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Mentiroso

09-02-2005, 11:18 PM

Please explain how it is unrelated. Kanye West says George Bush hates black people because aid is not getting into the area fast enough.

My reply to this is that the storm only affected black people because obviously George Bush controls the weather now.

Now I could have put the classic /sarcasm at the end which would have meant that I was done with my sarcastic comment. I assumed most people , after watching the video, would understand this sarcasm. Sadly you did not. I apologize to you about this.

Now I was being sarcastic BECAUSE he is on a telethon for the Red Cross on live TV and for some reason he only seems to care about black people or maybe he is under the assumption that there are no white people in Louisianna? I do not know for sure. Either way, taking a valueable time on a fucking telethon to go off on a racist rant DESERVES a smart ass, sarcastic comment. Sorry if it was no up to your standards. Once again I apologize. /sarcasm

notchreturns

09-03-2005, 01:01 AM

If Kayne deserves to be shot, then George deserves to be thrown into a pit with bloodhtirsty lions whose fangs have been infected with herpes.

AJAX

09-03-2005, 02:24 AM

I saw this on ifilm.com, the look on Mike Myers face is priceless. At one point he totally steps away from him.

I agree with what Mr. West had to say. Even though he had his own agenda, I saw footage of Bush walking around and posing for photo ops with the victims and the fucker was smiling.

Buck Turgidson

09-03-2005, 02:26 AM

Kanye West is dead on the money.

bluesbrother965

09-03-2005, 02:29 AM

Alright, I got the clip to work. It was mostly just the lag, but I could hardly understand what Kanye's point was, until the end. It was like he couldn't even complete a sentence.

thedudeman69

09-03-2005, 03:33 AM

Aw, jesus christ. I loved the look on the face of Mike Myers and Chris Tucker when he said that. He is fucking stupid.

outsyder

09-03-2005, 03:40 AM

Kanye West is a whiny bitch.

Criminal Rock

09-03-2005, 05:07 AM

That was the funniest shit I've heard someone say in a long time. He doesn’t deserve to be shot though, he also doesn’t deserve the exaggerated comment either.

(Though I might slap him one if he said that to me, not only is it not true, it’s almost a racist comment in itself)

I thought Mike Myers was hilarious, he kept scratching his head and biting his lip as West was digging a deeper whole for himself.

what a jackass....

Cronos

09-03-2005, 08:25 AM

WTF, what a fucking idiot, using this to make a political statement :rolleyes:

ComeNightfall

09-03-2005, 11:36 AM

I wonder what Bill Cosby would say.

RustyRazor

09-03-2005, 11:43 AM

Just saw the clip: noticed a few things.

1) Has anyone ever seen the SNL sketch Mike Myers did with Heather Locklear when she was selling this pasta maker on his TV show and she kept making racial comments regarding her product?
He looked exactly the same way now as he did then!

Also, as he scratches his nose, he uses his middle finger. I wonder who that was to?

2) Kanye West is a highly outspoken individual who took an opportunity to voice his opinion at a time when it was out of place. You want people to donate money to help these poor individuals in New Orleans and the other ravaged areas. Bush being an asshole is irrelevant.

3) Chris Tucker, for once, was at a loss for words. He had to scramble and continue on. Wow.

4) Bush hates black people.
Personally, I can't say he hates black people. Only he can.
How about the state government of New Orleans? They didn't properly plan for a disaster that they knew could happen. Do they hate black people?

Black people, white people, and several other nationalities are stuck down there right now. The media will show you what it wants to inspire a certain feeling from you.

I proceed with the facts:

The state government of New Orleans f**ked its citizens over by not planning for this eventuality.
It's taken several days and several thousand deaths before anyone got down there to help these people.
We have a president who has stood by and watched thousands that look to him for leadership suffer and die because "so many people dropped the ball".

Bush doesn't hate JUST black people. He hates a lot more races than that.

If Texas got flooded out, how quickly would aid get down there?
And would any of the hispanics stand a chance?
I wonder.

Mentiroso

09-03-2005, 12:04 PM

If Bush is racist, it is the fault of the American people that he is in office. I for one, do not have a problem with Bush. My point is, Kanye is a little bitch for taking time on a telethon to jabber on about some political bullshit instead of doing what he is supposed to do. You can guarantee that any Bush supposrters would have turned the channel at that point and not donated money to the Red Cross if they had intended to because of what he said. It was stupid and selfish on his part to do what he did. Is it Bush's fault that most of the white people in N.O. got out and mostly blacks remain? No it is not. Maybe you should watch this clip from ABC with Ted Koppel and Michael Brown.

http://www.3030radio.com/koppel.wmv

He explains that you can not just rush into a disaster area with aid. You will get more people killed. It is not anyones fault that aid is not getting there faster. And to try and turn this into a race issuse just shows that Kanye West has NO CLASS what so ever. I guess in Kanye's "perfect world" helicopters would have rescued all the black people in about 30 minutes before the storm hit and left all the white people to die. This is not the case.

If it is anyones fault, it is the elected officials of Louisianna and Fema for not getting things done faster.It is just a fucked up situation so I do not blame anyone but the people who chose not to get out. I admit some people could not but I am sure some of the thousands that remain chose to remain out of stupidity. But to try and turn it around on the President is just shitty.

NuclearMisfit

09-03-2005, 12:14 PM

Again people continue not to take responsibilities for their own damn decisions and actions. Before the storm made landfall the govenor of Louisianna pleaded with people to evacuate, after the people who decided to evacuate did people on the streets who decided to stay were throwing a Hurricane Katrina party this is a video of Shepard Smith asking those remaining people why they didnt leave and why they are still there and the guy responds with its none of your fucking business.

Fox News Video (http://mediafetcher.com/?p=177&page=2)

Again the issue is not with the victims of the hurricane its always about why the LEFT doesnt like Bush, something can happen in a small village town in the middle of nowhere and all of a sudden the LEFT is protesting and screaming its Bushs fault.

People, the guy cant even say Nuclear and yet your giving him so much damn credit of hatching this master plan that would make Lex Luthor scared!

Kayne West has always irked me, hes just a whiney bitch who cant accept failure in his "career". The Storm had nothing to do with racism or discrimination of african americans, they ignored a mandatory evacuation, hell i dont think a hurricane knows the difference between a black or white person. Obviously Kayne was just pulling a publicity stunt to sell more records.

Mr. HokeyPokey

09-03-2005, 01:34 PM

I really liked Kanye West up until about 2 weeks ago when his interview came out saying the grammy's and MTV awards are shit. I mean he was actually complaining about not winning, and performing at the show, get a life kanye you're only a rapper... nothing more.

Now this, he does something to help the tragedy and he tries to take his popularity and play the race card one more time for the black people. Bush is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, and you are a rapper Kanye, a 2nd year rapper at that, you have no merrit to talk about worldly issues.

Don't get me wrong, I hate President Bush with a passion but it makes me sick how people don't respect him, he is still the president and is doing things to help this tragic event.

By the way, Why is it when things like this happen, and the HIV epidemic in Africa all these Black Celebs come out and play the race card? For christ sakes you have BET it doesn't get anymore racial then that. I'm going to start wet, W.E. T. White Entertainment Television and then we'll see what Kanye has to say about that.

For the record, and before anybody thinks i'm racist i'm far from it, I have lots of black friends and Rap is actually my favorite type of music. I just don't think celebs have any feet to stand on with these issues.

NuclearMisfit

09-03-2005, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey
I really liked Kanye West up until about 2 weeks ago when his interview came out saying the grammy's and MTV awards are shit. I mean he was actually complaining about not winning, and performing at the show, get a life kanye you're only a rapper... nothing more.

Now this, he does something to help the tragedy and he tries to take his popularity and play the race card one more time for the black people. Bush is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, and you are a rapper Kanye, a 2nd year rapper at that, you have no merrit to talk about worldly issues.

Don't get me wrong, I hate President Bush with a passion but it makes me sick how people don't respect him, he is still the president and is doing things to help this tragic event.

By the way, Why is it when things like this happen, and the HIV epidemic in Africa all these Black Celebs come out and play the race card? For christ sakes you have BET it doesn't get anymore racial then that. I'm going to start wet, W.E. T. White Entertainment Television and then we'll see what Kanye has to say about that.

For the record, and before anybody thinks i'm racist i'm far from it, I have lots of black friends and Rap is actually my favorite type of music. I just don't think celebs have any feet to stand on with these issues.

I dont care if anybody labels me as a racist for saying this but Kayne is a stupid asshole, heres the irony about this situation The hurricane came off the coast of Africa, so Africa is to blame for the whole thing :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Kayne: "Africa doesnt like the Black Community"

The Heart Collector

09-03-2005, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by NuclearMisfit
The Storm had nothing to do with racism or discrimination of african americans, they ignored a mandatory evacuation, hell i dont think a hurricane knows the difference between a black or white person.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE VEHICLES, CAPTAIN LOGIC.

SkyNet

09-03-2005, 02:50 PM

wow... i honestly dont get the correlation between this tragedy and race??? How can anyone make that connection?

EVERYONE lost their homes... to say something as fucking STUPID and IGNORANT as to say the reason black people havnt recieed any help is because President Bush is a racist??? Dude.. i NEVER EVER defend President Bush... and i honestly think he isnt doing everything he can to take care of this problem... but to call him a racist, is the stupidest most ignorant shit i have ever heard!

Its the reason this country can never be unified... because there is always one asshole who has to make shit about race... instead of coming together to make a bad situation better, they have to segregate the world into Black And White!

Kanye West can go suck a fat one... maybe instead of opening up his big fat fuckin mouth.. he should open up his big fat fuckin wallet and donate some cash to these "Black People" that arent being helped by the white man (suposedly.. if we listen to Kanye)!

bluesbrother965

09-03-2005, 03:26 PM

They couldn't find Fats Domino for a while, but they found and rescued him. Fats is black :)

Mr. HokeyPokey

09-03-2005, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by SkyNet

Kanye West can go suck a fat one... maybe instead of opening up his big fat fuckin mouth.. he should open up his big fat fuckin wallet and donate some cash to these "Black People" that arent being helped by the white man (suposedly.. if we listen to Kanye)!

If it wern't for white people, rappers wouldn't make the money they do. Who the hell do they think is buying the majority of their cds?

SkyNet

09-03-2005, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Mr. HokeyPokey
If it wern't for white people, rappers wouldn't make the money they do. Who the hell do they think is buying the majority of their cds?

2 things:

1) i have heard that before... from a comedian i believe it was... throw some credit to where you heard that originally!!

2) What the fuck does that have to do with anything i said?? I said Kanye West should donate some money to the relief instead of opening his mouth... What The Fuck does that have to do with who buys his records????

Criminal Rock

09-03-2005, 03:54 PM

Well skynet... you have to put two and two together… because without us whiteys, nearly all rappers wouldn't be as well known as they are nowadays in modern day pop-culture, specifically, in which West wouldn’t be speaking for a red cross commercial, in which we wouldn’t be having this conversation because we wouldn’t know who he is.

thedudeman69

09-03-2005, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by SkyNet
2) What the fuck does that have to do with anything i said?? I said Kanye West should donate some money to the relief instead of opening his mouth... What The Fuck does that have to do with who buys his records????

Well, Kanye West was basically making that statment on that telethon to boost the sales of his new cd. Basically, if he gets all the Bush haters in a tizzy, then he would make money. That was not the proper medium to make that statement.

eljefe15

09-03-2005, 06:04 PM

First off, fuck Bush! I know I already said that but, I just like saying it so much.

Secondly, if anyone is making a political statement; if anyone is going to exploit this tragic event it's going to be Bush. He was getting so much heat in Crawford from Cindy Sheehan that he said "let me go down there and take some pictures with some of them negroes." You guys remember that first, or maybe it was the second, Presidential debate when the moderator asked him about a hurricane victim in florida and he responded with, "well, I just put my arm around her and tried to love her the best that I can," or some such bullshit. Those people don't need love, you dumb bitch, they need water, food and shelter. What the fuck is he thinking? Is going down there to sand bag or to help evacuate victims. NO! He went down there for a photo-op, that is all. Or like when he landed in that air-craft carrier dressed like GI Joe and said "mission accomplished," he was doing the same shit. So what, he wanted to go down there and look like Moses, parting the waters and shit. What a fucking douche bag! What he needed to do is send the National Gaurd down there to help evacuate victims, help the hungry, cure the sick; you know, things JESUS would do. Why didn't he? Oh wait, yeah, all of our National Gaurd is in fucking IRAQ!

Remember, when Micheal Moore and everyone else for that matter, was complaining about the 7 minutes he sat in that classroom on 9/11? I say fuck the seven minutes. 5 days! 5 fucking days it took the government to get down there to help evacuate these people. Do you know how long 5 days is when you got a fucking ocean in your living room? This is not the 3rd world! (I don't like that term but I really don't know how else to describe it. Maybe underdeveloped country? I don't know.) 5 fucking days!

Lets face it, Bush and his douche bag conservatives have fallen asleep at the wheel! First 9/11, then Osama, then Iraq, the economy, the environment, education, gas is $3 a gallon, and now this. If this country elects another right wing nut job like this idiot for a few tax cuts, then we are a nation of dumb asses and we deserve what we get!

Lastly, I don't like George Bush. I don't respect him. Let me put it this way, I wouldn't piss on his head if his hair was on fire! But because I don't respect him, doesn't mean I don't respect the office of the Presidency. But even then, the President is not a king. He's not a pope. He's not god. He's our employee, and I say we fire his ass! If Bill Clinton can get impeached for lying about a blowjob he got from a fat chick, I think George Bush should be impeached for lying about the WMD in Iraq. Or how about we fire him for complete and total incompetence. Even at McDonald's they have standards. They won't keep you around if you keep fucking up the Happy Meals. FUCK BUSH!

"Bringing honor and integrity back to the White House," my ass!

Alrato!

Excerpts from Bush's speaches:

"We've got a lot of rebuilding to do. First, we're going to save lives and stabilize the situation. And then we're going to help these communities rebuild. The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch."

-Fuck Trent Lott!

"Q Mr. President, I realize the first priority is, obviously, saving lives. But let me ask you about long-term planning in New Orleans. There are some who are starting to say that since we're going to be spending billions in tax dollars to rebuild that great city, that we might want to think about building it in such a way where it's not below sea level again, whether it's somehow moved around or relocated or moved up. What are your thoughts on that?

THE PRESIDENT: My thoughts are, we're going to get somebody who knows what they're talking about when it comes to rebuilding cities. I'm going to delegate. I'm going to call upon the best experts, starting with the people of New Orleans, and get opinions as we work with the local folks. We're going to help people rebuild, Stretch. That's what we're going to do. And we're going to listen to people who know what they're doing."

-If only that would work for the environment and the economy and education and foreign relations. Wow, "listen to people that know what they're doing." What an interesting concept.

MacReady

09-03-2005, 07:27 PM

This thread is hitting critical mass...

bluesbrother965

09-03-2005, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by MacReady
This thread is hitting critical mass...

Yeah, we better reorganize it or something, before it explodes, destroying the lives of all the black members of our board.

Mentiroso

09-03-2005, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by bluesbrother965
Yeah, we better reorganize it or something, before it explodes, destroying the lives of all the black members of our board.

Yes because then Kanye would have to get on tv again but this time it would be "Joblo.com does not care about black people" and we really do not need that kind of publicity on this site.

Mentiroso

09-03-2005, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
THEY DIDN'T HAVE VEHICLES, CAPTAIN LOGIC.

Maybe I am wrong, but they had 2-3 days notice about this. You do realize you can WALK out of N.O. in about a day right? Believe me, they chose to stay. I do recognize the fact that maybe 10% of those stuck there now actually could not leave. Too old to walk, handicap, in the hospital, whatever. But the other 90% chose to stay because they are stupid. Sorry to be so blunt about it. If I was broke, had no vehicle, no friends, and knew a disaster was coming to Albany, Ga believe me when I say if I had 2-3 days warning, I could get my white ass out of the city in plenty of time. The people stuck who have no reason for being there are just making excuses, except for the ones I mentioned earlier who physically could not leave. To say otherwise is not helping the situation and just plain stupid.

Not a direct attack of you THC, just tired of everyone saying "They could not get out!!!" when most of them could have. Easily.

When the flood of 1994 hit Albany, Ga the same thing happened. People had 2 days warning. Chose to stay and lost everything and I shit you not, the black community (85% of Albany) actually blamed the elected officials and said it was racist. Racist because the projects were near (4 miles away I think) the river and the officials knew a flood would kill them. So this is not the first time lazy people have tried to play the race card during a tragedy. It just makes me sick hearing about it.

Instead of helping, it makes things worse. I can not think of one natural disaster that affected blacks more than whites or vice versa because it hits EVERYONE in the area. White, Black, Latino, Asian, EVERYONE!!

Stop using race as an excuse because they were too fucking stupid to leave.

Mentiroso

09-03-2005, 10:09 PM

Somone's funny reply to Kanye's comments

http://kaynerevenge.ytmnd.com/

Mentiroso

09-03-2005, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Somone's funny reply to Kanye's comments

http://kaynerevenge.ytmnd.com/

And one I just found hilarious

http://lootasnickers.ytmnd.com/

Mr. HokeyPokey

09-03-2005, 11:03 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SkyNet
2 things:

1) i have heard that before... from a comedian i believe it was... throw some credit to where you heard that originally!!

2) What the fuck does that have to do with anything i said?? I said Kanye West should donate some money to the relief instead of opening his mouth... What The Fuck does that have to do with who buys his records???? [/QUOTE

1. I've never heard that before, I came up with it. Feel free to show me where you heard it.

2. Look at what you said, it has everything to do with it.

adamjohnson

09-03-2005, 11:26 PM

Fire bad ... tree pretty.

Addi88

09-03-2005, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Somone's funny reply to Kanye's comments

http://kaynerevenge.ytmnd.com/

I found another great one about Kanye.

http://tetriskatrina.ytmnd.com/

*EDIT* The link doesn't seem to go to the Kanye site. aw man......

Mentiroso

09-04-2005, 01:05 AM

Jesus that one goes on forever! Really funny though.

Rittster

09-04-2005, 10:34 AM

The Postmaster General

09-04-2005, 11:40 AM

I seem to be the only one who saw this on live TV, not through larger than normal pixels.

Kanye West was pretty emotional and not actually being unarticulate as was said. It's like trying to say something when you are upset is kind of hard. I thought he was pretty sincere. He was clearly choked up - At first I thought he was having trouble reading cue cards, but it only took like 2 seconds to see his eyes wailing up and here his chest convulsing.

The fact that no one can see the correlation between this and race bothers me. The correlation is pretty fucking obvious -- members of the black communty FEEL like they aren't being treated right. They see the way aid was sent to Florida (where there are black people, just less) and they think it should be the same.

I'm not saing anyone is right --- but there is a saying you learn when you are married --- "You can never tell someone they are wrong for the way they are feeling." And the problem is everyone is in a hurry to be right, and they act like fools when it is suggested they are wrong. I've never before seen a society in such a drag-ass hurry to talk about why they aren't racist, and dismiss claims otherwise, basically boiling it down to "Silly black man."

Everyone blasts Kanye for making a political statement - then they go on to make even broader political statements. It's called freedom of speech, right? The timing of his statement is another topic all together.

Mike Myeres --- no one has seems to have caught it, but since apparently I'm the only one who saw this actually happen, and didn't get the spin off the internet, probably in the form of a caption from whatever source is positng the video --- I'll tell, ya - Myeres started crying too. He wasn't sitting there thinking Kanye was a moron, like someone mentioned --- He actually was tearing, and you could see the tears on his face. He wiped them twice if I remember correctly.

This is emotional for people, and it's shit to tell people they are wrong for feeling a certain way. I'm not going to deny anyone who thinks Kanye was wrong -- but FUCKING A --- It isn't like it came from out of nowhere, you know. Maybe instead of telling these people they are wrong, and telling them they are "idiots" maybe people should be a little more respectful and tell them what they think is the truth. And don't give me that "Well they aren't being very respectful shit...." Because you learn in like the 1st grade that just because someone else is acting a fool doesn't give yo uany right to.

And for the record - I'm not a fan of the guy. I couldn't figure out why he was so popular. Now I know -- he is one of the few popular rappers who is real, and isn't afriad to cry on national TV.

The whole mention of him trying to sell his new album was underhanded too -- Every single on of those celebs has new projects coming up. Maybe they were all there to push their new album.

Okay, okay -- I know I'm supposed to be funny and try to make everyone laugh, so I'm hopefully going to bring a smile ----

This is what Chris Tucker was thinking when they cut from Kanye to him: "Oh shit.... Everyone is going to look up and think I said that now. Damn. Better be quiet for a minute....."

Mentiroso

09-04-2005, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove

Okay, okay -- I know I'm supposed to be funny and try to make everyone laugh, so I'm hopefully going to bring a smile ----

This is what Chris Rock was thinking when they cut from Kanye to him: "Oh shit.... Everyone is going to look up and think I said that now. Damn. Better be quiet for a minute....."

I do not know what is funnier, your comment or that you think Chris Tucker is Chris Rock!

The Postmaster General

09-04-2005, 01:01 PM

Get the fuck off it. I don't think Chris Tucker is Chris Rock - You should know that about me. This is no different the time I said Tarantino wrote JFK, when I meant NBK, or the time I said Keanu Reeves when refering to the star of Superman - both instances where people thought they were being clever in pointing out my mistake. Stop trying to twist it into something funnier than me just making a mistake. And I damn well know what you were implying with that shit.

I got it right in this forum:

http://joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93989

I'm editing that shit, because it's always a lame move when the discussion turns to mistypes - obviously I know the difference Tucker and Rock.

But at least I did get a smile - intentioanally or not. ;)

PS - My response was less about thinking you were out of line for making a big deal out of a pretty obvious fucking mistake and more about me just being defensiv. I usually PM people to point out things that seem to be mistypes, and always don't appreciate people giving me any less respect than I give others. FYI. ;) I probably wouldn't have repsonded so defensively had I not already set the tone by making a joke about people mistaking West for Tucker [formerly Rock ;)] So don't take my comments to heart, I know you really were just throwing some egg on me and didn't mean anything like I saw Tucker and thought it was Rock.

And hell, I can only hope me getting so defensive has given you the biggest laugh so far. :D I'm not racist! I look for black people who need help all the time! :p

brodeurnumber1

09-04-2005, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by RustyRazor

Also, as he scratches his nose, he uses his middle finger. I wonder who that was to?
.

Actually that was his index finger, it just looks like his middle finger.

The Postmaster General

09-04-2005, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by brodeurnumber1
Actually that was his index finger, it just looks like his middle finger.

That's somethign that bugs me about all this.

I actually saw it, and to me, it came across nothing like I saw it on the net the next day - comparing him to Jesse and the like. He did go on a rant, yes, but the mood was much different than has been set in the after-the-fact accounts. People are looking at low-quality video trying to get an idea of the emotion that was going on there, and it's being missed entirely.

Like I said, Myers broke down as well. In no way was he thinking, "This guy is an idiot."

Sometimes people lose their cool. I'm thankful that I don't have the press to deal with when I lose my own.

LegionX

09-04-2005, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
No, it's nothing like what the thread started describes it as. Kayne West says 'George Bush doesn't care about black people'. And considering the amazing job he's done at responding to this tragedy, it sure as shit seems like it.

please dont try to tell me that he did an amazing job with the response time.... lol Your then lying to yourself. It took 4 days to get relif efforts from the US military to get to N.O. I dont know about you but they sure as hell got the troops over to Iraq in less than 2 days. He, himself even said that response time was not acceptable. So in defense of what Kanye said, it sure as hell did seem that way and not just for black people.

The Postmaster General

09-04-2005, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by LegionX
please dont try to tell me that he did an amazing job with the response time.... lol Your then lying to yourself. It took 4 days to get relif efforts from the US military to get to N.O. I dont know about you but they sure as hell got the troops over to Iraq in less than 2 days. He, himself even said that response time was not acceptable. So in defense of what Kanye said, it sure as hell did seem that way and not just for black people.

lol

I'm glad to see you've made it to this level too LegionX, but reread THC for a minute --- He's on our side. The "amazing" was internet-sarcasm. :D

Otherwise - fuck yeah. Perspective is key in understanding this shit.

LegionX

09-04-2005, 01:49 PM

lol ohhhh hes on our side...

OK YOUR AWSOME AGAIN.. lol my bad but my point still sticks lol

The Postmaster General

09-04-2005, 03:27 PM

*passes out refreshments and snacks*

Mentiroso

09-04-2005, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Get the fuck off it. I don't think Chris Tucker is Chris Rock - You should know that about me. This is no different the time I said Tarantino wrote JFK, when I meant NBK, or the time I said Keanu Reeves when refering to the star of Superman - both instances where people thought they were being clever in pointing out my mistake. Stop trying to twist it into something funnier than me just making a mistake. And I damn well know what you were implying with that shit.

I got it right in this forum:

http://joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93989

I'm editing that shit, because it's always a lame move when the discussion turns to mistypes - obviously I know the difference Tucker and Rock.

But at least I did get a smile - intentioanally or not. ;)

PS - My response was less about thinking you were out of line for making a big deal out of a pretty obvious fucking mistake and more about me just being defensiv. I usually PM people to point out things that seem to be mistypes, and always don't appreciate people giving me any less respect than I give others. FYI. ;) I probably wouldn't have repsonded so defensively had I not already set the tone by making a joke about people mistaking West for Tucker [formerly Rock ;)] So don't take my comments to heart, I know you really were just throwing some egg on me and didn't mean anything like I saw Tucker and thought it was Rock.

And hell, I can only hope me getting so defensive has given you the biggest laugh so far. :D I'm not racist! I look for black people who need help all the time! :p

Jeez, obsess much. I was just poking fun at you.

But back on topic. I do not care if Mike Myers was crying and agreed with Kanye and yes I did see the whole thing. My whole point to this thread is that he wasted valuable time and possibly did more damage than good because he wanted to get "political". He should have just read the cue cards and nothing else. Personally I dislike any celebrity who feels the need to use their time preaching to America on what they feel is right and it just makes me think less of him as a person because he did it at such a horrible time. That is the same as kicking a man when he is down. Such a low blow. Just goes to show you that he has no class.

When Clinton was in office, I hated him with a passion but if this had happened during his time in office I would not have gotten on tv instead of trying to get people to donate money, berate him on tv because I was against his agenda and how he was reacting to the situation.

There is a time and place to do this and this is the wrong time. And to play the race card just makes it even worse.

The Postmaster General

09-04-2005, 03:43 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mentiroso
Jeez, obsess much. I was just poking fun at you.

Chill dude, I already mentioned I'd just gotten defensive. You're cool, man. Stop kicking me while I'm down. I've been sitting in this page for the last... I don't know how many hours, hitting the refresh button over and over waiting to see if you'd poke more fun at me. And sure enough man. Now you are saying I'm obsessive. You don't know me man. You don't care about my mental state either. Obsessive. Ha!

*wink*

But back on topic. I do not care if Mike Myers was crying and agreed with Kanye and yes I did see the whole thing. My whole point to this thread is that he wasted valuable time and possibly did more damage than good because he wanted to get "political". He should have just read the cue cards and nothing else. Personally I dislike any celebrity who feels the need to use their time preaching to America on what they feel is right and it just makes me think less of him as a person because he did it at such a horrible time. That is the same as kicking a man when he is down. Such a low blow. Just goes to show you that he has no class.

I was mostly refering with Myers about the people who were saying he looked like he thought West was a jackass. Maybe he did, I don't know - but clearly it was an emotional time.

And without even touching on whether or not West was out of line, I don't see the difference in criticiszing West, and West criticizing Bush. It's all about politics. You aren't criticizing just West, it's an entire collective thought of many people - maybe numbering in the millions. Two wrongs don't make a right, and if West could have been out of line, I think the people speaking out against him are too. There is no difference in using a tragic event to get attention for your opinions, regardless of it you're right or not.

When Clinton was in office, I hated him with a passion but if this had happened during his time in office I would not have gotten on tv instead of trying to get people to donate money, berate him on tv because I was against his agenda and how he was reacting to the situation.

Had Clinton responded poorly to the events in Oklahoma, or Columbine, then he would have gotten the same criticism.

This isn't about people not liking Bush. This is about people blaming Bush for something they are going through at this moment in time. New Orleans was a red state, if I'm not mistaken, and right now the officials, for a large part are also complaining about the governments rush to aid. They just know how to not come off wrong when they say it... Well, the ones who have had some sleep at least.

I'm not excusing West, but what he says has a lot of meaning and isn't just the superficial drivel it's being reduced to. Personally, I agree with him -- not so much on the black issue, but I see where he is coming from. Where I've come from in Florida, we saw the police impose a mandatory evacuation, they were handing out sandbags, lots of stuff was getting done to help people, and response was super quick - even though our flooding is not comparable, they made provisions much quicker.

When I, and many, many people all around the world, look at New Orleans, we see many areas where things weren't handles responsibly. Someone mentioned that even Bush said something agreeing with that, though that's the first I've heard of that. My point is that people who are closely connected to stuff going on down there get very emotional, and may not come to the best conclusions, but we shouldn't dismiss them all together that they were on to something. At least that's how I feel.... ....obviously.

someguy

09-04-2005, 03:51 PM

I don't agree with what Kanye said, but it's easy to see why people think this is racism.

Two thirds of Louisiana is black. It took 4-5 days for aid to come in. Just by looking at these two things and noticing George W's whole treatment of blacks since he's been in office, people are going to make a connection to race.

There was no political motivation in what Kanye said. As bubba pointed out, he looked like he was going to break down and was already teared up. It was him expressing his personal frustration, rage and disappointment over this entire thing. Plus anyone thinking that he's doing it for political reasons has to realize that nobody will go to the voting booth and be like 'I'M VOTING AGAINST BUSH BECAUSE KANYE WEST SAID HE WAS BAD!'

Please use common sense here.

AJAX

09-04-2005, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by someguy
Please use common sense here.

I wish someone would tell that to George Bush. Honestly, what kind of human being in his position of power takes a FIVE WEEK VACATION during war time. Yes we are still at war despite what the media would like you to believe. Jobs are all going away, gas prices are at an all time high, New Orleans is underwater, and this useless fucker is down there smiling and telling these people everything is going to be ok. No it's not! These people are fucked! It will take years to rebuild. And get the media outta there, when are these heartless fuckers going to stop preying on human suffering. You are not helping anything going down there and asking people how they feel about all of this. How the fuck do you think they feel. They lost everything!

Mentiroso

09-04-2005, 05:32 PM

How is it the President's fault that they had no idea how big this thing was and how much damage it could do. You might as well ask the President to build a invisible, impenetrable dome over every city that could possibly in the future have a huge natural disaster. Yes the response time is slow but you can not expect truck loads of help to come pouring into a city that is cut off and totally flooded. It takes time. I guess everyone is looking for someone to blame at this point but you can only fault mother nature for messing up the cities. When the city is below sea level it will have mass flooding, that is common sense. There is nothing you can do about a big ass storm coming in and drowning half the city. Nothing. It is not like help was just sitting around watching re-runs of Friends on tv. People were doing the best they could to get in their and it is insulting to the people busting their ass out there at this moment to say they were too slow. That has to cut to the bone of every volunteer/soldier/official out there doing what they can to save those people and whats left of the city. Cut them some slack.

someguy

09-04-2005, 07:47 PM

Honestly people, do you think the ones complaining are blaming Bush and the other people in power for the hurricane? No they're fucking not. People are complaining that it took 5 days before any federal aid came in, and you just resort to 'well he dun maek no hurricane!' Of course he didn't fucking make the hurricane, people are pissed that it takes almost an entire week after it hit for the federal government to send in help for an area in their own country. This isn't about Bush making a hurricane, this is about the government's colossal failure at not reacting quickly enough to this. Ajax doesn't like how when 80% of the city is underwater Bush is saying that everything will be ok and something wonderful will come from this in time.

And for those saying that we couldn't expect the magnitude of it, there was a few days notice and the hurricane was not stopping. Plus our homeland security and other protective type government programs are there to prepare for the worst. By saying that nobody expected what damage it would do you are basically supporting those programs failing at what they are supposed to do, along with not using the common sense (hmmm, cat 5 hurricane coming towards New Orleans with levees that have constantly requested for government support for many years due to their not so good conditions, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN).

ps, me saying 'use common sense' may be considered an insult or me just being plain rude but I am not. I'm not insulting anyone and my intentions aren't to, I just think that this is a black and white type thing about the failure of federal aid among other things, so there's no need to stretch it out.

Mentiroso

09-04-2005, 08:33 PM

Yes but how do you expect them to get in there more quickly? Since you seem to be pretty up and up on the subject, how would you do it? FEMA has said over and over that they could not anticipate the devistation. It is something you can not calculate. Impossible. Yes things could have been handled better but this is not a perfect world.

And let's not forget who put these people in charge. The citizens of the United States of America did. So we as a people failed because we should have had sense enough to put someone better in office. Maybe someone with magical powers that could predict that this was going to be as bad as it was and give the people 2 weeks, instead of 2-3 days to get out? This seems to be what some of you people want.

You can not predict something like this, even with those billion dollar computers the govt uses. The best they can do is calculate about a million different scenarios. Out of those million, maybe 2 or 3 will be right but you do not know until the shit hits the fan.

Once again, to blame the President is just stupid and silly. Blame FEMA, blame the govt of Louisianna. But how can you back a man who sits there and calls the President a racist because those people were not smart enough to evacuate? Would you prefer the National Guard to go in while the hurricane is hitting and try a resuce? Maybe an hour after it hits while they still have no idea what is going on. Lets just drop them in the middle of the fucking city by helicopter and see if they can save someone then. This just seems to be what you think is correct. I do not. Rushing people into a situation like that is going to get more people killed and then you end up with the families of those people suing the govt because they were dumb enough to send them in when they had no idea what was going on in the city. You have to evaluate the problem and then fix it. You do not try to fix it first because you will just be making things worse. Either way you people (those agreeing that rescue was too slow) will blame the President because of something not in his control.

The Postmaster General

09-04-2005, 08:53 PM

Mentiroso - The way you are thinking that Bush is being criticized, and the way he is actually is being criticized - It's apples and oranges.

Didn't anything I said about people reacting mean anything? Most people don't know all of the members of the government, so when something goes wrong they yell at the guy in charge.

Whether or not they are justified in their pleas is almost irrelevent, because the fact of the matter is everyone from all sides of the arguement -- all of the experts - everyone is saying that the emergency response was lacking. Do you expect the people to sift though the sewage at the library and look up the members of their government so they can be sure they are complaining about the right person?

YOu are resorting to the level that you are claiming these people are on, by not giving a moment to think about why they might be yelling. If these people are doing anything wrong, it would be, as you say, placing blame on the wrong person. Well, just because they are doing that - I don't think others need to go just as blind in defense and deny that things weren't "up to par."

And about FEMA - I mentioned this somewhere, but my mom still lives in Florida, and she said that there is a lot with about 300 left over FEMA trailers. She asked her friend with the Red Cross if she knew why they haven't been sent out, and it was because of lack of man power.

We see them in Iraq - they have machines that can build a bridge in like 5 minutes, or something insane --- We watched them dropping food and water, handing out candy, comforting the people of Iraq the first day of our occupation.

There is more that could be done here at home.

The Heart Collector

09-04-2005, 08:55 PM

EVERYONE IN THE PLANET knew that the levees weren't gonna hold and that this thing was going to be a damn catastrophe, and to suggest that the people who stayed 'weren't smart enough to evacuate' is nothing short of taking a shit on their graves.

Mentiroso

09-04-2005, 09:14 PM

And saying the people who are tyring their best to rescue these people are too slow, is that not taking a shit directly on them?

And Bubba, I get what you are saying. Same thing happens at my work. We screw up, they do not go to our manager but they go to the company owner. I do understand.

I just think there is a time and place for pointing fingers and this is just not it.

I am pretty much done with this thread because I am not going to beat a dead horse. I do understand what everyone here who disagrees with me said, and I respect it. I just do not agree.

The Postmaster General

09-04-2005, 10:49 PM

I don't mean any disrespect about the education comment. It has nothing at all to do with being smart. There is no difference between the way I said it, and saying that "everyone knew they were going to break" "They should have known better", etc. etc. - I am mostly speaking of the fact that they don't see full gravity of the situation. But really - I don't mean any ill will about the education comment. I sort of took an easy route to get my point across,because most people don't want a psychological dissertation --- It boils down to not seeing something the same way the people watching on TV see it. We can sit here and say, "Oh, they should have known." --- Well, that comment is the same thing as saying they were uneducated. The point of the matter is that it's all bullshit, because I'm looking at the people caught in the floords, and they don't really look like they knew better - they look pretty surprised if you ask me. I don' think they were faking that.

People were also unable to evacuate because of transportation issues, being caught off guard, and any number of other reasons - I was the one of the first ones on the boards to mention that.

What I'm saying is the same thing Mentiroso is saying - this isn't a time to point fingers. Pointing fingers about who isn't doing things right, who isn't saying things right, who is saying things in a way deemed insulting --- It's all a bit pety.

However, the only people I think have a right to complain are the people caught in the shit. West was attempting to be a voice for those people. That's all I took from it - no offense to me.

Also -

I'm not totally sure if you all are clear on the timeline of events The evacuations for the levee failures didn't occur until after the flooding occurred. These people had no reason to evacuate until they did. At that point, it was too late. After the storm went through, many of the evacuees were returning back, and oh, guess what, the levees did break after all. Some people in there actually had returned after leaving. No one knew for sure that the levees were going to break. The storm had weakened by that time, and it was a bad wager they took.

However, I'm hearing a lot of confusing seperate groups of people -- There are the people who left because of the hurricane - fled away from the coast. Then there are the people who got flooded after the systems failed. I keep hearing the two of them lumped into the same catagory, some parts overlap, but there were two situations - the media just lumps it under "hurricance."

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
EVERYONE IN THE PLANET knew that the levees weren't gonna hold and that this thing was going to be a damn catastrophe....

Are you talking about the mole people?

Criminal Rock

09-05-2005, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
EVERYONE IN THE PLANET knew that the levees weren't gonna hold and that this thing was going to be a damn catastrophe, and to suggest that the people who stayed 'weren't smart enough to evacuate' is nothing short of taking a shit on their graves.

Everyone understood that there was going to be flooding in New Orleans, because it happened before, but 20 feet of water is without doubt NOT what they were expecting… no one predicted the levies to break wide open and cause mass flooding.

The people who did stay, stayed on their own volition… all the 60,000 people (guessing), who didn’t evacuate, are not in wheelchairs with feeding tubes stuck down their throats. It was very possible for them to leave, or get to a safe part of the city; there are many different ways to do this with 3 days notice, even with a family. And from what I understand, most underestimated the hurricanes’ power and destruction, some stayed to loot, and some couldn’t leave their homes due to health reasons, which in my opinion, the “reasoning” of their stay goes in this order.

SkyNet

09-05-2005, 07:13 PM

did anyone see Jesse Jackson today on CNN?? his quote was saying that everyone is racist in getting help to new orleans??

While whoever shoots Kanye West... can they take a detour and shoot Jesse Jackson too...

i am so sick and tired of that fucking bitch ALWAYS making EVERY GOD DAMN situation into race

That man is the most racist man alive... more racist then any member of the KKK.

Leave it to tehse people to turn a Hurricane into a RACIST issue... fucking ass holes... should just shut the fuck up and die.

Jesse Jackson.... not everything needs to have your ignorance interspersed into it... some situations dont need your stupid ass on tv trying to get some sort of recognition for it. You Racist Bitch

TheGodSon

09-05-2005, 07:29 PM

Bush gets blamed for everything.

Frankly, I blame him for my erectile dysfuction.

Mentiroso

09-05-2005, 07:30 PM

I know I said I would stay out but I wanted to add this Wolf Blitzer clip.

Is it me or is it just funny the way he phrases what he says?

http://newsbusters.org/media/2005-09-01-CNNTSRBlitzer.wmv

MacReady

09-05-2005, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Tai Mai Jew
The people who did stay, stayed on their own volition… all the 60,000 people (guessing), who didn’t evacuate, are not in wheelchairs with feeding tubes stuck down their throats. It was very possible for them to leave, or get to a safe part of the city; there are many different ways to do this with 3 days notice, even with a family. And from what I understand, most underestimated the hurricanes’ power and destruction, some stayed to loot, and some couldn’t leave their homes due to health reasons, which in my opinion, the “reasoning” of their stay goes in this order.

I'm not an expert on the hurricane but, where exactly could they have gone? New Orleans is a pretty big city and it would've probably taken a day to get out. Were the forrests safe or anything? Wouldn't they have been also under the wrath of the hurricane as well? Besides, where do they go after the hurricane?

thedudeman69

09-05-2005, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by MacReady
I'm not an expert on the hurricane but, where exactly could they have gone? New Orleans is a pretty big city and it would've probably taken a day to get out. Were the forrests safe or anything? Wouldn't they have been also under the wrath of the hurricane as well? Besides, where do they go after the hurricane?

Wait a fucking second, almost thousands of people died and you worry about some fucking forest? Are you a tree hugger or something? :p

MacReady

09-06-2005, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Wait a fucking second, almost thousands of people died and you worry about some fucking forest? Are you a tree hugger or something? :p

I meant if the poor folks ventured into the forrest they still wouldn't be safe.

BakeTheMooCow

09-06-2005, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by Tai Mai Jew
Everyone understood that there was going to be flooding in New Orleans, because it happened before, but 20 feet of water is without doubt NOT what they were expecting… no one predicted the levies to break wide open and cause mass flooding.

"A major hurricane could swamp New Orleans under 20 feet of water, killing thousands."

-- Scientific American, October 2001 (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00060286-CB58-1315-8B5883414B7F0000)

PWNED

Shockwave

09-06-2005, 06:21 AM

EVERYONE predicted the leives wouldnt hold, but no one listened to them, and as sad as it is to say that INCLUDES most people living IN New Orleans.

3 DAYS before this crap happend i remember a news caster saying "guys gtf out! Your NOT taking this seriously enough!"..and he was right.

That being said the response time on this shit was non-existant. Its like no one had ANY time of plan, from the people to the government, to the city itself.

RustyRazor

09-06-2005, 10:18 AM

What's disturbing me are the stories that people said "they're not leaving" and stayed, even after being warned several days before AND NOW, still refusing to leave but wanting food and water as they remain in the city.

This is unacceptable.

They've told you to get the f**k out of New Orleans! Get the f**k out of New Orleans!

I'm not talking about those that can't. I'm talking about those that WONT.
Are the stories bullshit? Could be. But I know people. This is exactly how people are.

"I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying here. Keep feeding me."
BULLSHIT!

They've got too many people that still WANT to leave, not just in New Orleans! The other affected areas in Mississippi need help too!

You don't want to go? Fine! But get the f**k out of the way of those that do!

SORRY: COMPLETELY OFF OF TOPIC! :(

Kanye: pick your time to speak better.
State government of New Orleans: you're going to burn in Hell
President Bush: it's only $199 per person at Orbitz.com for flights to Bermuda. Plan your vacation today!:cool:

Mr-Blonde

09-06-2005, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Shockwave
EVERYONE predicted the leives wouldnt hold, but no one listened to them, and as sad as it is to say that INCLUDES most people living IN New Orleans.

Guess how long that they were trying to get federal funding to improve those very same levees? (At least) Since Sept, 12 2001 when they compiled a list of the most likely disasters to occur in America. New Orleans and it's antiquated levee system was at the top of that list. Guess which administration cut the funding that New Orleans was supposed to get and funneled it into "homeland security" and this ridiculous "War on Terror" effort?

DRbeauty

09-06-2005, 12:28 PM

I think if Kanye West wanted to make a meaningful statement, he should have told those people to stop fucking shooting at the people who are trying to help them. Retards.

The Postmaster General

09-06-2005, 01:19 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BakeTheMooCow
"A major hurricane could swamp New Orleans under 20 feet of water, killing thousands."

-- Scientific American, October 2001 (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00060286-CB58-1315-8B5883414B7F0000)

If everyone knew about it -- Why didn't the mayor order full evacuation until after the levees broke? Obviously the mayor wasn't anticipating it, or there would have been full city evacuation, and not just evacuation to high ground (ground that later flooded) I guess you haven't come across that fact in your online research of New Orleans infrastructure -- which as we all know - every person living in every town knows all about their city's emergency preparedness systems, about the government budget, and about what has been requested for repair.

Read this:

The initial evacuation was because of the hurricane -- They expected 8 feet of water, not 20 feet. Since you are lookign up shit to prove how the people of New Orleans should have known better, why don't you one-up yourself and look up a fucking time line of events. You might learn a little bit more.

It's easy for us with our internet to go around and collect all the damn evidence in the world and think we are smarter than the people who didn't evacuate --- but the point of the matter is that not even the mayor seemed to have anticipated the levees breaking -- Or there would have been the full evacuation. Not just evacuating to the areas that ended up flooded and the had to evacuate from later. That's fucking obvious.

The flooding you people kept hearing about, and the flooding you all are smugly talking about when you say "They knew it would flood" was all about the STORM SURGE that was going to flush over the levees. The flooding they were talking about on the news was the 8 feet of water that the got the first morning when people saw the hurricane had passed by Louisinanna to do MUCH MORE damage to nearby states.

People were even getting ready to RETURN to New Orleans when the levees broke. I imagine that if they'd made it back, and ended up trapped in the flood -- You would still be saying they knew it would flood, and questioning they didn't evacuate. I watched the news and the whole time - the only flooding they talked about was if the storm surge forced water over the levees, and how that would be bad bcause they'd have to wait for everything to settle before they could start draining, as it would essentially be turned into a swimming pool. There was hardly, if any, talk about them breaking, or at least none that was focused on --- All this shit about the state of repairs they were in, and how they should of known --- All of it came out after the fact. Before they levees broke they were comparing the flooding to a swimming pool - after, you can't even call it flooding - the city ended up in the middle of a lake. LITERALLY!

That floooding wouldn't have been a big deal, because they could have just pumped that water back out in a matter of time. Again, I'll repeat -- People were on their way BACK INTO THE CITY when the levees break. You see newsfeed of New Orleans under a small amount of water -- enough that you can go up to your second floor and get away with -- You see people looking at the damage. Then you see a 2nd set of picutres, after the levee broke, and "Oh shit! EVERYTHING is under water." You people think you are looking at the same picutres from the same thing, or something similarly wrong, like thinking that when they wer talking about the water washing over the levees that they were talking about the levees breaking -- something, but it's clearly a misunderstanding of what actually happened and what was anticipated happening.

You people are completely ignoring the fact that there were TWO evacuations that were ordered because of TWO SEPERATE EVENTS? And even worse you act like smart asses because you are able to go on the net and figure out all this stuff that the mayor should have acted like they knew.

They didn't even start talking about the levees breaking, though the said it COULD happen, but the first concern of levees breaking on a public scale occured when they started seeing leaks forming and the structure giving way. Then they were like "Oh shit!"

This is driving me nuts -- most people had their TV on before the hurricane hit, then after the levees broke --- Most people don't seem to have any fucking clue as to the actual timeline of events and I hear people lumping everything into one event, with no clue as to how everything went down.

And yeah -- Every single person in New Orleans reads Scientific America online - Great fucking point!!
:rolleyes:

Imagine if California got hit by an earthquake and half the population was killed -- Would you all be playing the "Well they knew they lived on a fault line" card? Chances are, you'd show some compassion.

The Postmaster General

09-06-2005, 01:33 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RustyRazor
What's disturbing me are the stories that people said "they're not leaving" and stayed, even after being warned several days before AND NOW, still refusing to leave but wanting food and water as they remain in the city.

Assuming they have a high speed boat that can get them out of the city in enough time to make it worth it -- do you mind if they come and stay at your house since there aren't many options of places to go. Even the evacuation shelters were evacuated. Figure that one out.

BakeTheMooCow

09-06-2005, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
BLAH BLAH BLAH

WTF? I believe that since scientists predicted that flood waters would reach 20 feet and that thousands of people could be affected, the state and federal governments should have taken precautions, poured money into preparing the city for the eventual disaster. I don't believe that the people who did not evacuate are to blame for their predicament. I have not and would never blame the victims and you need to stop making assumptions and say shit like "Yeah -- Every single person in New Orleans reads Scientific America online - Great fucking point!! :rolleyes: " Tai Mai Jew said no one expected 20 feet of water. I pointed out that scientists did predict that, well in advance. What I didn't say was the people of New Orleans should be blamed for not leaving the city.

The Postmaster General

09-06-2005, 03:50 PM

I was not addressing every single one of my frustrations onto you, and normally I would be sorry for coming across that way, but today I know it's nothing more than "blah blah blah" to you - but at least now I can see the maturity level you are willing to stoop to. Next time at least be funny about it, and say "i'm rubber you're glue..." or some much better versed shit that gets the same point across with out sounding like a broken walrus.

My point, which you so blatantly missed with the enthusiasm of a hostile grandmother, was that not every single laymen in the country listens to scientists. Its' easy for us to draw all these facts from our resources (internet, all the new interest in levees in the media...) but my point was that this is all kind of "after the fact". For years they put scientific facts about smoking on the sides of cigarettes, and not many people were like, "Oh, these kill you. I better stop." Only recently has that declined.

Maybe I should have just said it that way. Or maybe I should have just sayed "Scientists PWNED people of New Orleans - booyah!" That would have probably meant less 'blah blah blah'. Most of my post was pretty complimentary toward your knowledge of New Orleans infrastructure, but blah blah blah.

Talk to the hand, my ass ain't listening. Nanny-Nanny-Boo-Boo Stick your head in the poo poo.

C-Desecration-

09-06-2005, 03:56 PM

And yeah -- Every single person in New Orleans reads Scientific America online - Great fucking point!!
WTF?
I have not and would never blame the victims and you need to stop making assumptions and say shit like "Yeah -- Every single person in New Orleans reads Scientific America online - Great fucking point!!
Next time at least be funny about it, and say "i'm rubber you're glue..." or some much better versed shit that gets the same point across with out sounding like a broken walrus.

Talk to the hand, my ass ain't listening

This is so hot.

The Postmaster General

09-06-2005, 04:01 PM

The bad part is that I still don't think anyone gets that no one was told to evacuate because the levees might break.

BakeTheMooCow

09-06-2005, 04:11 PM

I know you think you're really unique and that everyone yearns for your 30000 word posts, but don't kid yourself. When you make a ridiculous assumption and then proceed to ramble on like Richard Lewis on a coke binge, maaaybe I'm going to gloss over it and tell you that you're wrong. That's just me.

All I'm saying is that people pay taxes to the government. The government has an obligation to protect its citizens. If there is a danger looming, such as a hurricane, the government should have taken into account every possible means of minimizing damage and harm to the people of the city, yada yada yada. Whether these concerns were raised by SciAm or National Geographic (http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/) in their Oct 2004 issue, that's not the point. The government wasn't doing its job.

The Postmaster General

09-06-2005, 04:18 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BakeTheMooCow
I know you think you're really unique and that everyone yearns for your 30000 word posts, but don't kid yourself. When you make a ridiculous assumption and then proceed to ramble on like Richard Lewis on a coke binge, maaaybe I'm going to gloss over it and tell you that you're wrong. That's just me.

Yeah, I got that point when I realized no one was catching the part about no one being evacuated because the levees might break.

And no, I don't think I'm unique. I think posters like you are unique. Most people here have fun and don't obviously attempt to disparage others. Or maybe that's just you.

All I'm saying is that people pay taxes to the government. The government has an obligation to protect its citizens. If there is a danger looming, such as a hurricane, the government should have taken into account every possible means of minimizing damage and harm to the people of the city, yada yada yada. Whether these concerns were raised by SciAm or National Geographic (http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/) in their Oct 2004 issue, that's not the point. The government wasn't doing its job.

Yeah, I totally agree with you. It's the people who act like it's the people's fault, or look down on them for not being the fuck out of there --- Those are the people who I am frustrated about. Sorry for directing the SA jab at you. I could have just said, "Most people don't know about what goes on in SA," and it would have gotten the same point across, and you would have kept cool and not gone ape shit like I do.

I can't help that I post long replies. I'm very bothered by the events, and have a lot of stuff racing through my head. Not only that, Richard Lewis is hanging out with me, and we are doing coke. He keeps egging me on to add more.

But don't hate.

Funk-Monkey

09-06-2005, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Mentiroso
How is it the President's fault that they had no idea how big this thing was and how much damage it could do. You might as well ask the President to build a invisible, impenetrable dome over every city that could possibly in the future have a huge natural disaster. Yes the response time is slow but you can not expect truck loads of help to come pouring into a city that is cut off and totally flooded. It takes time. I guess everyone is looking for someone to blame at this point but you can only fault mother nature for messing up the cities. When the city is below sea level it will have mass flooding, that is common sense. There is nothing you can do about a big ass storm coming in and drowning half the city. Nothing. It is not like help was just sitting around watching re-runs of Friends on tv. People were doing the best they could to get in their and it is insulting to the people busting their ass out there at this moment to say they were too slow. That has to cut to the bone of every volunteer/soldier/official out there doing what they can to save those people and whats left of the city. Cut them some slack.

first of all believe it or not Bush cut funding from the city of NO that was meant to repair/enhance the levees that keep the city from flooding. this may have been avoided or not even happened this bad.

secondly yes you 'should' expect a faster response time. that is what the national guard is for..NATURAL DISASTERS....but bush has them all in IRAQ...genius. these guys are not even soldiers.

there are 3 things that scientists and environmental specialists have made public way before bush was in office. they said America was not prepared for:

1) a major terrorist event in New York City
2) a massive flood/hurricane in NO/Mississppi
3) a major earthquake in California

so far we're 2 for 3.

i dont think people are looking for someone to blame but when shyt like 9/11 and major events occur the first question that is asked is "Well how the fuck did this even happen and why were we caught with our pants down?"

the president makes those calls and its his job to make sure shyt doesnt happen or when it does happen at least their is a plan in place to minimize the damage as much as possible.

i dont know if i blame bush as much as everyone else. hes jus not the sharpest pencil in the box. theres nothing racist about being dumb.

the title of this thread is also a little harsh. Kanye should be SHOT because he voiced his opinion? damn. i wouldnt wish that on anybody. aint no coming back from that.

MacReady

09-06-2005, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
I can't help that I post long replies. I'm very bothered by the events, and have a lot of stuff racing through my head. Not only that, Richard Lewis is hanging out with me, and we are doing coke. He keeps egging me on to add more.

But don't hate.

How does the event tie in with you long posts? You've posted long for like, as long as you've been here. You're the Andrei Tarkovsky of schmoes.

The Postmaster General

09-06-2005, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by MacReady
How does the event tie in with you long posts? You've posted long for like, as long as you've been here. You're the Andrei Tarkovsky of schmoes.

Yeah, it's not the event as much as the racing thoughts, and allowing Richard Lewis to stay on my couch.

The Postmaster General

09-07-2005, 03:36 AM

Just re-reading this thread.....

Did anyone actually read the article Bake linked in his post? It's 7 pages long, but well worth it because it shows how much was put into trying to get things fixed down there. Hopefully people take the time to read it and there's no glossing over there. It brings up lots of good factual information.

Someone screwed up, and that seems obvious -- now, more and more authorities are coming out saying that - Republicans and Democrats.

IMO, it shows many of the reasons people have to be frustrated with the government. I think people focus on the president because he's the leader, and the name most people know.

normanbatesjr

09-08-2005, 12:50 PM

As long as we're shooting people for saying asinine things, here's a nice little list. (http://www.reandev.com/taliban/)

Though I actually agree with him about the way the media portrays white people and black people.

screamer581

09-08-2005, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by normanbatesjr
As long as we're shooting people for saying asinine things, here's a nice little list. (http://www.reandev.com/taliban/)

Kanye might be a moron, but those people disgust me.

echo_bravo

09-08-2005, 07:28 PM

Guess how long that they were trying to get federal funding to improve those very same levees? (At least) Since Sept, 12 2001 when they compiled a list of the most likely disasters to occur in America. New Orleans and it's antiquated levee system was at the top of that list. Guess which administration cut the funding that New Orleans was supposed to get and funneled it into "homeland security" and this ridiculous "War on Terror" effort?

Whoa, Micheal Moore is a schmoe on Joblo kickass!!!!

This thread has gotten way off course. It was merely about Kayne West. Speaking of which, cant we all agree that his comments were blatantly ignorant? Like Mentiroso stated, this comment probably did more harm than good. He was supposed to be there for a fundrasier to raise money for the victims, but instead goes off on an incoherent rant

Also, my buddy flies heliicopters at West Point and has told me about rescue missions when using helicopters. I dont think any person realizes the preparation that is involved in a helicopter rescue mission.

Anways, I hope things get better for the people of Lousiana and Miss. (cant forget about them). Making ignorant statements like what Kayne West did will solve nothing.

The Heart Collector

09-08-2005, 07:47 PM

If someone chose to not donate money to a worthy cause because he had different opinions than some rapper, he/she isn't even worthy of consideration as a human being. Seriously. You have to be a complete piece of shit to even consider the thought.

The Postmaster General

09-08-2005, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by echo_bravo
This thread has gotten way off course. It was merely about Kayne West. Speaking of which, cant we all agree that his comments were blatantly ignorant?

I don't agree that they were blatantly ignorant. I think he could have been out of line. I know he was upset and pissed off, maybe struggling to get his point across. To say it's ignorant though - he gave ample reasons leading up to saying what he said. It isn't exactly like he just came up and went "Doi, bush no like black people." -- He gave a list of things he saw going on and a list of things many other people have been saying, and he made the conclusion that Bush doesn't like black people.

To act like it's not understandable where he was coming from in his rant - that seems kind of ignorant because it's not seeing that there are at least two sides to every story.

Maybe Bush likes black people. Maybe he loves the hell out of him. I don't know. All I know is that a popular segment of the black community has always distrusted Bush's motives and Kanye voiced this. To me, that seems like more of a cause of conern and discussion than a cause for debate. When I hear people covering their ears, calling Kanye and idiot, all I really hear is "Who cares what those people think?"