Censorship of Howard Stern etc

[ralph_wiggum]

Did anyone read the article in the NYT recently - about how the audience who's going to be left with Stern's move to satelitte radio is giong to be filled. The thing is- I still think that so much censorship and fines and ruling against folks like Stern is really irritating and frankly, makes me wonder about 1st amendment stuff. I haven't listened to Howard in a while but I used to, and I remember when the crackdown on him was just starting and he would rant about it - and frankly, I agree. Same goes with TV - all this regulation that takes TV shows off or gives them huge fines - and activist groups like the Parents TV Council - doesn't that strip the power to decide from parents? Can't they decide what they're gonna watch or not and how they're going to protect their kids, or themselves, from anything potentially offensive?

I joined a group called TV Watch this morning after some friends and I dug into this issue at a bar last night for hours - apparently this group helps advocate that the power (as far as tv is concernred) should be in the parents hands and thus shows should not be fined for stuff.

Ok that's my rant. But wanted to open up the whole censorship issue to see what everyone else though?

[cerealkiller182]

Censorship rants have been opened numerous times, and pretty much every member of this forum is against censorship. Stern and others like him are difficult cases because they are very lewd. I dont like Stern so I dont listen or watch him, but i dont try to get him off the air.

this is whole parents against TV content is just a phase. Most adults still cant work VCRs and we dont even use them anymore. So once younger generations with tech know-how become parents they'll just be smart enough to know how to set the V-chip.

[RustyRazor]

The V Chip helps sell more expensive televisions.
Howard Stern is no more offensive than an episode of CSI Miami, Law & Order, or Desperate Housewives.

What a f**king world we live in, hunh?

[bankholdup]

The First Amendment doesn't exist. End of story.

[Duke Nukem]

Howard Stern is full of shit. He is nothing but a shithole who creates senseless negativity in the world. He ruins the world, he doesn't help it, and only contributes the world's decline in morality. Yes, we do have the first amendment, but there are some people who go too far with their power. Howard Stern and his bullshit deserves to be censored. And, I don't care what some of you may think of me or this post, it's true.

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
Howard Stern is full of shit. He is nothing but a shithole who creates senseless negativity in the world. He ruins the world, he doesn't help it, and only contributes the world's decline in morality. Yes, we do have the first amendment, but there are some people who go too far with their power. Howard Stern and his bullshit deserves to be censored. And, I don't care what some of you may think of me or this post, it's true.

WTF?!

How do you "go too far" with the First Amendment? What line is drawn here?

Plus, you talk about the world's "decline in morality" and point at Howard Stern, which is just as silly as pointing the fingers at horror movies (which you love).

[someguy]

Someone playing fart noises = Decline of morality

Movies with people being murdered senselessly for entertainment = ????

[bankholdup]

You seem to have purposely left out that those fart sounds are used for entertainment as well. Not the same sort of entertainment as murdering on screen, but entertainment nonetheless. It's not fair to say that he doesn't put out entertainment (what do you think his show has always been?), yet say that those films do. They're both entertainment, not just what you prefer.

[ParileseMonster]

Awww shit! If you dont want to hear the stuff you have the right to turn it off but noone has the right to ban it and if they do then they are fuckers in my book because we are supposed to be free. Also those fuckers who want to censor cable or satellite services you PAY for can go strait to hell! What a bunch of damn bologna!

[ralph_wiggum]

oh cool - glad to see some folks agree. I just think it's absurd - and I keep reading more and more about various indecency fines imposed on tons and tons of tv shows - ones that you wouldn't think would be considered "offensive" - yet it seems to me that our constitutional right of free speech should make it so that doesn't happen. Basically - let's give the parents the ownership over protecting their kids - esp since there are things like the vchip out there to help with that - and tv ratings - and frankly, communication with your kid etc and better educated parents etc. I think there are too many activist groups joining in with the FCC complaining about this stuff and trying to censor -I'm glad that there are groups on the other side of the issue like this TV Watch group.

Can you believe that cable shows are being hit now too? I'm just freaking fired up!

[XKeyserSozeX]

Originally posted by bankholdup
The First Amendment doesn't exist. End of story.

Agreed. To quote the Clash : "You have the right to free speech, as long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it"

[the_sneaker]

I'm not too worried about censorship mainly becuase it was because of that that Howard Stern left. I hated that guy. From the beginning, before people really started getting an opinion of him. I think he wasn't that talented and just used gross humor to fill the void. Now, I use gross humor to fill voids in my life, but I'm not trying to pass off as a talented DJ.

Originally posted by cerealkiller182
Censorship rants have been opened numerous times, and pretty much every member of this forum is against censorship. Stern and others like him are difficult cases because they are very lewd. I dont like Stern so I dont listen or watch him, but i dont try to get him off the air.

this is whole parents against TV content is just a phase. Most adults still cant work VCRs and we dont even use them anymore. So once younger generations with tech know-how become parents they'll just be smart enough to know how to set the V-chip.

Well said, cerealkiller.

[Ki'esha Foxx]

What I want to know is how the FCC can have the gonads to censor Stern when he's been doing the same shit for years? True, I don't care for him at all, but the FCC can just bite it. Ya don't like what's playing, change the fucking station! Stern on the radio is not fit for younger audiences' poor, sensitve ears, but the news stations wanting to show the actual dead bodies of victims of Hurricanes Katrina and Wilma on local news is okay? No joke: news channels wanted to be given the "right" to show how horrible the devastation in the Gulf region was after the hurricanes by airing graphic photos of the corpses of the victims. We get how bad it is, you don't have to show every bloody body that surfaces to get the point across. I say piss off, FCC!

[the_sneaker]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
Howard Stern is full of shit. He is nothing but a shithole who creates senseless negativity in the world. He ruins the world, he doesn't help it, and only contributes the world's decline in morality. Yes, we do have the first amendment, but there are some people who go too far with their power. Howard Stern and his bullshit deserves to be censored. And, I don't care what some of you may think of me or this post, it's true.

Agreed. I never liked Stern in the first place, but once he started ranting about his first amendment rights like he has really been so offended, it just got to be too much. And yes, you can cross the line. He's been doing it for years. At first, yes, it was shocking. But now, it's just overdone. I'm just glad they got him to move to Sirius so they'll play music on the station that used to air him so I no longer have to listen to his pointless rants anymore about tits and politics. Any man who is that horny and has that much pure bullshit he's trying to pass of as fact just doesn't have any respect coming from me.

Originally posted by ParileseMonster
Also those fuckers who want to censor cable or satellite services you PAY for can go strait to hell! What a bunch of damn bologna!

Now this I agree on 100%. People are right in the sense that parents can block what their children watch on TV, but when it's on regular TV, not cable, it's a lot harder to do. However, when a parent makes the choice to pay for cable, they are understanding that they are going to open a lot more to their children. If you don't like it, then go back to regular TV; don't try to censor it. It's obviously our choice to pay for the service, so we're not going to bitch if we don't like it. We'll just stop paying.

[eljefe15]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
Howard Stern is full of shit. He is nothing but a shithole who creates senseless negativity in the world. He ruins the world, he doesn't help it, and only contributes the world's decline in morality. Yes, we do have the first amendment, but there are some people who go too far with their power. Howard Stern and his bullshit deserves to be censored. And, I don't care what some of you may think of me or this post, it's true.

I think you should be censored! I don't like your opinion and you don't have the right to express it.

Peace...

[AWP82]

Originally posted by eljefe15
I think you should be censored! I don't like your opinion and you don't have the right to express it.

Peace...

LOL...priceless! :D

[LegionX]

Originally posted by eljefe15
I think you should be censored! I don't like your opinion and you don't have the right to express it.

Peace...


That was Class A greatness.... That was the best comment anyone could possibly say.

[Duke Nukem]

Blah, blah, blah, bullcrap. You may not have liked the post I made, in fact, my opinions are usually not this strong-hearted, but do you really think Howard Stern is really serving any point in this world? He just creates chaos and that's it. I care for this world and it disheartens me that so many look up to Howard Stern, whether for his bullcrap "life lessons" or just dirty entertainment. It's sick.

[someguy]

ahahahahahahah

looking up?!?!!?! what is wrong with you? Nobody is looking up to him, people just find him a funny guy.

But please, continue being a hypocrite in liking horror films that show nudity and violence yet complain about the 'chaos' Stern is giving out.

[Duke Nukem]

Originally posted by someguy
ahahahahahahah

looking up?!?!!?! what is wrong with you? Nobody is looking up to him, people just find him a funny guy.

But please, continue being a hypocrite in liking horror films that show nudity and violence yet complain about the 'chaos' Stern is giving out.

I know people don't look up to him like a father figure, something like that. But, people do turn to him for certain entertainment like crude humor and that in itself is sick. He just spews pure nonsense.

And, when did horror ever have to do with this rant? It doesn't. Horror movies are fake, they are fantasy and only people who aren't right in their own minds will take them seriously and do something horrible. Horror movies are fake and Howard Stern is real. That's the difference. I'm not being a hypocrite.

[Ki'esha Foxx]

How do you know Stern is real? Meaning, how does anyone know that he doesn't just make all of his crap up? Horror movies use real people to portray fictional (or sometimes factual) events for entertainment purposes; nowadays, the bloodier the better. How do you know Stern's not doing the exact same thing; exagerrating stories or just plain making them up for entertainment purposes? I don't like him or his show, but I hate the FCC even more for other reasons, so I'll defend him all I want.

[Duke Nukem]

I hate Howard Stern and the FCC, you like Howard Stern and hate the FCC, whatever. But, leave horror movies out of this. They are a different form of entertainment and have nothing to do with this rant. Stop going off-topic.

[Ki'esha Foxx]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
I hate Howard Stern and the FCC, you like Howard Stern and hate the FCC, whatever. But, leave horror movies out of this. They are a different form of entertainment and have nothing to do with this rant. Stop going off-topic.

If you read the post it said "I don't like him or his show". I also said I hated the FCC for reasons other than Stern. Horror movies can be tied into this rant, that's how they got in here. I did make it relate to the topic, so poo on you. I think the person who first brought them up noticed that your favorite movie is Halloween and wanted to comment on it. That's all.

[Duke Nukem]

Howard Stern and horror movies are too completely different mediums of entertainment. Horror is fantasy, make-believe and escapsim. You can't take it seriously. Howard Stern is real and he tries to tell bullshit over the radio. That's it and it is bogus. They are both forms of entertainment and that's where the line starts and ends. They aren't relatable anymore than that. Dragging in my love of horror movies is just Stern-lovers desperate ways to "one-up" me over his crude display of behavior. And that is very pathetic on their part.

[APzombie]

I don't know much about Mr. Stern but i can' t fatham how he was able to manage getting his new commercial in theaters - The one with the cock made out of stars. Wow, hahaha...

some people laughed at it, I was next to an elderly couple that actually cracked up when they saw it. I can imagine some didn't find it amusing.

[AWP82]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
Howard Stern and horror movies are too completely different mediums of entertainment. Horror is fantasy, make-believe and escapsim. You can't take it seriously. Howard Stern is real and he tries to tell bullshit over the radio. That's it and it is bogus. They are both forms of entertainment and that's where the line starts and ends. They aren't relatable anymore than that. Dragging in my love of horror movies is just Stern-lovers desperate ways to "one-up" me over his crude display of behavior. And that is very pathetic on their part.

Look, no one's out to get you. It's just that we don't take him as seriously as you do, and find it ridiculous that, somehow, we have less of a right to enjoy his "bullshit" than you do to enjoy a horror film. Yes, they're completely different forms of entertainment, but the key word here is ENTERTAINMENT. Different strokes for different folks, man. If he doesn't float your boat, that's fine, but you not liking him shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us who do. It's mindless bullshit, nothing more. Don't take it so seriously. :)

[the_sneaker]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
And, when did horror ever have to do with this rant? It doesn't. Horror movies are fake, they are fantasy and only people who aren't right in their own minds will take them seriously and do something horrible. Horror movies are fake and Howard Stern is real. That's the difference. I'm not being a hypocrite.

What's worse is how many people listen to what he has to say about the world/politics so on as fact because he's Howard Stern. I know way too many people who take everything he has to say as truth because they like him so much. It just reminds me of people who claim that Farhenheit 9/11 was completely factual, and how it should open everyone's eyes.

[Duke Nukem]

Originally posted by the_sneaker
What's worse is how many people listen to what he has to say about the world/politics so on as fact because he's Howard Stern. I know way too many people who take everything he has to say as truth because they like him so much. It just reminds me of people who claim that Farhenheit 9/11 was completely factual, and how it should open everyone's eyes.

Thank you. That's what I wanted to say, but I knew I couldn't back it up immediately. Now, I can. You all see now? Next to the people who listen to Howard Stern only for entertainment, there are those the who take his bullcrap seriously and are manipulated by him. He does pose as a threat of some sort and he should be taken off that new Syrus station.

[Ki'esha Foxx]

Originally posted by Duke Nukem
Thank you. That's what I wanted to say, but I knew I couldn't back it up immediately. Now, I can. You all see now? Next to the people who listen to Howard Stern only for entertainment, there are those the who take his bullcrap seriously and are manipulated by him. He does pose as a threat of some sort and he should be taken off that new Syrus station.

Dude you are so paranoid! The way you talk (well, type) I'm staring to think that you believe there's a conspiracy everywhere. What type of "threat" does Stern pose? Getting people to quit listening to forty minutes of commercials, fifteen minutes of the DJs' bullshit, then only five minutes of music? Yeah, I don't think Stern plays a lot of music on his show, but I have Sirius radio and think that it is a boon to all humanity. And practically, that's the only place for Stern to go as satellite is uncensored since it is not monitored by th FCC. He's still an entertainer, nothing more. Those that take him seriously need some kind of help, but that's also the kind of arguement parents use to get their kids out of trouble when they do something wrong. "Well, it's not Johnny's fault! The evil television has manipulated him to beat that old man across the street with a hammer." That's all bullshit and so is your belief that Stern is some kind of a threat.

[Duke Nukem]

I'm not paranoid, I just hate people like Howard Stern who take life for granted and turn it into crap. He's a mean spirited person who lowers the quality of life. The way I'm typing now doesn't translate the way I am the rest of my time. I already said that I'm usually not this strong targetted about subjects like Howard Stern. Everybody has a few thorns they hate and for me, that's Howard Stern.

[Joshmo]

I despise Howard Stern cause he has zero morals and uses the airwaves to spread his crap to young people who wont simply "turn off the radio" He presents his opinions as FACT and too many people eat that shit up.

I also hate Rush Limbaugh cause he is a self righteous phony fucking moralist who ADULTS buy into his brand of bullshit as well..again..presenting his opinions as FACT...both of these fuckers are a danger cause they use the airwaves in extremist ways and PRETEND to be nothing but entertainment when they full well they are much more than that. I have no use for a society that condones BOTH of these pricks.

Hows that for "fair & balanced" :D

[the_sneaker]

Originally posted by Joshmo
I despise Howard Stern cause he has zero morals and uses the airwaves to spread his crap to young people who wont simply "turn off the radio" He presents his opinions as FACT and too many people eat that shit up.

I also hate Rush Limbaugh cause he is a self righteous phony fucking moralist who ADULTS buy into his brand of bullshit as well..again..presenting his opinions as FACT...both of these fuckers are a danger cause they use the airwaves in extremist ways and PRETEND to be nothing but entertainment when they full well they are much more than that. I have no use for a society that condones BOTH of these pricks.

Hows that for "fair & balanced" :D

A-fucking-men! Perfectly put.

[AWP82]

No offense, but some of you remind me of Paul Giamatti in Private Parts..."YOU ARE THE ANTICHRIST!!!" :D I mean, good lord, it's one thing not to agree with his morals (or lack thereof), but to say he's only "pretending" to be mindless entertainment when he's really an actual threat to our society is just ridiculous. I can't believe so many people take his bullshit seriously, and even if they do, that's not all his fault. It's kind of their fault too for taking it as gospel and acting so irrationally about it. It's like when real violence happens in the real world, people blame the media or hollywood or the music industry. SICK STUPID PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM, not the media supposedly controlling their fragile minds. I know Howard Stern says a lot of offensive things, but seriously, what has he actually DONE to anyone besides piss them off? That's not a crime, it's free speech. He's never incited any trouble or violence with his "shock jock" antics. He's no more of a threat to our society than comedians or filmmakers are. If he were a politician, that'd be a completely different story, but he's not (as far as I know). He's not a criminal either so people need to RELAX. Just my humble opinion...

I personally find him hilarious, but to each his own.

[AngelDust06]

I agree Censoring him is just unbelivable....So what he has opinions doesnt he have the right to express them? I mean if he can be censored for it we all should be cause I know we have thought or said worse shit than he does.. Its bullshit to censor him...

[Deckard]

Fuck me, censorship.....if we are going to censor people for saying offfensive things that brainwash teh masses lets start with fuckin OPRAH WINFREY and ORGANIZED RELIGION for fucks sake. Political correctness is the real evil.

Oprah and people like her are the reason why no one in society takes responsibility for their own actions.

Why idiots think they can blame everyone and everything but themselves for the fucked up things they do.

Why the masses are happy to see films with mass murder and no consequences. But want to ban any film that show that bullets hurts, knife wounds are bloody or how hard it is to take another human life.

Why the masses cant stand pedophiles and Hitler being portrayed as real people. Why they attempt ot ban anything or anyone that challenges there opinions, ideas or comfort zone. Rather than wondering why the things that people like Howard Stern say upset them so much.

Why people arent thinking for themselves but letting others tell them what is right and wrong.

Ok thats enough. In with the good, out with the bad...anyway if we must censor anything make it the tools of propaganda. "Everyone must look the same, dress the same, like the same crappy music, watch the same crappy films.The people that promote banality, mediocrity and the removal of any sense of individualism. That create a world full of below average performance and promote it as excellence.


In short a world that doesnt think and decide for itself but needs someone else to do it for them.

[Ki'esha Foxx]

Deckard, you abso-fucking-lutely, totally ROCK!!!!!