SAW II

[NightStalkerGtx]

SAW II


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Release Date: October 28, 2005

Studio: Lions Gate Films

Director: Darren Lynn Bousman

Screenwriter: Darren Lynn Bousman, Leigh Whannell

Starring: Donnie Wahlberg, Shawnee Smith, Tobin Bell, Franky G., Glenn Plummer, Dina Meyer, Emmanuael Vaugier, ETC

Genre: Thriller

MPAA Rating: R (for grisly violence and gore, terror, language and drug content)

Plot Summary: Jigsaw is at work again. But instead of two people locked in a room with only one unthinkable way out, there are eight. Eight strangers – unaware of their connection to each other -- forced to play out a game that challenges their wits and puts their lives in jeopardy.

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Hits theaters on October 28th, Ill Be there opening weekend, Hell I might even be there opening day if not on sunday since ill be busy on the 29th either way i wont miss this movie since i am a huge fan of the original and this one looks even better (ala looks like there wont be as much bad acting). What do you guys Think?

[MadsenOMC]

I have to rant a little bit here. I think Saw is one of the most overrated movies in film history. The love it continues to receive from the horror community (of which I am an extremely proud member) still puzzles me. When I sat down to see it last October, I was giddy. The buzz on it had me nearly euphoric prior to seeing it. I fully expected to be scared shitless and blown away. Imagine my surprise when what I got was some awful acting, weak writing, and not a single terrifying moment. Seriously, folks, Saw sucks ass. Terrible fucking movie. I applaud the passion behind it and the fact that it was made on the cheap by people who love the genre. But that doesn't excuse the fact that it's a lame fucking movie. I hope Saw II is a hell of a lot better. The fact that Whannell isn't acting in it is certainly a step in the right direction.

[NightStalkerGtx]

lmao^^ at least your honest;)

[MadsenOMC]

I try. And for the record, I'm not trying to piss anybody off or bash Saw fans or start some shit. I truly, honestly hated the movie, and I'm truly, honestly a huge horror geek. It just didn't work for me.

[chinton]

tyhank you Madsen. While I didnt hate it I still dont see what was so great about Saw. I thought the ending was really laughable. I like my twists earned and I d dint feel that here. The acting was poor and it just wasnt nearly as edgy or violent as it thought it was.


The only scene I loved was where the guy was going through his darkened apratment flashing his camera. Now that was suspensful

[Fisting Ackbar]

I actually liked SAW despite it's many flaws, but this sequel has rushjob written all over it. I'm not opposed to seeing the movie, but my expectations won't be that high.

[CyclicNightmare]

Well this thread is off to a great start. I look forward to another 12 pages of Madsen hating Saw and Saw fans telling him he just didn't get it and that he should stop posting in the thread and Madsen saying, 'They're my opinions and this is a discussion board isn't it?' and people responding 'Oh my God Madsen you hate every movie, just stop watching movies' and Madsen replying 'I will post where I want to post' and so on and so on.

[NightStalkerGtx]

great!!!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^:D

[moviegroupie]

I'm curious what type of reviews this one is going to get.

[Lazy Boy]

I expect the law of diminshing returns with this sequel, as many sequels fall under that trap. A pretty nifty idea from the first one is squandered so we can see Franky G and that annoying chick from Seventh Heaven scream at other useless turds. I loved the first movie, but I'm dreading this one.

Still, I have a free ticket. So it shall be.

[Wurms]

I liked the first one, but I don't see the sequel goin anywhere new. Just going to be a rehash with different peeps and traps. It's not like it's a continuation of the story from part 1.

Ths is gonna be garbage.

[ilovemovies]

I found the first one to be a bit of a mixed bag but generally I liked it enough.

The main reason I'm looking forward to this is Donnie Walhberg. This guy rocks! Ever since the short lived but great tv show BOOMTOWN, I've been a big fan of his! If nothing else, he'll bring a great dose of badass to this movie.

[Cronos]

i really liked the first film and wasnt at all sure about a sequel but the more i see of this the more i want to see it, looks like it could be just as tension filled as Saw and possibly just as fun

[MadsenOMC]

As someone else said, the rush job factor has to be a concern. Didn't Whannell or one of the producers say that they didn't even have an idea, much less a script or a treatment when the studio OK'd a sequel after the strong opening weekend? I know they took Bousman's already existing screenplay and tailored it for Saw II, but rarely is a sequel rushed into theaters this quickly. Quality had to have suffered.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Whenever someone mentions this as a rushjob of a movie all I can think of is The Mummy Returns... And if this is anything like Returns was to The Mummy, I'm staying the hell away from this and going to see Doom or Serenity again. And I loved the original Saw, and I'm still openly against the sequel and that bullshit "We always saw it as a trilogy" stuff they're pulling... You're telling me that you shot a film on that low of a budget and that quick and you had plans that it was going to succeed? Well why didn't you say that before when you said it that before when you were going on about how you thought it was going to fail and that it just made you happy to make the damn thing... Stupid studio bullshit...

[daddiefatsacks]

well, at least its not pg-13...

other than that, i dont think were gonna get much offered to us

[Lazy Boy]

I watched the sneak peek of SAW II on the new Saw director's cut DVD. The scene they showed was actually somewhat intense, so points for the filmmakers for creating nifty ways to kill people.

[ChemicalRomance]

One of my most anticipated of 2005.

[slasherfan]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
One of my most anticipated of 2005.
Same here, I'm dying to see this one.

[NightStalkerGtx]

does the the directors cut of saw show Cary E. cutting off his full leg? and the guys face when he gets slammed with the toilet thing, cuz in the rated u dont see shit.

[slasherfan]

I really want this to be number 1 next week, but with Zorro and Weather Man opening, I doubt that will happen :(

[NightStalkerGtx]

weatherman has no chance in hell of beating this and its opening in about 1,600 theaters and Zorro is going to flop next weekend its halloween no one is looking for a family movie so expect Zorro to get 2nd place with 14 mil if its lucky and SAW II is goin in 2,800 theaters and will be the first choice on many people minds if they go to the movies, and besides SAW II budget was EST 4 mil

[CyclicNightmare]

With a budget of $4 million, isn't it pretty much a lock that we will see Saw III? I bet they are already planning on it. Saw II will make back its budget in one day and will likely be a huge hit on DVD as well. I am so excited for this movie. I hope Whannell and Wan stay involved with the franchise, which should not go beyond three films...


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due to Jigsaw's terminal illness.




























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[ChemicalRomance]

This movie will make plenty of money. Everyone my age is absolutely dying to see it.

[NightStalkerGtx]

dont forget its R a HARD R:cool:

[slasherfan]

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I really don't think this looks like Jigsaw, at all.
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I'm pretty sure it's the guy on the right of this picture.
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I found both these images on Joblos Saw 2 website so it can't be much of a spoiler.

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by CyclicNightmare
Well this thread is off to a great start. I look forward to another 12 pages of Madsen hating Saw and Saw fans telling him he just didn't get it and that he should stop posting in the thread and Madsen saying, 'They're my opinions and this is a discussion board isn't it?' and people responding 'Oh my God Madsen you hate every movie, just stop watching movies' and Madsen replying 'I will post where I want to post' and so on and so on.

You tell the truth.:D I personally loved Saw, but i can see why people hate it.

Saw is a love it or hate it type of movie and i may see Saw II.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by MisterTwister
You tell the truth.:D

But that hasn't happened, has it? It's been a nice and civil thread, so why even go there?

To get back on topic, Lion's Gate was smart to keep the budget low, and they're going to make a killing on this. It'll be profitable by Friday night.

[slasherfan]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
But that hasn't happened, has it? It's been a nice and civil thread, so why even go there?

To get back on topic, Lion's Gate was smart to keep the budget low, and they're going to make a killing on this. It'll be profitable by Friday night.
To be honest I prefer lower budgeted movies, just as long as it's not TOO low.
With a low budget you don't have the studeo breathing down your neck every 2 seconds. I think they have more creative freedom then a $50 million movie would have.

[MadsenOMC]

In this case, everybody wins. Filmmakers get creative freedom. The studio takes a low risk, which in the case of Saw II, with the success of the first one, is really no risk.

[slasherfan]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
In this case, everybody wins. Filmmakers get creative freedom. The studio takes a low risk, which in the case of Saw II, with the success of the first one, is really no risk.
I just hope the audience wins as well.
The only thing I'm worried about is the fact that it was rushed. Although it's not like it's The Mummy Returns and have thousands of stunts and CGI shots.
I mean, I love the Friday The 13th series and most of them came out a year after the other one.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by slasherfan
I just hope the audience wins as well.


Excellent point. Same here.

[NightStalkerGtx]

i think if u liked the first chances are youll like this doesnt look much diffirent, looks to be in the same style, only thing i find missing in the trailers for this one that was in the original is the bad acting:D

[slasherfan]

I just wish websites could post a review. Dread Central, Arrow In The Head and Bloody Disgusting have all seen it but say they are not allowed to post review until Friday.
I've read one review on Ain't It Cool but it could be a plant, you never know.

[MadsenOMC]

Variety and Hollywood Reporter both have a review up, but obviously neither is from a horror fan.

[slasherfan]

Didn't Hollywood reporter give it a good review?
I more prefer horror fan reviews then critic reviews.
Is it weird that I requested this Friday off work so I can see this first thing in the morning?

[NightStalkerGtx]

very wierd becuz i rather see it at night:D

[slasherfan]

Horror film festival starts over here Friday night so I'll be busy with Doom (not out here yet) and 2001 Maniacs on Friday night. Also I don't like to be in crowded cinemas.

Am I the only one who hopes Michael starts slamming the scalpol into his eye in a desprate attempt to get the key out before the trap slams shut?

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
But that hasn't happened, has it? It's been a nice and civil thread, so why even go there?

To get back on topic, Lion's Gate was smart to keep the budget low, and they're going to make a killing on this. It'll be profitable by Friday night.

I was joking madsen, so don't take it seriously.

I have a feeling Saw II will make a decent amount of cash and next year-Saw III.

[slasherfan]

Originally posted by MisterTwister
I have a feeling Saw II will make a decent amount of cash and next year-Saw III.

Oh Yes, there will be more Blood!

Hell, I wouldn't mind another few Saw movies.

[TheDeadWalk]

I absolutely cannot wait to see this. Last year, Saw was one of my favorite movies of the year, earning a solid 9/10.

I've been keeping up on it so much, that I'm almost afraid I'm going to be dissapointed.

[SpacePuppet]

Saw was one of the worst movies of 2004. But for some reason, i'm kinda interested in seeing this. And there is a pretty big chance that it will be worse than last years.

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by slasherfan
Oh Yes, there will be more Blood!

Hell, I wouldn't mind another few Saw movies.

As long as Saw II is good, i wouldn't mind seeing Saw III. and so on.

[Squid Vicious]

Saw was the best comedy of 2004. I'm hoping Saw II will be even funnier (that three-minute preview had me on the floor), but sequels usually disappoint.

[johnny_betts]

I attended a screening of Saw II yesterday, and like most I can't post a full review until Friday. However, I will say that I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Keep in mind that I liked the original, so if you fall into that category then I don't see why you wouldn't be entertained by this as well.

Now don't go in expecting this to be better than the original because it isn't. I felt Saw's climax was possibly the most exciting, most intense 10-15 minutes of any movie of 2004. Off the top of my head I count six unexpected twists in that short amount of time.

I know some people didn't like the ending, but I did. It fit with the dark tone and dreary atmosphere of the rest of the movie. Saw II doesn't end on quite the same pace, but I still felt it did its job. It kept the suspense, tension, and painful-to-watch gore moving along at a consistent clip. Keep in mind that this ain't no riblet that needs a clean picking and you should be fine.

And hey, nobody's acting was as bad as Cary Elwes'!

[slasherfan]

Originally posted by johnny_betts
I attended a screening of Saw II yesterday, and like most I can't post a full review until Friday.

How come, why do they do this?

[johnny_betts]

Originally posted by slasherfan
How come, why do they do this?

Studios make agreements with major publications such as the NY Times, Entertainment Weekly, Variety, the Hollywood Reporter etc. and they typically give them first dibs at running the review before anyone else.

Aside from those agreements, they prefer the reviews to run on opening day (not before). This isn't a big deal with newspaper reviews because they can easily be restricted in regard to when they appear in print.

However, studios have been wary of inviting online press to early screenings for fear that the reviews would be posted on websites immediately after a screening. The way around this is for the studios to tell online press, "If you want us to keep inviting you to screenings then we'd appreciate it if you don't post the review until opening day."

It's pretty much a gentleman's agreement.

[NightStalkerGtx]

johnny, can u please just answer this



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is the suprise ending that jigsaws doll is possed i'd realy thank you if u were to answer.
















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[someguy]

I did not like Saw. The acting was bad, some of the writing was horrible and it had a lame ending. The only decent thing going for it were the traps. Yet Saw 2 is one of my most anticipated movies right now.

Why? Well I know the direction this is going in. Saw tried to be a serious horror, like a new Seven, and it failed miserably. This is kind of like an Evil Dead/Final Destination sequel path. There's going to be a lot of traps, a lot of gore and it will just be plain fun. Plus they are smart this time by NOT marketing it by giving away all the traps like they did with the first one. So when I see part II, I'll be hoping for a fun ride which looks like it.

[johnny_betts]

Originally posted by NightStalkerGtx
johnny, can u please just answer this




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Hey NightStalker, don't worry, that is NOT the ending. Thank goodness. Someone posted that on IMDb, right? Totally false information.

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[ChemicalRomance]

2 days...I cannot freaking wait!

[CyclicNightmare]

It is sooooooooooo hard to avoid spoilers. Thanks for using the warnings everyone. I CANNOT WAIT.

[NightStalkerGtx]

thank god that wasnt the ending, i dont no about imdb but on rotten tomatoes these dumb assholes say they saw the movie and say thats the ending and compare it to the passion of the christ and there fucking morons and i just had to check if that was the ending or not which i 99% knew it wasnt. thanks for the response in terms of violence how do u think it compares

[johnny_betts]

Originally posted by NightStalkerGtx
thanks for the response in terms of violence how do u think it compares

Swa II's a little more violent and bloodier than the original. There were more scenes in this one that actually made me feel the discomfort of what was happening on screen.

[therealjohng]

I'm going in a couple of hours. I hope this is good, Saw was o.k. at best.

[LegionX]

Looking back on 2004 I have to say that I was not impressed with Saw. I remember laughing at a number of the scenes from the original. The acting was some of the worst I've seen in a long time and the dialogue was terrible. The only thing I thought was impressive was the ending of the film. Other than that a huge dissapointment.
Now as for Saw 2, I was very impressed with how much they stepped up on the acting compared to its original. Donnie Wahlbergs performance was solid and even the gentelman who played Jigsaw, (who you get to see a lot of and hear from throughout the film) did an outstanding job. This film has so many connections from the first film, such as the character relation and the game itself. The ending of Saw 2 will show you how the game shares that connection. The ending wasnt as intense as the original but still decent. The dialogue was good, for example, if you see this, listen to the conversation between Jigsaw and Donnie. Its actually pretty interesting. As for the movie as a whole, I'd have to say that I was impressed at how much better it was compared to the original. It contains a number of good scenes and even character relation. As the film goes on you'll see what I am talking about. As for that rumor from IMDB about the doll being possesed... LOL not at ALL. As a matter of fact the doll is only seen twice in the movie. And one of those times is on the TV screen in the opening of the movie. It was a good movie to watch and one to check out if your making a trip up to the theater this Halloween weekend. And ohh yes, There is PLENTY OF BLOOD.....
lol Happy Halloween everyone.

7.5/10

[HHH123007]

I saw it tonight at work and thought it was better than the first one. I didn't like the first one though. This one is a mixed bag.

(Thank god it has some better acting than 1)

The kills aren't frequent and it's pretty dialogue heavy, but some of the violent content in it is quite original. I don't think I've seen something like "the pit" scene in a horror movie in recent memory. The people I saw it with were quite uncomfortable with it.

Anyone who watches movies on a regular basis and puts their mind to it can figure out the "twist". It's not hard.

I'd give it 3 stars out of 5. It entertained me for the most part without thinking "this is stupid" the whole time. That's all I(and the majority of you) probably need.

[therealjohng]

Yeah I figured out the twists within the first 10 minutes. The movie sucked balls compared to the first one. The ending is pretty cool (mainly because I was actually right for once).


5/10.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Yeah, I was pretty certain that the twist ending wouldn't be that hard to figure out and wouldn't be near as good as the end of the original Saw, much less my favorite twist ending this year, Oldboy. Now that's a fucking twist.

[TheGodSon]

seeing it this afternoon. I'll let ya'll know what I think....


if anyone really gives a shit. :D

[TheGodSon]

Just saw it. Good entertainment, couple twists i saw coming, one big one I did not. Don't expect anything revolutionary or anything and you'll probably like it if you liked the original. good build up of the story throughout and a couple things that will make you wanna puke....if you have a weak stomach. heroin is bad.

7/10.

[Duke Nukem]

This was not a disappointment. It was as good as a sequel to "Saw" as it could be. The filmmakers knew they couldn't reproduce the same number of twists to the same degree as the original, so it was a little more straight-forward. There were less developments as to the number devised clues for the prisoners inside the house to rely on than Cary Elwes and the other guy were able to figure out in the bathroom in the original. But, that didn't take away from it.

There were about 8 people trapped in the booby-trapped house, so there was more going on amongst them than there was between Cary Elwes and the other guy. Now, when it comes to horror movies, and especially diabolical ones like this, I'm not going to rant, rant, rant if the characters aren't perfectly 3-dimensional. I'm not going to expect extended monologues that explains all there ulterior motives, yada, yada, yada...basically, I'm not expecting them to go all "Russell Crowe" on our asses. For what it was worth, I felt they ranged about 1.5 dimensional and that was good enough for me. I'm not here to see furthest character development, all I care about is that I at least care about them and feel scared at least *a little bit*. And, it was okay. I'm sure others will be more demanding of the characters, but I thought it was enough. I also felt the acting was fine too. Nothing oscar-worthy, but nothing terrible either. It was fine.

As for the diabolical and bloody doings, I'm not going to elaborate on that too much. There were enough creative and well executed splatter and awe.

What I really about this was how it connected back-to-back with the original. We do learn more about our friend Jigsaw and his motives. Again, he doesn't go all "Russell Crowe" about all of his motives in explicit detail, but we get a good idea of how messed up he is and why, at least I thought so. And what started from the original builds up more with familiar characters and of course, immediate flashbacks, that keeps us on track. And it looks like this thing will continue building up to a possible "Saw III," which I completely welcome. I gotta say, when this movie reached its final revelation about the heck is going and still going, and when they cued that intense music, I was loving every second of it. And if you loved "Saw," I think you'll like this too. The only difference is that it was a *slight* step down from the original. Basically, the hat's out of the bag. Once we know the kind of movie the "Saw" was, one gets an idea of the kind of twisted nonsense would continue in a franchise, and after the freshness of the original, there's no way you can perfectly duplicate all of that. And for what it's worth, "Saw II" was a pretty good sequel.

Saw - ***1/2 out of ****
Saw II - *** out of ****

[CyclicNightmare]

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Review to come...

[NightStalkerGtx]

I have to wait till sunday see it:mad:

[ChemicalRomance]

The first one was my 2nd/3rd favorite movie of 2004 and earned an absolutely fantabulous 9/10 rating from me. Obviously I've been CLOSELY following Saw II since I heard it was gonna be made. So how was it?

Saw opening day last year. Saw II opening day this year. Saw is a great theater movie. Both times the theater was packed and whereas last year the theater was a talking and sound making mess, this time it was yet another packed theatre but extremely silent and the movie was much more effective because of it. Thank god.

Saw II isn't as good as the first. Nope. But is it still pretty fucking awesome? Oh yes yes yes. I loved the atmosphere and the set-up. This "house of death" kind of thing. I enjoyed the characters even if we really didn't get to know anything about them. The traps were even better than the first and thats saying something, props to the "pit" sequence which truly made me extremely uncomfortable and made me squirm in my seat. Don't know if I've ever been that uncomfortable during a movie scene.

The main pitfall is that it involves a little piecing together towards the movies end and the fact that it isn't as neatly put together as the first. This is understandable considering the amount of characters, sideplots, and twists that had to be explained. Saw was more tightly put together while this hung a bit on the sloppy side. But it isn't nearly enough to devestate the film to the point it isn't enjoyable. It's very enjoyable. I'm so happy that Saw II didn't completely blow the franchise up and disgrace the first which was in my opinion, a landmark in horror film making. It's nice to know that the tricky James Wan and Leigh Whannel may still have more tricks up their sleeves for us around this time every year. Needless to say, I'm very interested in where it goes from here.

Bring on Saw III. And that is saying something.

8/10

[CyclicNightmare]

I don't even know where to begin. This is such a rarity. This horror sequel is incredible, just amazing. It makes the first one better. It is at the least as good as its predecessor. The acting is tight, but Bell, Wahlberg, and to a lesser extent Smith especially shine.

I was so nervous about the plot after hearing they had adapted it from an already existing script. But all those fears were laid to rest. This is definately a "Saw" film and it never even felt like a rehash of the original. Bousman did a wonderful job as well, though I did prefer Wan's style in "Saw" a bit more.

At one point in the movie near the end, my jaw hit the floor and stayed there for probably the last 20 minutes. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It absolutely blew me away and I was not expecting it to. I am in awe still. I need to see this movie again. Hopefully tomorrow night. I wish I can say more, but I am still in shock. I was so blown away. I DEFINATELY RECOMMEND IT!

[ChemicalRomance]

:( After rewatching a certain scene for Saw and comparing it to SAW II...

...I am afraid to say that I have found a GAPING plot hole.

P.S.: WOHOO FOR ARROW'S ROLE! :) :)

[Tyler_Durden_208]

I think I might know what you're referring to, it bugged me during the movie, but for the life of me I can't remember what it was...

[TheDeadWalk]

I thought Saw II ended up being done quite well. It was very intresting and delves into Jigsaw's character more. Some of the kill scenes ended up kinda shitty though.

All in all, it was a solid horror film, I give it an 8/10

Also if you think you found a plot hole, please spill it.




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I thought Obi's death came off lame. I would rather of seen the main chick die from a trap as opposed to the nerve gas. I wanted to see that other chick pull her arms out of that box and slice her wrists...

I guess when it came down to it, the traps weren't utilized to the best, and also not used enough. Amanda will be okay as John's successor, but it kinda sucks because she doesn't have that same grisly voice.



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[Jimbo513]

Saw II brought nothing new to the table. I liked Saw OK. I thought the twist was great but the movie was just kinda bland. I went into Saw II with high hopes and was a little dissapointed.

Aesthetically speaking the movie looked great. I liked the colors and the settings. The movie looked dark and creepy and the lighting was great, kinda a pale green lighting. Did they shoot with natural lighting?

Other than that it was a let down. The movie was way too slow and boring. The deaths came far apart...

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Only like 3 of the people are killed by traps, the others just die of the nerve gas. For an R rated horror movie, even the trap deaths were watered down. First there's the guy who gets burned. Come on, that was pathetic. All they show is his upper body hanging out of the window then he dies. Then there was the girl who got her arms stuck in the box thing. Again pathetic. Show us the girl ripping her arms out of the box and cutting off her hands.

So I was sitting through the movie, very bored, thinking, well at least there should be a good twist. But it sucked too.

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The only thing good about this movie is the trailer for Hostel. Eli Roth's new movie looks great. I am hoping Hostel will blow this piece of shit Saw II out of the water and show people what real gore is.

Saw II
5/10

[EDsoulsurvive*]

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Saw 2 was more brutal and disturbing than the first film, although it lacked Saw's character development and earth shattering twists. That being said, I really enjoyed Saw 2, but I felt like I didn't care enough at the end to allow the twists to really hit me this time around. Donnie Wahlberg wasn't a very likable lead (IMO), but the girls in the house and the black guy (did any of them have names) were fun to watch. Personally, I wanted to kill that huge Puerto Rican guy, he was a selfish undeserving bastard. Saw 2 makes him the villian of the house, as opposed to Jigsaw's traps, which were too few and far between. I guess we weren't supposed to like him, but I my hatred for him resulted in annoyance whenever he appeared. This leads me to my next point: I felt like Saw 2 should've been a lot scarier than it was, especially the scenes in the house. It would've been great if the movie created a sense of paranoia, that anything in the house could be part of a trap. However, big bastard had to go around killing everyone, it actually diminished the threat of the house itself.
Don't get me wrong, I had a great time with Saw 2 and liked alot about it. First, the twists were totally staisfying, especially the one that linked Saw 2 to Saw. Some scenes were so intense I struggled to keep my eyes on the the screen (the syringe pit); considering that was a goal of this film, I think Saw 2 upped the ante in shock value. Saw 2 also had a beefier plot than the first movie, although while it didn't make Saw 2 a better film, it did take the movie in a fresh and unpredictable (for the most part) direction. I also loved Dina Meyer's beefed up role. Let's hope she's back for number 3.
All in All, Saw 2 was a satisfying sequel. Certain aspects that made the first movie so fantastic - character, tight knit story, sense of impending doom - were lost in the sequel, substituted for other stimulants - blood, blood, and more blood. Highly reccommended to everyone who liked the original and fans of grisly thrillers.

8/10

[MadsenOMC]

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Sorry folks, but this just doesn't cut it for me. I need and want much more out of my horror flicks. Not a satisfying viewing experience for me at all. Now, spare me the accusations and bullshit please. I did not have my mind made up before I saw it. I did not want to hate it. Yes, I didn't like the first one at all, but I wanted to see a horror movie in the theaters over Halloween weekend, and this was the only option. I lowered my expectations and hoped to have some brainless fun.

That said, I love horror movies. Ever since I saw Pet Semetary in theaters when I was a kid, I have been crazy about the genre. Maybe I'm old school or maybe my tastes have evolved, but I don't like the style of many modern horror flicks. Saw II reminded me of the Amityville Horror remake and Boogeyman in certain ways, specifically, cheap scares and using extremely loud noise and rapid editing to try and scare viewers. I, for one, hate this trend. It's not scary, merely excessively obnoxious.

Saw II started off well enough. The first trap is a cool one, and it's established effectively. Of course it's obvious that the thing is going to snap shut on the guy, and I couldn't wait for it. But when it actually happened, it was a huge letdown. It just closes, and a little blood pours out. Big fucking deal. I wanted his head to explode or something. All build up and no payoff. Not the last time that would happen here.

The rushed nature of the movie is clear from the start. Putting a bunch of strangers in a house full of Jigsaw's traps is a simple and effective set up for a sequel, but the writing is fucking awful, and the traps themselves are really lame. The gun blowing the guy's head off is OK, but the trailers already gave it away. The guy buring alive was lame. The 7th Heaven girl dying from the nerve gas was lame. The girl getting her arms stuck in the overhead box was lame. I wanted her dead for being an idiot, and that was not a satisfactory demise. I wanted and expected far more inventive deaths and traps than what we get, and I think that is directly attributable to the rushed script.

One scene I loved, mostly because I'm afraid of needles, is Amanda being pushed into the pit of needles. That is what I wanted more of. It's fucked up and nasty and cruel. I squirmed in my seat. But that was one of the only good parts in the entire movie.

The acting didn't bother me this time. It's far from good, but I didn't find any of the performances to be as abysmal as, say, Elwes or Whannell or Glover in the first one.

The characters, however, are ridiculously cliched and lame (also due to the rushed nature of the script). Wahlberg's hardass, troubled cop is hilariously cliched. The dialogue between him and his son had me in stitches. Just as bad is Jigsaw and Amanda's pseudo-philosophical ramblings about "appreciating life." I know high schoolers with deeper, more complex thoughts. Listening to them ramble is painful.

But, we don't expect Shakespeare from Saw II. I understand that. It would be a hell of a lot easier to overlook bad dialogue is the rest of the movie was better, but it isn't. It takes about 10 seconds to figure out that Amanda is in on it with Jigsaw. Could see that one coming a mile away. It's also hardly a surprise to find out that they're in the same place as the first one. To be fair, I did like that Wahlberg's son was in the room the entire time, and that he ends up in the same room. Those I didn't see coming and I thought it was pretty cool.

I don't think Saw II is nearly as bloody or graphic as people are making it out to be. Sure, the needle scene is nasty and Frankie G cutting out his number is nasty, but overall, there wasn't enough gore for me. As I said before, the kills are extremely disappointing and there wasn't enough gore/guts for my taste.

I also hated the directing. It's terrible. Just as horrible as the directing in Amityville Horror 2005 and Boogeyman. Rapid editing and crazy camera angles are not scary. It's just fucking annoying. Both are way overused here, especially the rapid cutting. Was it really necessary to employ that tactic every single time someone winds up in a sticky situation? I think not. It's just a case of a director trying to compensate for a story that is lacking.

And seriously folks, not one second of this movie is scary or suspenseful. Not a single fucking second. The Fog remake is scarier than this movie.

I realize that I'll probably be in the minority here, and that's fine. To each their own. I might love this series more if I were younger. But I expect and want more out of horror movies now, especially ones that tout themselves as disturbing and messed up. This movie isn't disturbing at all. Nothing is going to stay with me. I'll forget it by tomorrow. This just isn't my kind of horror movie. It's loud and dumb, and that's about it.

3/10

[chinton]

Hey could you guys do me a favor I really dont feel like spending ten dollars on this movie but I would like to know what the twist is. Also does Shawnee Smith live. Eventhough i havent seen the movie it look she gives a competent performance in the previews and I d idnt want her to die

[Lazy Boy]

Here's the twist, chinton, if you want it spoiled here:

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The twist basically has Jigsaw using mind games to get the detective to search for his son at the house, and get the rest of the police unit looking at another house, which is empty. The detective gets down to the basement level, which leads to the empty room from the first Saw, and finds a body in the bathtub. It's the pig-mask person, but not Jigsaw, and it injects the detective with a serum that knocks him out. Basically, he wakes up and finds himself chained to a pipe. He plays a tape recorder nearby and hears Amanda's (Shawnee Smith) voice -- the big twist is that, based on events from the first film and her believing that Jigsaw "saved her," she has now become his disciple and was working with him from the start of the sequel. The cop, who we learn was crooked, planted drug evidence on her and put her in jail in the past, so she is out for revenge. It basically ends like the first film, with a crazy montage ending with her sliding the door closed and saying "Game over."






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[ChemicalRomance]

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In my opinion the best twist, or part of the movie was when Amanda and the cops son flung open the door to find the cellar from the original Saw in the house. We see decayed Zepp, decayed Dr.Gordon foot and the most awesome: a decayed Adam!

Anyway after the movie ended my friend Bri said: "wait, but when they went to the cellar in the first one wasn't it a factory?"

I went home to watch the first on my computer with my DVD. I looked for how they found out where Adam and Gordon were. Tapp (Glover) was watching Zepp from the other apartment and followed him to the cellar.

HERE IS THE PROBLEM!: When they pull up to the "cellar location" it's a tremendous, story high, factory with tremendous orange doors. Not a house. Not only that, in order to get to the bottom they ran past a "WARNING: RAW SEWAGE" sign and went down some ladders to get to some tunnels...which then led to the cellar.

The only reasonable explanation I can come up with his that the house and factory are somehow combined via the bottom entrance. But I don't know...

Is this in fact a tremendous plot hole?

[Tyler_Durden_208]

That's it... Hit the nail right on the head.
Anyway, the more I think about it the lesser I like it, all around a good time at the movies, but all except the one scene that everyone mentions is good (Amanda and "the pit") is about the only one that sticks with you, although I loved Jigsaw's dialogue. And I didn't figure out the twist and while it makes sense sort of, I don't like the direction it goes.
7/10

[MadsenOMC]

Movies like this aren't trying to make sense. They could care less. It's all about trying to "shock" and surprise the viewer, logic be damned.

[chinton]

Spoilers!!!!!







the cellar was in a factory not in a house. Gald I didnt pay for this another twist that doesnt make sense.

[ChemicalRomance]

CHINTON, POST SPOILERS!

Psst, so is there an agreeance with my said plot hole?

[chinton]

sorry

[CyclicNightmare]

So edit your post chinton.

[CyclicNightmare]

Saw II is not about the people in the house or the death traps. Those are just there for the fans who wanted more of the same. Saw II is about the relationship between the detective and his son. For you, Madsen, the cop felt cliched and over done, and I agree with that to an extent, especially their scene together in the beginning. But as the movie went on, Wahlberg went above and beyond and I think brought much more to the character. For me, it worked and so overall, the film worked. There was a danger that Saw II would just be a weak imitator of the first, but it is not.

[ChemicalRomance]

Cyclic considering we're both die-hard SAW fans, I'm wondering what you think of the plot hole I see that I posted on the 2nd page?

[CyclicNightmare]

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I'd have to watch both films again but I think the direction from which Zep approached the room and Amanda and Daniel approached the room were different. So the interconnectedness is feasible if that is the case. I also don't remember which way Dr. Gordon went. I guess he's still down there somewhere.




































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[ChemicalRomance]

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I wish I had SAW II on DVD, so I could compare it to SAW in terms of how the tunnels leading up to the cellar look like and the methods at whcih they got down. Also take note of the outside of each location.











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[chinton]

there


Ill wait for video for this. I just want to see the traps

[MadsenOMC]

SPOILERS!

Originally posted by CyclicNightmare
Saw II is not about the people in the house or the death traps. Those are just there for the fans who wanted more of the same. Saw II is about the relationship between the detective and his son. For you, Madsen, the cop felt cliched and over done, and I agree with that to an extent, especially their scene together in the beginning. But as the movie went on, Wahlberg went above and beyond and I think brought much more to the character. For me, it worked and so overall, the film worked. There was a danger that Saw II would just be a weak imitator of the first, but it is not.

The relationship between the cop and his son is worse than the shit you see on Lifetime. I didn't care about either of them. Why should I? The son is a completely one-dimensional character, and the cop is dirty. He shot an unarmed man and framed all those people. There is no reason to give a shit about either of them. Give me a reason to care, plus some better acting and writing, and you probably end up with a much improved movie. Wouldn't you rather they release Saw III on Halloween weekend 2007, and make a better movie, rather than rush another one into theaters in time for 2006? To me that says all they care about is getting people's $, and not making the best movie they can make.

[CyclicNightmare]

For someone who hates being misunderstood as much as you do, you would think that would make an effort to read other people's posts carefully. I said that the reason I cared, the reason the movie worked for me, was because of Wahlberg's performance. He went above and beyond and really stretched the character beyond the restraints of the as you call it "Lifetime"-esque relationship.

[Shockwave]

The first one was highly overrated. 6/10

That being said i loved this one. 9/10

I havent felt like this since Spider-man 1 and 2. (the first also rating a 6/10 and the second being a 10/10)

[Lord Raiden]

With SAW being one of my favorite horror/thriller movies of all time, I had mixed emotions going in to see the sequel. First off, I never saw SAW (Yup yup) in theatres last fall and somehow managed to avoid spoilers when I blind bought the DVD earlier this year. One year after the orignal being released in theatres, I was a little more than skeptical that its sequel got put out so fast. I think Jigsaw is one of the most fascinating and original "killers" in the history of modern cinema. The kills, the darkness, even towards the end with its over-the-top acting, I loved every bit of the original and everytime I have seen it since...it still blows me away. I was excited and nervous at the same time to see a rushed sequel to one of my favorite movies ever. I fucking loved it!!! I was a little disappointed at first when Jigsaw was in police "custody" for most of the movie, but I have to admit the ending just blew me away. I honestly didn't see it coming. Of course it was hard to beat the original's surprise climax, but for what its worth, this one was pretty damn close. Even though Amanda is going to carry on Jigsaw's plans, I hope the man is at least going to be a big part of any more SAW movies they make (He may have cancer, but it's "movie cancer" and that could last a long time...wishful thinking I guess). Basically, even if you might have not liked the original, I'd say give this movie a shot with an open mind...you might be surprised.


SAW 9.5/10
SAW II 9/10

[Ender]

***BIG SPOILERS***




Not to be argumentative, but I'm a little tired of people complaining about how stupid the girl in the glass box trap was. Yes it was dumb sticking her arms up there but think about it, she was delirious and on the brink of death, she'd been inhaling toxic nerve gas for almost two hours. Plus, ya know, she wasn't exactly Mensa material even before that.

The thing I had a big problem with was how obvious it should have been to Wahlberg's character that he was heading into a trap. Everyone in the theatre realized it, why didn't he?

Also, although I loved the elaborate mindgame "trap" that Jigsaw and Amanda set for Detective Mason ("Just listen to me talk", simple but brilliant), I didn't think it was really in character for them. Jigsaw's traps can always be escaped if the person in them is willing to do enough. In this case, Detective Mason would have had to sit around and watch his son die (or so he thought) for two hours. To me, this isn't really fair, because no man would do that. Granted, some people would show much more restraint than our lead did, but once the timer was down to, oh, say, fifteen minutes, no one would just sit around and wait out the clock, that's absurd. Doing things like sawing off your own foot or putting out your own eye, these things are awful but people have done them in life or death situations. No one, however, sits on their hands and watches their kid die, even the most level-headed of individuals will lose it sooner or later. So this didn't really seem "fair" to me and it didn't seem like the sort of setup Jigsaw would do. Remember, the idea is that he actually wants his victims to escape, he wouldn't devise a trap that a victim couldn't get out of.






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Well I don't know what everyone else was expecting but I got a kick out of SAW II. It was more or less what I had in mind when I paid my ticket price, a movie that was not quite as good as SAW but still fun and watchable. In the end it's a movie of compromises with the original, tradeoffs were made to up the quality in some departments while sacrificing it in others. The acting was on the whole better than the original, but in return we sacrificed most of the character development (only Jigsaw, Mason, and to a lesser extent Amanda are real characters, most everyone else is just there to get offed). The setup was much more elaborate (gleefully so), but the downside of that is that driving two stories simultaneously makes the affair seem rushed in places. The twist at the end is good, very good, and actually surprised me (I predicted some of it, but not all of it), but there are some logic holes in it and it seems to me that it violates a few character rules (see above spoilers). Still, the first SAW wasn't a perfect movie either. Like it's predecessor, SAW II kept me watching, kept me guessing, and made me feel like for once I hadn't overpaid for my ticket.

Oh, and might I add, I squirmed more than once during this flick. I know a lot of people are complaining about the traps and the kills, but I was into it. Two in particular ("It's right before your very eye." and "Like finding a needle in a haystack!") gave me the fucking chills, and I wondered whether I would be able to bring myself to do it if it were me in that situation.

PS: I annoyed the fuck out of the whole theatre when I, for reasons that will probably always remain a mystery to them, hooted and hollared at the top of my lungs for the video tech guy.

[CyclicNightmare]

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I saw (hehe) it again tonight and I think you are right. The basements are connected. Amanda and Daniel are running around for a while so it is reasonable that they got to the warehouse area where the bathroom is located.


























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[TheDeadWalk]

haha, yeah.

I really wish they would have shown more with the video techies when they came in as opposed to briefcases and black shoes.

I wonder if on IMDB there is a section that says "John Fallon's stunt double".

:D


Film worked for me too, didn't seem cliched, but for being a rated R film I don't think they tapped into their potential with eight contestants, one house, and a plethora of traps.

There should have been no nerve gas. I would rather of seen Jigsaw say everyone has to put themself into a trap, or I will only open the door once there is only one of you left breathing. The walk slow, bobble around and cough wasn't all that.

But again, I really dug the movie. I want to see it again.

[CyclicNightmare]

Where is Jo's review?

[TylerDurden182]

Saw 2- 9/10

I am definantly going to see this again tomorrow.

[daddiefatsacks]

*SPOILERS*

Not bad, but not good....the opening kill and the 'pit' scene were definately cringe-worthy, but the ending is really dumb!

can anyone really see this killer even being scary, or as cool as Jigsaw...NOPE!!!

all the characters in the house stunk, Franky G should just die in every movie, the son was a pussy, the chick who stuck her hands in the box should have showed her rack, Beverly Mitchell was ANNOYING and she didnt even say why she was arrested, and were sposed to believe she actually was?

the kills, jigsaw, dohnnie walberg, the arrow are reall the only good things out of this

5/10

[KcMsterpce]

I thought this movie fucking blew.

The puzzles were stupid, and obvious. It was frustrating seeing all these people be too dumb to solve the simplest puzzles ever. What's worse is that they always fall for the 'horror idiot' traps, and not only that, there's no WAY Jigsaw could figure out what people would do in every single moment, yet he does know, and the ending was what I expected.

Bad ending, bad acting, horrible editing, and a lackluster limp-dicked esemblage of pathetic clues.

Bleh!

Saw (www.kcmsterpce.com/reviews/saw.html) - 7/10

Saw II (www.kcmsterpce.com/reviews/saw2.html) - 3.5/10

[CyclicNightmare]

Originally posted by KcMsterpce

... bad acting...
Do you think this also applies to Wahlberg, Bell and Smith? I thought they were all tremendous, especially Wahlberg.

[MadsenOMC]

I think Wahlberg was stuck playing an extremely cliche character, and I don't think he brought anything to the role that any other actor could have brought. It's the kind of character we have seen so many times before. Not all his fault, but he doesn't add anything special, IMO. Any actor could have done what he did. Bell, though, is better. He doesn't overact, which is refreshing. But his dialogue! Atrocious. That pseudo-philosophical babble is painful to listen to. It's like someone read a college philosophy text or two and just threw some shit together.

[CyclicNightmare]

Different strokes I guess. Wahlberg did it for me, but not for you, fair enough. I also had no problem with the dialog between he and Bell. It may have been simple philosophy but it stayed true to the characters. I was not expecting them to go into intense collegiate philosophical debates.

What did you think of Shawnee Smith's performance? The look on her face was incredible when...

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Xavier is cutting his number from the back of his neck.





























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[MadsenOMC]

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I think Smith was better than Wahlberg, but she has yet to face her real challenge. That will come in the third movie, in which I assume she will be front and center (not that her role in this one is tiny or undemanding). Then we'll see what she's got. Think she is grateful for these movies? Wow.

[CyclicNightmare]

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True about her true test. But as a fan of the franchise, I'm unsure of the direction in which it's heading. Without Jigsaw, without Tobin Bell's Jigsaw, this franchise just won't be the same. I was upset that it was her voice on the tape at the end. It should have been JIgsaw explaining it all and then an injured Jigsaw smiling and slamming the door. "Game over!", just like the first. I hope, that when cancer finally claims him, the franchise dies with him. Oh and please, lets get Wan back to finish the series with Saw III.






























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[ChemicalRomance]

The weekend estimate is in!!!


$30,500,000

[MadsenOMC]

Does Wan have any interest in coming back? It will probably depend on how Silence performs. If it does well, he probably won't return. If it tanks, then he'll probably be back. Look at James Wong. He passed on Final Destination II, if I'm not mistaken, but he's back for the next one because his career has cooled off a bit.

I can't imagine this franchise ending when it is making this kind of money.

[CyclicNightmare]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Does Wan have any interest in coming back? It will probably depend on how Silence performs. If it does well, he probably won't return. If it tanks, then he'll probably be back. Look at James Wong. He passed on Final Destination II, if I'm not mistaken, but he's back for the next one because his career has cooled off a bit.

I believe that the only reason he did not do Saw II was a scheduling conflict with Silence. If that is the case, I don't see why he wouldn't return. Saw was he and Whannell's brainchild. I believe they would want to make sure the franchise is done right.
Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I can't imagine this franchise ending when it is making this kind of money.
That's what scares me the most. I'll try to keep an open mind, but I'm hoping they make it a trilogy and leave it at that.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by CyclicNightmare
I believe that the only reason he did not do Saw II was a scheduling conflict with Silence.

Oh. You may be right. I just assumed that he chose to do Silence and not Saw II. I am interested to see how quickly the studio moves ahead with Saw III.

[NightStalkerGtx]

im seeing it in about 2 hours and i cant wait, as for the studio moving ahead with saw 3 porb will anounce it tomorrow since SAW 2 didnt take that long to make anyway (only 25 days) and its low budget the 3rd ones budget will prob be 4-7 (saw 2's was 4) and they prob film it in less then a month and besides it will make profit wiether it sucks or not and this one people worried about it being rused but fans seemed to pleased and very happy so maybe just cuz it comes out next year doesnt mean its rushed i mean u got the script done u fix and u make the movie and its out for next halloween its a horror it doesnt take 5 years to make it. Oh and releasing it next halloween wouldnt be bad do the same shit with saw 2 release the unrated cut one week b4 the 3rd comes out.

[CyclicNightmare]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Oh. You may be right. I just assumed that he chose to do Silence and not Saw II. I am interested to see how quickly the studio moves ahead with Saw III.
Believe it or not, I agree with you. This one film each year for Halloween is a pattern that should not continue. I would prefer that they take their time and just give us the best movie possible. If they can do that in under a year, I wouldn't mind Saw III next Halloween. But I'd prefer they wait for another great script and then move forward.

However, I think it's probably likely that they wrote Saw II with Saw III in mind. I think Whannell must have it in his head. Hopefully he can get his friend Wan back on board.

[NightStalkerGtx]

oh and whats silence about? (and if i was wan i wouldnt do silence and wouldve directed SAW II stay with the franchise man dont let some other bastard put his hands all over it)

[CyclicNightmare]

Originally posted by NightStalkerGtx
oh and whats silence about? (and if i was wan i wouldnt do silence and wouldve directed SAW II stay with the franchise man dont let some other bastard put his hands all over it)
Plot outline from IMDB: A widower (Kwanten) returns to his hometown to search for answers to his wife's murder.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0455760/

Like Saw, it was written by Wan and Whannell.

Whannell apparently has a cameo.

Donnie Wahlberg plays a detective in it.

[jaw2929]

*POSSIBLE SPOILERS*

I went to go see this second SAW movie in a year, and thought it was VERY good!

I didn't get the vibe that I got from the 1st one, the intense/cringing feeling where you're not sure what's going to happen... I thought the 1st movie was slightly better than this one, but this one was just as fucking disturbing...

It starts out with a good tense opening scene and then goes into it's story about how a cop is having problems with his teenage son... Typical Hollywood cop story where he decided to sit behind a desk than patrol out on the street... Eventually he comes across Jigsaw's first new victim for the movie, and then him and a SWAT team come across the same abandoned building that Jigsaw used as his "base" in the first one...

Jigsaw's actually THERE though and the series of games he's created takes place on some monitors in this building where they find him. In an unknown house location 6 people (including said cop's son) are locked inside this house and have 2 hours to escape before toxic nerve gas that's been pouring out of the vents in the house destroys their bodies and they die....

Without goin into anymore detail than that, there's some sick moments and some made me feel very uncomfortable/hard to watch... Also loved the fact that Beverly Mitchell was one of the people in the house... You may or may not know her as little innocent Lucy from the TV Series "7th Heaven" the good down-home wholesome Christian family show on the WB network where Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2003 star Jessice Biel got her start! What better way to break away from the wholesome family image than to star in a sick psychological Horror thriller?! :D

Anyhow, if you enjoyed the first SAW flick then you'll definately like this movie as well... The whole story/concept is brilliant over the course of the 2 movies and it shouldn't disappoint you! ;)

[Digifruitella]

Originally posted by Jimbo513


The only thing good about this movie is the trailer for Hostel. Eli Roth's new movie looks great. I am hoping Hostel will blow this piece of shit Saw II out of the water and show people what real gore is.


Well, I wouldn't go as far as calling SAW II a piece of shit - because it definitely wasn't.

Although, I agree about HOSTEL. I had already seen it in quicktime, and I didn't know it was attached to SAW II, but when it came on, It sent chills down my spine. I wish the trailer was longer. Eli Roth is da man.

[Digifruitella]

I would like to say something, and I'm wondering if anybody else reacted the same.

Somehow, during the first SAW - I didn't laugh at the performances at all, just a few times in the end, when Cary Elwes' acting was bad.

In SAW II, man, I was surprised at how much I laughed at the performance of Franky G..lol

anybody else laugh?

[ilovemovies]

I was totally on the edge of my seat for the entire last 30 minutes or so. Loved it then. The rest of the movie is pretty good but it's the final act that makes this really worth watching. Wahlberg was solid but it was not a exactly a challenging part for him. For a look at what kind of range he is capable of I'd recommending checking out the tv show BOOMTOWN on dvd. Bell was awsome. Loved the scenes between him and Wahlberg especially when Wahlberg starts beating him up near the end.

It's funny that Arrow spent 3 days working on this movie yet his overall screen time is barely longer than 30 seconds.

[CyclicNightmare]

In reference to the post below:

It fit the character. I didn't mind it.

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by Digifruitella
In SAW II, man, I was surprised at how much I laughed at the performance of Franky G..lol

"THE ONLY DOOR YOU CAN OPEN IS DAT ONE BETWEEN YA LEGS!"

Worst. Dialogue. Ever.

**=just this line.

[Psychopathic287]

Overall I give this film an 8/10 only because it was slightly flawed, but there was only one thing I didnt really like, and that was....


SPOILER WARNING!!!!!!




that at the end when the new killer (whom I shall not name) trapped Whalberg... it wasnt good enough at all to be a Jigsaw type killing, there weren't any clues, he was just trapped in the darkness doomed to starve to death. It was too much of a revenge rather than way to teach Jigsaw's way of survival. If thats how the follow up movie is going to portray it's killing, I'm going to get bored quick.




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Other than that little annoyance, I found the movie to be a great follow-up to the first and one of the best sequels I've seen in some time.

[therealjohng]

Wanna hear something funny? One could walk into both Saw movies with only 10 mintues left and not miss a single important part. Both movies recap every important event in each movie. Just a little observation.

[Shockwave]

Did anyone catch the "last house on the left" reference in the movie? :p

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Did anyone catch the "last house on the left" reference in the movie? :p

Yeap....

[SpikeDurden]

Originally posted by Psychopathic287
Overall I give this film an 8/10 only because it was slightly flawed, but there was only one thing I didnt really like, and that was....


SPOILER WARNING!!!!!!




that at the end when the new killer (whom I shall not name) trapped Whalberg... it wasnt good enough at all to be a Jigsaw type killing, there weren't any clues, he was just trapped in the darkness doomed to starve to death. It was too much of a revenge rather than way to teach Jigsaw's way of survival. If thats how the follow up movie is going to portray it's killing, I'm going to get bored quick.




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Other than that little annoyance, I found the movie to be a great follow-up to the first and one of the best sequels I've seen in some time.

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The way I see it is that Whalberg's character was already allowed to play his game, which was talking to Jigsaw until the safe would open, while watching his son and the others on the monitors. Because he flipped out and left to go to the house, he already lost the game, and being chained in the bathroom without any help/clues is his punishment for losing.

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[moviegroupie]

seeing very soon. yes!!!!!

[NightStalkerGtx]

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SAW II

SAW II was... Better then the original. Many people are are saying it was rushed, but come on it doesnt take 5 years to make a horror movie noir to write it for it to be good, the creators are new in the genre there not working on a 100 projects at the same time, so bascially this wasnt going to take 5 years to make. Just because it takes a long time to make a sequel doesnt mean its gonna be good, and sometime when it takes a short time you get horror gems like SAW II.

Donnie Wahlberg, was a big step up on the acting it made Danny Glover look like a toddler playing cowboys and indians. The rest of the cast was also fine. Frank G didnt bother me i thought him as a macho man, dickwad thats cocky and he plays that role fairly well.

The Directing and writing. The directing is pretty much in the same style and very good for a first timer. Also the writing really pretty much stayed the same it has improved a bit but i didnt have a problem with the writing itself in SAW.

As for the gore, i loved it! It made me cringe and feel disgusted but not in a bad way in the way i want to feel when i watch a horror movie on halloween, Its R a big hard in your face Fuck You R. The twists were also awsome and i couldnt see some of them coming really fucking clever and i dont think in any time did the movie try to out do the original (even though at the end it does).

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So in the end. We get a fantastic horror movie, just like the first, only it takes away the bad acting, and add 10x more gore and has a better twist (in my opinion) so what do you get? A Fantastic sequel to a horror hit that stunned lots of people and fans of the orginal shouldnt really have any problem with this movie and enjoy it, Maybe not as much as the first, maybe the same amount or maybe even more all i know is that SAW II is 2005's best Horror movie and the best in the last 3 years. I wouldnt have any goddamn problem having a 3rd one next halloween.

SAW 2- 9/10 or **** and a half/***** or A-

SAW- 8/10 or ****/***** or B

[MadsenOMC]

I didn't think it was all that gory. Sure, there's some blood and guts here and there, but overall I would not call it a gory movie. It didn't seem like a Fuck you R to me. I watched High Tension again over the weekend, and not only is it a far better horror movie, it's much, much gorier. To me, Saw II is the perfect example of horror done wrong, while HT is an example of the genre done right.

[MadsenOMC]

I don't disagree that HT is somewhat of a standard slasher flick, but it's done extremely well and it's a hell of a lot scarier than Saw II, in my opinion. Having seen them almost back to back, I can say with confidence that it's also a hell of a lot gorier. There's one kill in particular that is bloodier and more revolting than anything in Saw II. But hey, different strokes for different folks.

[NightStalkerGtx]

well, i did think High Tension was Gory and was a very well made horror film (8/10), i thought SAW 2 was way more intense in gore, High Tension was gory but i dont think it was up there with saw 2 and high tension doesnt go out its way to make itself anything special it just seems like a standered slasher to me but i wont lie it scared me shit less i just think SAW 2 is better, but i still respect the fact that you didnt like it.

[moviegroupie]

3/10

Terrible, not much creativity beyond the small thing of devices.

They might as well make this a tv show with every episode a different situation, it would save us a trip to the theatres. And the acting might even be better if it were televised. At least it would find its own home.

[Lazy Boy]

**Brief Spoilers**

I would have no problem with seeing a third installment, but after that, the trilogy should be complete and be put to rest. No crappy direct-to-video sequels that further water down the concept. I can't believe this has become my favorite horror franchise since...I don't know. I guess Scream, but it started to get silly for part two, and awful for part three. Of course, I've had a thing for Shawnee Smith since the better-than-average remake of The Blob, so I'm interested to see how she pulls over the roll of puppeteer for the third installment (a definite assurance based on the B.O. numbers). Nothing can beat hearing Jigsaw's voice saying "Game over," so I hope he returns for one last show.

I would say the first film was bloodier than this one, but this one was more unnerving in the mere suggestion of the events -- of course, the syringe scene is a perfect example of inducing squirms, but I also thought Obi's screams as he was being burned alive was more terrifying than actually seeing it happen. I don't know if that makes sense.

High Tension -- now THAT was a gorefest. I'd say that film (and the Saw films) puts PG-13 crap like The Fog to shame.

[Lazy Boy]

The original is better, yes, but I was impressed that the sequel didn't suck. I had been dreading the possibility for a long time.

[ChemicalRomance]

Saw II ain't got nothin' on Saw.

[Bourne101]

I am going to see it tonight at an 8:00 showing. I can't fucking wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NightStalkerGtx]

i cant see how this is less violent then the first?, but anyways i agree that obi's screams where more effective then teh syringe scene

[NightStalkerGtx]

Chem what does that convo mean i dont get it lmao its so damn confusing i read it like 5 times

[ChemicalRomance]

I am xPhantomsForever...





***SPOILERS****











l a v m o n g a: and all those people actually
l a v m o n g a: talk about undeveloped characters
l a v m o n g a: we know nothing about them
l a v m o n g a: why theya re there and such
l a v m o n g a: that pissed me off
xPhantomsForever: its not a movie of character development
l a v m o n g a: yea but i mean
l a v m o n g a: in the last one
xPhantomsForever: yeah
xPhantomsForever: it was those 2 bam
l a v m o n g a: you know why everyone is taken
l a v m o n g a: adam is a snoop, the other guy is an adulterer etc..
l a v m o n g a: but these people, nothing, that one dude sells drugs and they say amanda cuts herself
xPhantomsForever: and the worst part is
xPhantomsForever: this is actually
xPhantomsForever: wow a big logic hole
xPhantomsForever: okay these people WERE SET UP.
xPhantomsForever: SET UP to go to jail
xPhantomsForever: correct?
l a v m o n g a: yea
l a v m o n g a: framed by donnie
xPhantomsForever: ...were provided no explanation why they are even there.
l a v m o n g a: exactly
xPhantomsForever: ok they went to jail, BUT NOT FOR SOMETHING REAL.
l a v m o n g a: those characters are really worthless
l a v m o n g a: they bring nothing to the table without knowing why they are there
l a v m o n g a: he brings people into his game to appreciate life, and we have no clue why these people need to be taught survival
xPhantomsForever: "hello _____, you're a liar."

[poopontheshoes7]

cocksucking whores I need to see this now!!!!!!!!!!
Damn hurricane wilma knocking out power!!!
I want SAW II already!!

[someguy]

semi spoilers


I got to see it just recently, and did I get a fun Halloween movie? No, not really.

I didn't mind the bad character development. I didn't really care for anyone in the first place, and if they wasted time by developing them the movie would be a bore. I would have appreciated if we saw every trap with an explanation for each. As it was mentioned earlier, there was absolutely no explanation on why a bunch of characters were put in there. I don't think people wanted to watch three or four traps and a bunch of throwaway deaths.

The acting was actually good this time. I didn't mind Frankie G's character, he pretty much did what the character had to do. Nobody really grated my nerves here, unlike the first with almost all of them. The dialogue was not very bad as I've heard, and Jigsaw's ramblings weren't too bad. So he mentioned Darwin and made an analogy about people not drinking the water of life. It was a little over a minute, probably less if you took out him just describing his backstory. It was very forgettable.

The opening didn't start things off well, it was pretty much a big yawn. The MTV editing throughout made me want to gouge my eyes out. There are other ways of showing people going crazy than having 7 cuts a second and whirling the camera around. Unlike the first one, this doesn't take itself very seriously so they don't seem really out of place.

The movie still kept my interest though, and the traps were good (needle scene was the best part of the entire movie). I'd welcome a Saw III, but it should stop after that since it doesn't really scream out Franchise. One of the 'twists' was done greatly, I figured it out halfway but once it was fully shown I had a grin on my face. Plus the little winks towards the first one and other movies (Last House on the Left) were fun. It's better than Saw, but not by much.

Saw II 6/10

Saw 4/10


Oh yeah, is it just me or did this movie feel like a complete rip off of Cube at points?

[outsyder]

Just got back from it.

A decent movie. Although I had little care for the characters other than perhaps Donnie Wahlberg (which is probably because I like him as an actor), it was still very suspenseful. The nods to the first movie were nice, and the last 30 minutes were great. Still a shocking movie, but nothing compares to the first. Overall, a 6.5/10.

VAGUE SPOILERS!!!************



I won't soon forget the needles or when that big metal door was slid open for the first time.

[CyclicNightmare]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
The weekend estimate is in!!!


$30.5 million
And it's wrong! It was actually...


$31.7 million!!!!!

[Raul Duke]

the 7th Heaven chick was basically pointless in this movie. Why did she go to jail, she didnt have a cool death, why did she die so early?

[ilovemovies]

This movie is definately not as gruesome as the first one. Nothing in this movie, not even the needle scene, matches the scene from the first one when Cary Elwes had to saw off his foot for gore and squirminess, IMO.

[Mothling]

Originally posted by Raul Duke
the 7th Heaven chick was basically pointless in this movie. Why did she go to jail, she didnt have a cool death, why did she die so early?

I thought exactly the same thing. She didn't do anything bar slide down walls and cough.

[NightStalkerGtx]

well, she did do jail time, and i like the fact that she died of the gas.

[Raul Duke]

Originally posted by NightStalkerGtx
well, she did do jail time, and i like the fact that she died of the gas.

but 45 minutes before everyone else? Only thing she did was notice the X.

And also, not once during the 2 hours did anyone take any stock in the "over the rainbow" clue, in the end we see (Im sure some people missed it) the numbers are colored. But at no point did anyone try to figure out the initial clue

[ChemicalRomance]

Raul, I recently figured out that rainbow clue you speak of but:

***SPOILERS***










The black guys number, if I saw correctly was white.

There is no White/W in ROYGBIV.

[Shockwave]

..about the chick that died from the gas..



My take on it was to show that the gas could in fact kill them and that it wasnt a bluff or a tactic to get them to hurry along.

When there is enough carnage and badassery along the way to fill 20 of these recent pussified horror movies one slumpy death can be forgiven in my opinion.

For someone who thought(and still does) that the first was over-rated, i cant believe how much i dug this movie.

[MadsenOMC]

SPOILERS!!!

Originally posted by Shockwave
..about the chick that died from the gas..



My take on it was to show that the gas could in fact kill them and that it wasnt a bluff or a tactic to get them to hurry along.

When there is enough carnage and badassery along the way to fill 20 of these recent pussified horror movies one slumpy death can be forgiven in my opinion.

For someone who thought(and still does) that the first was over-rated, i cant believe how much i dug this movie.

But there is absolutely no reason for anyone to doubt the gas and its potential effects. We know that Jigsaw doesn't fuck around, and the characters do as well. Someone has already had their head blown off, and certain people are hacking up their lungs because of the gas. There is no doubt about the gas.

And I just have to disagree about the carnage and badassery (good word, by the way). There's not nearly enough of either. I found too many of the kills to be a disappointment. The guy burning alive did not do it for me. You can see the trap coming way ahead of time, and it's not all that cool or interesting. Again, the 7th Heaven chick dying from the gas. Boring as hell. Even the guy getting his head blown off lost its impact for me because it was given away ahead of time in trailers and such. I don't think it's unreasonable to be let down by the traps and kills in this one, and to expect a hell of a lot more for our hard earned money. I think rushing it out hurt it.

[someguy]

Raul...






The girl died from the gas earlier than everyone else since she most likely had a weak immune system.

I just wonder about a few things. Who was the overhead box trap supposed to be for, and which trap would have been Amanda's since she was obviously in with it on Jigsaw the entire time.

[Poeman]

you guys,
if you like the song that plays at the end of SAW 1 and 2 the one where ...

SPOILERS**
where Xavier is cutting his neck and the one where adam played the tape
*********END SPOILERS

you can download it here, Charlie Clouser this the guy who made it,
its called " Hello Zepp" http://www.myspace.com/charlieclouser

[poopontheshoes7]

Thats cool Poeman. Thanks.

[Poeman]

no problem

[The Prowler]

Hmmm I thought the first Saw was a masterpiece compared to this one. This one had no originality and rode the coattails of the first one. The dialogue was terrible in parts, mainly with the cops. I did not find one thing shocking when viewing this. Big disappointment.

Saw 1 7/10
Saw 2 5/10

[TheDeadWalk]

*** SPOILERS !!! ****


Originally posted by someguy
Raul...






The girl died from the gas earlier than everyone else since she most likely had a weak immune system.

I just wonder about a few things. Who was the overhead box trap supposed to be for, and which trap would have been Amanda's since she was obviously in with it on Jigsaw the entire time.


Judging by how that trap was set up, I think it was Amanda's trap. I could see the tape saying something like "Would you cut yourself again to save your life..." or something to that nature.

[CyclicNightmare]

Talk about a Halloween boost. Saw II made over $4.5 million on Monday. Sweet!

[CyclicNightmare]

I am surprised at its box office so far. $2.6 million on Tuesday- on a Tuesday! I love it.

[MadsenOMC]

Do we really need daily box office updates here? I think not.

[MadsenOMC]

If it was tanking and I posted a daily box office report, I'd be torn to shreds. People would say that this wasn't the proper place for that. But whatever. There has long been a doube-standard around these parts. I'm used to it by now.

[someguy]

I don't see why he can't post them

[Lazy Boy]

I don't have a problem with it. It's just the box office for the movie on a day to day basis.

[CyclicNightmare]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
People would say that this wasn't the proper place for that. But whatever.
And they would be wrong. This is the proper place for it.

[Bourne101]

I don't have a lot of time to write a review but I am going to say that this movie kicks soooooo much ass.

I enjoyed it more than SAW because there was better acting, not as many flaws, a big shocker of an ending (about the same shock level as SAW, mabye a bit less) and the blood baby, it was crazy.

From the first scene on it was just plain insane. Not stop shocking events throughout.

10/10

[MadsenOMC]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I imagine that the budget on the third one will be a small jump up from the second. I think there will be a new director for the third one as well, since Bousman signed a deal with the Weinstein's.

[Duke Nukem]

Glad the movie is making good $$$

[Lazy Boy]

I wonder, if they make a third installment, if the budget will go up, or if they'll continue to pull it in at a relatively dirt cheap amount.

They'd probably might as well stick with what works and hire no name actors and knock another one out. It's made money for the producers, they shouldn't screw it up.

[Lazy Boy]

I'd like James Wan to return to directing it. I feel that he and Leigh Whannel are the parents, they should nourish their baby for one last time and then move on.

[MadsenOMC]

When is Silence due for release? Initially I thought that the success (or lackthereof) of Silence would determine whether or not Wan would return to the Saw franchise. But if the studio wants Saw III in theaters by next Halloween, that won't be possible. I would guess that they'll go after another young director, much like Bousman.

[Lazy Boy]

Next Halloween? I should've figured so, since that's a lucrative holiday for the series...hmm, I guess they will need a new guy.

Bousman's style wasn't all too different from Wan's, at least, but if anything, they need a fresh young guy with his own spin, so the series doesn't go out on a hack job note.

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by Lazy Boy
I'd like James Wan to return to directing it. I feel that he and Leigh Whannel are the parents, they should nourish their baby for one last time and then move on.

Agreed.

[CyclicNightmare]

3rd'd

[CyclicNightmare]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
When is Silence due for release? Initially I thought that the success (or lackthereof) of Silence would determine whether or not Wan would return to the Saw franchise. But if the studio wants Saw III in theaters by next Halloween, that won't be possible. I would guess that they'll go after another young director, much like Bousman.
The rumored release of Saw III is 2007. (houseofjigsaw.com) So I will still hold out hope for Wan. Regardless of whether Silence is a success or not, I hope he will come back to tie up his baby with a tight 3rd, final installment.

[MadsenOMC]

Is the third one for sure going to be the last? Why would the studio stop after three when they are making this much money?

[MadsenOMC]

So fucking what. The studios don't care. As long as it's making money, they don't care how redundant it gets. Halloween, Hellraiser, Friday the 13th, etc.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Is the third one for sure going to be the last? Why would the studio stop after three when they are making this much money?

because it gets redundant?

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
So fucking what. The studios don't care. As long as it's making money, they don't care how redundant it gets. Halloween, Hellraiser, Friday the 13th, etc.
Well, just judging by what Whannell has said, he "always saw it as a trilogy" (which I call bullshit on, and go into Lewis Black mode saying that nobody shooting a movie in that way would ever see the future as a trilogy, where you're worrying if somebody will even pick the movie up) but I'm assuming hopefully he and whoever else is associated with the Saw series would agree and just drop it after three, unless it's just the studio moving on, which we all know how those turn out... Of course I still haven't forgiven Lions Gate for Pumpkinhead 2, so yeah...

[CyclicNightmare]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Is the third one for sure going to be the last? Why would the studio stop after three when they are making this much money?
I just meant that I hope Whannell gets outta there after the 3rd. As I have stated before, that will be the end of the franchise for me, even though, like you said, the studio will inevitably rape the shit out of it for as much money as they can.

[MadsenOMC]

Gotcha. I imagine they would retain executive producer credit on all future entries, but their actual involvement would be extremely limited. They get a nice check and the studio gets a cash cow. Everybody wins, with the possible exception of the fans.

[War Movie Mania]

Warning: Spoilers!

I "Saw" the movie last weekend and while it was decent I didn't leave the theatre completely blown away like I did for the first movie.

It was annoying that most of the people in the house died from the poison gas. It would have been MUCH more entertaining if the poison gas didn't have any side effects (except for the obvious death after a couple of hours) and the people in the house all died from traps.

The ending was good but I don't see that girl being a very good Jigsaw.

Also... I hope they leave it like it is, there really is no need to make a Saw III.

[KcMsterpce]

WARNING ABOVE POST (War Movie Mania) HAS SPOILERS!!!

Hey, man, be careful about not posting spoiler warnings when talking about a movie. :p

I wish there wouldn't be a third one, but there will be. Probably next year, too, and it'll be worse than the second one.

[silentasylum]

I think it's worth watching if yuo like horror movies. Anyone else would probably find this kind of sickening.

6.5/10

[War Movie Mania]

Originally posted by KcMsterpce
Hey, man, be careful about not posting spoiler warnings when talking about a movie. :p
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Oops! My bad, it won't happen again.

[bigred760]

My review of Saw II (also posted this review at Arrow in the Head)

I'm not, by far, the biggest fan of horror movies, but I thought the first Saw was original, scary, thought provoking, and a great suspense thriller. Its sequel is no different.

Saw II basically follows the same premise as its predecessor where a serial killer is tormenting/killing people in some pretty sick fashion.

The movie didn't have me jumping out of my seat, but it did make me squirm and gasp at some of the shocking visuals. It's a lot like the first in that sense.

I did like the fact that this wasn't a remake of the original; instead it brought in a new story and a new way for our serial killer to torment his victims. He puts his "hostages" in a house and poisons them with a gas; he places antidotes throughout the house - booby-trapped of course and these victims have to figure out how to get them and get out without being killed. Good times.

I prefer this type of horror movie other than the supernatural ones where the killer always comes back from the dead. This is an original story, it has a good cast - lot of recognizable faces, it delivers a lot of shocking moments and like the first Saw, it has a pretty good twist at the end that should really come to no suprise to fans of the franchise.

(I also caught Arrow in the Head's cameo in the flick; I knew he had one, but had forgotten about it til I saw him pop up onscreen - great job!)


7/10

[Backstabba]

Just watched Saw II and I loved it.

The traps were pretty inventive, it was fun, I even squirmed alittle. The ending was spoiled for me (by a friend) but when I saw it I was still going "....No....fucking....way" (thats a compliment)...Very entertaining, better acting, and the last 30 minutes were as relentless as the first..

9/10

[CyclicNightmare]

Has anyone stayed through the credits? I heard a rumor that there was something after. Or maybe it was just before they started to roll. Confirm or deny?

[Raul Duke]

seriously, if you're reading this thread on page 5 and havent seen it yet, dont bother. The "Spoiler Tags" do nothing

[JohnTheHenchman]

Fuck.

Great movie.

Seriously, like the horror genre does kinda suck with all the remakes and what not, but I thnak god for the Saw films. I eagerly await another, but hope to see Tobin Bell in it. The guy is amazing.

Wahlberg's performance was good.

Lol, his son was in a safe place, get it? lol

[CyclicNightmare]

$17.2 million this weekend! That's only a 45% drop!!!

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Only? It's a measely 5% away from dropping as much as every other genre film. "Only" would be about 30% or higher.
I mean I love being a fanboy for the movie's I love too, but sooner or later you gotta look at it reallistaclly... Otherwise, Madsen'll point at the realism of the situation, like when we arguing over Serenity :p

[Lazy Boy]

It dropped 45 percent...compared to the astonishing 15 percent drop for Prime (and Flighplan, which had a 14 percent drop).

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by CyclicNightmare
$17.2 million this weekend! That's only a 45% drop!!!

Only my ass. That is not impressive at all. Pretty standard for the genre. Try seeing beyond your own love of the movie please.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Only my ass. That is not impressive at all. Pretty standard for the genre. Try seeing beyond your own love of the movie please.
What'd I tell ya? Madsen keeps it real. Nice takedown, dog. ;)

[someguy]

50-60 percent is a standard drop so I don't see how it's great Cyclic.

also, holy crap at Chicken Little

[CyclicNightmare]

R-Rated
Horror
NEGATIVE/ Mixed reviews
SEQUEL

Excuse me if I was expecting a drop around 60%, like PG-13 disappointment The RIng 2 (-61%), or the R-Rated Scream 2 (-57%). Also, this hold is surprisingly close to that of the original, -41%. Quite something when you compare it to the effect sequel frontloading had on Final Destination 2, which dropped (similar to Saw II) 47% in its second weekend, as opposed to the 27% drop of Final Destination.

So no, I don't think I am letting personal bias get in the way of logic.


EDIT: Scream 2 also received far better reviews than Saw II. Over 80% fresh at RottenTomatoes while Saw II is just below 40%.

[MadsenOMC]

It is not a good drop, so yes, you are letting personal bias interfere. What you were expecting doesn't really matter. It's an OK drop at best. Just because many horror movies drop 50% their second weekend doesn't mean that a 45% drop is good.

[CyclicNightmare]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
It is not a good drop, so yes, you are letting personal bias interfere. What you were expecting doesn't really matter. It's an OK drop at best. Just because many horror movies drop 50% their second weekend doesn't mean that a 45% drop is good.
Whoa whoa whoa. I just reread my posts and nowhere do I say I believe this is a "good drop." I just posted my opinion and to me, when I am expecting a greater than 50, close to 60% drop, and it drops "only" 45, I got excited. (Hence the large font and exclamation point.) But I never said I considered it a "good drop." Hope this clears things up.

[MadsenOMC]

Consider it cleared. :)

[Mentiroso]

Now lets not all foget, if Madsen considers a movie to be bad, he will argue to the death every possible comment on why the movie was good.


I for one loved it when I saw it last week. One of the better horror movies to be released in a while if you ask me.

SPOILER

The scene with the needles had me sick because I have a major disliking of needles.


End Spoilers


Shawnee Smith is HOT. Did not even realize she was the chick from Summer School! Preggo Hotness!


Anyway, I did expect the major end twist when the movie started but by then end I thought I was wrong, but then I was wrong in thinking I was wrong!

Saw - 9/10
Saw 2 - 8/10

Now those ratings are from my own system of rating movies. I do not rate horror like I do drama or comedy. I rated this movie on my horror movie scale. So no bitching on why I rated this an 8/10.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Now lets not all foget, if Madsen considers a movie to be bad, he will argue to the death every possible comment on why the movie was good.




This certainly isn't true and is a huge exaggeration (to say the least), but even if it was true, so what? I am continually amazed that certain people get so upset when I passionately argue my case. I can't speak for everyone, but that's why I'm here, to talk movies, ones I like and don't like.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Now lets not all foget, if Madsen considers a movie to be bad, he will argue to the death every possible comment on why the movie was good.
Why was that unnecesarry rubish thrown out? I mean, come on, I used to grind gears against him, but then I realized that he's really just trying to keep people from seeing, in his eyes, a really bad movie. Honestly, did you encourage people to go see any movies that you disliked, regardless of how other people liked them?

[Mentiroso]

For the same reason that he argues every point to the death. That is why it was thrown out.

Several people on this board have a problem accepting that just because they think a movie was awful, others do not. So they will argue non-stop trying to prove their point. What theyfail to see is that the point they are trying to get across is just WRONG if the other person liked the movie.

What is the point of that. Say what you have to say in one post (maybe two) and let it go. Plain and simple. We do not need several pages of 3 or 4 people going over the same few points and why they were good/bad for the movie.

Maybe we do if the movie was something more that what Saw 2 was. I mean a great movie but not much to really talk about, like most other horror movies. Maybe if this was something like Pulp Fiction, then fine argue away because there is quite a bit in that movie to discuss. Saw 2 on the other hand lacks depth. It is eye candy. Why argue over that?

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
This certainly isn't true and is a huge exaggeration (to say the least), but even if it was true, so what? I am continually amazed that certain people get so upset when I passionately argue my case. I can't speak for everyone, but that's why I'm here, to talk movies, ones I like and don't like.


And for the record, I am not upset. I do not see where you would get that from. I was not typing in all caps. I am just a smart ass. Always have been and always will be. You of all people should know this. You of all people should also not assume anything typed has any emotion unless implied by the author.

[MadsenOMC]

I am not arguing against Saw II any more than others are arguing for it. Simple as that.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I am not arguing against Saw II any more than others are arguing for it. Simple as that.

I see that. I was just picking on you is all. I do that about once every couple of months if you have not noticed already. Yes, this was a good movie BUT some people are making too much out of it.

But out of curiousity (because I do not have time to search the threads), is there a horror movie you do like Madsen? I ask because usually most posts that you do are criticizing the movie rather that praising it. I have seen a few that you have rated good but never a horror movie.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
For the same reason that he argues every point to the death. That is why it was thrown out.

Several people on this board have a problem accepting that just because they think a movie was awful, others do not. So they will argue non-stop trying to prove their point. What theyfail to see is that the point they are trying to get across is just WRONG if the other person liked the movie.

What is the point of that. Say what you have to say in one post (maybe two) and let it go. Plain and simple. We do not need several pages of 3 or 4 people going over the same few points and why they were good/bad for the movie.

Maybe we do if the movie was something more that what Saw 2 was. I mean a great movie but not much to really talk about, like most other horror movies. Maybe if this was something like Pulp Fiction, then fine argue away because there is quite a bit in that movie to discuss. Saw 2 on the other hand lacks depth. It is eye candy. Why argue over that?
I see what you're saying, but most times, it's not Madsen, it's that he posts his scathing review and if nobody argues with him, he goes on. The problem with it is, is that nobody ever just "goes on" they always have to poke and prod arguing why the movie is good. And when someone attacks my opinion, more often than not, I defend it. Read this thread, or the Doom thread (the only ones I can think of). He doesn't start any fights, people just get uppity because he didn't enjoy the movie like everyone else, so they refuse to let him win.

[MadsenOMC]

That is a very accurate assessment Tyler, and I appreciate it.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
I see that. I was just picking on you is all. I do that about once every couple of months if you have not noticed already. Yes, this was a good movie BUT some people are making too much out of it.

But out of curiousity (because I do not have time to search the threads), is there a horror movie you do like Madsen? I ask because usually most posts that you do are criticizing the movie rather that praising it. I have seen a few that you have rated good but never a horror movie.

Yes, there are plenty of horror movies that I like. As I said in this thread, I love the genre.

[Mentiroso]

But which ones? What do you define as a good horror movie?

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
That is a very accurate assessment Tyler, and I appreciate it.
No problem, man. And you know if an asshole as opinionated as me can bow down and defend someone else's opinion, there's hope for the world. But I'm stilling trying to keep the hate from the Serenity thread down :p Fun times, fun times...

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
But which ones? What do you define as a good horror movie?

I'd be happy to send you a PM, if you like. You can also refer to my rant about horror movies in the rant section. I don't want anyone to get upset with me for going too far off topic here.

[KcMsterpce]

I love horror movies, but I thought SAW II (www.kcmsterpce.com/reviews/saw2.html) sucked ass.

While we're at it, I also hated The Devil's Rejects (http://www.kcmsterpce.com/reviews/devilsrejects.html) , The Fog (http://www.kcmsterpce.com/reviews/fog2005.html), Dark Water (http://www.kcmsterpce.com/reviews/darkwater.html) and Doom (http://www.kcmsterpce.com/reviews/doom.html) this year.

There were decent to good horror films this year, such as Land of the Dead (http://www.kcmsterpce.com/reviews/landofdead.html) , Haute Tension (http://www.kcmsterpce.com/reviews/hautetension.html), Skeleton Key (http://www.kcmsterpce.com/reviews/skeletonkey.html), A Tale of Two Sisters (http://www.kcmsterpce.com/reviews/tale2sisters.html), The Exorcism of Emily Rose (http://www.kcmsterpce.com/reviews/emilyrose.html), The Amityville Horror (http://www.kcmsterpce.com/reviews/amityville.html) (which wasn't that great, but better than the original), as well as a handful of others. While they aren't all scary, nor even that GOOD, I still think they provided more for me than SAW II.


Please, people, say I'm an asshole and just wanting to flame you. I don't want Madsen to be all alone! :D

I thought these forums were good at accepting peoples' opinions, even if they're not YOUR opinion.

[bigred760]

I don't know why you guys are arguing whether the 40+% drop in its second weekend is good, bad, ugly, whatever. The movie has made $60 million on a $4 million dollar budget. Granted, it's no My Big Fat Greek Wedding, but still a nice chunk a change considering its budget. It's no freakin' wonder they're making a third.

[Lazy Boy]

Originally posted by bigred760
Granted, it's no My Big Fat Greek Wedding

Thank God.

Bring on Saw Three!

[slasherfan]

Originally posted by bigred760
I don't know why you guys are arguing whether the 40+% drop in its second weekend is good, bad, ugly, whatever. The movie has made $60 million on a $4 million dollar budget. Granted, it's no My Big Fat Greek Wedding, but still a nice chunk a change considering its budget. It's no freakin' wonder they're making a third.

It's probably the most successful horror movie of 2005. Hell, it could become the highest grossing horror movie of 2005.

[slasherfan]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
It ain't catching up to Revenge of the Sith.

If it does, I will eat my arms.

I said HORROR movie.

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by slasherfan
It's probably the most successful horror movie of 2005. Hell, it could become the highest grossing horror movie of 2005.

It ain't catching up to Revenge of the Sith.

If it does, I will eat my arms.

[MadsenOMC]

Is this old news? If so, I apologize. Boxofficemojo has Saw III scheduled for release on October 27, 2006.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by slasherfan
Hell, it could become the highest grossing horror movie of 2005.

I think it will, easily. Ring 2 grossed about $76 million domestically, while The Exorcism of Emily Rose made about $75 million. Saw II is at $62 million right now. I'm sure it will pass both of those by the end of its theatrical run.

[CyclicNightmare]

Here is a quote from Darren himself found on the House of Jigsaw forums.

Hey all, so sorry I have not been around as much as I would like to be... It's been CRAZY with the release of the movie. I am hoping things settle down this weekend so I can begin to answer some of your great questions.

I may also try to do a LIVE Chat with you all if we can somehow arrange that!!!

In the meantime - SAW II is going into it's THIRD WEEK of release... Hopefully people will and have seen the movie more than once, as I am sure you know the more you see it, the more CLUES you should be able to pick up. Believe me when I tell you, there are a TON of clues in JIGSAWS LAIR that I am wondering if anyone picked up on...

I hope you are all well, and will speak to you all soon!

All my best,
dlb


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I need to see this again NOW. Anyone pick up on any?

[MadsenOMC]

Shameless ploy to sell more tickets.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Clue as in clueless? And the more I think about it the more I hate the "twist ending" it seems like they ruined the franchise just to get a suprise ending. Who gives a fuck if there's a suprise ending? Lots of genre movies don't exactly have a suprising ending but they can end really well...

[CyclicNightmare]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Shameless ploy to sell more tickets.
It was posted on the House of Jigsaw Forums. I think he has a little more respect for the Saw fanboys. He's probably being honest.

[poopontheshoes7]

FINALLY saw it!

Since it was ruined for me by all my asshole friends I wasnt shocked cuz I knew what was going to happen.
But that didnt stop me from thinking it was a kickass movie. Like the first, it had balls and used them. There were a couple of suprises that I had forgot I was told. And some of the traps got me to flinch a little. The needles! God the needles!

I also totally forgot that Arrow was in it. When I saw him I was Like HOLY SHIT! Thats Arrow!

8/10. Damn good sequel. Bring on Saw III.

[The Engraved]

8/10

Took me awhile to see this movie, but I finally got my chance and I was happy I did. First off, I am one of those people who loved the first one (gave it a ten, despite its flaws) and did not want a sequel, but since they were going to make one, I grudgingly had to accept it and decided to give the film a chance. Though I still would have preferred no sequel, I liked this movie and will buy it when it comes out on dvd and will watch other parts (just like Halloween, where for my money the first was the best, but I still enjoyed watching the other parts, not counting the last one which I refuse to watch ever again). As for Saw II, the parts I did not care for were the beginning, with all hyper speed/ quick camera work and the car scene near the end (hated the car scene in part one also). Favorite scenes were: the one near the end with the muscle guy and the knife, the trapped hands scene and the scene with all the needles.The acting and music were alsol good. It's funny but as soon as I saw the trailer, i pretty much figured out what would happen in the movie and it came out just as I had thought (which lessens the impact of the film but does not diminish its quality). Overall, a satisfying movie.

8/10
My sister also like the movie, but thinks part one is still clearly the best. She also likes how everything wraps up (becomes connected) to the first movie (i also thought that was good).
8/10

[JohnnyMo]

I just got around to watching Saw II and all i can say is, wow. As in wow i was totally dissapointed in this film. I walked into the theater anxious and excited to sit through 2 more hours of chilling, synical chlosterphobic hell. I was prepard to ride the edge of my seat but I was totally let down. It kind of set me up because the movie started off with the same type of mood that the original left off. A poor victim finding themselved forced to make a decision, either choice a gruesome one. Though after that opening scene the whole thing really went downhill for me. The storyline was complete ass compared to the first one. I understand it focused on the detective but the film did nothing to make me feel for him or his son. We didn't get to know any of the characters or understand any of the fears that they have been thrown into. Thats what was so great about the first one. They kept it simple, 2 men, 1 room and a handful of riddles and games. By making it a larger group of people the time isn't put into each individual. Yes its all find and dandy that they were all connected, how cute. Who cares. Where were the mind games? The riddles? The choices? The whole fucking point of what Johnn Kramer (Jigsaw) was doing? Its just a big house with people running around either scared or trying to off each other. There was no control over them besides the fact they couldnt leave. It would seem that Jigsaw had lost a step, at least thats how it was written, aside from the opening sequence. Also the film didnt have the right look, the mood, the feel as the first. Not as gritty and grimey and just plain dank oozing from the screen. Also I could have done without the girl taking over the spot of Jigsaw. I liked the fact she was back again, but not for that reason. Actually as I'm writing this all my beefs go towards the writing of this film. Poorly done. I am hoping that Saw III is taken back to its roots. Only time will tell.

Rating 5/10

[Lemmywinks]

Originally posted by CyclicNightmare
It was posted on the House of Jigsaw Forums. I think he has a little more respect for the Saw fanboys. He's probably being honest.

There are a lot of cool drawings for more traps and devices in John's warehouse. Mostly in the room with all the tvs. I didnt see a lot, but some of the sketches and devices were cool.

[Pigpen]

I really enjoyed SAW, but this movie did nothing for me.

3/10

[kafaak]

I really like SAW. However, SAW II is some how below my expectation.