Michael Moore Wastes No Time

[EVILxxx]

Thursday, Sept. 8, 2005 8:20 p.m. EDT

Michael Moore May Make Katrina Movie

Michael Moore might be focusing his camera's eye on Hurricane Katrina and what he sees as the Bush administration's willful destruction of New Orleans.

MSNBC's Jeanette Walls reports that a source told her, "It has all the elements that made ‘Fahrenheit 911’ such a powerful film ... The political outrage, the human suffering, and the incredible footage.”

"There is much to be said and done about the manmade annihilation of New Orleans, caused NOT by a hurricane but by the very specific decisions made by the Bush administration in the past four and a half years,” he wrote.

"Do not listen to anyone who says we can discuss all this later. No, we can’t. Our country is in an immediate state of vulnerability. More hurricanes, wars, and other disasters are on the way, and a lazy bunch of self-satisfied lunatics are still running the show.”

As NewsMax reported last Friday, Moore has already written an "open letter" to the president, accusing him of racism, misusing our military in Iraq, and of staying on vacation while Hurricane Katrina ravaged the Gulf Coast.

This guy is something else. I suppose in the few days following the hurricane Moore has already heavily researched the subject matter, collected concrete data, tested "said data" and has come up with an informed hypothesis. I wonder when humans became so technologically advanced that we were able to conjure up natural disasters at will. Maybe instead of crying conspiracy everytime this country falls on hard times he should donate some of his millions on relief for those effected.

[outsyder]

It's not like it will hamper his chances of re-election.

[someguy]

blah blah blah twisting facts blah blah blah extreme left winger blah blah blah not true blah blah blah blah blah blah

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
Maybe instead of crying conspiracy everytime this country falls on hard times he should donate some of his millions on relief for those effected.


He hasn't?

[Mr-Blonde]

This is total bullshit. Most of the unanswered question raised in Farenheit 9/11 are still just that-- UNANSWERED!

I invite you to look at his web page (http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2005-09-07) to see the relief efforts his organization has brought to the city of New Orleans as well as the Gulf region in general.

[EVILxxx]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
He hasn't?

Well good for him. I ran a quick web search to see what I could come up didn't find anything, probably should have checked his site(duh), but does anyone here actually believe George Bush willfully destroyed New Orleans because he hates black people?

This is total bullshit. Most of the unanswered question raised in Farenheit 9/11 are still just that-- UNANSWERED!

Really? I could have sworn just about all of his accusations have been debunked.

blah blah blah twisting facts blah blah blah extreme left winger blah blah blah not true blah blah blah blah blah blah

Oh that's rich. So when some one questions MM's motives he can't speak intelligently on it. He is just blabbering on from what they heard from Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity, or some other Bush brown noser.
Any way I have to go. *walks out with arms outstretched* " Must watch Fox news. Must watch Fox News."

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
Well good for him. I ran a quick web search to see what I could come up didn't find anything, probably should have checked his site(duh), but does anyone here actually believe George Bush willfully destroyed New Orleans because he hates black people?


Oh, I don't know if he gave money or not. I was surprised to hear he hadn't since pretty much all celebs have.

I don't think anyone thinks Bush did anything willfully. A lot of people in New Orleans have voiced frustration, saying he appears unconcerned, or insincere.

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by Mr-Blonde
This is total bullshit. Most of the unanswered question raised in Farenheit 9/11 are still just that-- UNANSWERED!

I invite you to look at his web page (http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2005-09-07) to see the relief efforts his organization has brought to the city of New Orleans as well as the Gulf region in general.


Did I miss something- it seems that he is soliciting others to donate but where does it say that he donated? A lot of very wealthy celebs attend these high profile fundraisers to raise other people's money- that always cracks me up.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Was it funny when Bush asked people to send money?

I don't see the difference.

[MacReady]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Was it funny when Bush asked people to send money?

Speaking of which, has that cheapskate donated a single dime to helping out the folks there?

EVILxxx, that's the difference between Moore and Bush: one waste not time, while the other takes several minutes (or days, depending on the disaster) to react.

[EVILxxx]

Originally posted by MacReady

EVILxxx, that's the difference between Moore and Bush: one waste not time, while the other takes several minutes (or days, depending on the disaster) to react.

Indeed.

[Criminal Rock]

Speaking of which, has that cheapskate donated a single dime to helping out the folks there?

Have you? Did you contribute your money to the Tsunami relief funds when they were flooded? How about on 9/11?

At this point, I don't think it’s relevant all that much if he has or hasn't… he’s the president of the United states, he’ll be exhausting more time and effort on the problem then you or I for the next 3 years.

[MacReady]

Originally posted by Tai Mai Jew
Have you? Did you contribute your money to the Tsunami relief funds when they were flooded? How about on 9/11?

At this point, I don't think it’s relevant all that much if he has or hasn't… he’s the president of the United states, he’ll be exhausting more time and effort on the problem then you or I for the next 3 years.

I'm not a millionaire. Bush is. You'd think he'd spare a dime here and there since it's his own country.

And how is having firemen that could be used in NO being made to do photo shoots instead helping his country?

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by Tai Mai Jew
At this point, I don't think it’s relevant all that much if he has or hasn't… he’s the president of the United states, he’ll be exhausting more time and effort on the problem then you or I for the next 3 years.


I agree with this, but for a different reason./


To me: Alec Baldwin, George Bush, Michael Moore, etc --- It's none of my buisiness how much money they have given, or how they try to help. They are all doing more than most everyone else in the country.

What is important to me is that they all try to do something ---- I'm not fortunate enough to be a celebrity, so people won't listen when I say "Give Money", but they listen when celebs say it, so they are using their names to help. When Bush took responsibility for any screw ups on his end - That made him okay by me (on that front at least). And maybe he should be doing more, but maybe I should too.

Help is help. You don't merit it.

[MacReady]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Help is help. You don't merit it.

Maybe, but I feel that Bush is doing as good a job at helping as Sean Penn.

[SpongeBod]

Originally posted by MacReady
I'm not a millionaire. Bush is. You'd think he'd spare a dime here and there since it's his own country.

So, only millionaires should make a donation to the relief effort?

I think if you're not in the poor house, and instead live inside a fortress of Criterion DVDs. You can afford to make a contribution.

[BakeTheMooCow]

Originally posted by SpongeBod
So, only millionaires should make a donation to the relief effort?

I think if you're not in the poor house, and instead live inside a fortress of Criterion DVDs. You can afford to make a contribution.

Well said.

Instead of watching 50 movies a week and criticize others for not donating enough, MacReady.. maybe you should practice what you preach. Or do you just not have enough time between Baby For Sale and The Green Berets?

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Help is help. You don't merit it.
Originally posted by MacReady
Maybe, but I feel that Bush is doing as good a job at helping as Sean Penn.


Maybe I'm right that help is help... ...but maybe not because you think Bush is doing as good a job at helping as Sean Penn?

Huh?

I'm not sure how your opinion of Bush ties in with my assertion that we should be appreciative toward all types of help.

[MacReady]

Allright, I'll put my money where my mouth is. Show me a place to make a donation. Better yet (althought this is a longshot) anybody know where I can make one in person in Ottawa? I acutally prefer that option.

Ah hell, I'll look into it myself.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Dude, it's not about that (for me anyway...)

What you do in your personal life is no one's buisiness, and has nothing to do with any of your points.

But it isl cool of you to give money - whether it only because you think it's a cool thing to do, or if because you were egged on to do so (still knowing it's the right thing) -- Whatever. All that should matter is the outcome.

To me, that's where the difference lays between Michael Moore and George Bush. When George Bush fucks up (worst case scenario here) we go into a war for the wrong reasons, people die, economies collapse, injustice occurs (I'm not saying this is happening, I'm just saying that would be the WORST CASE scenario if something were wrong.) -- Okay, but when Michael Moore fucks up, gee - we have to read an opinion we disagree with or see a movie we disagree with, or maybe more people will disagree with us.

I just don't know about comparing those two guys, which seems to happen so often. I don't remember if you did it, or whatever - I just notice it happens a lot, like a tit-for-tot type of thing. The outcomes of the actions are so vastly different. George Bush knows that - he taunted Moore by having him at his convention, or he also have been welcoming him - All I know is that clearly Bush doesn't see Moore as a threat.

[someguy]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
Oh that's rich. So when some one questions MM's motives he can't speak intelligently on it. He is just blabbering on from what they heard from Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity, or some other Bush brown noser.
Any way I have to go. *walks out with arms outstretched* " Must watch Fox news. Must watch Fox News."

Not that they don't speak intelligently, they just become redundant

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
I agree with this, but for a different reason./


To me: Alec Baldwin, George Bush, Michael Moore, etc --- It's none of my buisiness how much money they have given, or how they try to help. They are all doing more than most everyone else in the country.

What is important to me is that they all try to do something ---- I'm not fortunate enough to be a celebrity, so people won't listen when I say "Give Money", but they listen when celebs say it, so they are using their names to help. When Bush took responsibility for any screw ups on his end - That made him okay by me (on that front at least). And maybe he should be doing more, but maybe I should too.

Help is help. You don't merit it.

It matters to me if they give money- if they as rich peoplea re out trying to raise our money and then they get the awards and the cudos for raising the money I think it's important to see that they are getting a lot of good PR for this stuff. They need to give serious money if they are after ours. It's like when they go out and tell usa ll to vote and then we find out they are not even registered.

Bush's doantions are made public every year and he gives hundreds of thousands of dollars as I recall. I know the response to this will be that he owns the world's oil and all he gives is hundreds of thousands of dollars. He just can't catch a break.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by Lynn7
It matters to me if they give money- if they as rich peoplea re out trying to raise our money and then they get the awards and the cudos for raising the money I think it's important to see that they are getting a lot of good PR for this stuff. They need to give serious money if they are after ours. It's like when they go out and tell usa ll to vote and then we find out they are not even registered.


This is funny, because you are also refering to George Bush, who I catagorized along with Alec Baldwin, and Michael Moore. Please re-read my first paragraph.

You are saying these people are hypocrites because they don't give "serious money", yet when you are directly refering to Bush you say he can't get a break.

Obviously you didn't read or comprehend my post because you ended saying that you "know" the response will be about Bush needing to give more. if you'd paid any respect to my point you wouldn't have said that as I made it clear, "Alec Baldwin, George Bush, Michael Moore, etc --- It's none of my buisiness how much money they have given, or how they try to help. They are all doing more than most everyone else in the country."

Sorry, I don't think Jesus would be checking people's public records to merit the extent that they are helping hurricane victims. That doesn't jive.

[Lynn7]

It matters when they don't give out of their riches but they expect us to give out of our middle classness. It does matter.

It does not matter to me if they are not out raising money. If we are talking about Adam Sandler or Heath Ledger who are not out trying to get us to donate then I don't care how much they give (although I would think better of them if I heard they were giving). I think when people go on air and are asking for money they need not be hypocritical by asking us to do what they are NOT doing.


I don't seem to remember having brought up what Jesus thought about allof this but since you brought it up there is an account of where Jesus is in the temple and a rich man goes up and puts a lot of money into donation and then a widow goes up and puts in a penny. He tells his disciples that she gave more than the rich man cause he gave a bit of his riches to God but she gave everything. Jesus judges by what is in the heart.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by Lynn7
Jesus judges by what is in the heart.


That's my point - You don't seem to be doing that.

You are only assuming these people aren't giving money, and don't really have any proof other than you consider these people to be the underbelly of America (or something to that extent, I'm sure)

Besides - George Bush asked for donations on TV. I don't see the same difference that you see.

You don't know how much the rich man OR the widow have given, but that doesn't stop you short of passing judgement.

If you can post some definitive evidence that the people who are asking for money aren't giving any - than I will gladly concede that this isn't as noble as is portrayed. Until then -- Adam Baldwin, Bush, and Michael Moore have all publically asked for the "middle class Americans" to give to hurricane victims.

Whether or not they personally have -- I have not seen anything here nor there, and I'm not looking because I don't think it's my buisiness.