AotC vs. FotR (dun dun dun)

[Horror whore]

We all knew this would happen sooner or later. One word answers are fine...

Attack Of The Clones

(P.S.- For all you Star Wars/LOTR die-hard fans, this thread was made for pure fun, not dumb arguments, so whine some other place...)

[thingsgoinon]

Did I just stumble into AICN by accident? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I think we must have. Oh well, for arguments sake, I will go ahead and answer.

- I will take the Last Alliance battle over the Arena battle any day,...

- I will take Gandalf, Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, Legolas, Gimli, Boromir, and Aragorn over Obi-Wan, Anakin, Yoda and Padme any day,...

- I will take very good, and convincing acting over mediocre, corny, cheesy fun acting any day,...

- I will take Aragorn and Arwens romance (I felt like they cared more about eachother than Anakin and Padme and their "love" is covered in about 6 minutes max) over "Your skin isnt like sand." any day,...

- I will take Tolkiens eloquent dialouge over GLs horrible (in some cases) dialouge any day,...

- Orcs, Ringwraiths, Uruk-Hai, Balrogs, Cave Trolls, Watcher in the Wate, Gollum are cooler villians than Droids, Fetts, and Arena creatures,...

- Ill take real backrounds to all-CGI backrounds any day,...

- Ill take a real sense of wanting to be there, over GLs luescreen team - there enthusiasm for the projct makes all the difference

- Moria, Rivendell, Lothlorien, Hobbiton, ect. are more beautiful than Geonosis, Coruscant, and Tatooine, ect.,....

- Ill take Merry and Pippin to Threepios "this is such a drag" any day,....

- Ill take "this is a great film" to "hey, its SW - the OT wasnt any different any fuckin day!!!!!!!

I could keep going, but I wont for now.

[xirtam]

Dumb-Focker-** has something going there!!

Kinda harsh though, I mean Star Wars was still a really good movie, but LOTR is so much better...

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I am not trying to say that AotC was a ba film by any means. Ther were several parts of AotC that I liked alot; Anakin confessin to killin the Tuskens, the opening scenes of the movie with Obi-Wan and Anakin, and Obi-Wans scenes on Kamino. I just didnt much like the rest of it. The love story was on par with Pearl Harbor, the final battle was badly edited and didnt give any indication of scope, Christopher Lee was wasted (hecould have been so much better - he hd noting to do!) and Yodas fight was just silly - I didnt much care for it. Portmans acting was bad, Samuel L. Jackson was not Mace Windu - he was Samuel L. Jackson, Jango seemed to be there only because the fans of the OT love Bobas character,.... I could go on,....but I wont.

[Horror whore]

When I said "One word answers are fine" I meant "I don't care about your thoughts, just tell which God damn movie you like better" http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif... Just AotC or FotR in the reply is all I'm asking for...

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

But that wouldnt be any fun, now would it?? If we are going to choose, we might as well discuss the merits. Obviously, my vote goes to FotR.

[Horror whore]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
But that wouldnt be any fun, now would it?? If we are going to choose, we might as well discuss the merits. Obviously, my vote goes to FotR.</font>

Well, duh! I just think if we discuss why and why not the same people will post over and over explaining why another person is wrong...And so begins another argument. I just wanted to see what schmoes like more than what. And yes, it would be fun...

[Mr_Cheese]

Attack of the Clones

See just the title liked you asked... er, wait a minute... damn...

[Muha]

no contest... shouldnt even be brought up


LOTR kills star wars any day

[Scrunch]

I love being able to watch or own more than one movie. I don't have to choose. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I mean to me questions like these are like asking what's better? Chocolate fudge cake or cheesecake? For me it's a toss up. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[MixMasterMoose]

Dumb Fokker said everything that I was going to so....


LOTR: FOTR

[ColinM]

FOTR is the better film.

I think this thread was a bad idea, though. Remember when JoBlo gave us all that warning because of people being insulting lately? It happened because of threads like these...

[EvilAsh]

LOTR:FOTR

[urbanlegend23]

FOTR

[SAI]

Attack of the Clones, by a mile.
Fellowship of the ring is the most overrated film in recent memory. Overlong, repetitive and frequently dull.

[Tuukka]

LOTR, althought AOTC was a lot of fun also.

[Andrew Tom]

LOTR: FOTR without a doubt.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Boring one-word answers. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/icons/icon12.gif
Anyways, for the sake of having a good argument (hasnt been one for a while now) I will challenge SAI to explain how FotR is dull, repetitive, while AotC is not. I dont want any fanboy arguing, but moreover, legitamate discussion.

[arto_j]

I agree with SAI to an extent. At some points, I found the film to be dull and it was definitely overly long. But I can see why it was like that, because if Jackson would've left some of those scenes out, he would've been crusified by LotR fans.

What I also found disturbing about the film, was that when something interesting was happening, it felt like they rushed it so that the film could move on to more of those more boring moments (ie. Arwen's appearance).

I've never read the books so I don't have a clue how they were told there, I was only interested in how the movie went ahead, so I won't accept for a reason here that it was like that, because that's what happened in the novel.

However, I must say that LotR was still a better film that AotC. At least, the little romance that LotR had, it was *much* better in quality than the extended romance part of AotC. Also, Lucas seemed to be running out of ideas to keep the fans happy, so he seemes to recycle some stuff that's been found to be affective. He does this quite well though, i'm talking about the C-3PO humour etc.

As said, I consider LotR to be a better film, despite all of its flaws. But don't get me wrong, I liked AotC, partially because Lucas had recycled some of that old charm, and even if it's just half power of what it used to be, it still works. And the battle sequence in the end beats every action scene in LotR. In my opinion.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, although many disagree with your opinion on the film, I am glad someone gave it. As for your post, do agree with some of the things you said. I feel that Aragor and Arwens short on-screen romance was very genuinely convincing - they actually looked like they loved eachother.

"I've never read the books so I don't have a clue how they were told there, I was only interested in how the movie went ahead, so I won't accept for a reason here that it was like that, because that's what happened in the novel." I didnt really follow what you were trying to say here. So,....yeah.

As for thefilm being over-long - I felt like I was in the theater longer for AotC. I saw LotR 5 times, and have seen AotC 3, and every time I saw it, it felt longer than FotR. I think that when FotR comes out on DVD and Video, more people will beable to appreciate it. Alot of people, y dad for instance, cant sit in a theater for 3 hours, so, I think it will definately play better with some at home.

I also felt that the action scenes wre done MUCH better in FotR. The Last Alliance battle, although alot shorter, was much moe exciting than the big battle in SW. It gave us the scope of the battle, and also showed the battle up-close. It wa much more epic. And Sauron, although only present or a short while, gave off an impression o fear totally absent from the battles in AotC. That another thing -I never felt like an of the characters were in any real danger. And it has nothing to do with knowing who lives and dies, because I have read LotR and still got a bit nervous. The chase through Coruscant as oerlong, oring, and it didnt make much sense (also; why didnt Jango just shoot Obi-Wan and Anakin intead of Zin?) the Obi-Wan/Jango battle wasgood, but I prefer the Ringwraiths battle with Aragorn, and the last battle suffered from bad editing. The lightsaber duel wa good, but Yoda just ooked silly. Ihave the final battle downloaded, and still cannot warm up to Yoda bouncing off the walls. The Mines of Moria and the Balrog were intimidating, and the Cave Troll kicked ass all over the place. The final battle was aso very good. But to each their own I guess.
(my keybord is messing up, sorrry for any spelling mistakes)

[arto_j]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:

"I've never read the books so I don't have a clue how they were told there, I was only interested in how the movie went ahead, so I won't accept for a reason here that it was like that, because that's what happened in the novel." I didnt really follow what you were trying to say here. So,....yeah.
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Hang on...I'm having trouble figuring out what that means myself here...

Okay, I think I meant that I don't know what happened in the book, so I couldn't say if some scenes that i didn't like were written the same way in the book. I'm not sure if that's any clearer. It's not a very important point anyway.

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I also felt that the action scenes wre done MUCH better in FotR. The Last Alliance battle, although alot shorter, was much moe exciting than the big battle in SW. It gave us the scope of the battle, and also showed the battle up-close. It wa much more epic.
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I must disagree here. I thought that the AotC final battle was more capturing. But that's just a Star Wars- fan talking.

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And Sauron, although only present or a short while, gave off an impression o fear totally absent from the battles in AotC. That another thing -I never felt like an of the characters were in any real danger. And it has nothing to do with knowing who lives and dies, because I have read LotR and still got a bit nervous. The chase through Coruscant as oerlong, oring, and it didnt make much sense (also; why didnt Jango just shoot Obi-Wan and Anakin intead of Zin?) the Obi-Wan/Jango battle wasgood, but I prefer the Ringwraiths battle with Aragorn, and the last battle suffered from bad editing. The lightsaber duel wa good, but Yoda just ooked silly. Ihave the final battle downloaded, and still cannot warm up to Yoda bouncing off the walls.

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I must admit, the bad guys in FotR were indeed scarier and all around more succesful. As for the chase, I thought it was pretty exciting, though a bit extended. I strongly disagree what you said about Jango shoud´ve just shot them, that's not really "fair" to say that. I mean, how exciting would that be. Why won't any of the Bond villains just shoot Bond and blow up the world as they threat? Could be seen as a plot hole, but not really unless you're really looking for something wrong in the film. I hope there are some sentences here that make some sense.

[This message has been edited by arto_j (edited 05-27-2002).]

[SAI]

Okay Fokker, I'll bite.

LOTR is overlong. I have no problem with 3 hour films, Magnolia is one of my favourite films of all time, but that had 3 hours worth of story. I did not feel that FOTR did.

LOTR is repetitve. If I remember rightly there are four (may be 3) chases involving the hobbits and the ringwraiths, each practically indistinguishable from the last and adding nothing to the film but screentime.
How many times do we have to establish the rings hold over Bilbo? Once at the beginning of the film should be enough, why include a scene that does exactly the same thing in Rivendell?
How many close ups of the ring sitting in charaters hands does Jackson actually need?

LOTR is frequently dull
See all above
PLUS
Holy God it takes a long time to get going, much of the exposition needs to be cut to get the Hobbits on their journey earlier.


There were things I liked in the film, don't get me wrong, but they were few and far between. I particularly enjoyed the Balrog and the first 10 minutes are utterly brilliant.

As for Attack of the clones. It is far from perfect, for a start the love story is appalingly written, acted and directed. The reason it wins out is this; there were many moments in AOTC when I really got into both the plot and the visuals (with frequent exclamations of 'cool') for that, and for Yoda, my favourite Star Wars character (BTW I am by no means a fanboy, the only other Star Wars film I consider to be much above average is The Empire Strikes Back) finally having that lightsaber fight it is a film I will certainly watch again.

FOTR is not

A final point, I don't want to start any arguments here. You have your opinion, I respect that. I have now stated mine and this will be my last word on the subject (in this thread anyway)

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

SAI, let us try and remember that not all movie fans are as quick on the up-take as we are - many people I know thought that Sauron was Saruman before he turned into a human. Although the movie makes it apparent that its not, some people are just,.....you know. I also dont know why people complain about close-up's on the Ring - it wasnt done every 10 minutes, and the Ring is a major character in the film - it shoul get its screentime much like everyother character. The little things (like Bilbo andthe effects the Ring have on him) add more to the film than you think. You might have found them unnessecary, but maybe upon another viewing you will realize their importance. As for cutting exposition to get the Hobbits on their journey - maybe you will appreciate this viewig better at home. The exposition adds alot of backstory, and caracter development to the film, and without it, you would lose alot. As for arto_j, just a little comment about the Zin thing - I wasnt looking for a nit-pick, it just kinda stuck out as soonas I saw it, and bugged me for a little while. Anyways, im done here as well. So,...yeah.

[BitchTits]

I like both films very much, but FOTR is by far the better film.

And people who complain about FOTR being 3 hours long obviously have very short attention spans. Come on, you remind me of my fucking dumbass dad who whined and moaned about seeing FOTR with me because he couldn't sit in a theatre for 3 hours, then decided to sleep through the whole damn movie. Fucking asshole I'll never forgive him for that.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

My dad dithe same thing - but he can hardly stay awake for an hour and a half movie, so,.....

[Strider]

They're both great movies. But The Fellowship of the Ring is the better film.

Strider

[Horror whore]

Ok, I can handle this....No lesbianic arguments yet... My biggest problem with FotR is the pacing... AotC was just quick to get going and didn't stop... But FotR had to explain about the ring, what it does, how it got to be where, etc.... over and over again. Many scenes in the first hour of the movie could have been left out. Then there are the characters, they brought some in way too fast for some people to handle... I really truthfully didn't know the difference between Gimili, Legolas, and Boromir until the 2nd time I saw it... Those were my two major problems...

[The Heart Collector]

Too different. I think LOTR is the better movie, but I enjoyed AOTC a tad more.

[echo_bravo]

Thats just it Whore(hey I can refer to a chick as a whore and there cant be any backlash...sweet), AOTC was basically designed so a retarded 6 year old could follow it. I liked FOTRs 100 times more than than GL's nocturnal emission.
AOTC's lighting was like a soap opera...so was the acting, if not porno.
I agree with basically everything Dumb_Fokker said. The yoda fight was down right SILLY, but im sure it made all the SW fan boys wet in their pants.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I will admit that the theatrical cut of the film did have a bit of a problem with introducing the characters, but only for some. My mom and brother, who have read the books followed it, as did my girlfriend and her sister. The DVD will surely remedy this however. A extra 30 minutes will do more than some people think. As for AotC - the first time I saw it, I liked it alot more than I do know, and I think the main reason for that was the crowd; first time, loud, excited crowd, kinda got me wrapped up in it; second time, normal audience, payed attention to more, didnt like it so much. I understand that it is a bit hard to be objectional for some of you, because it is SW, but for someone like me, the flaws stick out more than they do with some, and Yoda fighting, or Anakin having Darth Vaders shadow doesnt work as a method of cancelling ot the dialouge, acting, and flat action scenes. I have heard some say that they didnt like the movie until Yoda fought, followed by a 10/10 "Yoda kicks ass!!!!!!!!" .....really, I think not. As for the pacing; FotR is a slower-paced film. It wants to establish things, and characters, and it wants you to be in Middle-Earth. GL just wants your money. Thats another reason I like FotR better. You can actually feel the love, and hard work that went into this film. In AotC all you can feel is a bit CGI-numb (well, me anyways). I kinda forgot my point, but I will reiterate one thing - I think for alot of people, FotR will play better at home. It is a more personal film. AotC works best with highly excitable crowds. Hell, I would like Freddy Got Fingered if the crowd was as hyped up as they were at that showing of AotC. Take Colin, for instance. After getting a DVD-quality copy, he realized that FotR was better than ABM (which he had thought wa better previously,.....at least I think it was Colin). But, I guess we`ll see. Oh, and echo; can we try not to offend any fans of AotC (myself being a psuedo-fan,....I didnt not like the film people!). We dont wanna have this turn into a bash-fest.

[mosespa]

lord of the rings is in my opinion the best film of all time.it used to be star wars and i for one am a fanatic, but i just loved FOTR so much that it had an affect on me.i sat at the premier of AOTC WISHING IT WAS the two towers.although LOTR didn't have natalie portman in that white outfit which hugged her nubile, young, tender body.... er, sorry drifted off there.perhaps that's it,in LOTR there was no portman to distract us from the movie.

[MixMasterMoose]

I already know I have said my two cents but am I the only one that felt that AOTC felt like Pearl Harbour in Space.

Just in the most basic sense.

Both had good action sequences but the rest of both movies were filled with horrible acting and a love storey no one cared about.

but than again maybe its just me.

[sleekproductions]

Attack Of The Clones Is The Better Film

[Puck Bond]

The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring-10/10(Best film of 2001)
Star Wars: Episode II-Attack of the Clones-8/10(fun SW film, better than TPM)

My choice is obvious.

[movieDUDE68686]

attack of the clones stunk... here's it's report card:

acting: 1/10
directing: 5/10
story: 5/10
visual fx: 10/10 (what saved the movie)
averaging out to a... 6/10

[tbone]

Sorry SAI while you may have a great arguement, I must disagree and say that LOTR is much better than the very medicore AOTC

[ColinM]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by movieDUDE68686:
acting: 1/10</font>

The acting wasn't nearly that bad! Could you explain why you gave it so low?

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Yeah, even I would give the acting a 6.5/10 (Ian, Lee, Ewan, and sometimes Hayden).

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Yeah, even I would give the acting a 6.5/10 (Ian, Lee, Ewan, and sometimes Hayden).