Hannity says Moore being spent 40 grand to speak is terrible, becomes a hypocrite

[someguy]

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/hannity_jet.mov

so let me get this straight...moore gets 40 grand to speak and Hannity calls it pathetic, then makes the school pay over 40 grand for a private jet. Neither should be taking money from universities, but Hannity needs to shut his mouth. Plus, look what happens when someone calls him on his bullshit. They get pinned to a wall by one of his bodyguards until Hannity leaves.

I hate using this smiley but :rolleyes: pretty much says it all on this

[Joshmo]

I'd rather be "Moorified" than "Hannitized" any day.

[JohnTheHenchman]

Moore is not a capitalist (well he is, but you know what I mean). I don't see how Hannity is a hypocrite.

[someguy]

uh....

Hannity was going on about how it's terrible that Moore took money out of the student fund just to speak to them, yet he takes more out of the student fund just so he can have a private jet for when he travels to the university.

That is hypocritical

[JohnTheHenchman]

Yeah but Hannity isn't a "socialist"

[outsyder]

Originally posted by Joshmo
I'd rather be "Moorified" than "Hannitized" any day.


Really?

Ew.

[Tuukka]

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
Yeah but Hannity isn't a "socialist"

As far as I know Moore isn't socialist either, but a capitalist.

so·cial·ist (ssh-lst)

n.
1. An advocate of socialism.
2. often Socialist A member of a political party or group that advocates socialism.

adj.
1. Of, promoting, or practicing socialism.
2. Socialist Of, belonging to, or constituting a socialist party or political group.


so·cial·ism (ssh-lzm)

n.
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

[JohnTheHenchman]

Uhhhh what do you think those quotes mean?

And uh, I already said he is one who won't admit it.

[Criminal Rock]

That’s weird, i didn't realize it cost 40 freakin’ thousand dollars to rent a private jet, and if that’s not the case, I always thought private jets priced around 600,000+ dollars let alone 40,000. Either I missed something, or something fishy is going on here.

[Tuukka]

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
Uhhhh what do you think those quotes mean?

And uh, I already said he is one who won't admit it.

I've never seen Moore say that he doesn't believe in the ownership of private property. I've never heard him say that people shouldn't be paid accordingly to the work they do. I've never heard say that he doesn't believe in a model where property changes ownership between members of the society with money.

If you want to prove me wrong, why not give me a quote from Moore?

He seems to favor a social-democratic goverment model, like the one we have here in Finland, or what Sweden has. However, that doesn't make him a socialist, which is an entirely different thing.

If Moore hasn't claimed to be a socialist and an anti-capitalist, then why is he a hypocrite? It's worth noting that if he criticizes injustices associated with capitalism, it doesn't mean that he is against capitalism itself. He simply favors socially responsible capitalism.

Also if he defends working class from injustices, that doesn't mean he is a socialist in traditional sense (a communist), it simply means again that he favors socially responsible capitalism.

Neither of these things contradicts the idea that he should be paid for the work he does. Which is what happened here.

[The Postmaster General]

What makes Michael Moore a socialist?

He speaks out against greed and corruption, not making money through private ownership.

I feel like I'm watching an episode of All In The Family...

[QUENTIN]

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
Uhhhh what do you think those quotes mean?

And uh, I already said he is one who won't admit it.

You're Amish, you just won't admit it. You're also a hypocrite for using a computer. Yay! We can all be silly. Criticizing someone for not adhering to a political theory that not they, but you claim they believe in, is more than a little ridiculous.

[<3mekthx]

I think(90%) that Moore admitted to being a socialist when O'Reilly interviewed him during the 2004 RNC. I would look it up but I'm on effing dial up. Being a socialist is the least of his problems.

[EVILxxx]

With the amount in taxes that Moore thinks people should pay to the government (70% of their income if I'm not mistaken) it might not be full blown socialism but it is pretty damn close.

[The Postmaster General]

I tried looking up something on Moore's comments about being he's a socialist. I've found some references to him "admiting to being one" in several pages, and many of them that call him a socialist.

The comment I found from Mr. O'Reiley: "Yeah, he's taken money to the bank, and yeah, he's Mr. Socialist..."

That's just so funny for reasons I can't begin to explain.

This all reminds me of some of the times I fact check for some of the things I've heard Bush has done.

[EVILxxx]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
I tried looking up something on Moore's comments about being he's a socialist. I've found some references to him "admiting to being one" in several pages, and many of them that call him a socialist.

The comment I found from Mr. O'Reiley: "Yeah, he's taken money to the bank, and yeah, he's Mr. Socialist..."

That's just so funny for reasons I can't begin to explain.

This all reminds me of some of the times I fact check for some of the things I've heard Bush has done.

I'm trying to recall the interview O'Reily had with Moore. I believe the conversation led to O'reily asking Moore "How much do you think I should pay in taxes?". I think O'reily started with 45% and went all the way up to 70% when Moore said "You can stop their".

[someguy]

Originally posted by Tai Mai Jew
That’s weird, i didn't realize it cost 40 freakin’ thousand dollars to rent a private jet, and if that’s not the case, I always thought private jets priced around 600,000+ dollars let alone 40,000. Either I missed something, or something fishy is going on here.

Reading the info again, here's what it says

The Director of "This Divided State" decided to challenge Hannity on the $48, 000 dollars he charged for his private jet

So I guess it is his own jet, maybe he did that to cover other costs like fuel. One more thing, Moore did end up getting spent on more than Hannity, in fact his donation money was less. Hannity just looks like the bigger jackass here since he claims to not take any money out of the student fund

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
I'm trying to recall the interview O'Reily had with Moore. I believe the conversation led to O'reily asking Moore "How much do you think I should pay in taxes?". I think O'reily started with 45% and went all the way up to 70% when Moore said "You can stop their".


In that interview, O'Reilly was complaining about his income taxes, and Moore said something like "Maybe it's not enough (then chuckled)" and then O'Reilly was like, very quickly started drilling, "how much should I be paying? 70%? 80?" and Moore was like "You can stop." - refering to the way O'Reilly was acting, not that he had said something Moore agreed with. It came of more like a "Okay, enough." to me.

It was Bill O'Reilly who is Bill O'Reilly - he isn't exactly that guy form the Red Stripe beer ads.

[EVILxxx]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
In that interview, O'Reilly was complaining about his income taxes, and Moore said something like "Maybe it's not enough (then chuckled)" and then O'Reilly was like, very quickly started drilling, "how much should I be paying? 70%? 80?" and Moore was like "You can stop." - refering to the way O'Reilly was acting, not that he had said something Moore agreed with. It came of more like a "Okay, enough." to me.

It was Bill O'Reilly who is Bill O'Reilly - he isn't exactly that guy form the Red Stripe beer ads.

You are probably right. The whole interview seemed to lack any real point. It more more of a pissing contest than anything else.

[Criminal Rock]

Originally posted by someguy
Reading the info again, here's what it says

The Director of "This Divided State" decided to challenge Hannity on the $48, 000 dollars he charged for his private jet

So I guess it is his own jet, maybe he did that to cover other costs like fuel. One more thing, Moore did end up getting spent on more than Hannity, in fact his donation money was less. Hannity just looks like the bigger jackass here since he claims to not take any money out of the student fund

It doesn't cost 48,000 dollars to fuel a private jet, for one trip, for only one person… so this is either another conspiracy, or they paid him way too much.

[someguy]

Fuel, pilots, landing, keeping it somewhere...

48 thousand is very easy to see.

Plus if you think this is another conspiracy, in the video they show multiple articles talking about the entire thing.

[The Postmaster General]

It wasn't the fuel. It was the blow and hookers.

[JohnTheHenchman]

Originally posted by QUENTIN
You're Amish, you just won't admit it. You're also a hypocrite for using a computer. Yay! We can all be silly. Criticizing someone for not adhering to a political theory that not they, but you claim they believe in, is more than a little ridiculous.

Amish using computers wouldn't suprise me.

They do use cellphones after all.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
Amish using computers wouldn't suprise me.

They do use cellphones after all.



There was an Amish dude on MTV's Pimp My Ride. They put this hydrolic lift on his wagon that would lower down his pitchfork and shovel. It was pretty cool.

[someguy]

Bubba, what are you contributing to this thread because it's not laughter

[JohnTheHenchman]

What it comes down to is that Hannity is a real American while Moore is not.

[Criminal Rock]

Originally posted by someguy
Fuel, pilots, landing, keeping it somewhere...

48 thousand is very easy to see.

Plus if you think this is another conspiracy, in the video they show multiple articles talking about the entire thing.

Listen, from what i know about flying, it costs around 55,000 dollars to fly a 747 across the United States with 400 people on board (i think that’s the max capacity, but im not sure, maybe for just the typical 1class). It probably cost him less the 5,000 dollars to fly, maybe even 3,000 on a lear jet, which is probably what he used.

i dont think it’s a conspiracy, I think it’s exaggerated. im certain the actual amount they paid Hanity is a private matter between him and the school, and someone ‘reported” the $48,000 to make him look bad. It doesn’t cost more then a few thousand dollars to fly a private jet 500 miles, or whatever, and it doesn't cost 40,000 dollars to hold a plane for a few days. it just doesnt.

I’m not defending Hanity at all, because I hardly agree with what he says most of the time, but the accusations don’t add up to reality…

[Criminal Rock]

Originally posted by someguy
Bubba, what are you contributing to this thread because it's not laughter

He contributes the exact opposite of what everyone else does. And it’s fine, what he says is funny AND(!) interesting at the same time, he has the gift of TWO(!) things...*giddy giddy*

I apologize in advance.

[<3mekthx]

Originally posted by someguy
Bubba, what are you contributing to this thread because it's not laughter

Now that was pretty damn funny.

[someguy]

Originally posted by Tai Mai Jew
Listen, from what i know about flying, it costs around 55,000 dollars to fly a 747 across the United States with 400 people on board (i think that’s the max capacity, but im not sure, maybe for just the typical 1class). It probably cost him less the 5,000 dollars to fly, maybe even 3,000 on a lear jet, which is probably what he used.

i dont think it’s a conspiracy, I think it’s exaggerated. im certain the actual amount they paid Hanity is a private matter between him and the school, and someone ‘reported” the $48,000 to make him look bad. It doesn’t cost more then a few thousand dollars to fly a private jet 500 miles, or whatever, and it doesn't cost 40,000 dollars to hold a plane for a few days. it just doesnt.

I’m not defending Hanity at all, because I hardly agree with what he says most of the time, but the accusations don’t add up to reality…

Well let me show you this from the video...

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8297/hannity14co.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4378/hannity24mc.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4258/hannity39jp.jpg

Notice how on the final picture on the bottom left it says "Source: Utah Valley State College." So it looks like the college released the info and it wasn't a private matter at all, nor is it exaggerated.

[Criminal Rock]

here is the whole artical on that issue.

here (http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595097892,00.html)

[someguy]

Guess it's still an exaggerated figure then huh ;)

[Criminal Rock]

I wasn't just talking about the amount of money they spent, i was also speaking of how they made it seem like Hannity swindled the school of student funds. Though i should have made it clearer then I did.

[someguy]

I didn't think he was swindling, I just thought how he was a hypocrite by going on about Moore getting paid 40 grand to speak when he does something even worse.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by someguy
Bubba, what are you contributing to this thread because it's not laughter

Apparently something you can't keep your mind off of.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by <3mekthx
Now that was pretty damn funny.


Yeah, someguy is like the Chuck D to my Flavor Flav.

Sometimes it takes both of us to get a laugh.

[The Postmaster General]

Ah, yes -

Well to go along with the 4 Michael Moore/O'Reilly clarifications I've contributed to the thread, as well as my hypothosis as to where the money went, the joke I made in response to JohnTheHenchman's joke, and then the two addresses I've made to someguy in regards to him suddenly worrying about people making jokes....



Here it is....

Here is the cost of renting a private plane from a company -- Keep in mind, this is not a jet you own, but for a company providing the jet:

http://www.sentient.com/pricing/


So anyway - I said it once, and I'll say it again -- This is not joke -- When someone spends that kind of money in travel, and it's unclear where the money is going --- It's usually hookers and blow. I wouldn't put that past Hannity. No joke, either!


And I hope everyone sees the joke in regards to me being the first person to actually google the cost of renting a private jet, despite being the last person to GO ON AND ON AND ON about how much Hannity really spent based on articles about Hannity.



Hey look, I edited my post -- That's always good for a genuine laugh!