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MadsenOMC
10-22-2005, 04:11 PM
SPOILERS!!!!

I haven’t seen The Mask of Zorro since it came out seven years ago, but I remember enjoying it. Not something I’d ever want to own or see again, but passable entertainment that kept me engaged while I was in the theater.

That said, who in the hell was hoping for a sequel? When the end credits rolled, were a lot of people thinking, “Wow, that was great, but they really left a lot of loose ends, and I hope that seven years from now, they tie it all together.”

I highly doubt it, and I don’t sense a whole lot of interest in another Zorro movie. Nor should there be, because The Legend of Zorro is pretty bad. It is nothing more than a lazy, uninspired sequel.

The action takes place in 1850. California is hoping to become a state and join the union, ensuring the freedom of its residents and their status as Americans.

People are casting their votes at the polls, but not everyone wants California to join the union. McGivens (Nick Chinlund), a Bible quoting bigot who repeatedly states that he is “doing the Lord’s work,” attempts to steal the ballots.

Zorro (Antonio Banderas) ain’t having it. He swoops in, his trademark entrance, does battle with McGivens and his men, and saves the day. The people cheer and California is one step closer to becoming a state (which will happen officially in three months time).

Despite his heroic deeds, not all is well for Zorro (officially, Don Alejandro de la Vega). His lady, Elena (Catherine Zeta-Jones) is not pleased with him. Zorro promised he would quit after this one last job, but he wants to continue working for another three months to ensure that nothing impedes with California’s impending statehood.

Elena has had enough. He has broken his promise to her, and to make matters worse, he’s been an absentee father to Joaquin (Adrian Alonso), their young son. “You don’t know he who is, and worse, he doesn’t know who you are,” she whines.

So she boots him out, and Zorro finds himself crashing in a hotel, boozing it up every night. Three months later, he is at a party thrown by the new rich guy in town, Armand (Rufus Sewell). And guess who Armand’s guest of honor is? If I have to tell you, this is your first movie.

From the first second he’s on screen, we know Armand is going to be the bad guy. That’s hardly a spoiler. The movie makes no attempt to disguise it. Of course, it is up to Zorro to figure out what exactly this Armand character is up to, and win back the love of his estranged wife at the same time. He might also learn to be a better father. So many lessons to be learned.

The Mask of Zorro had broad appeal. It succeeded in winning over men and women of all ages. The Legend of Zorro, however, has taken a different approach. It is aimed squarely at younger viewers. There is nothing inherently wrong with aspiring to be good family entertainment, but Legend is full of problems that are a direct result of the change in target audience.

For starters, saying that the kid is annoying is the understatement of the century. He’s an insufferable brat who somehow knows how to fight despite being about 10 years old and having no idea who his father is (so he didn’t learn from daddy). He gets a number of his own action sequences, each one full of excessive slapstick violence and bumbling bad guys.

The humor is strictly lowbrow this time around. We’re treated to a horse that gets drunk, belches and smokes a pipe. I kept waiting for it to talk, which seemed like a possibility, but it never does. It’s always doing something wacky, though, and is a constant reminder of who the movie is trying to appeal to.

The plot is strictly by the numbers. A monkey could have written this. There’s plenty of melodrama and “messages” thrown in, about the importance of family and why it’s not nice to hate people of other races.

The sword fighting becomes redundant early on. There’s nothing we haven’t seen before, and the fact that they’re bloodless and full of slapstick violence makes them incredibly silly and quite stupid. People constantly fall down and run into boards and other objects, and Zorro disposes of bad guys with a quick punch or knock of the sword, which almost always puts them down for the count.

Last but not least, there’s the running time. The Legend of Zorro is 130 minutes long, which is completely ridiculous and at least 20 minutes longer than it has any right to be. Adults will be bored silly long before it’s over, and kids are going to have a real hard time sitting still for that long.

The Legend of Zorro really doesn’t have much going for it. I’m having a hard time coming up with things I actually liked about it. It’s innocuous and might make for an OK matinee, but it’s an entirely unnecessary movie that pales in comparison to its predecessor.

4/10

NightStalkerGtx
10-22-2005, 04:45 PM
good review, ill be skiping this i didnt like the first one a lot anyways (6/10) and this one looks horrible and its going to flop due to the fact that next week is halloween and a majority of the people going to the movies will see SAW II.

By the way its production budget is 80 million (boxofficemojo)

Servo
10-22-2005, 05:16 PM
Does anyone else remember when way back in the day the filmmakers and cast were boasting about how "edgy" and "gritty" Legend of Zorro was supposed to be and they were even anticipating an R rating? What the fuck happened?

NightStalkerGtx
10-22-2005, 07:03 PM
The answer got lost in the matrix

Fisting Ackbar
10-22-2005, 11:36 PM
I never saw THE MASK OF ZORRO, so have no real opinion about this sequel. I know my theater will be playing it which makes it tempting to check it out (considering it's only a 5 minute walk), but PG rated slapstick violence doesn't sound good, that's for sure.

slasherfan
10-23-2005, 07:24 AM
I never saw the first one.
One thing I've seen wondering, the posters in the UK for this movie says "OPENS OCTOBER 24TH"
Is that a misprint?

NightStalkerGtx
10-26-2005, 07:08 PM
who cares be smart see SAW II instead!

ANTBond007
10-27-2005, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Servo
Does anyone else remember when way back in the day the filmmakers and cast were boasting about how "edgy" and "gritty" Legend of Zorro was supposed to be and they were even anticipating an R rating? What the fuck happened?

Are you getting confused with Robert Rodriguez's original R-rated Zorro pitch?

RustyRazor
10-29-2005, 11:16 AM
Going to see it tomorrow.
Loved the Mask of Zorro.
Can't wait to see the sequel!

CyclicNightmare
10-30-2005, 02:02 AM
Weatherman and Saw II got sticky-ed. But not this or Prime? LOL

Prime doesn't even have a thread. HA.

Cronos
10-30-2005, 03:21 AM
saw Mask of Zorro at the cinema, this really doesnt interest me at all

im gonna go see Saw 2 instead

ilovemovies
10-30-2005, 10:18 PM
Because of the PG rating I was really afraid they made this too kiddieish, but despite a couple of silly moments involving Zorro's horse and the antics of his kid, tonally it's no different than the first one. The first one was slightly better, mainly because of the presence of Anthony Hopkins, but this is still one fun, exciting, rollicking adventure. The chemistry between Banderas and Zeta-Jones remains intact. I think they are really great together. And the action sequences were great. I would have appreciated more longer sword fights (the ones in the movie are decent, but they are over a little too quickly) . Also the movie is a little overlong, still I was never bored.

So despite the PG rating this movie felt pretty much the same as the first one to me.

RustyRazor
10-31-2005, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by ilovemovies
Because of the PG rating I was really afraid they made this too kiddieish, but despite a couple of silly moments involving Zorro's horse and the antics of his kid, tonally it's no different than the first one. The first one was slightly better, mainly because of the presence of Anthony Hopkins, but this is still one fun, exciting, rollicking adventure. The chemistry between Banderas and Zeta-Jones remains intact. I think they are really great together. And the action sequences were great. I would have appreciated more longer sword fights (the ones in the movie are decent, but they are over a little too quickly) . Also the movie is a little overlong, still I was never bored.

So despite the PG rating this movie felt pretty much the same as the first one to me.


I was going to go on and on, but that pretty much is my feelings in a nutshell. All in all, two thumbs up and good sequel kudos all around.:)

KcMsterpce
11-03-2005, 07:17 AM
I thought it was not too shabby, except for that fucktard shitsplat of a kid, who basically shat all over every single scene he was in. I wish he died a slow, and long death. In fact, there should be a whole movie about him dying.

Otherwise, it's some decent brainless entertainment. I give it a 5/10 (www.kcmsterpce.com/reviews/zorro2.html).

BorderEevilIII
11-05-2005, 02:32 AM
Went to see this today....

** BRIEF SPOILERS MENTIONED**


The sequel is not bad nor great. The begining of the movie takes a wee bit to get itself goin. The Western 007 like action sequences was ummmmm amusing but where was that formula the first one brought us? Banderas & Zeta-Jones don't see eye to eye at first but they manage to spark something w/ each other 3/4's into the movie. The kid was amusing but yet annoying at the same time. I could not get over that was Rufus Sewell... But those 2 guys that sorta broke up Banderas & Zeta-Jones made me wonder.......
WHO DA FUK ARE THEY AND WHY IS THE MOVIE TAKIN SO DAMN LONG TO EXPLAIN WHO DEY ARE?!?!?

Well overall its a 7/10

Lets pray there is no PART 3 on the drawing board

Badbird
11-07-2005, 12:09 AM
Okay, Spoilers










Would someone please kindly explain to me how the fuck this is rated PG? A guy gets his head blown up by nitro glycerin - this was after he got his teeth kicked out. Another guy gets impaled by a train before getting blown to kingdom come. A priest is shot right in the chest on screen. Several other guys get blown to smithereens by more nitro. And everyone is getting drunk it seems (alcohol tends to be a red flag with the MPAA, not so much here).

Hell, Catherine Zeta-Jones' heaving breasts alone almost deserve a PG-13.

That being said, this is almost identical in tone to the first Zorro. There's a little slapstick, but not enough to ruin it. Really, there was no more slapstick than, say, a Mummy movie. The first Zorro had elements of this too. I think simply because Anthony Hopkins was in it, he gave the movie a certain dramatic weight. Otherwise they aren't that different.

Martin Campbell continues his trend from Vertical Limit by blowing the fuck out of everything. The train explosion was pretty kick ass.

As far as the story goes - it wasn't dumbed down for kids. That seems to be the impression everyone is getting, but I think this plot was a little too complex to be passed of as a kid flick. There were large dramatic themes and elements addressed here - not something you will find in most kid flicks. Also, Banderas and Zeta-Jones smother the screen with so much sensuality when they are together that the movie practically has sex with you.

I liked how the story was more complicated than it needed to be. I liked the fact that it was long. In this day and age of cookie cutter plots, 100 minute running times, and bare bones characters, Zorro pretty much threw out all the conventions of "New Hollywood" and was just an old fashioned, rousing action/adventure movie with huge action sequences and well rounded lead characters.

The kid didn't really bother me at all. They really harp on him a lot in the trailers, but I really wasn't troubled by him at all. But his presence and importance to the story did remind me a hell of a lot of The Mummy Returns. The only problem I had was when the train was heading towards the crowd and they freaked out and panicked... hello? It's a TRAIN! It's not that hard to get out of its way.

Why oh why does something like Fantastic Four make $150 million while Zorro gets flat out ignored?

This is in my top five for the year.