Jesse Jackson siezes the moment

[Lynn7]

article (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/02/D8CCAOI81.html)

At a time where tensions are running high and there are a lot of people who need to be saved, Jackson begins to stir up racial tension for his own gain. Can't he just pick up the phone and make arrangements to get people help? Instead he sows the seeds of hatred and tries to divide the country.

If my link doens't work here is the address:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/02/D8CCAOI81.html

[Lynn7]

And here is another example divisiveness from Kanye West. NBC's management knows that a comment like the one he made can turn off a lot of people and stop them from sending money. As a conservative, I would not send my money through them because ot a comment like that. I would find some other way to donate that did not show up as support to him.

article (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050903/D8CCNBNO0.html)

and here is the address in case the link doens't take:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050903/D8CCNBNO0.html

[The Postmaster General]

Yeah - I actually saw it happen last night.

Kanye was crying when he said that.

I didn't bother posting it, because I didn't want to see the words of someone who was visible distraught, and frustrated get shat upon for political manuevering.

When Rush, a political pundit, talks about this stuff, he's is mearly speaking out against political manipulation --- When a rap star talks about this stuff, people like Rush call it political manipulation.

Seems kind of odd.


And just to mention it, because I like to smile - I found it comical when they cut away from Kanye West and cut to Chris Tucker - He was wide eyed and looked very nervous. All I could think was that he must have been thinking "Oh shit. They are going to all look up the TV now and think I said that." :)

[Thrizzle]

Bush:
We've got a lot of rebuilding to do. First, we're going to save lives and stabilize the situation. And then we're going to help these communities rebuild. The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch.

Thats the real tragedy.

I cant stand watching him smirk while he gives insincere speeches about how sorry he is. I dont think ive ever been so disgusted.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by Thrizzle
Bush:
We've got a lot of rebuilding to do. First, we're going to save lives and stabilize the situation. And then we're going to help these communities rebuild. The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch.

Thats the real tragedy.

I cant stand watching him smirk while he gives insincere speeches about how sorry he is. I dont think ive ever been so disgusted.


DUDE - is that for real or is this satire????????

It's damn scary when I can't tell the difference anymore.



EDIT: Holy shit, I wish I'd never looked...

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by Thrizzle
Bush:
I cant stand watching him smirk while he gives insincere speeches about how sorry he is. I dont think ive ever been so disgusted.

I have just never seen a man so completely and unfairly maligned in my life. They guy bends over backwards to be nice and understanding to every side and yet he is blamed for every single thing that is wrong with the world. There are thousands of people who work in the aganices that are supposed to rescue and yet of course it is Bush's fault that the hurricane hit, and that the hurrican did damage and that the people refused to evacuate or that the poor couldn't evacuate and that the rescue wasn't fast enough and now he is even told that he hates black people. This guy is so completely all-powrful, I guess that he is the cause for ALL of the problems in the world. In his spare time he is also secretly profitting from the sky high oil prices.

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Yeah - I actually saw it happen last night.

Kanye was crying when he said that.


He may have been crying but what he said was very bad. How would you like it if I said that Bubba hates black people? You would not like it at all and I'm sure Bush did not appreciate it either. Crying doens't excuse anything and I guarantee you his little weepy moment cost the relief efforts a lot of money. Many people turned the tv off at that moment.

[The Postmaster General]

I know you won't believe me when I say this, but I would honestly try and figure out what exactly I was doing that was having these things being said about me.

People bomblast me all the time for things I've said in these forums, and I have ALWAYS responded to the accusations of what my intentions are. I always acknowledge the way people feel about me when I say things that people think are out of line, or poorly intended. That's because I care.

And yes, poor Bush. He is too stupid to realize that comparing a senator who has multiple homes, in other states, is insulting to the people he is there to make feel better. Yes, a senator is going to have his house rebuilt -- surely this means better days are ahead for everyone. Oh, silly Bush - we forgive you. You know not what you say.

[Lynn7]

Bush has bent over backwards trying to reach out to black people. He has never done anything to them that could be construed as racist. West based his comment on.....nothing. Nothing except jumping onthe Jesse JAckson bandwagon of divisive politics. By saying that comment he possibly did some real financial damage to the people he supposedly cares about.

Now can I say that KAnye West is an egotistical, divisive RICH man who put his urge to say his venomous, baseless accustation ahead of people's real needs? and will he offer to make up the financial damge his comments might have caused with HIS OWN MONEY? He might give a drop in the bucket but that is all it will be.

[The Postmaster General]

Oh - So you UNDERSTAND why Bush supporters would focus more on that comment than on the disaster. You UNDERSTAND why someone would decide to not give money, putting pollitics ahead of real tragedy. You UNDERSTAND that people may get upset and not act in the best interests, and not think straight enough to see two sides of something.

If people turned off the concert because of Kanye's comments, and if they decided not donate because of them -- they are just as out of line as he may have been, and I would argue MORE out of line than him.

It never ceases to amaze me the double standards in what's understandable when it comes to emotions.

Although I've always understood the concept of "those people" so while it always amazes me, it never confuses me. It has more to do with why the world is a cold place than any criminal acts imaginable.

[Lynn7]

Those is a legitamate word and usually does not carry the connotation of racism. Those people at the supermarket. those people at the movie, those people on the street, at the beach etc.

You work with people so it is no suprise to you that emotion is a very powerful tool in motivating and demotivating people. If someone is collecting money at the supermarket entrance and saying please donate and thank you so much for your donation then that person walks away feeling good and ready to dig into his or her pocket again. When that same person gives money for a cause and the person takes it and has an attitude like the money was owed to the agency collecting, the donator will feel unappreciated and resentful. If that collector insults a person that donator happens to like (Bush, Kennedy etc) , they may not want to donate. It's human nature.

Marketers understand emotion and that is why they will fire someone as their spokesperson who is involved with scandal. What West did was very stupid in terms of raising money. He had the right to do it of course but what was the point of his being there? To alienate half or more of the audience? Even my liberal friends get tired of hearing of the race card being played when it is inappropriate. This was an inapproprite time- racism had nothing to do with this disaster.

[The Postmaster General]

No, it doesn't imply racism, but it does imply a feeling of being disconnected.

And I'm not as concerned as much with his right to say what he said, and whether or not he is in the wrong.

What concerns me more is the fact that you, and it seems BUSH too --- Seem to want to act like you have absolutely no clue why this is being said. What? Racism? Huh? Well, those people are just out of line!!

I've been called racist for being a Liberal, and I understand why.

But - what? Bush is racist? Huh? Why would people think that? Geez! What a bunch of maroons. Let me set hear and defend Bush while mentioning how crazy those people are - just because I'm more concerned with the way Bush looks than concerned about why he's being seen that way. We need to stand up for the leader of the free world, because obviously he can't do it himself. Those people in New Orleans are the strong ones we must defend against -- "those people", you know. Poor weak Bush - they are just picking on him.

It reminds me of when you confront someone about lying - and even though you show them proof of their lie, they act insulted and act like you have no right to accuse them of lying.

Maybe your evidence points to something else - something other than a lie.

But when they don't take you seriously, and don't act like they are concerned about the evidence --- Then it doesn't take much to think, "Hm. Maybe they aren't concerned because I'm right, and they dont' want to admit it."

Fuck, I see where you people are coming from. That takes something, IMO.

[Lynn7]

You know, what is racism? It is when someone treats someone badly because of the color of their skin right? I have not seen that at all in this situation. I have seen support pouring out.

The people were warned to get out- many of them didn't try. Many of them even now are refusing to leave. And today someone told me that some are saying that the victims of the hurricane should be given the same financial settlements as the victims of 9-11. Sometimes I think the word racism is brought up to intimidate people into feeling guilty about racism (which isns't even occuring) and then give out large sums of money just to get people to stop saying that label. That is what works for Jackson so why shouldn't it work for everyone else.

I think the best thing would have been to leave race out of all of this and just demand fast results (as American citizens). The mayor of NO could have been raised to the level of a Rudy Guiliani but instead chose a different divisive route. I belevie that it is only a few people who are talking like this but it is just a wrong track to take at a time like this.

[The Postmaster General]

I don't think anyone can compare 9/11 and this.

Bush showed up the next day in New York telling the people it would be alright.

The day after the hurricane, Bush flew over in Air Force One to look at the damage.

Different events, and different reactions.

[echo_bravo]

BubbaStrangelove doesnt care about black people

Whohoo, I just played the race card. Man, it feels great to do that. You dont even have to back up your shit with any factual evidence or any reasoning what so ever!

Oh and by the way, I was tearing up when I said so I guess it was okay.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
BubbaStrangelove doesnt care about black people

Whohoo, I just played the race card. Man, it feels great to do that. You dont even have to back up your shit with any factual evidence or any reasoning what so ever!

Oh and by the way, I was tearing up when I said so I guess it was okay.


Well, instead of acknowledging what you said, I'll just leave it at you playing the race card and look down on you like you have no reason to be upset, and go so far as to allow the people who support me to make fun and belittle you as a show of disrespect. I will continue to ignore the fact that you are speaking for a wide section of people, not just for yourself, and act as if the words you use mean more than the actual emotions you are expressing. I will totally ignore not only the Golden Rule, but the "sticks and stones" thing I was taught in pre-K. In fact, I will go so far as to act like I REALLY DON't care, which is a far cry from how I portrayed myself prior to November.

Oh and by-the-way, it's my second term, so I guess it's okay.


(BTW - I wasn't actually speaking of my self -- Just fantasizing to prove a seperate point I pretty well fleshed over a couple of days ago. Even more important, I said two or three times that while I don't excuse what Kanye said, I don't think anyone should ignore WHY he said it, because that means more --- Of course that's a harder concept to make sound silly, so I understand why echo didn't reply to that stuff....)

EDIT:

But just to humor --

Hey echo_bravo - Kanye spoke for about 2 minutes about the things that he think makes it look like the blacks are getting picked on. He said all of that before slamming Bush. He pretty well backed up why he said "Bush doesn't care about black people" --- Stop reading only the captions and headlines, and you'll avoid the nonsense you are finding.