Best Football Dynasty?

[SpacePuppet]

Best to worst...

1 Patriots - 3 Superbowls in 4 years, and 21 straight wins.

2. Steelers - 2 back to back superbowl wins, and one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history.

3. Cowboys - 3 dominating superbowls in 4 years.

4. 49ers - 3 superbowl victories, and probably the best quarterback/ reciver duo ever.

They are all fantastic though.

[Mr. HokeyPokey]

Cowboys, Steelers a close second.

I know one thing for sure, DEFINITALLY NOT the patriots.

[SpacePuppet]

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey
Cowboys, Steelers a close second.

I know one thing for sure, DEFINITALLY NOT the patriots.

C'mon 21 straight wins! And you don't know, they might not be through winning yet!

[James Logan]

I'm a foreigner, and we hear of the 49ers and Cowboys most, they're like myth, so I'd have to go with them.

And ditto Pokey -- I can't stand those motherfucking Pats either. :)

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey
Cowboys, Steelers a close second.

I know one thing for sure, DEFINITALLY NOT the patriots.

Must you always attack the Pats for no apparent reason.

I'd say the 49ers, with the Pats and Cowboys close by. Too many question marks surronding the steriod involvement in the 70's Steelers for me to pick them.

[Indiana Sev]

The New England Patriots

[TheDeadWalk]

My problem with the Patriots is their inability to dominate games. Seriously, they're like watching an old 80s Hulk Hogan match where Hogan about gets the shit knocked out of him until he nails the atomic leg drop for the pin. They allow for way too many close calls.

Other teams mentioned were more dominant teams that really grinded in and kicked your ass. The 49ers were great at that. So were the Cowboys. They weren't constantly winning games by the skin of their teeth.

[AwesomeJ33]

All the other dynasties mentioned, 70's Steelers, 80's Niners and 90's Cowboys were all afforded the luxury the 00's Patriots aren't. Those teams kept their dynasties together because they were not held at the mercy of free agency and player movement. The Pats doing what they are doing in this day and age of salary caps and signing bonuses goes beyond what those other teams did. And while i think that they are on par with the best of the past, if they win again this year without Bruschi, Johnson and their offensive and defensive coordinators, they will move ahead of everyone and rule the galaxy as far as NFL dynasties go.

And thats's the fact Jack!!!!

[Mr. HokeyPokey]

Originally posted by brodeurnumber1
Must you always attack the Pats for no apparent reason.


Yes :) (over-rated)

Originally posted by AwesomeJ33
All the other dynasties mentioned, 70's Steelers, 80's Niners and 90's Cowboys were all afforded the luxury the 00's Patriots aren't. Those teams kept their dynasties together because they were not held at the mercy of free agency and player movement. The Pats doing what they are doing in this day and age of salary caps and signing bonuses goes beyond what those other teams did. And while i think that they are on par with the best of the past, if they win again this year without Bruschi, Johnson and their offensive and defensive coordinators, they will move ahead of everyone and rule the galaxy as far as NFL dynasties go.

And thats's the fact Jack!!!!

That was a good laugh. You put the patriot rosters that won the superbowls those years against the cowboys or the steelers dynasties and you would watch each player from the Patriots walk off the field crying.

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey
Yes :) (over-rated)



That was a good laugh. You put the patriot rosters that won the superbowls those years against the cowboys or the steelers dynasties and you would watch each player from the Patriots walk off the field crying.

How are they overrated? I have yet to see you back up your point. And he was saying the Pats continue to win despite free agency. The other 3 didn't have to deal with free agency like the Pats have.

[SpacePuppet]

It's don't matter if they don't dominate the Superbowl, if you win by 1 or 100, they still give you the Vince Lombardi trophy.


...the Pats superbowl victorys were a hellava lot more entertaining than the Cowboys superbowls anyways.

[jeo4]

1. Steelers
2. 49ers
3. Cowboys
4. Everyone else with multiple Superbowl wins
5. Everyone else with multiple Superbowl appearances
6. Patriots

[TheDeadWalk]

So we're going by entertaining?

We're going by what is being done with today's restrictions?

I thought we were going by who was the best. I don't care if the Patriots' games were closer. I think Montana's 49ers from the eighties would still beat them.

I think the Cowboys of the nineties would beat them too.

Hell, I even think the 2002 Bucs and the 2000 Ravens could rip open the best Patriots team you can put together from that dynasty.

They simply were not a dominating team, and saying that they deserve it more because their games were more exciting is kinda tacky.

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk


Hell, I even think the 2002 Bucs and the 2000 Ravens could rip open the best Patriots team you can put together from that dynasty.



I seriously doubt that. The Bucs and Ravens were great defenses, but they didn't have a good offense(well, the Ravens had a good running back). The Pats have a bigger balance of the two and were much tougher than the teams those two faced in the playoffs.

[SpacePuppet]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk


They simply were not a dominating team.

They won 21 straight games!

I hope the Patriots win again this year, maybe then they'll get some respect. I guess you have to win every game for 3 years, by 10,000 points to be considered a great team.

[SpacePuppet]

Ignore this post.

[SpacePuppet]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
So we're going by entertaining?



No, I just felt like adding that in.

You people just judge the Patriots on their Superbowl performances. So they only won by 3 points each game. Remember what they did to get to that Superbowl though? The Indinapolis Colts, possibly the best offensive team in they league last year, they allowed them only to score 3 points. The Pittsburgh Steelers, one of the best defesive teams last year, they scored over 40 points on them. Then the people on this board started whining about how those games were boring, that's why I pointed out the whole entertainment thing.

To say the Bucs and the Ravens are better than them is just.....weird.




...okay, I think I'm done for now.

[Mr. HokeyPokey]

Originally posted by jeo4
1. Steelers
2. 49ers
3. Cowboys
4. Everyone else with multiple Superbowl wins
5. Everyone else with multiple Superbowl appearances
6. Patriots

Switch the first 3 (cowboys, steelers, 49ers) and that looks good.

I never though to include the non-dynasties. But i do agree, Everyone else with multiple superbowl wins/appearences far exceed the Patriots.

[SpacePuppet]

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey
Switch the first 3 (cowboys, steelers, 49ers) and that looks good.

I never though to include the non-dynasties. But i do agree, Everyone else with multiple superbowl wins/appearences far exceed the Patriots.

How?

So the Buffalo Bills are better than the Patriots? The Bills are 0-4 at the superbowl. Where as the Patriots are 3-5. So the Patriots have won more superbowls, and appeared in more superbowls, and the Bills are better? :confused:

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by SpacePuppet
No, I just felt like adding that in.

You people just judge the Patriots on their Superbowl performances. So they only won by 3 points each game. Remember what they did to get to that Superbowl though? The Indinapolis Colts, possibly the best offensive team in they league last year, they allowed them only to score 3 points. The Pittsburgh Steelers, one of the best defesive teams last year, they scored over 40 points on them. Then the people on this board started whining about how those games were boring, that's why I pointed out the whole entertainment thing.

To say the Bucs and the Ravens are better than them is just.....weird.




...okay, I think I'm done for now.

Thank you. I mean, I am in no means a Patriot fan, but to discount them just because of the fact that you don't like them(HokeyPokey) is dumb.

[SpacePuppet]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
My problem with the Patriots is their inability to dominate games.

Lets take a look at some of the Patriots scores from last season...

W:@ Arizona 23-12
W: @ Buffalo 31-17
W: Miami 24-10
W: @ St. Louis 40-22
W: Buffalo 29-6
W: Baltimore 24-3
W: @ Cleveland 42-15
W: @ NY Jets 23-7
W: San Fransico 21-7

Playoffs
W: Indianapolis 20-3
W:@ Pittsburgh 41-27

That should say "My problem with the Patriots is their inability to dominate superbowls", because that's all you're thinking of. Man, if you don't like the Patriots that's fine, but saying they're not a great team, and teams that have appeared in more superbowls than them are better is just insane. (I don't see what's to hate about the Pats anyway, they're the most classy team in the NFL)

[Mr. HokeyPokey]

My problem with the patriots is their defense. They are as dirty as it gets... holding, late hits, un-necessary blind hits, and their corners are ALWAYS standing offsides. In my opinion bruschi got what he deserved (karma) when he had the stroke because he always throws punches and knees while tackling and after tackling. He is by far the dirties play i've ever seen to play the game. Just because the guy has heart in the locker room does not make him a great player. In my opinion 98% of the sacks they've gotten in the last 4 seasons is because their corners are aligned offsides. For christ sakes ref look down the middle for once when officiating a Patriots game.

My problem with the patriots is how much praise they put on their head coach. Okay people this might come as a shock to most of you so i'll ease it in slowly. The head coach is not the MAIN reason teams win... it's more so the offense and defensive coordinators. Sure, the head coach make the gameplan, but it's the coordinators that practice with the players individually and come up with different plays each season. Its the coordinators that know what plays a certain player can do, and what plays they cant.

Tom Brady is shit without that defense and you all know it.

My problem with the Patriots is that I just plain out don't like them. But most of all is their dirty defense.

[SpacePuppet]

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey
My problem with the patriots is their defense. They are as dirty as it gets... holding, late hits, un-necessary blind hits, and their corners are ALWAYS standing offsides. In my opinion bruschi got what he deserved (karma) when he had the stroke because he always throws punches and knees while tackling and after tackling. He is by far the dirties play i've ever seen to play the game. Just because the guy has heart in the locker room does not make him a great player. In my opinion 98% of the sacks they've gotten in the last 4 seasons is because their corners are aligned offsides. For christ sakes ref look down the middle for once when officiating a Patriots game.

My problem with the patriots is how much praise they put on their head coach. Okay people this might come as a shock to most of you so i'll ease it in slowly. The head coach is not the MAIN reason teams win... it's more so the offense and defensive coordinators. Sure, the head coach make the gameplan, but it's the coordinators that practice with the players individually and come up with different plays each season. Its the coordinators that know what plays a certain player can do, and what plays they cant.

Tom Brady is shit without that defense and you all know it.

My problem with the Patriots is that I just plain out don't like them. But most of all is their dirty defense.

What? You're gonna say Tedy Bruschi deserved to have a stroke because he's rough on the feild? The guy could have died for christ sakes, IT"S JUST FOOTBALL.

Secondly, a head coach in football is a HUGE reason for why a team wins. The reason the Pats are so good, is because the coach is a mastermind, and Brady has the talent to pull of any play he makes. Everyone on the team plays a huge part on the teams success. Brady would be shit without the defense? Yes, you're right. You know who else would be shit without defense? Every quarterback in the NFL. If you don't have anyone to protect you, you would gets sacked every play.

Lastly, you have no proof that the Pats play dirty. They don't. Every team gets flags called on them. This does not make them a dirty team. The only dirty thing the Patriots did as of recently was last season, vs. the Baltimore Ravens. I can't remember who did it, but there was a facemask play. That's it though. Every goddamn team does shit like that.

I still have yet to see you back up all this rubbish you talk.

[Mr. HokeyPokey]

Originally posted by SpacePuppet
What? You're gonna say Tedy Bruschi deserved to have a stroke because he's rough on the feild? The guy could have died for christ sakes, IT"S JUST FOOTBALL.

I still have yet to see you back up all this rubbish you talk.

Then learn to read because I just backed up my points on why i hate the Patriots and why they are over-rated.

and yes, Tedy Bruschi DESERVED his stroke because he doesn't play rough, he plays dirty.

Let me tell you something you don't know. Playing rough and cheating are completely different things. Bruschi is dirty and he cheats. And he got what was coming to him. I hope his career is over.

[SpacePuppet]

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey

Bruschi is dirty and he cheats.

BULL-SHIT. He deserved a stroke? Are you Satan? I hate Terrel Owens, because he's an asshole, but I would never wish any harm on him.

And you don't back your points up, because half the shit you say isn't true.

[Mr. HokeyPokey]

Originally posted by SpacePuppet
BULL-SHIT. He deserved a stroke? Are you Satan? I hate Terrel Owens, because he's an asshole, but I would never wish any harm on him.

And you don't back your points up, because half the shit you say isn't true.

1. I didn't wish it on him... he got what he deserved.

2. Lets be truthful now, you didn't like the patriots before they won a superbowl... I'm sure you're the head of the bandwagon.

3. I'm done with this, say what you wish. Patriots still won't make the playoffs this season. sorry.

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey


2. Lets be truthful now, you didn't like the patriots before they won a superbowl... I'm sure you're the head of the bandwagon.
.

He does live in Boston now, I doubt he jumped on the Bandwagon. And the Steelers are much more dirty than the Pats are back in the hayday.

[TheDeadWalk]

On your version of the Patriots dominating teams last season, you've got four of the worst teams in the NFL that they blew out. That doesn't help. San Francisco, Miami, and Cleveland. What a coincidence, the first three picks in the draft. Only three of those teams had winning records.I'm looking for is the ability to dominate games against good teams, and yes they did that in the playoffs. But even in their little ESPN montage highlight videos it is said that they are not known for being a dominating playmaking team.

2004 Patriots:

Sep 9 Indianapolis Won 27-24

Oct 24 N.Y. Jets Won 13-7

Nov 22 @Kansas City Won 27-19

Dec 12 Cincinnati Won 35-28

Feb 6 @Philadelphia Won 24-21

There's three winning teams that they beat within a touchdown or less, plus one losing team, and one mediocre team. I say that makes them break about even if you discredit that they played the three WORST teams in the NFL last year.

2003 Patriots close wins

Sep 21 N.Y. Jets Won 23-16

Oct 19 @Miami Won 19-13

Oct 26 Cleveland Won 9-3

Nov 3 @Denver Won 30-26

Nov 23 @Houston Won 23-20

Nov 30 @Indianapolis Won 38-34

Dec 20 @N.Y. Jets Won 21-16

Jan 10 Tennessee Won 17-14

Feb 1 Carolina Won 32-29

2001 Patriots

It wasn't that there were any close calls, it was the fact that at week 10 they were still a 5-5 team. A severe turn around towards the end of the season brought them back to the top where they went into the playoffs and went into the superbowl as underdogs and defeated the greatest show on turf.

I give them a thumbs up for that miracle 2001 season, but even that season they looked very shitty until they made proper adjustments.

Montana and the 49ers have beaten legends. Outshot quarterbacks like Dan Marino and John Elway (hall of famers, held them to 16 and 10 points, respectively) and Bengals legend Boomer Esiason.

They had a great running back like Roger Craig, AWESOME tight end like Brent Jones, and the greatest receiver who ever lived, Jerry F'in Rice.

(Antwaan Smith and David Patten are nothing to write home about.)

From 1981 to 1997: # of NFC conference championships played in: TEN.

10 out of seventeen seasons! That's not counting the superbowl wins, divisional, and wild card wins/appearances.

I just cannot fathom that the PATRIOTS of 2001, 2003, and 2004 are better. Especially when 2004 contained one of the WORST NFC conferences of all-fucking-time. 8-8 gets the Vikings and Rams into the playoffs, while in the AFC it keeps the Bengals in third place in AFC North. ASTONISHING COMPETITION.

[TheDeadWalk]

The reason why I can't stand the Patriots, is because most people outside of New England area or New England football world vicinity, the rest are mostly these shitty little bandwagon fans. The same people that suddenly started sporting Ben Roethlisberger jerseys last year and hurried up and changed back into their Tom Brady jerseys on superbowl sunday. Its funny though cause in the late eighties and nineties I didn't see it to be so fucking trendy to sport Steve Grogan apparel.

It's suddenly become trendy to love the Pats. I hate that shit. Take your team(s) and stick them up your ass, don't just see who's winning 21 games in a row and decide that's your favorite team.

Plus, I'll run down some Patriots that I hate:

Corey Dillon - I would like to have Levi Jones and Willie Anderson hold him for me while I get to punch him in the face.

Tom Brady - Bitch. SNL sucked too, dickhead.

David Patten (former Patriot) - Cock sucker

Antwaan Smith (former Patriot) - Takes two up the ass like his old man

Ty Law (former patriot)- Needs to suck me while I piss

David Givens - In the league three years and still doesn't have 100 catches

Tim Dwight (new patriot) - Would just like to walk up to him and call him a sack of white bald shit.

Kevin Faulk - He's a waste of piss.

Deion Branch - cost me 10 dollars

Rodney Harrison - owes me 10 dollars

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
The reason why I can't stand the Patriots, is because most people outside of New England area or New England football world vicinity, the rest are mostly these shitty little bandwagon fans. The same people that suddenly started sporting Ben Roethlisberger jerseys last year and hurried up and changed back into their Tom Brady jerseys on superbowl sunday. Its funny though cause in the late eighties and nineties I didn't see it to be so fucking trendy to sport Steve Grogan apparel.

It's suddenly become trendy to love the Pats. I hate that shit. Take your team(s) and stick them up your ass, don't just see who's winning 21 games in a row and decide that's your favorite team.

Plus, I'll run down some Patriots that I hate:

Corey Dillon - I would like to have Levi Jones and Willie Anderson hold him for me while I get to punch him in the face.

Tom Brady - Bitch. SNL sucked too, dickhead.

David Patten (former Patriot) - Cock sucker

Antwaan Smith (former Patriot) - Takes two up the ass like his old man

Ty Law (former patriot)- Needs to suck me while I piss

David Givens - In the league three years and still doesn't have 100 catches

Tim Dwight (new patriot) - Would just like to walk up to him and call him a sack of white bald shit.

Kevin Faulk - He's a waste of piss.

Deion Branch - cost me 10 dollars

Rodney Harrison - owes me 10 dollars

Roethlisberger's overratedness is at a colossal level compared to Brady's. But I understand why you hate the Patriots, and it's why I hate many teams(Suns mainly). But the random comments about players are nice and random. Now back to supporting the Lions at every turn I go.

[SpacePuppet]

Originally posted by brodeurnumber1
He does live in Boston now, I doubt he jumped on the Bandwagon. And the Steelers are much more dirty than the Pats are back in the hayday.

Thank you. It's nice to see some people arn't complete fools.

I am not a bandwagon fan! I have been a die-hard fan of the Pats for the past 20 years. I would just like to point out (again) Pokey, that you have not proven one thing that you have said in this whole argument. Now you're calling me names. Just goes to show how ridiculous you are.

And I've seen you type of people before. You're those people that hate the teams that win, so you just deny their greatness. I should know, I live in Boston. You should see how many people in here won't accept the Yankees greatness. I hate them, but you should at LEAST show a little respect for a true champion.

Most of the bullshit you blabbed during this argument was...bullshit! And you just showed everyone that. How could you call me a bandwagon fan? You have no clue who I am. How could a team that has made the superbowl be better than Patriots? Remember when I pointed that out? I never got an answer to that. I wonder why? None of what you said is fact, just a bunch of crap written by a sore loser.

Bottom Line: You're wrong, and i'm right.

[TheDeadWalk]

I don't think you're a bandwagon fan. I see you're from Boston. But I gave you solid reasons why they are not the best dynasty of all-time.

But the fact that the Patriots pork barrel a shitload of bandwagon fans is true. Why am I suddenly seeing an overflow of Patriots jerseys in my local shopping mall here in rural Ohio? Because they're WINNING. Why does my 16 year old neighbor own a Tom Brady jersey, when he owned a McNabb one just a few years ago? Because the Patriots are WINNING. Then "Patriots fans" and Patriots fans whether here or on Joblo.com tell me that I have to respect the Patriots for what they've done and respect how good they are. No. I don't like them, and I don't like seeing them be little icons of pop culture.

They aren't the best dynasty of all-time, yet.

As for the Yankees, many folks do not like them because of how Steinbrenner "buys his championships". They would rather see an undderdog team win, this is the middle-class society that hates corporations and fatcats. However, this is the only extent I wish to discuss this, because I don't really like baseball nor do I follow it that much.

[SpacePuppet]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
I don't think you're a bandwagon fan. I see you're from Boston. But I gave you solid reasons why they are not the best dynasty of all-time.

But the fact that the Patriots pork barrel a shitload of bandwagon fans is true. Why am I suddenly seeing an overflow of Patriots jerseys in my local shopping mall here in rural Ohio? Because they're WINNING. Why does my 16 year old neighbor own a Tom Brady jersey, when he owned a McNabb one just a few years ago? Because the Patriots are WINNING. Then "Patriots fans" and Patriots fans whether here or on Joblo.com tell me that I have to respect the Patriots for what they've done and respect how good they are. No. I don't like them, and I don't like seeing them be little icons of pop culture.

They aren't the best dynasty of all-time, yet.

As for the Yankees, many folks do not like them because of how Steinbrenner "buys his championships". They would rather see an undderdog team win, this is the middle-class society that hates corporations and fatcats. However, this is the only extent I wish to discuss this, because I don't really like baseball nor do I follow it that much.

Yes, of course the Pats hae bandwagon fans, but every winning team has their fair-weather fans. I mean, think about all the old women who watched the Red Sox win the World Series on their TV. While Jimmy Fallon got to celebate on the feild with the team. I hate bandwagon jumpers as much as the next man. I can never get tickets to the games. I can only get into Celtics games now, because all the yuppies have all the seats to the Sox & Pats.

You're right too. You did give solid reasons why they are not the best dynasty ever. I'm not bothered by that. I just think it's very silly to say teams that have gotten into the superbowl more than once are better than them.

I don't care if you hate the Patriots, but like brody said, to count them out just because you dislike them is stupid.

[jeo4]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
On your version of the Patriots dominating teams last season, you've got four of the worst teams in the NFL that they blew out. That doesn't help. San Francisco, Miami, and Cleveland. What a coincidence, the first three picks in the draft. Only three of those teams had winning records.I'm looking for is the ability to dominate games against good teams, and yes they did that in the playoffs. But even in their little ESPN montage highlight videos it is said that they are not known for being a dominating playmaking team.

2004 Patriots:

Sep 9 Indianapolis Won 27-24

Oct 24 N.Y. Jets Won 13-7

Nov 22 @Kansas City Won 27-19

Dec 12 Cincinnati Won 35-28

Feb 6 @Philadelphia Won 24-21

There's three winning teams that they beat within a touchdown or less, plus one losing team, and one mediocre team. I say that makes them break about even if you discredit that they played the three WORST teams in the NFL last year.

2003 Patriots close wins

Sep 21 N.Y. Jets Won 23-16

Oct 19 @Miami Won 19-13

Oct 26 Cleveland Won 9-3

Nov 3 @Denver Won 30-26

Nov 23 @Houston Won 23-20

Nov 30 @Indianapolis Won 38-34

Dec 20 @N.Y. Jets Won 21-16

Jan 10 Tennessee Won 17-14

Feb 1 Carolina Won 32-29

2001 Patriots

It wasn't that there were any close calls, it was the fact that at week 10 they were still a 5-5 team. A severe turn around towards the end of the season brought them back to the top where they went into the playoffs and went into the superbowl as underdogs and defeated the greatest show on turf.

I give them a thumbs up for that miracle 2001 season, but even that season they looked very shitty until they made proper adjustments.

Montana and the 49ers have beaten legends. Outshot quarterbacks like Dan Marino and John Elway (hall of famers, held them to 16 and 10 points, respectively) and Bengals legend Boomer Esiason.

They had a great running back like Roger Craig, AWESOME tight end like Brent Jones, and the greatest receiver who ever lived, Jerry F'in Rice.

(Antwaan Smith and David Patten are nothing to write home about.)

From 1981 to 1997: # of NFC conference championships played in: TEN.

10 out of seventeen seasons! That's not counting the superbowl wins, divisional, and wild card wins/appearances.

I just cannot fathom that the PATRIOTS of 2001, 2003, and 2004 are better. Especially when 2004 contained one of the WORST NFC conferences of all-fucking-time. 8-8 gets the Vikings and Rams into the playoffs, while in the AFC it keeps the Bengals in third place in AFC North. ASTONISHING COMPETITION.

Yep, this covers it well, TheDeadWalk.

[SpacePuppet]

Originally posted by jeo4
Yep, this covers it well, TheDeadWalk.

Well, they did play some bad teams last season. BUT, remember when the Patriots entered the playoffs last season. They had a boat-load of injuries on their team. Everyone and their mother said the Colts would finally get over the Pats. And to still crush the Colts is phenominal. And I know Jeo4 hates the Pats too. That's why he's backing you up.

[jeo4]

Originally posted by SpacePuppet
Well, they did play some bad teams last season. BUT, remember when the Patriots entered the playoffs last season. They had a boat-load of injuries on their team. Everyone and their mother said the Colts would finally get over the Pats. And to still crush the Colts is phenominal. And I know Jeo4 hates the Pats too. That's why he's backing you up.

Well...I hate the hype behind the Pats...that much is certain.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by SpacePuppet
Well, they did play some bad teams last season. BUT, remember when the Patriots entered the playoffs last season. They had a boat-load of injuries on their team. Everyone and their mother said the Colts would finally get over the Pats. And to still crush the Colts is phenominal. And I know Jeo4 hates the Pats too. That's why he's backing you up.

Yes, it was phenomenal. But by no means do I think that means that they are the greatest dynasty of all time. Talk of hate and dislike and discrimination all you want, but they still are not as good as the 49ers dynasty.

Plus you want to say that Jeo4 is just backing me up because he hates the Patriots. Well, did you ever think that maybe the only reason that you have the Patriots at the top of your list is because you LIKE them?

Also, I was thinking and remembered about an hour ago another reason why I hated the Patriots.

Their 2003 campaign, they went 0-2. They lost Lawyer Milloy right before the season even started. Ty Law was bitching. Then I turn to NFL Sunday Countdown with Chris Berman and Tom Jackson and they are suddenly talking about how Bill Bellichek is ruining the team. He's a hard man to play for, and no one wants to play for him. This team is destroying itself from the inside, they said.

They suddenly they win that superbowl and go on their win streak and everyone including the same ESPN and journalists who were talking about how shitty of people they were to work for, change their minds and start shouting "omg pats rule, everyone should be like them".

And ever since then, you don't hear anymore stories about how much of an asshole Bellichek is and how he was corrupting his team, because "Winning cures everything". And when the wins finally stop (and they will), and you see the Patriots lose a few games in a row, that story is going to come back up again, and more players are going to be bitching about what Bellichek does "behind the scenes".

He's either a bad Coach who knows how to win games, or he's a football genius that knows how to work the system. Just don't change your mind when they go on a win streak.

[SpacePuppet]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
Yes, it was phenomenal. But by no means do I think that means that they are the greatest dynasty of all time. Talk of hate and dislike and discrimination all you want, but they still are not as good as the 49ers dynasty.

Plus you want to say that Jeo4 is just backing me up because he hates the Patriots. Well, did you ever think that maybe the only reason that you have the Patriots at the top of your list is because you LIKE them?

Also, I was thinking and remembered about an hour ago another reason why I hated the Patriots.

Their 2003 campaign, they went 0-2. They lost Lawyer Milloy right before the season even started. Ty Law was bitching. Then I turn to NFL Sunday Countdown with Chris Berman and Tom Jackson and they are suddenly talking about how Bill Bellichek is ruining the team. He's a hard man to play for, and no one wants to play for him. This team is destroying itself from the inside, they said.

They suddenly they win that superbowl and go on their win streak and everyone including the same ESPN and journalists who were talking about how shitty of people they were to work for, change their minds and start shouting "omg pats rule, everyone should be like them".

And ever since then, you don't hear anymore stories about how much of an asshole Bellichek is and how he was corrupting his team, because "Winning cures everything". And when the wins finally stop (and they will), and you see the Patriots lose a few games in a row, that story is going to come back up again, and more players are going to be bitching about what Bellichek does "behind the scenes".

He's either a bad Coach who knows how to win games, or he's a football genius that knows how to work the system. Just don't change your mind when they go on a win streak.

You're right about one thing there, they are at the top of my list because I'm a Pats fan. I did say on my first post though, they're all great. I know many people think that the Steelers dynasty is still the best, and I don't have a problem with that. I just have a problem with people brushing them aside because they dislike them. And I can totally understand why someone wouldn't like them. I'm sure you get sick of turning on sportscenter and hearing "Patriots this" and "Tom Brady that"

In 10 or 20 years from now, when the Patriots dynasty is long dead, do you think you'll stop thinking they're overrated, becasue you're not hearing their names constantly? Everyone on here seem to love every other dynasty.

[TheDeadWalk]

See, the thing is, I only think they're overrated when they are put at the top of the best dynasty list.

But in 10 or 20 years from now, I could be wrong if they keep accomplishing what they're doing now.

Could be.

Oh, and as for loving every other dynasty...

I respect the Steelers 'Steel curtain', but living in Ohio, being a Bengals-Browns fan, I really hate the Steelers. I think Terry Bradshaw is a turd, too. But they had a great team.

[SpacePuppet]

Agreed. I hate the Steelers too, but you can't deny their greatness.

[AwesomeJ33]

For your information those 70's Steelers teams and 90's Cowboys teams you're ranting and raving about are littered with Streroid users (steelers) and convicts (cowboys). What does that have to do with anything? Nothing, just like the posts about not winning by enough or being entertaining enough.

Score board baby, Score board.

I'm not a fan of any of these teams, and if you think that free agency had nothing to do with the 70's, 80's & 90's teams sticking together you are a bigger fool than you let on with your uninspired drivel.

[SpacePuppet]

Who is this directed at?

[Mr. HokeyPokey]

Funny after all this, the Patriots still suck.

[The Mack]

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey
Funny after all this, the Patriots still suck.

Good one...Tell me, what team do you root for again? Because no matter who it is, I'm willing to bet they haven't won more than one Super Bowl in the last 5 years. That's because the Patriots have held a monopoly on the Vince Lombardi trophy for three of the last five years. Only fans of the Ravens and the Bucs can remember what it's like to have their team win the Super Bowl.

I haven't thrown my two cents in on this thread yet, but even though I am a Pats fan, no, I don't think they are the greatest dynasty in the history of the NFL. I think they are the most improbable dynasty, a dynasty that defies the odds when you consider the fact that Commissioner Tagliabue himself says that the NFL is structered to prevent the formation of dynasties. Tagliabue himself believes what the Patriots are doing is amazing.

But that hasn't been your purpose on this thread at all. We can start with your statement that you're glad Bruschi had a stroke. Are you kidding me man? The guy has two little kids. I don't give a fuck if you think he's the dirtiest player in the game, you still shouldn't wish that upon anyone. So, if 49ers offensive lineman Thomas Herrion had a reputation around the league as being a dirty player, then you would believe that he had deserved to die last week. Because make no mistake about it, their is no difference. Strokes are life threatening.

And my favorite ones are your comments that "The Patriots suck." And then when everyone tells you to back it up, you just babble on and on about how the Patriots play dirty, and that they always line up offsides. That has to be the most juvenile argument I have ever heard. Yes, they are constantly lining up offsides. And the refs, they just never notice it. It's a league conspiracy, that's what it is. :rolleyes: Please. It's funny that no opposing receiver has ever accused the Patriots of lining up offsides. Don't you think someone would mention it if it was happening as often as you say it is? Or perhaps, like the refs, the opposing players also have no idea where the line of scrimmage is. In fact, you seem to be the only one who knows where the line of scrimmage is. I mean, you must be as you're the only one seeing it.

I just wonder if you'll still be on this board come January, and if you are, how much you'll be trying to back track on your statement about the Patriots not making the playoffs. I can hear it now, "Well, they won't win any games in the playoffs." then, "Well, maybe one game, but they're not going to the Super Bowl this year." then, "No Super Bowl title for the Pats this year." Then, they'll win the Super Bowl, and you'll come back in a few more months to say "This year, the Patriots won't make the playoffs." And the whole vicious cycle will start all over again. But on the bright side, if you continue to come back year after year and make the same prediction, eventually you'll end up being right, and the Patriots won't make the playoffs. You said earlier you'd be willing to make a little wager on your bold prediction. How much? I'm sure a lot of schmoes would love to know how much green you're willing to put on that prediction of the Patriots not making the playoffs. I mean, hell, everybody loves easy money. If you make that wager, you may as well just send the money now so I can get an early start on my Christmas shopping.

[RicochetShaw]

I think it's the Cowboys, for sure.

[Mr. HokeyPokey]

Originally posted by The Mack

I just wonder if you'll still be on this board come January, and if you are, how much you'll be trying to back track on your statement about the Patriots not making the playoffs.

Wont have to, it's a FACT that he patriots wont make the playoffs.

By the way, your reply was a big waste of time, you have no clue what you're talking about. But thanks for all of the personal insults... well attempts anyway.

[SpacePuppet]

It's a fact? Why is it a fact? Because you hate the Patirots?

[The Mack]

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey
Wont have to, it's a FACT that he patriots wont make the playoffs.

By the way, your reply was a big waste of time, you have no clue what you're talking about. But thanks for all of the personal insults... well attempts anyway.

Actually, I don't see one personal insult at you in my entire post. For the record, disagreeing with one's opinions is not a personal insult. Telling someone they have no clue what they're talking about might be considered one though, but that's fine considering the source.

No, you see the reason you didn't really respond to my post is because you can't think of any answers quick enough. So, I'll keep it simple for you, and narrow it down to just one question. If the Patriots are always lining up offsides, why does no one ever mention it? Not the refs, not the opposing coaches, not the opposing players, I've never even heard it from a fan until you. Why would no one mention it if it were that blatantly obvious.

And wow, I'm sorry to have wasted my time writing my last post. But you see, it's not a waste of time trying to figure out how you see your imaginary line of scrimmage. Besides, this coming from a guy who has not posted one constructive post on this entire board, sports or otherwise. Your posts are always insults, or off the cuff comments made with the sole purpose of pissing people off. Not really what the point of this forum is, but at some point, you'll get reported.

Until then, I'll drop it. Theirs clearly no point in disagreeing with you and hence, theirs no point in even engaging in a discussion with you on these boards. But hey, thanks for letting me know it's a "FACT" that the Patriots won't make the playoffs this year. I think I'll go put my life savings on that right now because wow... you said it.

[The Mack]

Originally posted by SpacePuppet
You said it Mack, he just says shit like that to piss people off. He doesn't have any facts to back up what he says to make it a reasonable argument. You try to figure out why he thinks the Patriots are overrated, then he just says you have no idea what you're talking about, and calls you a bandwagon fan.

Stop trying to argue with this guy, he's made up his mind. The Patriots will always suck, no matter what they do.

Space, I am done arguing with the guy. I find it to be pointless, and far too draining to try and drive a point home with someone who has a closed mind on the situation. Like you said, he thinks the Pats suck, and theres nothing you can say to make him change his mind. I bet they'll still suck after they three peat this year.

[SpacePuppet]

You said it Mack, he just says shit like that to piss people off. He doesn't have any facts to back up what he says to make it a reasonable argument. You try to figure out why he thinks the Patriots are overrated, then he just says you have no idea what you're talking about, and calls you a bandwagon fan.

Stop trying to argue with this guy, he's made up his mind. The Patriots will always suck, no matter what they do.

http://www.nfl.com/u/superbowl/photos/superbowl7a8_lower.jpg

Yup, he sure does suck.

[AwesomeJ33]

Who is this directed at?

I think we all know who its directed at.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey
Wont have to, it's a FACT that he patriots wont make the playoffs.

By the way, your reply was a big waste of time, you have no clue what you're talking about. But thanks for all of the personal insults... well attempts anyway.


I'm no fan of the Patriots, but c'mon, you're just being ostentatiously ignorant, and trying to "stir up" people.

Disregarding some one's post or discussion as a "giant waste of time", or saying some one has no clue what they're talking about, and then just responding as things "just still suck" is reflective of severe immaturity, and probably pre-pubesence. How old are you anyway? Are you aware you have to be 15 to join this board?

[The Mack]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
I'm no fan of the Patriots, but c'mon, you're just being ostentatiously ignorant, and trying to "stir up" people.

Disregarding some one's post or discussion as a "giant waste of time", or saying some one has no clue what they're talking about, and then just responding as things "just still suck" is reflective of severe immaturity, and probably pre-pubesence. How old are you anyway? Are you aware you have to be 15 to join this board?

:D

Well put.

[mcquade]

I think if we were able to have the 70's steelers, 90's Cowboys and the current Patriots play the rankings would be Cowboys, Steelers and Patriots. Its not that the Patriots are not a good team but, due to no fault of their own, they play in a watered down league when anyone can win the superbowl.
Back in the 70's and 90's Dynastys were built and battled other dynasty's. In the 70's the steelers continually battled other great teams like the Cowboys, Vikings, and the LA Rams. In the 90's the Cowboys battled the Bills and 49er's.
Nowadays it seems that teams are either a great defense and crap offense(Baltimore) or great offense but no defense(KC). In this day and age there are not alot of good solid teams around...Take into consideration the division that the Pats play in:

Bills - have been bad for quite some time, they never recovered from their mini dynasty in the 90's, they seem to be in a constant rebuilding mode on a yearly basis. There record over the last 4 yrs 26-38

Dolphins - They have been searching for a QB since Dan Marino left, it seems they always have a solid defense and an offense built around a weed head. There record for the last 4 years has been 34-30.

Jets - Always seem to be ready to take the next step. But have never fully recovered since Parcells took them to 12-4 in '98 and to the AFC championship game. There record the last 4 yrs 35-29

Now if the Patriots win again this year then all bets are off, they deservedly so will stand as the most successful NFL team ever.

[Winston Wolfe]

THERE ARE AT LEAST 3 SENIOR SCHMOES WHO COULD GET BANNED FROM OUR BOARD FOR COMMENTS MADE IN THIS THREAD. IF YOU WANT TO GET BANNED, CONTINUE INSULTING OTHERS (DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY) AS YOU ALREADY HAVE, AND WE WILL BE FORCED TO DO SO.

IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO GET BANNED, PLEASE CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION WITH RESPECT IN MIND, AND REMEMBER THAT EVERYONE IS JUST OFFERING THEIR....OPINION HERE, AND NOTHING ELSE. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS THAT YOUR TEAM SUCKS...DOESN'T ACTUALLY MAKE IT SO.

RESPECT, PLEASE.

[The Mack]

Originally posted by Winston Wolfe
THERE ARE AT LEAST 3 SENIOR SCHMOES WHO COULD GET BANNED FROM OUR BOARD FOR COMMENTS MADE IN THIS THREAD. IF YOU WANT TO GET BANNED, CONTINUE INSULTING OTHERS (DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY) AS YOU ALREADY HAVE, AND WE WILL BE FORCED TO DO SO.

IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO GET BANNED, PLEASE CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION WITH RESPECT IN MIND, AND REMEMBER THAT EVERYONE IS JUST OFFERING THEIR....OPINION HERE, AND NOTHING ELSE. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS THAT YOUR TEAM SUCKS...DOESN'T ACTUALLY MAKE IT SO.

RESPECT, PLEASE.

I agree, which is exactly why I said I wouldn't argue with Hokey anymore.

[SkyNet]

49ers without a doubt!

I hate the cowboys and am no fan of the Patriots.

But i do recognize the talent of the players on those teams, and the skill they possess to take them to that level. My beef with the cowboys and pats, isnt the players, ,coaches or anything like that... its the bandwagon love that follows. Before, the Patriots, well you really didnt hear anything about them, very rarely did you see a Pats jersey worn, or a jacket or anything... but once they won that first Super Bowl, EVERYONE had Pats shit... people dont stick with 1 team any more, its whose good... cuz noone wants that losing feeling, they go with who is good. Same thing for the Red Sox ( i know it has nothing to do with football but...) last year before the playoffs and world series... you went to an orioles game vs . the red sox, people cheered for the orioles. This year.. after the world series... it wa slike i was at Fenway park... people booing the orioles (and this was WAY before Raffy and all the other shit) people cheering for the red sox... it was sickening... Love a team because they are good one year, and loath them cuz they suck the next... stick with a team throughout and you will have your time to shine. People give more respect when they know someone has had a team forever, and that team finally pulls through.! Now dont get me wrong... there are TRUE hard core fans for all these teams... and my question to people who have loved the Pats forever, Loved the Cowboys forever, loved the Red Sox forever... dont these Bandwagon fans piss you off?? Because to me, it seems, they are stealing that thunder that you and everyone has been looking forward to and had a part in doing?! (In that i mean... i feel that the fans of these teams have a huge part in these teams winnign and losing... these guys win because of course, thats the name of the game... but they also want to please and make happy the fans)!

I stick with my 49ers through the good (NFL Dynasty) to the bad (Last Years 2 and 14 finish).

[SpacePuppet]

Yup, bandwagon fans piss me off too. But, Red Sox fans are anything but bandwagon. I know everyone hates the Boston teams, because of all the success we've had over the last few years. But it did take us a long time to get to this point! The Pats only made the superbowl 2 times before Brady, and both those times we got absolutely shitkicked.

In the 90's watching sports was hell in Boston. (but I did anyway)

[Wistown42]

Best Dynasty ever...... 1960s Green Bay Packers

Why do u think its called the Lombardi Trophy?

[Mr. HokeyPokey]

Originally posted by Wistown42
Best Dynasty ever...... 1960s Green Bay Packers

Why do u think its called the Lombardi Trophy?

I'll second that, amen brother, amen.

[zombievictim]

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey
Then learn to read because I just backed up my points on why i hate the Patriots and why they are over-rated.

and yes, Tedy Bruschi DESERVED his stroke because he doesn't play rough, he plays dirty.

Let me tell you something you don't know. Playing rough and cheating are completely different things. Bruschi is dirty and he cheats. And he got what was coming to him. I hope his career is over.

I know I'm late on this but you are heartless. You should be banned from the boards for saying shit like that

[SpacePuppet]

I agree. I mean even if Tedy did play dirty (which he doesn't) he did not deserve to have a stroke. Football is a game, but a stroke is life-threatening.