Has JOBLO become part of the machine?

[CVD]

First off, I'd like to say that I'm a long time fan of this site. However, my mind is slowly changing as of late. Joblo.com just isn't the same as it used to be - I remember a time where this site was the place to get honest reviews, no hollywood bullshit(or ass kissing), and great info on all things associated with film. So why do I feel like Joblo.com is selling out? First off, does anyone notice that they never bad mouth NEW LINE films? When Joblo hadn't become a sellout to the man, he used to bash their movies all the time - now suddenly, they're the company that always gives out free shit to him, so he seems to be giving them some slack. C'mon, is anyone honestly going to tell me that DOMINO looks good? Keira Knightley is shit! But what does my word mean, nothing! Mainly because she'll probably get interviewed on the site(we wouldn't want to upset her).

I could go on forever... but, seriously, look at this page closely - and if your a long time fan you'll notice that this site was a lot better back in 2001. I guess what I'm trying to say is... JOBLO.com has gone mainstream, it's sold out to the man. Shame on you.

[cerealkiller182]

2001 isnt that long ago, man. I never noticed the correlation to the New Line movies cause i always let people have their own opinions.

At first glance i thought Domino looked good. Tony Scott's directing. I love Tony Scott's stuff and he's using the same filter he did in Man on Fire the created a wicked cool mood.. Keira Knightley's pretty hot. Her acting chops have been limited to Pirates (her only movie I've seen). Mickey Rourke's the man. No argument there. And Christopher Walken who is good even in bad movies (ie Envy)

So far the only complaint I;ve heard about Domino is that Keira's a bad actress and She says "I'm a bounty hunter" alot. Im assuming the final product wont be like that, and it was just the trailer.

[someguy]

Yeah, I mean JoBlo loved Monster in Law

[Grim H.]

The reason these companies give out free shit to the site is because JoBlo.com has become one of the most frequented movie sites on the web as of the last few years. Personally, I haven't noticed much of a difference in the way Jo reviews movies. Sure, the site layout's changed, and there's a few more ads here and there, but those all go to keep the site free for us. It takes money to run this place, ya know?

I disagree a lot with Jo's reviews, but hey, that's what opinions are for. The man know what he likes and is an honest reviewer, and I'd say he's done a damn fine job of keeping this site running smoothly and supplying all us moviegoers with top-notch news and entertainment. LONG LIVE JOBLO!




















Yeah, call me a suckup if you want, but I love this site!:D

[jackson13]

You know, you dont HAVE to come here.

No one is forcing you online and saying "GO TO JOBLO! READ HIS REVIEWS! LIKE IT!"

If you dont like this place, then get to steppin'.

It's quite simple.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by jackson13
You know, you dont HAVE to come here.

No one is forcing you online and saying "GO TO JOBLO! READ HIS REVIEWS! LIKE IT!"

If you dont like this place, then get to steppin'.

It's quite simple.

We also don't have to go to Movie Gallery, watch USA programming, watch TBS programming, shop at Best Buy, loan our movies to friends, listen to Smash Mouth, or even read Roger Ebert or Gene Shallits shitty movie reviews.

But you've ranted about all of them when you could have simply just 'got to steppin'.

This is the rant forum. We've bitched about every other film reviewer except for Gene Siskel because he's fucking dead. Now that Joblo is a target no one should get all pissed off except for Joblo who has a right to shut this thread down because it's his board, but I'd rather see him just defend himself against said claims or ignore it and treat it like any other film reviewer rant.

Pardon the interruption, now let's all get back to ranting, shall we?
;)

[someguy]

jackson, he likes the site but just has problems with it.

That whole 'like it or leave it' mentality is pretty weird to use sometimes. I mean, the guy loves reading the site and thinks that it's changing for the worse, so you just say 'well even though you think it's shittier, take the shitty version or leave!' I disagree with him on JoBlo "selling out" since the site has given negative reviews to recent New Line films (yeah, Monster In Law was reviewed by JaneBlo but Jo wouldn't put up a negative review of a New Line film if he was being a puppet for them). Another recent example is Exorcist: The Beginning which JoBlo gave a 4/10 on and there were threads going on about the ads showing up about it on the site.

The site is getting popular, therefore movie companies will give him cool stuff to give out since it'll help promote the movie to the ones viewing the site. JoBlo is not a 'part of the machine' and has never become a 'corporate whore.'

[A.J. Hakari]

Originally posted by someguy
Yeah, I mean JoBlo loved Monster in Law

Don't forget RAISE YOUR VOICE.

[HeavyFknMetal]

Originally posted by Adam J. Hakari
Don't forget RAISE YOUR VOICE.


woah woah woah, Joblo like Raise Your Voice, :rolleyes: tisk tisk tisk. I look at Joblo as somewhat of a parent. Someone you dont always agree with, but you love nevertheless. And when he doesnt give you money, you pout and bitch until you run out of energy.

[A.J. Hakari]

Originally posted by HeavyFknMetal
woah woah woah, Joblo like Raise Your Voice, :rolleyes: tisk tisk tisk. I look at Joblo as somewhat of a parent. Someone you dont always agree with, but you love nevertheless. And when he doesnt give you money, you pout and bitch until you run out of energy.

I wasn't serious, man; just being snarky, as per usual. :cool:

[KillaMyers]

"What do you know about the machine!?"

[RustyRazor]

Part of the machine?
Selling out to the man?


Let me ask a question: how many of you guys like Puff Daddy's music?
Not Sean Combs, not his clothing line, I mean the bullshit that he regurgetates on the more popular radio stations all over the free world.

I personally don't think that P.Diddy should be allowed to take songs from 70's and the 80's and make a living off of it. It's sleazy, it's lazy, it's bullshit.

But here's my point.

As many people feel the same way that I do about Diddy (:mad: ), if you think that those people were programmers for YOUR favorite radio station wouldn't have any choice but to play his music because IT'S THE WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED, you're cuckoo for those cocoa puffs.

You hear Diddy and a million other artists that you, and maybe even these radio folks CAN'T STAND to hear in that capacity, but if they didn't play these hacks on the radio, money, resources, and advertising for that radio station would be affected greatly.

And if you won't play Diddy, they'll find someone else that will.

Now I'm not saying that this is what JoBlo is doing, but if I were running my own movie related website, to get my name out there and keep my website going, I would have to craft my words about ANY movie company that I review and realize the consequences of my reviews.

Your greatest battles are won through small skirmishes.

It's never black or white anymore. It's gray.

I'm not an ass kisser, but I don't consider JoBlo "part of the machine", a sell out, or whatever euphamism you care to use.

It takes a lot to bring something this cool together and even more to keep it that way.

Rock on, JoBlo.

[The Postmaster General]

Kisses up to New Line?

Although no official review - he has trashed THE MAN in his trailer reviews

SON OF THE MASK was bashed in the DVD reviews (1/10?), AND he had interviewed some of the crew involved with that film - I think Jamie Kennedy...

BLADE TRINITY was given a 6/10 review, as was AFTER THE SUNSET, and CELLULAR

Those were all movies from 2004 on...

But...

Whoa - Joblo likes the Domino trailer and is looking forward to the movie. Oh god! Put on your tin foil hat and call the Illuminati, because tehre is a real conspiracy at work here.

To be honest I was lost at "machine".... Hey, fuck you I won't do what you tell me! Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me! Motherfucker!! Arrrggghh!

Man, after the winter, I'm fucking selling my iPod and using the money to get a place of my own where I can really fight the power!!!! Because we got to fight the powers that be! What we got to say? Fight the power! C'mon! Fight The Power! C'mon! Fight the power!

[thedudeman69]

God, I hate it when people say that a person has sold out. Joblo hasn't sold out. He is just trying to get by and have this website up and running, so that we can use it. He needs money, so he reviews shitty movies to do that. He is a good guy for letting us talk and rant and shit about movies. We should all be thankful that there is a guy like Joblo that has the balls to walls honesty

[RustyRazor]

Amen, brother.

[beastieben21]

Originally posted by CVD
C'mon, is anyone honestly going to tell me that DOMINO looks good? Keira Knightley is shit!

Your entire post was confusing...confusing because it had no supporting evidence (the CRUX of an "argument") and relied on a whimsical "he'll support anything New Line puts out" theory, which, not only has been proved wrong, but makes no sense. However...this sentence particularly confused me...

Let's see here. Tony Scott is directing Domino. Tony Scott, the man who made True Romance (JoBlo: 10/10) and Man on Fire (JoBlo: 8/10). The site is full of unabashed Tarantino fans (writer of True Romance...noticing a trend?) and for the most part, enjoy the work of Tony Scott. The film was written by Richard Kelly, whose Donnie Darko has perhaps been the most popular/discussed film on these boards in the last 3 years. It stars Keira Knightely, who EVERY SINGLE 18-35 YEAR OLD MALE (possibly...the demographic the site aims for???) finds attractive as well as Mickey Rourke, who starred in a little film people on this board kinda enjoy, called Sin City.

But yeah...I'm sure you're right. I'm sure it's because he (as well as the ENTIRE message boards) is getting paid under the table to support this unknown/unlikable film.

[The Heart Collector]

Originally posted by someguy
JoBlo is not a 'part of the machine'

The fucking NAVY has ads in this site.

[Buck Turgidson]

If you don't like his reviews, post about them. Make a counter argument. That's why we're all here.

Almost any place like this on the net, that's (ultimately, with a lot of help, I know...) run by an identifiable single person, would boot your ass off of it for personally attacking his integrity in this manner. That won't happen here.

Which is (one of many reasons) why this place is special.

[bigred760]

Originally posted by Adam J. Hakari
Don't forget RAISE YOUR VOICE.


Where did you guys see that he "loved" Monster-in-Law and Raise Your Voice? I don't see any reviews on this site for them, not in the "Reviews" section anyway. Even if he LIKED them, I wouldn't harp on the guy. He's entitled to his opinion - it's his freakin' site to begin with. I don't think he's changed much as far as his reviews and opinions are concerned.

If there are ads on this site, it's because advertisers know that people come to this site and they want to pay the man to have us see them.
This site interviewed Jenny McCarthy on her new movie and JoBlo gave it a rather negative review, to say the least.

JoBlo hasn't changed one way or the other. Maybe he just likes the movies that New Line is putting out - it's not like he's giving them 10/10s or even 9/10s (the last 10/10, I believe, was Memento).

[someguy]

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
The fucking NAVY has ads in this site.

Not getting the point of the thread

Where did you guys see that he "loved" Monster-in-Law and Raise Your Voice? I don't see any reviews on this site for them, not in the "Reviews" section anyway. Even if he LIKED them, I wouldn't harp on the guy. He's entitled to his opinion - it's his freakin' site to begin with. I don't think he's changed much as far as his reviews and opinions are concerned.

Monster In Law was reviewed by JaneBlo and given a 4/10 I believe. Now if JoBlo is working for New Line why would he allow a negative review on the site from the studio? Monster In Law is a New Line film, which is why I said that because it shows that the whole 'omg joblo is in cahoots with new line!' is false. You see, look what he said

First off, does anyone notice that they never bad mouth NEW LINE films?

Well, the site does badmouth New Line films.

[The Heart Collector]

THE FUCKING NAVY, DUDE. THE MOFOCKIN NAVY.

[someguy]

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/9773/jointhenavy1bi.jpg

[JoBlo]

Hey! I just noticed this thread....shame on me!

While I won't sit here and try to "convert" anyone (like someone else said, if you don't dig the site, that's cool...to each his own, I'm sure there are plenty of other fansites out there that you might like, I will address the 2 points you brought up directly.

1) You said that one part of our "selling out" is from the fact that certain studios (mostly Warner Bros actually) are giving "him free shit". Uuuuuuuuuuhm...I DON'T GET ANY OF THAT FREE SHIT, DUDE!!! Studios approach me AT LEAST 2-3 times a week to run free promotions and shit on our site, and I turn about 90% of them down because I don't want them to be "using" our site for free publicity. The ones that we DO hook up with, are usually because they're cool SWAG that I think OUR READERS will appreciate -- and by the # of people who enter those contests (tens of thousands), I'm pretty sure that most people appreciate getting a chance to win FREE MOVIE STUFF from a FREE SITE. I don't get shit for that.

2) I don't knock New Line Cinema movies....that's what you said, right? Harumph, alright, let me try and think if there were any New Line movies over the past 3-4 years that I really didn't care for, that the rest of the FREE WORLD "fell in love with". Let's think back to a trilogy of some kind....hmmmmm, let's think back to a certain 3 Peter Jackson movies that scored BILLIONS OF DOLLARS around the world, which I, JoBlo, didn't really appreciate, rating FELLOWSHIP (7/10), TWO TOWERS (5/10) and RETURN OF THE KING (6/10).

In the meantime, almost every single critic in the WHOLE WIDE WORLD wrote those movies up like they were masterpieces above masterpieces.

I guess that makes me a sell-out, right? Because I went "against the grain" on those movies??? ;)

Dude, I REALLY don't mind folks bringing up valid points against the site, but in the case of New Line, I honestly can't remember any other movie in my 7+ years of writing reviews for which I have received more HATE MAIL than the LOTR flicks.....and yes, all sarcasm aside, they were created by none other than New Line.

If I wanted to suck their dicks, don't you think it would have been a brighter idea to give those movies the "easy" good grades?

Anyhoo, hopefully I've made my points. That said, if you still think we've "sold out", that's your prerogative, of course.

[jeo4]

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
THE FUCKING NAVY, DUDE. THE MOFOCKIN NAVY.

Yeah, and Ford brought us SCHINDLER'S LIST. A company started by an anti-semite nazi sympathiser who also happened to be friends with Hitler brought us SCHINDLER'S LIST. "Without commercial interrruption."

What's the point? This seems like splitting hairs to me. Ad space is bought and sold everywhere. Web administrators gotta eat, too.

[RustyRazor]

Amen to that, brother.

[The Heart Collector]

THE FUCKING NAVY

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
THE FUCKING NAVY

Would you shut up about the goddamn navy already? :rolleyes:

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Would you shut up about the goddamn navy already? :rolleyes:


Yeah, it's starting to sound like THE DAN BAND is covering THE VILLAGE PEOPLE.

http://advancement.sdsu.edu/alumni/dan_band1.jpg

"The mutherfucking Navy! Yeah! The fucking Navy!"

[therealjohng]

As long as I get to come to this site, get my movie news and talk to you sons of bitches, I could care less what Jo does to keep this site running.


:D

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Yeah, it's starting to sound like THE DAN BAND is covering THE VILLAGE PEOPLE.

http://advancement.sdsu.edu/alumni/dan_band1.jpg

"The mutherfucking Navy! Yeah! The fucking Navy!"

"I fuckin need you to sign up... tonight! I fuckin need you in Iraq... tomorrow!

And we'll only be makin it right... cause we'll never be wrong!
Together we can take it to the end of the line,
And listen to our IPods baby all of the time... (all of the time)

Shit we don't know what to do, we're in the fuckin dark
Let's advertise on Joblo ta gi-gi-give off sparks!

We fuckin need you tonight!
Four years are gonna start tonight...
Fuckin joblo help us get em... tonight..."


JOIN THE NAVY

[The Postmaster General]

Haha - Great one!

I'm soooo glad that reference didn't get lost, TheDeadWalk.




Just on a note about the Navy ads --- Aren't most of the members non-US? I have a hunch they are --- Which makes it all the more sweet that Joblo took their money.

Go Joe!

Wait - maybe this isn't the right context for that reference....

Or maybe it's past my bedtime again.

Oh hell --- An add with Steve Martin, Claire Danes and Jason Schwartzman is looking at me now from a banner ad. Joblo totally sold out for "official selections at the Toronto Film Festival." -- That's what that ad must mean.

And yeah - I'm glad Joblo pointed out his reviews of the LOTR movies. I was always so happy to find a reviewer who felt the same as I did (though I did rate them slightly higher) AND YES, they are New Line Movies, AND YES, he is one of the rare reviewers who voiced disappointment in them. But you know what, I bet Elijah Wood himself put Joblo up to it.

[TheDeadWalk]

Yeah I've noticed a few real low-key films being advertised as banners at the top of the forums. I liked that, especially for that one really small release film set in Louisiana... Venom I think it was?

Oh and I like the banners where I can shoot someone or something, as long as they're fair. I'll keep swinging the baseball bat and shit to hit mailboxes. That's good family fun.

[A.J. Hakari]

Originally posted by bigred760
Where did you guys see that he "loved" Monster-in-Law and Raise Your Voice? I don't see any reviews on this site for them, not in the "Reviews" section anyway. Even if he LIKED them, I wouldn't harp on the guy. He's entitled to his opinion - it's his freakin' site to begin with. I don't think he's changed much as far as his reviews and opinions are concerned.

I was just being sarcastic about RAISE YOUR VOICE. I have no clue what Jo thought about it or if he even saw it...though now that I think about it, I would love to hear his reaction to it. :D

[The Postmaster General]

I'm very sure I remember in one of Joblo's writings, he says something about MOSTER-IN-LAW looking very bad, and that he would not be seeing it.

Something to that effect... It may have been another writer on the site.

[Joshmo]

I write screener reviews for another movie site. The owner of the site passes out screeners to myself and a few others in order to avoid having his name all over a shitty review after getting free stuff.
He's upfront with the studios that the majority of the screeners sent to him get passed to a few of his trusted guys and it makes for a "Sweden" like environment (neutral). I've been doing this for over 2 years and have given great to shitty reviews of flicks and he has yet to be denied any percs..ie..dvds, backstage passes...etc. I also do screener reviews for an adult site and have quite a collection of both mainstream & porn... I love my job ;)

[Brando @$$ Fat]

As far as I'm concerned, JoBlo hasn't sold out to "the man" the way Roger Ebert has. Before Siskel died, he'd give anything a bad review. Now he is giving thumbs up to literally EVERYTHING. ABSOLUTELY EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN THING. JoBlo, on the other hand, hasn't giving a 10 rating to a movie in four years. He hasn't sold out at all.

Though I do agree with the comment about this site being full of unabashed Tarantino fans.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
Before Siskel died, he'd give anything a bad review. Now he is giving thumbs up to literally EVERYTHING. ABSOLUTELY EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN THING.

Didn't like this one:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050628/REVIEWS/50606007/1023


Hey look, he didn't really like this one either:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050901/REVIEWS/50822004/1023

[Scorpio24]

Originally posted by Joshmo
I also do screener reviews for an adult site and have quite a collection of both mainstream & porn... I love my job ;)


Ok tell me where you work. I want a job.

[dannywalker17]

Big surprise that CVD hasn't shown up to defend his ridiculous accusations.

[inglourious basterd]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
As far as I'm concerned, JoBlo hasn't sold out to "the man" the way Roger Ebert has. Before Siskel died, he'd give anything a bad review. Now he is giving thumbs up to literally EVERYTHING. ABSOLUTELY EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN THING..

I have always had respect for ebert.

A "thumb" means absolutely nothing. It just means that he liked a film. So what?

Do you actually read his reviews? There is a huge difference between 2.5 stars, 3 stars, 3.5 stars, and 4 stars. And he will give his own justifications for his reviews. If his reviews were like E! online, then I would agree with you. But they really aren't. His writing is among the best when it comes to movies.

Ebert's one critical weakness is when it comes to jumps in film technology. He will always give 4 stars to big budget films that show innovation in animation or CG (even when there exists other flaws in plot/acting/etc).