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KcMsterpce
11-15-2005, 05:24 AM
***** WARNING: MINOR SPOILERS, ESPECIALLY FOR BOOK FIVE *****
(BUT IT'S MOSTLY TONGUE-IN-CHEEKISH SPOILERISMS)


I get annoyed about a number of things with the Harry Potter series. For example, every year - even in year FIVE - it seems as if everyone doesn't know that Harry Potter is at the school, and everyone knows who he is. Each new character that meets him says, (with a heavy accent) "YOU-AHR HahrEY POTT-EHR?!" incredulously, as if it's a big surprise that he's lurking about their premises. Slitherin is completely populated with nothing but conniving and malicious backstabbing students, and of course Malfoy is the worst of the group. You'd think that these children would GROW UP at some point, and learn about something called maturity. But no, instead they go out of their way to try and kill Harry, if not just maim him severely. Even though all the teachers know that Potter wouldn't be doing anything bad, they fall for Malfoy and Slitherin's tricks and believe that Harry is a bad kid. How insightful of the teachers to take all the lies for granted in such a way! Nevermind how evil Snape is to anyone that isn't in his class. Jeez Louise, where's an acceptable role model in these books, eh?
Worst of all is Dumbledore. This guy is a grade-A asshole! Every year, the poor students are put into mortal peril, and Dumbledore knows everything that's going on. Worst of all was in book five (haven't read the 6th), when he avoids Harry at all costs, knows that Harry is innocent but still allows him to go to trial with the off-chance of Harry being put to Azkaban (of course he won't, everything turns out fine for Harry, Weasly and Hermione in the end)... and why? So that once the final act comes along, and Harry could have died like a dozen times, but still survives, Dumbledore can come in at the last second to save the day. Then, he goes on to explain how he knew everything that was happening - hell, students even DIE and he could have prevented it - yet he does jack shit, and doesn't let people know the situation at hand until the worst is over. Well, you know what? FUCK YOU, Dumbledore! Fuck you in your stupid ass! I'd have him impeached, demoted and sent to Azkaban for being such an asshole headmaster (haha! He's the master of head!). How dare he be this way!

I understand that the Harry Potter series is ultimately made for kids. What I don't understand is how so many full grown adults are taken in by these books as much as the kids. What I also don't understand is how a series with so few good role models and bumbling children (who never have the right clues until the end, when the REAL truth reveals itself - way to go, Hermione! I thought you were a genius! Figure it out! It's the new Dark Arts teacher that's starting all the shit, dumbass!) who make the same mistakes through every book can be so widely accepted by the vast majority. I don't hear much about those who are opposed to this way of storytelling. Why is that? Oh, it's all drowned out by the hoardes of fans, my bad! Well, I won't hold back on my truthful opinion: Dumbledore is a dick!

Sidenote: I think they will be fun movies, minus the childish characters and the constant reminder of Harry Potter being popular. And also the Voldemort about to become physical but then is pushed back into obscurity in the end scheme. Until book six, I'm sure, when it's inevitable that he's finally in full human flesh form, for the final showdown in book seven. How quaint. I can't guarantee this is the case, having not read the sixth book, but I just guess that's how it turns out.

RustyRazor
11-15-2005, 09:25 AM
Never read any of the books, but I've seen the movies.
Sounds to me like the story, as childish as it seems, is being written for those on that level. Dumbledore could explain his actions or even be more open and caring about those around him.

That's just how he rolls.

And I think a book that inspires that kind of response is a very well written one. No wonder its such a successful series.

BorderEevilIII
11-15-2005, 10:43 AM
Don't be hatin on Dumbledore being a DICK :D
(looks at JK Rowling)


WELL


***SPOILER REFERENCES WARNING***



As I recalled from the book ... Dumbledore questioned Harry's credibility how his name got pulled up from GOF and strangely enough still allowed him to participate in the tournament. And Harry explained 101 times he did NOT submit, fix, hex, you name it but still went anyway. Makes ya wonder how Rowling molds the relationship Harry has w/ Dumbledore in each book. Ya know I like you to I can't stand ya. I am wonderin what she has in store for the next one.... :(

chinton
11-15-2005, 04:53 PM
The reason why so many adults get sucked into t he s reis is because its a great well-written series.

KcMsterpce
11-15-2005, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by chinton
The reason why so many adults get sucked into t he s reis is because its a great well-written series.

Oh yes, you're right, that's so insightful.

Thanks, I sure feel stupid now.

However, I disagree with your opinion, since I find the writing not-so-great, the imagination level very high (which is why I kept reading anyways; I was hoping everything else would catch up to the imagination), and the characterization to be grossly sub-par. But then again, that's my OPINION, which isn't the same as yours.
I know that most people seem not to think the writing style is as bad as I think it is. But that's alright, I'll just say I'm not with the grain on this one, but don't think the fans are dumb for liking it.

the_sneaker
11-15-2005, 08:11 PM
Mark Twain vs. J.K. Rowling:

Twain: Fantastic author who was brilliant at creating rich enviroments, characters, and stories. That being said, all of his novels bore me to tears. I've read "Huck Finn" a number of times (because 3 of my professors have assigned it) and everytime I marvel at just how well written it is, and just how much I could care less about anything that goes on in the story.

Rowling: Imagintive author who, while not comparable to Twain when it comes to pure writing talent, makes up for her sub-par writing with rich stories and fun characters/events that make me completely forget the fact that she's no Thoreau.

I'd rather be sucked into and completely obsorbed by a novel written by a good or mediocre author than forced to read and analyze a novel written by an author that I respect for his talent, but can't stand for his storytelling.

PS: KC, this is completely off the subject, but when I saw your avatar I fell out of my chair laughing, and I don't even know why...it's fucking hilarious!

KcMsterpce
11-15-2005, 08:46 PM
I agree about reading a book that tells a good story vs. a book that is well written.

For me, I think Harry Potter could be an awesome awesome series, even WITH the not-so-awesome writing, but I'm tired of things unfolding the same way each time through every book.

Plus, I wished that the characters weren't so black and white. However, it IS a children's series, so it makes sense. Which goes back to what I mentioned before; how is it that not as many adults are as annoyed by me at a lot of the childish characters (childish BEYOND their young ages), and the inadequate writing style?

Anyways, there's a LOT worse out there, but I'm sure there's also a lot MORE that's better,b ut just didn't catch on as quickly or get the luck that the Potter series had.

Plus, they'll be kickass movies, probably.

The Postmaster General
11-16-2005, 01:24 PM
I have no idea what the hell you all are talking about, but with a name like Dumbledore it has to be a dick.

chinton
11-16-2005, 04:13 PM
Im very confused why youre confused why other adults like this series. All my adult friends along with myself as Im adult love it. I agree the writing and the charatcerizations arent materpieces. If I want true works of art that show the deep understanding of the human psyche Ill read Dune or Philip K Dick. But what Harry potter does so well is that provides you with intensely likable characters that you can relate to. Her work whether its the characters landscapes or stories are immediately relatable and that what makes her work so winning and so great. They may be black and white but I find her character absolutely endearing. But thats just me.

chinton
11-16-2005, 04:37 PM
I should say Ive read little young adult fiction or little I can remember. I dont understand whats so grea t about Narnia. I thought it was rather boring with characters I never connected to. Pullman's Dark materials started out great but eventually got unnecessarily convoluted and fell on its face.

ChemicalRomance
11-16-2005, 11:28 PM
Ah the irony, I have to annotate fucking 30 pages of Huck Finn right now.

notchreturns
11-17-2005, 05:12 PM
That Hormone chick sure is a cutie.

BorderEevilIII
11-17-2005, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by notchreturns
That Hormone chick sure is a cutie.


hmmmm cute as in attractive or sooo cute I wanna nail her? :D
Well I know the age of consent is lower versus here in the U.S. which is what 21?

Dead Halloween
11-18-2005, 12:36 PM
SPOILERS FOR THE LAST HP BOOK (http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/5671/11323276424405fz.gif)

:)

Genghis Khan
12-23-2005, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by notchreturns
That Hormone chick sure is a cutie.

I agree, but I'm 16 so that's not creepy. She's just a year younger than me. Oh and just for the record, the legal age of consent is 18.

Rock On!!
:cool:

Lost in Space
12-27-2005, 10:01 AM
**SPOILERS**

in the sixth book he dies so who cares

inglourious basterd
12-27-2005, 01:56 PM
I don't think you are reading the same books I read.

The books are not only about the action that is found in them. If you believe that, then you have grossly missed the point. She doesn't offer life-changing insight, but she does have some.

Kids who read this are supposed to compare the differences between those who are good and those who are evil. The main difference between the philosophies of the two groups is "fear of death" versus Harry and Dumbledore, who have the unique "ability to love". And somehow this "power to love" is more powerful. Dumbledore wields this and he is considered the man. Harry wields it and he doesn't know how to use it mostly due to his age.


Through book 5, much of what Harry has accomplished was largely based on luck and stupidity. That is plain to see and I acknowledge that it may be frustrating. But even amidst all that luck and stupidity, the early part of that 5th book shows that Harry's skill/talent is greater than many full-fledged wizards because he has already proven that he is capable of doing things that most cannot.

As for Dumbledore being a dick...you have to realize that Dumbledore isn't asking for his students to be in danger. It is those who choose to be evil that bring danger to the school. Rowling's world is very different and very dangerous, but it is a very type of dangerous.

There is a lot more development betweent he relationship of Dumbledore and Harry in the 6th book. But my guess is that this will come off largely as superficial as you've not really been enjoying the books up to that point.