luthor building a personal continent doesn't make any fucking sense. I mean, why does he want to do that, what possible gain could there be? Presumably he wants to rule it, but why would anyone go to live there when it's created? Possibly he just wants to exploit it's resources, but in that case why would Superman want to stop him, I mean really, what's the harm, he's only destroying something he put there in the first place.

[Shockwave]

If people can buy that Supes can REVERSE THE TIME STREAM just by flying backwards around a planet in the original, then i dont see the problem wih Luthors plans. ;)

That was about the silliest and most unbeleivable stunt in any comic book movie EVER...but they sold it.

Like a good joke, its going to be all about delivery.


..and as for the WHy, im sure there is a good reason with Luthor. Wheels within wheels with that guy. Its not gettign "thrown in" for no reason and im sure its going to be integral to the plot.

[soda]

Originally posted by poopontheshoes7
I personally think SuperMan is the worst superhero ever. Im not going to see this. I know that sounds harsh, but I hate Superman.

Obligatory Superman fan jokes in response to this comment:

-are you sure you aren't frank miller?

-are you related to Frank Miller?

-hey, you hate Superman too? Cool, the kabal meetings are on Friday nights, at Frank's house.

(If you don't get any of these jokes, you need to read more comics, they're all a little "in jokey".)

I'm going to wait to see the movie before I pass any kind of judgement on the plot, I just have so much faith in Bryan Singer, and what I saw at con was just so cool. It is, however, as many have said, all about the delivery, can you deliver something cool enough to offset the suspension of disbelief?

[ak]

I think the reason the "reverse time" sequence in Superman works so well, is because of the intense acting by Reeve. The way he screams and just lets out his frustration in a huge burst of energy, and then leaps into the sky is amazing. Very powerful.

I like that scene, it just works, but it shouldn't.

I still think it's far too early to judge this film. At least wait for a trailer.

In the comic books, I really love the bits where Superman 'pulls a mental' and unleashes his anger. It's all at once epic, inspiring and gobsmacking, so I hope they do a similar thing in this film.

[adamjohnson]

Like in Kingdom Come...

[soda]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Like in Kingdom Come...

For those of you who loved "Kingdom Come" (and there appears to be many of you, I myself, included), just a heads up. Tomorrow, the artists of Kingdom come, Alex Ross, is releasing his latest DC project, Alex Ross' Justice (it's shipping two weeks early, and it's a justice league story), same artist, and same characters, as Kingdom come, and written by Alex Ross too, so you can't go wrong. PIck up a copy, if you're a kingdom come fan.

[Ender]

Originally posted by Shockwave
If people can buy that Supes can REVERSE THE TIME STREAM just by flying backwards around a planet in the original, then i dont see the problem wih Luthors plans. ;)



Actualy, I didnt' buy that, that was one of the stupidest things I'd ever seen in film and a big part of the reason I didn't like the original SUPERMAN. But at LEAST with that you could figure out why he was doing it.

[i]Originally posed by soda[/i/
Obligatory Superman fan jokes in response to this comment:

-are you sure you aren't frank miller?

-are you related to Frank Miller?

-hey, you hate Superman too? Cool, the kabal meetings are on Friday nights, at Frank's house.

lmao!

I've heard a lot of people request a KINGDOM COME movie and I myself have speculated about one many times in the pas (was I the only one who heard James Cromwell's voice anytime Norman McCay spoke in that series), but for my money I'm still waiting for a flick based on THE DEATH OF SUPERMAN, and I'm not talking about SUPERMAN LIVES, cool as that script (originally) was.

[Layer Change]

Makes me wish more people had been able to see the footage that Bryan Singer brought with him to Comic-Con. That would have given people a taste of what kind of movie it is and whether it's their cup of tea. That set of scenes was good enough to be a trailer IMHO.

[ak]

....well, according to SHH.com, we should be getting a teaser trailer in November. It will be attached to Harry Potter 4, which is also a Warner Bros. release.
From what I understand there were no effects shots in the Con presentation footage, so hopefully we'll get our first real glimpse of full super power!

[ak]

(double post).

[Shockwave]

but for my money I'm still waiting for a flick based on THE DEATH OF SUPERMAN, and I'm not talking about SUPERMAN LIVES, cool as that script (originally) was.

...ah man, dont make me remember that!

Im still in denial that we wont get to see it.:(

[soda]

So, did anyone on here read Alex Ross' "Justice" today? Utterly amazing book, IMHO, reminds me so much of the tingle I felt ten years ago when I first picked up Kingdom Come #1 as a monthly. if you liked that book, get Alex Ross' Justice, he's absolutely done it again (as much as you can say that after only one issue, but wow, what an issue).

[ak]

Here's a pretty decent piece of fan-art...makes a change from all the usual photoshop rubbish.


Poster (http://usera.imagecave.com/Ali_c/art_descend.jpg)

This particular piece comes from the fan-art gallery over at Blue Tights.net (http://www.bluetights.net/index.php)

[Layer Change]

Nice! Thanks for the link. I guess it was inspired by that one Spider-Man 2 poster (Choice).

[bigred760]

I think this movie will make a run at the record for biggest box office weekend. Superman is, arguably, the best known and most popular comic book hero of all time (again, I said arguably - you gotta give me that :D). I think people will want to see this movie because they've waited for another decent Superman movie for a while.

[ak]

Originally posted by bigred760
I think people will want to see this movie because they've waited for another decent Superman movie for a while.

I think you're right. I can imagine when the teaser trailer will eventually play in theatres that, at the end of the trailer, there'll be a hushed silence, kind of like a "Wow, Superman!" reaction.

Superman is far and away the most iconic of all the superheroes. There's such a legacy, and such a history behind the character that people will be really glad to see the character return to the place where he belongs - the big screen. It has been too long. Particularly since the project has been in production hell for the last decade or so.

[Shockwave]

Supermans one big hurdle that alwasy made me think of him as less of a hero then Batman and Spiderman is that hes P E R F E C T.

All his flaws are just an act as Clark Kent. Hes not really struggling like Spiderman and hes not tormented like Bats. If he wanted he could have/do anything at anytime.

"You do too much, your not Superman u know."- Aunt May

..however this seems to be what Singer is getting at, that Supes WAS doing too much for mankind and left thinking they depended on him abit and used him as a crutch...and THAT i do like.;)

[Nachokoolaid]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Like in Kingdom Come...

This is the film I'm waiting for. Hopefully with a $150+ budget. Man, in times where there's a lot of bad (read: studio rushing crap trying to make a quick buck) comic book films, this could really stand out as something great.

[ak]

New Superman pics. Taken from an Australian news programme I believe. I've edited out all the typical news graphics...

Notice, no yellow "S" shield.

http://usera.imagecave.com/Ali_c/tv.supes.1.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/Ali_c/tv.supes.2.jpg

Both images are taken from the Superherohype.com forums.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by ak

Notice, no yellow "S" shield.


One more change to the costume I don't like. Add it to the list.

[Shockwave]

..........


...........

............no "S"?

Might as well remove the Spider from Spider-mans chest!

This comstume blows chunks worse then The Green Goblins...but on a far more important character.

The movie might rock, but im on a downer over the shit colors, design, ect,ect, of the most important characters costume.

One simple rule they got right with Spider-man- People ALREADY love the costume! No need to fuck with it some and try and get people to like....what they ALREADY love!:

Goddamnmotherfuckingricekrispeycakes!:mad:

[ak]

Another new pic...

http://usera.imagecave.com/Ali_c/another.supoes.jpg
(Look kids, it's Ben Affleck).

And to get back to the suit, in retrospect of your comments Shockwave. You're right. What Raimi 'got' was that the Spider-Man suit needed only minor tweaks to modernise it, yet he kept it classic. It looks perfect, it works.
Singer's approach seems somewhat odd. He seems to have pissed off so many people with changes that really didn't need to happen. Okay, so tone down the red, but to change the colour completely is a bit iffy.

Singer said himself that he didn't want the suit to look like a "billboard", yet he insisted on having the chest "S" logo, and another "S" on the belt...that doesn't make sense. Looks a bit repetitive to have the same logo within a short space of eachother on the suit. It would have been better served on the cape.

[Shockwave]

Pretty much. Its iconic.

..why change it now? It worked GREAT in the originals, ad now this costume looks like shit on a stick.

[Ender]

Call me crazy, but I was never wild about the supersuit in the old flicks either, or, for that matter, the costume even in the comics. To me it's always just looked like a set of fruity blue tights.

[ak]

Originally posted by Ender
Call me crazy, but I was never wild about the supersuit in the old flicks either, or, for that matter, the costume even in the comics. To me it's always just looked like a set of fruity blue tights.

You're correct. The Superman costume is notoriously difficult to 'adapt' for the screen simply because of the bright primary colours. Spiderman doesn't have any yellow, and Batman's suit is a cool looking black, so they look better on screen.

I think Singer has been wise to build the suit around the 1940s feel of the film, so it should work out okay. I presume when we see the suit in motion, within a certain context, i.e - a trailer, it should look pretty good.

The most recent 'blog' has been posted up over at BlueTights.net...

Superman blog 21 - In Graphic Detail (http://www.bluetights.net/bulletin_list.php)

It's worth checking out.

[Shockwave]

..most everyone though tit looked great on Reeves so i dont really see the idea of "ot not looking right on-screen' flying very far.;)

[James Logan]

The only thing with the Supes costume is that the red should be slightly toned down, maybe to a dashy scarlet, and the yellow made more gold than yellow. That's it. They didn't need to get rid of the most of the yellow and completely give up the red in favor of a disgusting, Magneto-like maroon that doesn't have anything iconic or heroic or dashing to it.

[ak]

Originally posted by Shockwave
...everyone thought it looked great on Reeve so I don't really see the idea of "it not looking right on-screen" flying very far.

The suit looked okay on Reeve, but if you put the same suit on Routh in the new film people would just laugh. The suit works within the context of the original film, but it really isn't that good.
The texture they've added to the new suit gives it a more modern look, and the raised symbol works pretty well, but my point was that it's much easier to make Batman or Spider-Man look good on screen because they are minus the yellow and the campy underwear.

[Patrick Bateman]

Regarding the suit, Alex Ross clearly isnt a fan either.

"I look at (Brandon Routh's) costume as a series of choices that are the complete opposite of every choice that either I or other designers have made in the last 10 years.
The really tight neckline where the collar is; the small symbol as opposed to a larger symbol. I think Bryan made these choices based upon, "Let me try these things because it's different."

Clearly not what I would have envisioned."

Honestly, I dont think this costume is anything like what most people envisioned when they thought of a new Superman movie. But will the suit work with the look of the movie? Possibly. Considering that the film is going for a 1940's feel.

[Shockwave]

Alex Ross summed up my thoughts on the issue rather well.

[The Heart Collector]

maybe i'm not following, but are you guys trying to say that Supreman used to have the yellow S shield on the back of the cape? Because that's fucking horrible and ugly.

[ak]

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
Maybe I'm not following, but are you guys trying to say that Superman used to have the yellow S shield on the back of the cape? Because that's fucking horrible and ugly.

I'd say it's a good change. It doesn't bother me at all, but I can see the purist Superman fans getting a bit red-faced about that.
It's best to keep it simple I think, so taking the yellow "S" shield away sort of makes the suit look a bit more sleek.

[Shockwave]

...if they were going for "less silly" then why dont they take away the idiotic under-wear he wears on the OUTSIDE of his suit?;)

[James Logan]

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
maybe i'm not following, but are you guys trying to say that Supreman used to have the yellow S shield on the back of the cape? Because that's fucking horrible and ugly.

I would've tweaked it. Make it a golden "S" shield -- they've turned all the other yellows on the costume to golden taints, and that works beautifully, why not just give the one on the cape the same treatment? The shield on the cape is what distinguishes Supes's cape from other superhero capes. That, and it's a shield, as in a sign of a certain tradition, of nobility, like a knight'd have. It actually made sense.

I completely agree with Alex Ross on the costume issue. I love the materials they used, I love the tight neckline, I love the way they changed the belt, I love the boots -- but Singer fucked with the two things it was obvious not to fuck with (the shield and the red color), seemingly just because that'd make his design different. I don't buy the modernism issue that much -- that was taken care of with the details (design of the shield, 3D feel of it, belt, boots), and the red could've just been toned down to a more dashing scarlet, instead of a disgusting maroon (even though I still have hopes on that one -- depending on the pictures, it sometimes actually looks scarlet, so I'm hoping the maroon-looking pictures are just off).

[RustyRazor]

Is it possible, through the course of the movie that his costume could change? (Through damage he takes in the movie, he gets a new one?)

Kinda like the Bat Suit getting destroyed and then Alfred pops in with a new one? (I know he has no Alfred, but use your imaginations.):)

[SpaceCowboy7810]

I think of all the superhero movies to be made or remade, superman is the one that the public isn't ready for right now. We need to see more super heroes out there that audiences can relate too, that have weaknesses. Superman's biggest problem was that he was too powerful. When it comes to super heroes like spider man, dare devil, batman, the x men, etc. these superheroes we can relate too because they have real problems. Problems with wanting to be normal, problems with love, problems balancing their alter ego, etc. Superman has these issues too, but because he is too much of a boy scout he could never take control of them in a way an audience would want to watch, which makes him come out as a whiner. Stick with the x men or super heroes that we can relate to, and you'll have your audience.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by SpaceCowboy7810
I think of all the superhero movies to be made or remade, superman is the one that the public isn't ready for right now. We need to see more super heroes out there that audiences can relate too, that have weaknesses. Superman's biggest problem was that he was too powerful. When it comes to super heroes like spider man, dare devil, batman, the x men, etc. these superheroes we can relate too because they have real problems. Problems with wanting to be normal, problems with love, problems balancing their alter ego, etc. Superman has these issues too, but because he is too much of a boy scout he could never take control of them in a way an audience would want to watch, which makes him come out as a whiner. Stick with the x men or super heroes that we can relate to, and you'll have your audience.

Superman is supposed to be the superhero that everyone wants to BE. He goes through issues like the lot of us (i.e. Lana or Lois?), and even makes mistakes now and again. He's the guy who stands up for everything that's good and right, the guy that we want to root for.

It doesn't matter that the only thing that can kill him is Kryptonite and that he can see through everything (but lead), lift tons upon tons, etc. The thing that matters about Superman--especially to the American audience--is that he stands for truth, justice and the American way. That's what the old audience loves about the character, and that's what younger audiences will love about the character.

[Squid Vicious]

Uh, just to clarify something....

http://www.darkhorizons.com/2006/superman/superman.jpg

This is the costume everyone is complaining about, right?

[adamjohnson]

Yup.

I dont mind it.

BTW, heres a great new pic of it to dispell a few bad vibes.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v283/alejansolo/InFortess.jpg

[UBER_MAX]

So they took the yellow S from the cape and stuck it on his belt... I would've kept it as it was and just tweaked the colours, as James Logan suggested.

Having said that, Routh does look the part in the suit, I really hope he has the acting chops to do today what Chris Reeves did for supes back in the late seventies to mid eighties.

[Roaring Flame]

After making a Movie like BatMan Begins, there's no way that they'll screw this one up. Even though his suit got darker and the S on his back is gone at least it's still on his chest! And hey it's even on his belt and they took the nipples out of Batmans suit so why can't they take an S off supes back. No one wants to see his back!