Possible Batman villains OTHER than the f'ing Joker... [Archive]

Danger^Cart

11-09-2005, 06:50 PM

Alright, Im sick of everyones casting pics for Joker, the men in hats will take care of that, and nolan looks like he knows what he's doing, so it will probably be fine. I would like to hear everyone else's pics for villains, and the actors to portray them. If you read Batman, then this will be super for you, if you dont, for christs sake just look the shit up your on the internet anyway you douche. Here are my humble pics for new, interesting villains in this awesome new franchise.

Ventriloquist: Gene Wilder (If he stays alive long enough)
If dont right, Scarface could make for a scary, psychological character. I also feel Gene Wilder would bring a believable level of crazy to it. The man may be a little old, but he truly is a FANTASTIC actor. I feel he would embrace this role.

Manbat: William Fichtner
C'mon...who wouldn't like to see Batman wrestle with a giant monster...I know, I know, neither would I. But as far as giant mutant bats go, manbat is pretty believable. I think he would transfer onto the screen very well, and with the CGI we have today it wouldnt look too hokey.

Killer Croc: Clive Owen (This is hard to cast)
Killer Croc...oh man, could he be cool. He's scary, anamalistic, vicious, extremely violent, and just fun to watch. Would also make for creative fight scenes.

Clayface: Open to discussion
A very dark villain, I think it would flow well with nolans universe. His origin could be tied in quite simply, using Sionis's pharmacutical company as the agent that screws up his skin/molecular structure. (Sionis is most likely going to be in the next film, why Black Mask isnt mentioned on here, because he rules)

Alright people, lets here em'.

outsyder

11-09-2005, 09:12 PM

Maybe they can borrow some guys from Marvel.

Other than the select good ones, the villain roster isn't very deep.

chinton

11-09-2005, 10:48 PM

Its interesting you bring up Clayface. While Im not sure how the look of Clayface would work with Nolans Batman I think the very tragic nature of his story would fit with the somber tone.

Do you guys remember the Clayface episode on the animated series where he is in the control room of the TV station and he starts morphing into all those people on the screen. That would be an amazing scene if done right

Danger^Cart

11-09-2005, 11:08 PM

Yes, another reason why clayface would be so cool, his shapeshifting capabilities. He could be anyone, at anytime, and that makes for some extra suspensful, extra nifty escape scenes. Out of all the rogues clayface is the one that I reeeeaaaaly would like to see.

And batman has a great rogue gallery. what they lack in superpowers they make up for in depth, which is more than i can say for half the marvel villains, who are just carbon copy's of one another, with a different catch phrase or gimmick. marvel are a bunch of sell out's, atleast the DC writers have kept their characters at reasonably high standards. This excludes Garth Ennis and his maniacle plot to alienate every punisher fan in the world....we try not to mention him when possible.

The Young Son

11-10-2005, 12:43 AM

I would love to see the Joker brought to life by Nolan.
:D :D :D :D

Danger^Cart

11-10-2005, 01:31 AM

Arnt you just a samuel silly pants!

now stfu and stay on topic:D

Badbird

11-10-2005, 02:14 AM

How about this guy:

http://www.hillcity-comics.com/graphic_novels/bat/batman_vs_predator.jpg

Danger^Cart

11-10-2005, 04:41 AM

......

I actually have that issue and enjoyed it very much. But no. Hell no.

Duke Nukem

11-10-2005, 09:29 PM

William H. Macy would be even better as the Ventriloquiste.

The Veronica Mars girl would be perfect as Harley Quinn.

I agree with that new news on by Joblo: Liev Schleiber (sp?) as Two-face.

therealjohng

11-10-2005, 10:11 PM

I love watching Liev Shrieber in anything. The guy rules. And I would love to see him as Two Face. But there's another actor I would rather see as Harvey Dent/Two Face:

TERRENCE DASHON HOWARD.

We all know that guy would rule. I'm gonna push for him. I know I'm just one person, but fuck, he would be best suited for the role.

Katsumoto

11-10-2005, 10:23 PM

CLIVE OWEN FOR TWO-FACE!!!!
http://webpages.charter.net/obliquity/clive.jpg

Danger^Cart

11-10-2005, 10:40 PM

TERRENCE DASHON HOWARD.

Harvey has never, EVER, been black, except for in Tim Burtons bullshit universe. Joker didn't kill Bruce's parents, and Harvey is NOT fucking black. And even if they were to make Harvey black, which nolan would never do because he respects the comics, Denzel would be perfect for it.

William H. Macy would be even better as the Ventriloquiste.

I didn't even think of this, excellent work, he would be perfect.

CLIVE OWEN FOR TWO-FACE!!!!

Hey! I already have clive for croc you duntz...:rolleyes:

Clive definetely looks the part, and is a very good actor, but I am yet to see him do anything without the accent. Two-Face does not have a british accent...and NEVER will. However, if he worked really hard with a speach therapist and got rid of the accent, I would like to see him as Two-Face MAYBE even more than Liev. But right now, as everything stands, Liev is the best actor for the gig, without question. The guy just rules.

Duke Nukem

11-10-2005, 11:04 PM

I don't know if these are the right words, but Clive Owen's face looks too rough for Two-face. I'm not saying he's ugly looking, he just doesn't look like Two-face. Liev looks more natural as him. However, Clive Owen looks just right for Killer Croc.

P.S. I bought all 3 volumes of Batman: The Animated Series recently and finished the second volume today. So, you can imagine how cool all this Batman villain casting is for me.

Danger^Cart

11-10-2005, 11:44 PM

Up until the new movie, that cartoon was the best onscreen adaptation of Batman, and I love it to death. Its without a doubt, followed closely by the first season of DBZ, my favorite cartoon ever. It just kicks so much ass.

RustyRazor

11-11-2005, 11:25 AM

Why don't they just toss Batman into Arkham and have him duke it out with several of Batman's rogues galley pics? And what if the crazed villains escape? Mad Hatter? A redone Riddler? A less fopish King Tut?
Characters CAN be reworked and made cool.

Check out The Batman. I like what they've done.

bigred760

11-11-2005, 02:40 PM

I, too, like the character of Clayface. But I think in order to make do him - they might have to do a lot of CGI - if they're going to make him look like he does in the comics or animated series. I don't think that's Chris Nolan's style. They might pull a Fantastic Four and just put the guy in a lot of makeup, but we all saw how The Thing turned out.

I think the only way that these villains make it onscreen will be to share villain time with some of the more well-known ones, like they did with The Scarecrow. The filmmakers will have to bring The Riddler, Penguin, and maybe even Mr. Freeze in order for these guys to make it onscreen. I think these guys are the ones that fans of the franchise will want to see; the others can help out.

chinton

11-11-2005, 03:02 PM

I know this isnt the most popular thing but I always enjoyed the Mad Hatter form the animated series. Not only do I think hes a very pognant character but I always found it fascianting how eventhough hes a bad guy hes probably the least bad guy out of all of them. Remeber the episode where he captures Batman and put him ina virtual reality. On one hand he did it so he could go on an uninterrupted crime spree. On the other hand he tried to make Bruce Wayne genuinely happy in the virtual reality. I just think hes a great character.

By the way I dont remeber Ventrliquist. What did he do.

As long as they dont put in the guy who was obssesed with time. What a lame character whose villian power was that he was really good with being on time. Lame.

Digifruitella

11-11-2005, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by chinton

Do you guys remember the Clayface episode on the animated series where he is in the control room of the TV station and he starts morphing into all those people on the screen. That would be an amazing scene if done right

yeah I've got that episode on the dvd, it would'be been cool to see on screen

Digifruitella

11-11-2005, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by therealjohng
I love watching Liev Shrieber in anything. The guy rules. And I would love to see him as Two Face. But there's another actor I would rather see as Harvey Dent/Two Face:

TERRENCE DASHON HOWARD.

We all know that guy would rule. I'm gonna push for him. I know I'm just one person, but fuck, he would be best suited for the role.

....

Two-Face isn't black.

bigred760

11-11-2005, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Digifruitella
....

Two-Face isn't black.

Lord, let's not get into that again.

http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93474&highlight=twoface

Digifruitella

11-11-2005, 05:02 PM

I wouldn't mind Liev Schreiber as Harvey Dent at all. At ALL.

but another really suiting actor for Dent is Rufus Sewell. If you read the graphic novels (The Long Halloween & Dark Victory) you KNOW he suits the role.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Face

http://imdb.com/name/nm0001722/

RustyRazor

11-11-2005, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by chinton
I know this isnt the most popular thing but I always enjoyed the Mad Hatter form the animated series. Not only do I think hes a very pognant character but I always found it fascianting how eventhough hes a bad guy hes probably the least bad guy out of all of them. Remeber the episode where he captures Batman and put him ina virtual reality. On one hand he did it so he could go on an uninterrupted crime spree. On the other hand he tried to make Bruce Wayne genuinely happy in the virtual reality. I just think hes a great character.

By the way I dont remeber Ventrliquist. What did he do.

As long as they dont put in the guy who was obssesed with time. What a lame character whose villian power was that he was really good with being on time. Lame.

The Ventriloquist was a guy who's split personality was a dummy named Scarface, bringing the dummy to life as the leader of a criminal organization. And Scarface used to call the Ventroliquist "dummy".

I saw them use the time guy you were talking about in Justice League Unlimited. They put him on with a team of mercenaries that were hired to break into the Watchtower, where the Justice League operated.

A lot cooler than him taking on Batman. It was a good episode.

Danger^Cart

11-11-2005, 05:24 PM

Yes, Rufus is the second best candidate so far. I think the producers, at this point, are leaning toward Liev, but who can say for sure until they do. I saw him in Zorro recently, and while the movie was a horrible pile he was a very convincing villain.

By the way I dont remeber Ventrliquist. What did he do.

ventriloquist is basically this crazy dude, who is two lame to commit his own crimes, so he channels his dark side through a dummie, named scarface. He treats scarface as a real human though, makign for some pretty cool psychological drama. its kinda cool to watch.

Check out The Batman. I like what they've done.

You like festering piles of adolescent shit? That series is blasphomy. Making the joker some regae hobbit, is not a good way to please the fans. The penguin doesnt bicycle kick either, for christs sake. And speaking of clayface, they made him SOOOOO bad in that series its not even funny. they totally friggin ruined him. He looked like a baddy off of scooby doo. Please dont mention that show in my thread again. thank you.

bigred760

11-11-2005, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
Making the joker some regae hobbit, is not a good way to please the fans. The penguin doesnt bicycle kick either, for christs sake. And speaking of clayface, they made him SOOOOO bad in that series its not even funny. they totally friggin ruined him. He looked like a baddy off of scooby doo. Please dont mention that show in my thread again. thank you.

I also don't like what they did with the Riddler. Long hair, skimpy clothes and so on. The story lines are still pretty cool, but they way they've overhauled the villains is wrong.

RustyRazor

11-11-2005, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
Yes, Rufus is the second best candidate so far. I think the producers, at this point, are leaning toward Liev, but who can say for sure until they do. I saw him in Zorro recently, and while the movie was a horrible pile he was a very convincing villain.

ventriloquist is basically this crazy dude, who is two lame to commit his own crimes, so he channels his dark side through a dummie, named scarface. He treats scarface as a real human though, makign for some pretty cool psychological drama. its kinda cool to watch.

You like festering piles of adolescent shit? That series is blasphomy. Making the joker some regae hobbit, is not a good way to please the fans. The penguin doesnt bicycle kick either, for christs sake. And speaking of clayface, they made him SOOOOO bad in that series its not even funny. they totally friggin ruined him. He looked like a baddy off of scooby doo. Please dont mention that show in my thread again. thank you.

Take it easy, friend. Just my opinion. Caesar Romero's take on him wasn't exactly the greatest during the campy 60's Batman run, but you can't knock that Romero gave the Joker character "a face" for those who didn't know who the hell he was.

Danger^Cart

11-11-2005, 06:07 PM

Nothing hostile, I just despise that show. Its like someone walking up to a batman fan and exclaiming "HOLY SHIT, DID YOU SEE BATMAN AND ROBIN?! OH MAN! THAT'S THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER!" If you dont want to get hit in the face, then just dont do it, ya know?

well fortunately the campy 60's days went out with the 60's, and Batman is no longer a mascot for the gay community, so let us turn our backs on that era forever, and let it burn to death like anakin skywalker.

beastieben21

11-11-2005, 06:30 PM

I WANT A BLACK TWO-FACE

Tyler_Durden_208

11-11-2005, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
Nothing hostile, I just despise that show. Its like someone walking up to a batman fan and exclaiming "HOLY SHIT, DID YOU SEE BATMAN AND ROBIN?! OH MAN! THAT'S THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER!" If you dont want to get hit in the face, then just dont do it, ya know?

well fortunately the campy 60's days went out with the 60's, and Batman is no longer a mascot for the gay community, so let us turn our backs on that era forever, and let it burn to death like anakin skywalker.
Offtopic Star Wars fan nitpick: He didn't burn to death :p
And on your nostalgiac musings of the great Batman: TAS, I'm ordering them right now so I can relive my childhood years of growing up watching that show and my second favorite Batman movie, Mask of the Phantasm.

Danger^Cart

11-11-2005, 08:10 PM

AHHH yes...Phantasm, how I do love that movie.

Actually, to get further off topic, one could argue that at that moment anakin did burn to death, and was rebuilt as Darth Vader. If one were to look into such matters....:rolleyes:

However, lets get back on topic people. throw me some good villains here! OOoooo, just saw this and need to comment.

As long as they dont put in the guy who was obssesed with time. What a lame character whose villian power was that he was really good with being on time. Lame.

Time King kicks ass! C'mon, your telling me you wouldn't like to see this scene...

*On top of a rooftop, Batman has Time King cornered. Nowhere to go but over the ledge, ten stories straight down*

Batman: It's over, nowhere to run. C'mon, lets go.

Time King: Yes, but I know something you don't know

Batman: And whats that King

Time King: The 6:00 Train is always 3 minutes late

*Time King rolls over the ledge. Batman gasps and runs over, only to find Time King sitting on the 6:00, fading into the distance*

Not exact dialogue, but the scene is close enough. Now THAT, is badass...

adamjohnson

11-11-2005, 09:40 PM

Its Lievs role frankly. Clive and/or Guy Pearce are great choices, but its his. Go rent MAnchurian Candidate and watch the 'water' scene.

The best Batman villian???

Gordon.

Has anyone ever seen the episode (it was newer) where Barb dies at the hands of Scarecrow and Gordon finds her body. He blames Batman, ralles the entire force, raids the cave, arrests afred, nabs Nightwing and Timmy, and sicks f-ing Bane on him after hes expelled from the force.

If hes pushed, hes the most dangerous foe Batman could ever have.

LordSimen

11-12-2005, 12:44 AM

On the topic of Two-Face: ... Am I the only one who wishes that Rachel Dawes in Batman Begins was taken out and replaced by Harvey Dent, and the love angle scrapped all together? Seriously, the whole assistant D.A. thing would have been perfect, and having Harvey and Bruce be childhood friends would add a whole new dynamic to the Two-Face character!

Danger^Cart

11-12-2005, 01:39 AM

HUH...I never thought of that before. That would actually be pretty cool.

LordSimen

11-12-2005, 12:05 PM

As for my casting choices...

RIDDLER: Johnny Depp (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000136/) or Edward Norton (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001570/)

TWO-FACE: Jeffrey Donovan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0232998/)

PENGUIN: Steven Buscemi (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000114/)

MAD HATTER:Martin Short (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001737/)

MR. FREEZE: Jeremy Irons (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000460/) or Christopher Lloyd (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000502/)

HARLEY QUINN: Brittany Murphy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005261/) or Sheri Moon (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0600667/)

Hm... For Killer Croc, Clayface, Poison Ivy, and Catwoman I'd have to think some more.

Tyler_Durden_208

11-12-2005, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by LordSimen
MR. FREEZE: Jeremy Irons (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000460/) or Christopher Lloyd (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000502/)
I personally think Lloyd would be too oddball for it, but I never thought of Jeremy Irons. And remembering his performance as the Über-Morlock in The Time Machine (2002), I think he'd be perfect. Plus, I'd just love to see him in more good movies and less drivel like Dungeons and Dragons.

LordSimen

11-12-2005, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden_208
I personally think Lloyd would be too oddball for it, but I never thought of Jeremy Irons. And remembering his performance as the Über-Morlock in The Time Machine (2002), I think he'd be perfect. Plus, I'd just love to see him in more good movies and less drivel like Dungeons and Dragons.

Yeah, he would be a little oddball comparatively, and he is a little too old now-a-days, but he's my second choice as far as the look and the voice goes. Irons is my first.

Danger^Cart

11-12-2005, 04:58 PM

EXCELLENT casting choice for Freeze, I never thought of that either, surprisingly, and Jeremy is probably in my top five favorite actors of all time. He's actually pretty built as well, so yes, that is THE mr. freeze IMO.

My choice, although not as good as Irons, is Doug Bradley. He has the voice, the acting chops, and he's not too big a star, something nolan shy's away from I think.

FiveDaze

11-13-2005, 02:55 AM

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Fivedazeproductions/2face2smNEW.jpg

The Heart Collector

11-13-2005, 03:54 AM

Guy Pearce as The Joker, for the love of christ.

Danger^Cart

11-13-2005, 04:35 AM

Read the title of the thread, for the love of christ.

And Paul Bettany is the best actor for the part so far, easy. Then again, anybody besides Jack Nicholson is super for the role.

Please no more talk about the Joker, your not him and I'm not laughing! I will so totally go sickhouse on your ass!!!:mad: :D

Five Days, that so needs to be made into a wallpaper its not even funny.

Mr. Gray

11-13-2005, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by bigred760
Lord, let's not get into that again.

http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93474&highlight=twoface

notice that i have respectfully declined to "comment" in this thread for obvious reasons.....

ahh well....

Danger^Cart

11-13-2005, 10:19 PM

You know, you don't have to comment on Harvey Dent being black...the point of this thread is to get everyones different villain options, even though they most likely wont be included in this movie.

I just ask you don't throw a tirade is all:rolleyes:

Badbird

11-14-2005, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
You know, you don't have to comment on Harvey Dent being black...the point of this thread is to get everyones different villain options, even though they most likely wont be included in this movie.

I just ask you don't throw a tirade is all:rolleyes:

Woo Hoo! Do I love Junior Schmoes!

I think that Mr. Freeze would be the farthest thing on the minds of the makers of Batman Begins. I could see King Tut becomeing a vilain before bringing back the memory of Arnold's Mr. Freeze.

I think they need to do some comic book free agency type stuff and trade for some bad guys from Marvel or Image. Batman vs Mr. Gone. There's some psychological warfare for you.

Here's a novel idea: What if they created a brand new villian just for the movie? That'd be ballsy.

LordSimen

11-14-2005, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by Badbird

Here's a novel idea: What if they created a brand new villian just for the movie? That'd be ballsy.

Not too ballsy, since Blade II, Catwoman, The Punisher, Superman IV and The Hulk all did that...

However, in my opinion, only Blade II and The Hulk did it well.

bigred760

11-14-2005, 08:49 AM

Jeremy Irons as Mr. Freeze would be great casting for that part. And to give credit to Christopher Lloyd, he still creeps me out every time I see Who Framed Roger Rabbit. He also played the villain in the third Star Trek movie, not the greatest movie, but he was still convincing. Another name I'd like to throw in there is Hugo Weaving.

Okay, that pic of Liev Schreiber as Two-Face is too reminiscent of Scumacher's movies. Let's not go there.

Another guy I wouldn't mind seeing play Two-Face is Daniel Day Lewis (actually he could pull off Mr. Freeze too).

I think if anyone could play The Riddler really well it would be Guy Pearce - I just don't see him as the Joker (sorry DangerCart). I still think Crispin Glover would be the ideal choice for that.

BigShime

11-14-2005, 04:10 PM

I think Liev would make a great Harvey Dent, I think he looks a lot like how Tim Sale had drawn him. And that Photoshoped imaged was pretty cool.

I really want to see Harvey Bullock in this next Batman movie. He's never made an apperance in any of the movies, and I think he would make good anti-Batman arguements but remain a good cop. have him be a foul for Gordon.

They definatly should have the Riddler in the movie too. But not as the main villian. Kinda of like the Scarecrow in the last one. He shouyld play as an underworld informant for Batman. Kind of like how he was portrayed in The Long Halloween and Dark Victory books. I would love to see Ed Norton or Peter Sarsgaard from Jarhead.

The Mad Hatter would be interesting too. But only if it's a small more personal story like Batman: Madness. The Mad Hatter should be a child molester/serial rapist and could kidnap all of Gothams young girls to take part of his sick Alice fantasies. They would need to make him really creepy. They also could introduce a young (14 years old or so) Barbara Gordan as Jim's neice. Then she could be kidnapped by the Mad Hatter and Batman has to save her. Maybe played my Robin Willams or (the obvious) Martin Short. Robin would be cool in the part. think One Hour Photo.

Killer Croc is an idea. But I don't it fits in the Nolan universe. But it would be cool to see. The only actor that I see playing him would be Rob Pearlman. Great voice, great build, and I think he played him in the later Batman: Gotham Knights cartoon.

BigShime

11-14-2005, 04:25 PM

Danger^Cart

11-14-2005, 10:06 PM

AH! DOUBLE POST!

Yes, Martin certainly is the #1 to portray hatter now isnt he, but still, has anyone mentioned jeff daniels yet? I dont know why, but I just see him as hatter...

I dont see whay Croc wouldn't fit into Nolans Universe, I mean, just because he has a superhuman quality to him, doesnt mean it has to be done hokey. Some of the supernatural villains (Clayface, Croc, Manbat) are like pieces to a puzzle, all you have to do is figure out where they best fit, and insert them where necessary. Anything can be done right with a competent director at the helm, something I think we've been fortunate enough to have stumbled upon.

LordSimen

11-15-2005, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
AH! DOUBLE POST!

Yes, Martin certainly is the #1 to portray hatter now isnt he, but still, has anyone mentioned jeff daniels yet? I dont know why, but I just see him as hatter...

I dont see whay Croc wouldn't fit into Nolans Universe, I mean, just because he has a superhuman quality to him, doesnt mean it has to be done hokey. Some of the supernatural villains (Clayface, Croc, Manbat) are like pieces to a puzzle, all you have to do is figure out where they best fit, and insert them where necessary. Anything can be done right with a competent director at the helm, something I think we've been fortunate enough to have stumbled upon.

Well, the problem is that while he may be able to make it fit, Nolan seems to come off as the kind of director who likes dealing with human characters. He prefers them to be human, in physical appearance and in the way they act.

chinton

11-15-2005, 12:43 AM

I guess Im the only who liked the animated series version of Mad Hatter. True it wasnt amazingly menacing but I was always moved by his origina episode

Danger^Cart

11-15-2005, 01:07 AM

Well, the problem is that while he may be able to make it fit, Nolan seems to come off as the kind of director who likes dealing with human characters. He prefers them to be human, in physical appearance and in the way they act.

Well, it's true Croc isn't a very complex character, but clayface is. I still want to see Clayface in a movie. My cock would get hard.

Badbird

11-15-2005, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by LordSimen
Not too ballsy, since Blade II, Catwoman, The Punisher, Superman IV and The Hulk all did that...

However, in my opinion, only Blade II and The Hulk did it well.

It'd be ballsy for a Batman movie. Those other movies were either second tier superhero movies (by that point, Superman was a b-movie), or in the case of Hulk, non-established movie franchises.

Danger^Cart

11-15-2005, 06:13 AM

While Nolan has won the respects of the fans, I dont think he's reached high enough status to just start making up villains...I mean...c'mon. Not to mention, there are so many good villains yet to be used (Hello, look at the thread your in) that it would be kind of silly to make up a villain for only the second movie in the franchise.

And If I here one more person say marvel has a better rogue gallerey than DC, I'm going to vomit all over them.

Nachokoolaid

11-15-2005, 06:35 AM

I want to see Talia come into the picture. Who to play her, though?

Rachel Weisz?

BigShime

11-15-2005, 12:09 PM

Monica Bellucci as Talia 'nuff said

Duke Nukem

11-15-2005, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by chinton
I guess Im the only who liked the animated series version of Mad Hatter. True it wasnt amazingly menacing but I was always moved by his origina episode

You're not alone. The Mad Hatter was never one of my favorite Batman villains, but I do think his character was executed well for the cartoon.

Danger^Cart

11-16-2005, 01:30 AM

Thats not really saying much, pretty much every villain was executed well in the cartoon.

Nachokoolaid

11-16-2005, 05:10 AM

Originally posted by BigShime
Monica Bellucci as Talia 'nuff said

She might be a little too old for Talia. I always pictured her as being a little younger than Bruce (or at least she appears that way), and Bellucci is certainly not younger than Bale.

Danger^Cart

11-20-2005, 09:19 AM

Eh, really dont feel Talia is very important. I think a big thing with Nolan is making sure that all other characters besides Batman take backseat roles, instead of the other way around, something very common in the previous vilms. Its all about are buddy bats, his personal demons, and his troubled head.

Badbird

11-21-2005, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
Eh, really dont feel Talia is very important. I think a big thing with Nolan is making sure that all other characters besides Batman take backseat roles, instead of the other way around, something very common in the previous vilms. Its all about are buddy bats, his personal demons, and his troubled head.

That was one of my biggest problems with Batman Begins. I didn't find him very convincing as a tortured soul. He just seemed to mope about a lot. He didn't seem any more nurotic or troubled than any standard revenge thriller, like, say, The Punisher, or Gladiator, or Daredevil.

What I really liked about the original Punisher movie was that they played him as a total sociopath. I didn't find Nolan's version of Bruce Wayne even remotely edgey. Just a bad ass taking names.

Digifruitella

11-21-2005, 02:36 AM

MR. FREEZE: Jeremy Irons (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000460/) or Christopher Lloyd (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000502/)

Here's the thing about these two actors. First of all, they could practically pass for Twin brothers, they look alike, and their voices..

Second, I actually thought that Christopher Lloyd did the voice for TAF of Mr Freeze, but it wasn't him.

I agree with these two choices for Freeze. Man, Lloyd or Irons can pull dat off.

Digifruitella

11-21-2005, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
Guy Pearce as The Joker, for the love of christ.

No way. You're off, IMO. Guy Pearce doesn't have the look of the Joker. For best, he can play Two-Face, but NOT the Joker. They ought to pick an actor who looks the part.

Danger^Cart

11-21-2005, 04:58 AM

What I really liked about the original Punisher movie was that they played him as a total sociopath. I didn't find Nolan's version of Bruce Wayne even remotely edgey. Just a bad ass taking names.

you must be a garth ennis fan. Frank is not a sociopath, he just has an altered view of justice, due to an extremely traumatic experience. I hate when he's portrayed as crazy/insane. As the man himself once said, "People say I'm a senseless killer. I would like to point out that I am a very sensible killer."

APzombie

11-21-2005, 07:57 PM

Here's my idea of what can happen.

The film opens with Batman in Arkahm narrowing down on the prisoners. He comes across the Scarcrow, whose face is now disfigured, his lips peeled off due to Rachel's tazer gun, making him look like his morphed counterpart. While moving in on an arrest, Batman is knocked out and Craine is killed by a crazed man in a red mask leaving joker cards with his victims. Ironicly, Craine isn't the only loose criminal being killed off. The Mysterious criminal killer is mistaken for Batman by the GPD. officials. Lt. Gordon is torn between Batman, who he believes is innocent, and Commisioner Loeb, who put Gordon in charge of capturing the Batman. As Batman gains attention of the Gotham Gazett (news paper), so is Ozwald Coublepot (The Penguin), who is climbing to the top getting his hands dirty in an arms dealership (his original work) for Roman Sionis (Black Mask). Bruce keeps it hard to seperate Batman and Bruce Wayne when Sionis wants Wayne dead and Wayne Corp. destroyed for buying out his fathers business. Deciding not to deal with Roman as Batman, Bruce Turns to old friends for help, Harvey Dent and Rachel Dawes find crimal records of Sionis and prosecute him for some heavy mob stints around Gotham. During court Ozwald bombs the hearing to obtain control of Sionis gang and reign control of the gotham mafia. The bombing leaves Rachel Dawes dying and Harvey half burnt. Sionis survives, but his skin is near burnt off, he rushes out, with nobody to turn to he goes to his fathers grave and carves a mask from his father's ebony coffin lid and took the name Black Mask vowing revenge on Coublepot, Wayne corp. and Gotham. Rachel and Harvey are rushed to the hospital, Bruce decides not to go to the scene of the crime as batman and looks over his friends as Bruce Wayne instead. Rachel dies in front of him and Dent is transfered to Arkham Asylam when his mental statis gets too out of control for the Hospital. Bruce's foundation is shaking, Rachel is dead, Harvey lost his sanity, Batman is now seen as a public executioner, Roman Sionis is potentially alive and after Wayne, there is a new and dangerous mob boss named Coublepot and a madman collapsing the court system Bruce sworn to protect. The fate of Gotham is at hand...

Peter Sarsgaard - HARVEY DENT/TWO_FACE
http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/ce/0304/PeterSarsgaard_150x208.jpg

Vincent Cassel - THE JOKER
http://www.all-pictures-photos.com/images/vincent-cassel/vincent-cassel-015-img.jpg

Dustin Hoffman - OZWALD COUBLEPOT/THE PENGUIN
http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/personalidades/atores/dustin-hoffman/dustin-hoffman02.jpg

Noah Taylor - ROMAN SIONIS/BLACK MASK
http://www.femail.com.au/img/images/noahsinglet2.jpg

Digifruitella

11-21-2005, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by APzombie
Here's my idea of what can happen.

The film opens with Batman in Arkahm narrowing down on the prisoners. He comes across the Scarcrow, whose face is now disfigured, his lips peeled off due to Rachel's tazer gun, making him look like his morphed counterpart. While moving in on an arrest, Batman is knocked out and Craine is killed by a crazed man in a red mask leaving joker cards with his victims. Ironicly, Craine isn't the only loose criminal being killed off. The Mysterious criminal killer is mistaken for Batman by the GPD. officials. Lt. Gordon is torn between Batman, who he believes is innocent, and Commisioner Loeb, who put Gordon in charge of capturing the Batman. As Batman gains attention of the Gotham Gazett (news paper), so is Ozwald Coublepot (The Penguin), who is climbing to the top getting his hands dirty in an arms dealership (his original work) for Roman Sionis (Black Mask). Bruce keeps it hard to seperate Batman and Bruce Wayne when Sionis wants Wayne dead and Wayne Corp. destroyed for buying out his fathers business. Deciding not to deal with Roman as Batman, Bruce Turns to old friends for help, Harvey Dent and Rachel Dawes find crimal records of Sionis and prosecute him for some heavy mob stints around Gotham. During court Ozwald bombs the hearing to obtain control of Sionis gang and reign control of the gotham mafia. The bombing leaves Rachel Dawes dying and Harvey half burnt. Sionis survives, but his skin is near burnt off, he rushes out, with nobody to turn to he goes to his fathers grave and carves a mask from his father's ebony coffin lid and took the name Black Mask vowing revenge on Coublepot, Wayne corp. and Gotham. Rachel and Harvey are rushed to the hospital, Bruce decides not to go to the scene of the crime as batman and looks over his friends as Bruce Wayne instead. Rachel dies in front of him and Dent is transfered to Arkham Asylam when his mental statis gets too out of control for the Hospital. Bruce's foundation is shaking, Rachel is dead, Harvey lost his sanity, Batman is now seen as a public executioner, Roman Sionis is potentially alive and after Wayne, there is a new and dangerous mob boss named Coublepot and a madman collapsing the court system Bruce sworn to protect. The fate of Gotham is at hand...

Peter Sarsgaard - HARVEY DENT/TWO_FACE
http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/ce/0304/PeterSarsgaard_150x208.jpg

Vincent Cassel - THE JOKER
http://www.all-pictures-photos.com/images/vincent-cassel/vincent-cassel-015-img.jpg

Dustin Hoffman - OZWALD COUBLEPOT/THE PENGUIN
http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/personalidades/atores/dustin-hoffman/dustin-hoffman02.jpg

Noah Taylor - ROMAN SIONIS/BLACK MASK
http://www.femail.com.au/img/images/noahsinglet2.jpg

Gee, AP, have you been hanging out at BOF forums? :eek: Much of the premise, (well maybe not much, just Roman Sionis part) is right what we're all talking about over there. I dig your premise, it sounds dark. Still, I somewhat disagree with how you have Rachel die and Harvey Dent turn into "Two-Face" (eventually)

It would be better off to have a "reference" type of thing for Rachel's demise, like in Batman Returns with Vicky Vale. Harvey Dent though, shouldn't have his face scarred like that. I would stick with original approach in "Dark Victory" which is having Maroni (i believe) spill acid on Dent's face during trial. That's in my opinion the best way. That would satisfy fans and overall would be a nice way of telling the story of how he got his 'two-face' My opinion.

APzombie

11-21-2005, 11:30 PM

yea I threw Black Mask in there because Bats-on-film had an insider say that he's likely to be in the film same with the penguin. Your right about two-face, I just couldn't connect him with the rest of the plot and it seems to be given that he's in it. I was going to finish it all but I have no idea how to get the joker to become the prince of pain, or any other character for that matter.

Lemmywinks

11-22-2005, 11:07 AM

I want clayface. Bring a new villain to the movie screen. Not the old ones that have already been done. Clayface had a good backstory, and is totally badass. The cgi might be good if they do it right and not overuse it. I think it could be awesome. Bring it.

Digifruitella

11-22-2005, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by APzombie
yea I threw Black Mask in there because Bats-on-film had an insider say that he's likely to be in the film same with the penguin. Your right about two-face, I just couldn't connect him with the rest of the plot and it seems to be given that he's in it. I was going to finish it all but I have no idea how to get the joker to become the prince of pain, or any other character for that matter.

I still dig what you had to say in your premise idea, that is really dang realistic approach. Now for the Joker, there's so much talk on BOF how to introduce him, and so far I have come across a few. But check this one out! Very detailed, long.

http://p088.ezboard.com/fbatmanonfilm81780frm18.showMessage?topicID=709.to pic

BigShime

11-23-2005, 11:48 AM

I'm afraid if they use Clayface in a live action movie he will end up looking like Noman the Golgothan Shit demon from Dogma.

Tyler_Durden_208

11-23-2005, 05:50 PM

I just purchased all three TPBs in the Knightfall story arc... And I gotta say that after they establish a couple years in Batman's history, this could make a kickass film if edited down the right way... Although I'd much rather see it as a trilogy, but it'd be a lot harder to do (studio execs, audience caring after the two cliffhanger endings (ex. half the people I know didn't even bother seeing Matrix Revolutions after Matrix Reloaded, they just wanted to see it wrapped up one film which it could have been, but that's another thread altogether))

MrPhox

11-24-2005, 01:27 PM

RIDDLER: Paul Bettany

JOKER: Ty Burrell Pic (http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/DawnoftheDead/DOTD_D027_300x435.jpg)

BANE: HE NEEDS A BIGGER ROLE THAN Batman and Robin!!

VENTRILOQUIST: Gene Wilder

Tyler_Durden_208

11-24-2005, 02:39 PM

After thinking about, and reading all the Knightfall books a couple times... I think Brock Lesnar has the physique and look to play Bane, but I don't know if he would have the acting skills necessary (since there are quite a few moments where Bane is unmasked). Any other suggestions?
As for Jean Paul Valley/Azrael, I'm fairly certain that it could be filled by a number of actors after they've beefed up a bit.

Danger^Cart

11-25-2005, 03:43 AM

I think a beefed up Ben Foster would make an awesome Azbats. He has the nice guy thing down, but then as seen in Hostage, he can be a brutal, vicious psychopath at the drop of a hat.

Tyler_Durden_208

11-25-2005, 09:59 AM

Yeah, but he'd have to majorly beefed up more, unless they get a different actor for inside the cyber-suit. I'm still wondering if there's a more viable and well-acting solution for Bane. After seeing some footage of Lesnar talking smack the other night, I don't think he's the right choice, because other than the body type, he's more maniacal and not the brooding, cold calculating type that Bane is. Plus it'd be hell trying to cover up his tatoos with CGI in every shot he's in, unless they modify the Bane costume, and I don't think that should be done.

TATU

11-28-2005, 08:05 PM

Here's who I thnk should play the various potential villain roles in Batman Begins 2:

Mr Freeze: Patrick Stewart. In case you guys missed it, Patty Stewart is one hell of an actor. His acting skills are more than up to par to portray Mr. Freeze's tragic backstory. Not to mention , despite what B&R would want you to beleive, Mr. Freeze isn't a hulking metal behemeth, unlike Arnold, he actually looks the part.

Mad Hatter: Sid Haig- Now I realize this is a strange one, buts its clear as a summer day that Sid can handle bizzare and insane characters better than almost anyone. He'd be perfect as the wicked weird and totally demented Mad Hatter.

The Joker: Quentin Tarantino- Seems strange at a glance, but look at Quentin's work in FDTD and tell me he doesn't play a brillaint psychopath. All he'd have to do is put on some makeup and laugh it up, without going too over the top.

The Riddler: Johnny Depp for sure. There's no doubt about it, Depp can play weird wacky characters, which Riddler essentially is.To be honest I didn't think Jim Carrey did that poorly with him in B&R anyway. Although his particular rendition wouldn't fit in Nolan's movie. Turning down the camp and upping the creepiness would do wonders. Depp could do that.

Harley Quinn: Brittany Murphy would make a great Harley. She looks the part and damn sure has the range.

Bane: Mickey Rourke: Mickey's cut his teeth playing big badguys, Bane wouldn't be any big problem. He's also still pretty hot coming off of Sin City

Catwoman: Rachel Weisz: She's hot, and I'd love to see her in tight leather. She's also one hell of an actress.

Poison Ivy: Uma Thurman: Give this woman another chance. She's a brillaint actress, her rendition of Poison Ivy was ruined in B&R because of the shitty script. I'd love to see her give it another try in a better movie.

Killer Croc: Ron Pearlman. He was great in Hellboy, and this would be even less of a challenge for him.

The Ventriloquist: Martin Short would be perfect for this role. Or Gene Wilder.

Clayface: John Goodman, now I hated Roseanne as much as everyone. But you've got to admit he was good in Fallen right? He'd be great as Clayface in human form.

Two-Face: William H. Macy- Anybody would be than Tommy Lee Jones, but William would be great for this role.

The Penguin: Danny Devito. He was good in Batman Returns, and its not like he's doing anything now right?

Danger^Cart

11-28-2005, 08:27 PM

eh, listing actors who have already portrayed those characters is kind of lazy dude, c'mon.

I sitll thank Jeff Daniels would be the perfect hatter.

Jeremy Irons is the perfect Freeze.

Will H. Macy is the perfect Vintriloquist.

Hmmmm, John Goodman is a hell of a good actor, but Clayface wasn't a big fat dude. So...don't really see that workin. I've been stumped for casting this man since my original post, and am still waiting for a good suggestion people. LETS GO!

Ki'esha Foxx

12-01-2005, 07:38 PM

I'd kinda like to see Rosario Dawson try playing Catwoman. She is a pretty good actress and I'd like to see another version of Selina Kyle, closer to her own comic series. Just a thought.

Danger^Cart

12-02-2005, 01:30 AM

Rosario Dawson? Next your going to tell me Halle Barry should play Catwoman!

oh...wait....

dellamorte dellamore

12-03-2005, 08:51 PM

Whoever it is , i hope they make the villains actually villianous and dangerous in the next film , because the ones in the first would have only scared little ones who are still pooping in their shorts .

Someone mentioned something to me about the guy who got fired from Wayne Industries ( Rutger Hauer ) , he's being set up to be a villian sometime in the future of the series , it makes sense to me .

Anyway , i still say Gerard Butler is the Joker , he has the chops to bring him to life without going all over the top and bringing attention to himself , he has the ability to " move " a scene , without actually moving , something the guy who played the scarecrow couldn't do . He seemed so pained in his attempts to tone down the mannerisms of the psycho he was playing ., one of the weakest and most pathetic bad dudes in any comic book film .

Mr. Gray

01-04-2006, 08:46 PM

speaking of casting choices, i'd just like to direct everybody to this thread here (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135980) where some pretty cool fan manips are being made of possible Bat-villains and teaser posters. here's some good ones....

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1306/twoface29ef.jpg
Ralph Fiennes as Two-Face

http://img110.echo.cx/img110/2051/a1xt.jpg
Ben Kingsley as Mr. Freeze

http://www.justinsecor.com/images/random/poisonivy.jpg
Charlize Theron as Poison Ivy

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/8185/killingjoketeaser26ox6qx.jpg
The Killing Joke Teaser Poster

Danger^Cart

01-04-2006, 09:25 PM

OH SNAP! Way too not let this thread die dude! C'mon people, this is the elite villain thread, let's keep it that way!

Kingsley looks damn good as Freeze, I will admit, but I still want Jeremy Irons, because he's one of my favorite actors ever.

Fiennes as Two Face looks scary as shit. I hadn't even thought of him either.

Tyler_Durden_208

01-04-2006, 10:01 PM

Oh my god, that thread on Superherohype opened my eyes... I never thought of The Rock as Bane... And now it makes so much sense. Awesomeness.

chinton

01-04-2006, 10:27 PM

When I think of Mr. Freeze I just ahve always thought of Patrick Stewart.

Danger^Cart

01-04-2006, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden_208
Oh my god, that thread on Superherohype opened my eyes... I never thought of The Rock as Bane... And now it makes so much sense. Awesomeness.

I'm not a big advocate of casting wrestlers for ANY movie period, because lets face it, they are all horrible actors. This is moot, however, because Bane is not Hawaiian, he's caucasion. I dont think Nolan would ever cast a wrestler, he's too good for that.

Tyler_Durden_208

01-04-2006, 11:01 PM

I thought that Bane was Latino... Even looking back at his appearances, he comes off that way, spouting off Spanish phrases, and he does wear a Luchadore mask...

electriclite

01-05-2006, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Gray
speaking of casting choices, i'd just like to direct everybody to this thread here (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135980) where some pretty cool fan manips are being made of possible Bat-villains and teaser posters. here's some good ones....

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1306/twoface29ef.jpg
Ralph Fiennes as Two-Face

http://www.justinsecor.com/images/random/poisonivy.jpg
Charlize Theron as Poison Ivy

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/8185/killingjoketeaser26ox6qx.jpg
The Killing Joke Teaser Poster

JESUS! Two Face alone is gonna give me nightmares tonight, but that Joker is going to haunt me for life!

AngelDust06

01-05-2006, 02:48 AM

That teaser looks preety cool but damn that two face picture looks frightening....wow.. could be good.

Danger^Cart

01-05-2006, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden_208
I thought that Bane was Latino... Even looking back at his appearances, he comes off that way, spouting off Spanish phrases, and he does wear a Luchadore mask...

In all the comics I have that feature him (admittedly...not that many, not counting the Knightfall trilogy, only four or five) he's a white dude with a crew cut. Before he started taking Venom he was still a big guy, only minus the super strength, and was known more for his intellect than his brawn. It never really explains why he wears the mask....I just always assumed its because he's built like a wrestler and it goes with the rest of his outfit. Yeah, I dont know where you got the Latino thing from, but I've never heard of it. If anything, he's German or Norwegian descent.

I just don't feel that the Rock is a good enough actor for a Chris Nolan movie (not NEARLY good enough; and for the record, camping it up a bit, and playing the part of a gay man, does NOT a good actor make) and I nor do I feel he could pass himself off as being a criminal genius. Bane would be hard to cast well...but casting a wrestler is not the answer.

soda

01-05-2006, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
In all the comics I have that feature him (admittedly...not that many, not counting the Knightfall trilogy, only four or five) he's a white dude with a crew cut. Before he started taking Venom he was still a big guy, only minus the super strength, and was known more for his intellect than his brawn. It never really explains why he wears the mask....I just always assumed its because he's built like a wrestler and it goes with the rest of his outfit. Yeah, I dont know where you got the Latino thing from, but I've never heard of it. If anything, he's German or Norwegian descent.

The "Latino Bane" is from the tail end of the all-time classic TV show: Batman, the Animated Series (or Batman, TAS). The show is now out on DVD. Anyway, in that show, particularly in last seasons of that show when it was on the WB network and was renamed "The new Batman Adventures" (or the adventures of Batman and Robin, or something like that). Anyway, the show only had a run of 24 episodes on the kidsWB, plus a feature movie: "mystery of the Batwoman" that came out a couple of years ago. What's interesting about this is that between the time (2 years) that the fox show ended, and the WB show started, all the characters, plots, and etc. were redesigned. It was still a Dini / Timm verse, but all the characters looked and felt different, one of the things that happened in this new run of 24 episodes, and that you also see in the movie "mystery of the Batwoman" is a hispanic version of Bane. Seriously, watch "over the edge" (the Batman adventures episode were Barbara Gordon dreams her own death at the hands of the Scarecrow) and watch "mystery of the Batwoman" and you'll see the hispanic Bane. It isn't in any of the comics, though, just the late Batman: TAS verse. Hope that clears it up!

Oh, and one other thing, most fans think of the Batman: TAS show on Fox as being the real McCoy and don't particularly like the redesign for the kidsWB. While I'm one of those people, it should be said that (IMHO) maybe the single greatest half an hour of Batman television / movie / whatever came from this 24 episode aborted run. I talk, of course, about "mad love", if you've never watched "mad love", find it and watch it, it is THE most hysterical thing you've ever seen! (Batman to the Joker, from that episode - "She got closer than you ever did,... pudding.")

Danger^Cart

01-05-2006, 09:16 PM

LOL...I remember that episode, it only furthered my schoolboy crush on Harley. (That being said I laughed hysterically when Joker pushes her out of the window, brushes his hands off, and nonchalantley walks over to free Batman)

Along those lines, have you seen the episode "Joker's Millions" ??? During the course of the episode Joker picks up a "new Harley" who is an obnoxious barbie doll, who repeatedly calls him "Mr. G (Instead of Mr. J)". At one point, while Joker is brooding about some unfortunate plot turns, she's fiddling with some money at his feet with her back turned to him and refers to him once again as "Mr. G." Joker's eye's bug out of his head at this, and he promptly reaches inside his jacket and pull's out a handgun, pointing it at the back of her head.

Priceless.

While I hated the character designs of that show (everyone was really poorly drawn, with the exception of Penguin, who they only made shorter and skinnier) the writing regarding the villains was exceptional, and some of the stories (The bug farm was stupid as shit) were awesome as well.