Alien 5

[syxxpac]

Okay, now this is merely a sketch, a fragmented idea if you will, so bear with me here. I've been mulling over it for a while now in the back of my mind, never really paying it much heed as I have other projects to work on, and though I probably won't write it, I think it's somewhat neat and could work, giving the series a fresh start.

The movie picks up about 10-20 years after Alien 3, so right off the bat - we're starting completely fresh by dropping Ripley. I don't give a shit WHAT Alien: Resurrection says - Ripley's story is done. FINITE. End game. Anyway, the Company has just lost their golden opportunity to snatch an Alien, BUT, they're still sending out salvage crews, etc. with androids as Science Officers, a la Alien. The story starts when, on a mining colony in deep space, an escape shuttle crash lands a distance from the nearest outpost, and much like the previous films, a crew goes to investigate, and finds two survivors in stasis. They bring 'em back to the colony, and eventually, one of the survivors wakes and tells of what he and his teammates found in deep space. In a nutshell, it's the Aliens' home planet. And he tells of their narrow escape, and yada yada yada. The guy is obviously not well, and hopefully the audience thinks he's implanted with an embryo. Good. Keep that in mind. Life goes on in the colony, though our heroes (a crew of miners who have formed a tight-knit community here) doubt the validity of this guy, and think he's missing a few cans from his six pack. Eventually, the OTHER guy wakes up, and he's chipper as can be, though still obviously haunted by what he went through, and he confirms what the first survivor said.

The miners relay their find to Company HQ, and of course the Company KNOWS that the Aliens are there, somehow, so they gear up with a team of Marines and head off to collect their treasure, in the meantime reassuring the miners that all is well, and blah blah blah. Some miners search through the jettisoned shuttle and lo and behold - they find some stashed Alien eggs, which promptly open, and facehuggers clamp onto all but one or two of the miners, who are put into "freezerinos", unwittingly saving themselves grief that the Nostromo crew didn't all those years ago. For now, things seem okay, as the Aliens are contained. THEN...

The second survivor, who was peachy for so long, suddenly starts convulsing in the midst of some mundane activity, and out pops an Alien, yippee kiyay. The first major thing goes wrong, and it's all downhill from here. The Alien escapes and proceeds into the innards of the mine caverns, and much like the original Alien, the miners are on the lookout for this thing as they attempt to hunt and kill it.

Later on, one of the miners goes to check on the frozen facehugger victims and finds them missing, the facehuggers lying dead on the floor. SOMEONE let them out, and by this point, you can probably guess who. Our hero(s) confront the first survivor and he starts telling them even more about where they had come from, and it's apparent that he knew all along what the Aliens were.

Anyway, I'm not sure what'd happen later, but needless to say, the first survivor is in fact an android programmed with the same mission as Ash in Alien, and basically used the same plan that Burke intended on using in Aliens. And, of course, those other Aliens hatch and we've got a developing Hive on our hands, replete with a team of Marines on their way to contain the place so the Science Team can apprehend some specimens.

Thoughts? Opinions? Even more ideas?

[mindkiss69]

Pretty cool idea. It has alot of suspense, twist and it offers a plot that's sure to keep the audience guessing. Are you a film student or film-maker?

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by mindkiss69
Pretty cool idea. It has alot of suspense, twist and it offers a plot that's sure to keep the audience guessing. Are you a film student or film-maker?

Hope to be a filmmaker, but ya know the story when it comes to new guys like me trying to get in - a lot of people are willing to help, but even more assholes are trying to step on your toes ;)

Haven't met any of the latter, and hope I don't, but that's just the nature of a competitive biz, I suppose.

[HorrorIsMyGod]

well, in my opinion, "pretending" that the fourth film never happened in turn completely destroys the franchise. so, right off the bat.....no thanks.

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by HorrorIsMyGod
well, in my opinion, "pretending" that the fourth film never happened in turn completely destroys the franchise. so, right off the bat.....no thanks.

I'm not pretending anything. It takes place 10 or 20 years after Alien 3. Resurrection takes place 200 years after 3.

The math tends to do itself. So, in essence-

*record scratch*

Wait a second... are you the same one who got excited over Paul Anderson being tapped to do Alien 5?

[JayWolf]

Syxxpac does have a point.

[The Young Son]

A fairly good idea. I'd go one step better and have the first survivor being slowly taken over by an alien intelligence. They have somehow evolved to a point where instead of using humans to incubate the eggs, they are able to take complete control of their body. If there was going to be an Alien 5 , I think it would be a good idea to add a new element into the equation, just to make it a little more interesting instead of seeing the same stuff over and over.

[wheresdonnie?]

Nice idea, man. I like the idea of a company attempting to capture an alien for research (although they bollocksed that up in Alien Resurrection). Basically if an Alien movie is trying to be a horror movie rather than an action movie, then that's great. Cameron already hit the peak with Aliens, so anyone attempting to copy him (Anderson, you bastard) will inevitably fail. I respect anyone trying to go back to the first movie, like the director's cut of Alien 3.

[Sha'kingman]

Well how about calling it "Alien 3.5"

[Digifruitella]

Originally posted by syxxpac
and think he's missing a few cans from his six pack.

only a termie fan could spot that one.

syxxpac check your mail, if you want your idea to be seen by JC himself.

[syxxpac]

After replying to Digi's email (very interesting, to say the least), I just got another idea to add on to this overall idea. An idea for the idea. Yyyyyyeah.

The android... IS incubating an Alien after all, and it's the Queen, and she bursts out near the end of the movie. The hive starts to be built around her as she matures rapidly (at about the same time those Company soldiers arrive to raid the place).

I dunno, ideas just come to me out of the blue sometimes :p

[Digifruitella]

hopefully JC digs those ideas and hooks you up. :p

[syxxpac]

I'm going to remain skeptical on all that, Digi. Seems a little TOO easy, and besides - I'm sure someone's had this idea at some point already for this flick, and the fact that I didn't include Sigourney... well, I remember him saying that he wanted to do another one only if she were involved.

There are a lot of variables to this equation, so forgive me if I'm wary.

[Digifruitella]

Originally posted by syxxpac
I'm going to remain skeptical on all that, Digi. Seems a little TOO easy

haven't you seen the addresses? why the skepticism?

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by Digifruitella
haven't you seen the addresses? why the skepticism?

Well, given that this is actually a roughly constructed IDEA, and not a formally written treatment, my chances of it being taken seriously are lower.

Does any of the info on the page you found have specific instructions on what exactly they WON'T throw in the trash from someone they never heard of?

[Digifruitella]

Originally posted by syxxpac
Well, given that this is actually a roughly constructed IDEA, and not a formally written treatment, my chances of it being taken seriously are lower.

Does any of the info on the page you found have specific instructions on what exactly they WON'T throw in the trash from someone they never heard of?

if you make your idea some nice tuff S*#T then they definitely will consider that, but be greatful you got the contact address, hard to come by these days. the Page is legit, as it came from IMDb PRO

[syxxpac]

Oh, I'm grateful, don't get me wrong, but I've learned not to be optimistic till something's a definite Sure Thing, ya know?

[Digifruitella]

I agree, and I know brother ;)

!!

[syxxpac]

Good good :p

Well, I just got to thinking - what WOULD an Alien look like if it came out of an artificial person? Cameron himself teased it a bit at the end of Aliens with the Queen's reveal, but it's never been touched upon in the series.

Any ideas?

[blk_flower]

Well every alien film had something different that the previous film didn't have, aliens had the queen alien and the whole race of aliens, alien 3 ripply has one within her. Then of course ressurection didn't have much except the way the queen appeared. I have no clue man, I was clueless when I thought about alien 5, Jean-Pierre Jeunet sure had made an end for us. If you can out the suspence and horror of the first 2 films then you've made a succesful horror film. Whatever you feel is right man.

[This&chips]

That scene where the alien errupts from her belly will forever haunt me!!!

(a lil off subject): syxxpac, noting your favorite movie (and mine), why do you like the second one better?

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by This&chips
(a lil off subject): syxxpac, noting your favorite movie (and mine), why do you like the second one better?

Sorry for the late reply, but I just noticed this. The answer is that it was the first Terminator movie I ever saw, and therefore has a nostalgic quality to it that the first (which I saw years later) doesn't have for me.

Plus, Robert Patrick owns, not to put too fine a point on it.

[rodvcpetrie]

I really like your idea for Alien 5.

I wrote my own synopsis for a fifth entry to the series , the major difference being that Ripley was in the story. My take was that Ripley had nightmares, which were actually the events that took place in Alien 3 and Resurrection (HorrorIsMyGod would hate me for this :D). This meant that Hicks and Newt are still alive and those films were ignored.

Anyway, they're in stasis and they are finally getting closer to earth when they enter an asteroid field which forces them to crashland on the nearest planet, which just so happens to be the Alien homeworld.

At the crash site, Ripley, Newt and Hicks are the only survivors and they take shelter in some caves. A squad of Marines is stationed in these caves as they were called to the planet via a distress signal.

Three of the marines are missing as they were sent further into the cave to investigate. Shortly one of the marines returns with the second dead and the third with him. The third marine is infected with the Alien embryo. After the surviving marine recounts what happened, Ripley and Hicks know exactly what shit is going to hit the fan. After that I couldn't think of anything.

A major flaw in my story is the fact that Michael Biehn and Carrie Henn are older now and having them play those characters again wouldn't be realistic as you don't age in stasis, as can be seen in Aliens.

Also in comparison, your idea is more thought out and in my opinion is vastly superior. So I believe your idea is excellent.

Just out of curiosity, don't need to answer this in this thread, you can PM me; What would you like to see in a fourth Terminator film and do you like the idea of a TV Series?

[syxxpac]

Nice to see I'm not the only one with the creative juices flowing for this franchise. It's still got life left, people.

Incubating... growing... waiting to reveal itself to the world from deep within us...

Originally posted by rodvcpetrie
Just out of curiosity, don't need to answer this in this thread, you can PM me; What would you like to see in a fourth Terminator film and do you like the idea of a TV Series?

I shall answer it here, for the system will not hold ME down :D

In regards to a TV show... I wouldn't welcome one. And I'm assuming you're talking about that rumor about the Sarah/John drama that's apparently in the works, which I think is a terrible idea. It's unnecessary, IMO.

As for T4... there's only one way TO go - future war, baby! Saving Private Ryan... From Machines, basically.

[rodvcpetrie]

Yeah I'd like to see T4 set in the future as we've only seen teases of it and it would be great to have it entirely set there. The series doesn't really have me that excited to tell you the truth.

I say they should make a new video game based on the first and second film put in one package. Same goes for Aliens.

[jayrex]

I think it would be cool to add more aliens. But my idea would be to add an alien parasite that somehow got inside the miners and would slowly turn them into a altogether different type of alien, the facehuggers don't completly kill them as they sense that these miners are in fact alien, or to have the facehuggers kill the miners and to have the parasite have full control over the body.

I don't know what you think of that idea above but I always thought that the aliens had problems on their planet and parasites and other aliens they fought would show up apart from the traditional aliens we have come to see and know. These aliens are predators as such, and seem to have the skill to take down any alien no matter how large or small.

I know that this may complicate things, but I always thought that the sequels should have shown more alien types.

[pheadx]

hey guys, i'm new here. i have written a perfect treatment and screenplay for an alien 5 movie and i'm pretty serious about it. it is vastly superior to all the ideas i've read. i dig your concept, but it is nothing in the reality of a film, which is going to be made. i don't have a clue what to do with the screenplay. you can't send it to fox, i've send it to weaver's agent and to a few others. any ideas how i could push it?

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by pheadx
hey guys, i'm new here. i have written a perfect treatment and screenplay for an alien 5 movie and i'm pretty serious about it. it is vastly superior to all the ideas i've read. i dig your concept, but it is nothing in the reality of a film, which is going to be made. i don't have a clue what to do with the screenplay. you can't send it to fox, i've send it to weaver's agent and to a few others. any ideas how i could push it?

The only advice I have to give is to write an ORIGINAL script and concentrate on getting your own material out there first. No agent will touch a sequel to a series you don't have the rights to, unless you have your foot in the door.

However, a good reputation isn't exactly necessary. After all, Paul Anderson got to make AVP...

[pheadx]

yeah. writing it was a great exercise, though. but i'll concentrate on my own stuff. maybe one day i'll be in the position, maybe not :-)
but it would be so fu**ing great. and if i hear weaver or someone else again saying, that they're just waiting for a great idea, i'm getting angry :cool:

[rodvcpetrie]

I'd have to agree about doing your own stuff first. Afterall I think its a good idea to have a backup of scripts just so you have a library of scripts. What I think you'll find in doing this is that whatever you did wrong in a previous script will be easy to spot because of what you've learned in your latest.

[pheadx]

http://alienv.blogspot.com

[syxxpac]

That's an interesting idea, actually, but I don't know if I could be bothered. After all, I'm still struggling to get my ORIGINAL stuff out there, I can't focus on something that has even less a chance of getting made.

Besides, my story outline was something I had kicking around for fun ;)

Jix seems like the right man for THIS job. His story sounded a lot better than mine, and he actually has a script.

[pheadx]

what'd you mean?

[Jix]

I think having many people brainstorm a story - like in that blog - isn't a good idea. I'm not even keen on having more than one writer doing a script. You have to get under your characters' skin and understand the situations inside out. Only the original writer can properly do that.

As for original stuff in each Alien movie, I totally agree. That's why I had Ripley become a kind of queen in my script. But it can also work against you. Things like aliens growing inside androids can't be there for the mere shock value of it (I mean it can, but you should give it depth).

It might look like I went a bit overboard with the whole aliens "moving" from planet to planet in my script, but there's a reason for it. I was fed up of aliens always being at the mercy of accidents in order for them to spread, and it greatly raised the stakes at the end of the story. In the end, the characters weren't just fighting to save their life; they were fighting to stop a creature with a larger purpose in the galactic ecosystem: one that destroys and moves on, like the locust.

I can also tell you that a "story" isn't worth a sip to anybody of interest. I had an agent check out my full script and pass on it purely on the basis that it wasn't properly formatted. Screw the story, mind the formatting – that's their motto. It's properly formatted now, but an outline of ideas, even 350 pages long, won't be looked at by anybody.

Anyway, syxxpac, my script also started out as a story, though it was 350 pages long (almost a book). I have some producers checking it out now (no answers yet), but seeing you guys so interest in the concept is a breath of fresh air. Most agents I've come across have no clue about the franchise and the state it's in.

A lot of people are still not ready to give up on the concept. A lot of people hate the direction Alien has taken. I say write your scripts and make your voices heard.

[syxxpac]

Excellent points, and well made, Jix.

Originally posted by Jix
Things like aliens growing inside androids can't be there for the mere shock value of it (I mean it can, but you should give it depth).

I was thinking a lot about that idea a couple months ago, and someone pointed out to me that it didn't make any sense, seeing as how the Aliens can't survive in an artificial host comprised of fuel and various mechanized parts (we can assume), so it got me to thinking how I could change it to make the idea unique, yet keep the same general plot point of the Queen gestating in this guy (as it's a vital turning point in my script, if it were to be written).

And so, I came up with the idea, that sometime during and after Alien 3, the Company had finished creating half HUMAN androids, living bodies that are partly artificial (the brain) so they're under control of Company protocol like Ash ie. follow orders at all costs. The body itself is ALIVE, but the person isn't actually an individual anymore. More like a zombie or robot than a human being, pre-programmed to behave a certain way, to be a certain person, to be as human and convincing as possible.

I came up with this new android type when I saw Alien 3 again recently, and noticed a few neat little details in regards to Bishop II. The fact that he's CALLED Bishop II in the credits (which SOUNDS like an android), and that he actually bled RED as opposed to "milk" when Aaron hit him with the wrench, not to mention had half his flesh ripped off the side of his head (a mortal wound) and didn't seem all that bothered moments later... leaves whether he was another android or the actual Bishop creator up in the air.

I had a cool scene in mind to reveal this new technology, as well. The hero ends up shooting this fellow in the head after his villainy is exposed. The hero turns his/her back on the guy, thinking he's dead, and the android returns to life almost like Arnold does in T1, or a certain character at the end of Fright Night (not gonna spoil) and ends up murdering the hero/ine in cold blood.

[Jix]

I also thought it would have to be some sort of android, or replicant, like in Blade Runner. In Blade Runner, the androids are almost human, right down to the iris. They replicate organic parts in labs then assemble them like machines.

There's two ways you can go with an Android spawned Alien: a deformed mutant or perfectly designed creature.

Ok, so if Bishop in Alien 3 had blood and all, why did Call have white blood even though the movie takes place 200 years later? Did they go back to the old technology of Alien and Aliens?

[pheadx]

oh, you got it wrong. the screenplay is finished. 105 pages. we will VISUALISE it together.

[Jix]

No, I was referring to syxxpac when talking about needing a formatted script to get anybody's attention.

Unfortunately, the only way to get FOX to notice an Alien 5 screenplay is to generate enough buzz around it. They've been systematically destroying the franchise for years, and now it looks like they're set on making AVP the successor. I say make your screenplay public. Have people read it, comment on it and praise it if it's good. FOX will listen to the fans when they sense that ignoring a good Alien 5 screenplay will have a negative effect on AVP2...

[syxxpac]

Originally posted by Jix
Ok, so if Bishop in Alien 3 had blood and all, why did Call have white blood even though the movie takes place 200 years later? Did they go back to the old technology of Alien and Aliens?

Well, the quick and easy answer is that Resurrection sucks and shouldn't be trusted about ANYTHING :p

But to elaborate, I think I remember her saying something about her and the other droids having been discontinued and made into scrap, and she escaped... I'd have to watch it again, but I don't really want to.

[pheadx]

http://alienv.blogspot.com has some new updates. get involved!

[rodvcpetrie]

Originally posted by syxxpac

Well, the quick and easy answer is that Resurrection sucks and shouldn't be trusted about ANYTHING

I second that!! In my idea I ignored 3 and 4. Its in this thread if you don't recall.

I'm not sure on the validity of the script review that was posted for AVP2 on aintitcool news but if thats what they're going for then we're in a lot of trouble and we'll all be quoting Hudson by saying:

"We're in some real pretty shit now man!"

In case you didn't read that script review it had the Aliens and Predators fighting in a small town with rednecks and various others getting in the way. BIG NO NO!

[pheadx]

you can find a first official review and a bunch of new info on the bloghttp://alienv.blogspot.com