Mr-Blonde
09-19-2005, 03:53 PM
Iraq invasion radicalized Saudi fighters: report
source: Reuters (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050918/ts_nm/iraq_saudi_fighters_dc_1)
RIYADH - Hundreds of Saudi fighters who joined the insurgency in Iraq showed few signs of militancy before the U.S.-led overthrow of Saddam Hussein, according to a detailed study based on Saudi intelligence reports.
The study by the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), obtained by Reuters on Sunday, also said Saudis made up just 350 of the 3,000-strong foreign insurgents in Iraq -- fewer than many officials have assumed.
"Analysts and government officials in the U.S. and Iraq have overstated the size of the foreign element in the Iraqi insurgency, especially that of the Saudi contingent," it said.
Non-Iraqi militants made up less than 10 percent of the insurgents' ranks -- perhaps even half that -- the study said.
Most were motivated by "revulsion at the idea of an Arab land being occupied by a non-Arab country."
The study by Middle East analyst Anthony Cordesman and Saudi security adviser Nawaf Obaid may offer further fuel to critics who say that instead of weakening al Qaeda, the 2003 invasion of Iraq brought fresh recruits to Osama bin Laden's network.
It said Saudi Arabia had interrogated dozens of Saudi militants who either returned from Iraq or were caught at the border. "One important point was the number who insisted that they were not militants before the Iraq war," it said.
"The vast majority of Saudi militants who entered Iraq were not terrorist sympathizers before the war, and were radicalized almost exclusively by the coalition invasion," the study said.
Backing up their claim, 85 percent of those interrogated were not on any watch list of known militants, the study said. Most came from the west, south or center of Saudi Arabia, often from middle class families of prominent conservative tribes.
Many were well-educated and had jobs and all of them were Sunni Muslims, the study said. Majority Sunnis in Saudi Arabia are troubled by the emergency of Iraq's Shi'ite majority.
HIGHER ESTIMATES
Foreign fighters are just one element of a bloody two-year insurgency in Iraq where in the last week alone more than 200 Iraqis were killed.
On Friday a Saudi man wearing an explosives-laden belt was arrested after a suicide bomber blew himself up in Baghdad.
Other analysts have higher estimates for Saudi militants in Iraq, saying that postings on Islamist Web sites suggested they carried out most of the suicide attacks by foreigners and that several thousand Saudis may have gone to Iraq.
But those numbers may be inflated because Saudi militants receive disproportionate attention, partly because of greater media coverage and partly because they are prized volunteers who bring funds with them up to $15,000, CSIS said.
Saudi Arabia, which is also fighting domestic violence by supporters of Saudi-born bin Laden, has come under scrutiny since the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States which were carried out by mainly Saudi hijackers.
Critics say its austere Wahhabi Islam helped foster extremism and accuse the government of turning a blind eye to militants as long as their targets were outside the kingdom.
But Saudi measures to seal the border with Iraq and its detention of preachers supporting jihad had helped curb Saudi and other fighters heading to Iraq, CSIS said.
The study estimated the largest foreign contingent was made up of 600 Algerian fighters. It said about 550 Syrians, 500 Yemenis, 450 Sudanese, 400 Egyptians, 350 Saudis, and 150 fighters from other countries had crossed into Iraq to fight.
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This has been my arguement against the "War on Terrorism" all along. By illegally invading Iraq all we have done is fan the fires of radicalism/terrorism even brighter. The nonsensical arguement I always hear is it's better to fight them over there than on our own soil. First of all, since the US has started this illicit campaign, terrorism has actually increased worldwide including very recently to our most important ally in the "coalition of the willing"; the UK. Secondly, these terrorists are usually not any form of legitimate government so invading a country like Iraq is of little consequence to them. Also has been previously stated only serves to enflame those who before then weren't yet radicals. Of course the truth of the matter is that the Bush administration always had their sights set on bringing down Iraq and the events of 9/11 gave them the political climate to engineer false claims about Iraq being an "imminent threat' to the US. I guess it made for a nice diversion for their failures in capturing OBL in Afghanistan but it appears to have only served to embolden our enemies.
source: Reuters (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050918/ts_nm/iraq_saudi_fighters_dc_1)
RIYADH - Hundreds of Saudi fighters who joined the insurgency in Iraq showed few signs of militancy before the U.S.-led overthrow of Saddam Hussein, according to a detailed study based on Saudi intelligence reports.
The study by the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), obtained by Reuters on Sunday, also said Saudis made up just 350 of the 3,000-strong foreign insurgents in Iraq -- fewer than many officials have assumed.
"Analysts and government officials in the U.S. and Iraq have overstated the size of the foreign element in the Iraqi insurgency, especially that of the Saudi contingent," it said.
Non-Iraqi militants made up less than 10 percent of the insurgents' ranks -- perhaps even half that -- the study said.
Most were motivated by "revulsion at the idea of an Arab land being occupied by a non-Arab country."
The study by Middle East analyst Anthony Cordesman and Saudi security adviser Nawaf Obaid may offer further fuel to critics who say that instead of weakening al Qaeda, the 2003 invasion of Iraq brought fresh recruits to Osama bin Laden's network.
It said Saudi Arabia had interrogated dozens of Saudi militants who either returned from Iraq or were caught at the border. "One important point was the number who insisted that they were not militants before the Iraq war," it said.
"The vast majority of Saudi militants who entered Iraq were not terrorist sympathizers before the war, and were radicalized almost exclusively by the coalition invasion," the study said.
Backing up their claim, 85 percent of those interrogated were not on any watch list of known militants, the study said. Most came from the west, south or center of Saudi Arabia, often from middle class families of prominent conservative tribes.
Many were well-educated and had jobs and all of them were Sunni Muslims, the study said. Majority Sunnis in Saudi Arabia are troubled by the emergency of Iraq's Shi'ite majority.
HIGHER ESTIMATES
Foreign fighters are just one element of a bloody two-year insurgency in Iraq where in the last week alone more than 200 Iraqis were killed.
On Friday a Saudi man wearing an explosives-laden belt was arrested after a suicide bomber blew himself up in Baghdad.
Other analysts have higher estimates for Saudi militants in Iraq, saying that postings on Islamist Web sites suggested they carried out most of the suicide attacks by foreigners and that several thousand Saudis may have gone to Iraq.
But those numbers may be inflated because Saudi militants receive disproportionate attention, partly because of greater media coverage and partly because they are prized volunteers who bring funds with them up to $15,000, CSIS said.
Saudi Arabia, which is also fighting domestic violence by supporters of Saudi-born bin Laden, has come under scrutiny since the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States which were carried out by mainly Saudi hijackers.
Critics say its austere Wahhabi Islam helped foster extremism and accuse the government of turning a blind eye to militants as long as their targets were outside the kingdom.
But Saudi measures to seal the border with Iraq and its detention of preachers supporting jihad had helped curb Saudi and other fighters heading to Iraq, CSIS said.
The study estimated the largest foreign contingent was made up of 600 Algerian fighters. It said about 550 Syrians, 500 Yemenis, 450 Sudanese, 400 Egyptians, 350 Saudis, and 150 fighters from other countries had crossed into Iraq to fight.
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This has been my arguement against the "War on Terrorism" all along. By illegally invading Iraq all we have done is fan the fires of radicalism/terrorism even brighter. The nonsensical arguement I always hear is it's better to fight them over there than on our own soil. First of all, since the US has started this illicit campaign, terrorism has actually increased worldwide including very recently to our most important ally in the "coalition of the willing"; the UK. Secondly, these terrorists are usually not any form of legitimate government so invading a country like Iraq is of little consequence to them. Also has been previously stated only serves to enflame those who before then weren't yet radicals. Of course the truth of the matter is that the Bush administration always had their sights set on bringing down Iraq and the events of 9/11 gave them the political climate to engineer false claims about Iraq being an "imminent threat' to the US. I guess it made for a nice diversion for their failures in capturing OBL in Afghanistan but it appears to have only served to embolden our enemies.