View Full Version : Will Harry die in book 7?
inglourious basterd
11-27-2005, 01:51 AM
Will Harry die in Book 7?
Evidence seems to be pointing that way.
I recall the tea leaves in Book 2. And in book 1, Firenze suggested that it was in the stars that Voldemort was going to kill harry.
To be fair, Trelawney was a hack and Firenze said that "even cenataurs misread the stars once in a while".
Looking forward to hearing some of your opinoins.
War Movie Mania
11-27-2005, 04:39 PM
Trelawney wasn't necessarily a hack. She did predict "the prophecy" after all.
I always thought that the tea leaves simply predicted about Sirius Black, not Harry's death. Sirius Black could turn into a dog that looked exactly like the dog shown in the tea leaves.
Will Harry die in book 7? I hope not. But honestly wouldn't put it past Rowling since she has offed many main characters already.
And with prophecies you always have to remember that they don't always mean the most obvious thing. Harry might not 'die' in a literal sense, but in a figurative way.
inglourious basterd
12-16-2005, 05:29 PM
After all of this discussion and after seeing GOF in IMAX, I decided to read 1-6. It was the first time I have read parts 1 and 2 and the second time I have read 3-6.
Like most people, I read through the books relatively quickly on my first run through. On this run through the books, I really took my time and tried to figure out what will happen in book 7. There are some huge and obvious things that I noticed. I think that they will undeniably be a part of the last book. I'd go as far as putting a spoiler warning at this point. If you don't want to read all of this stuff, you could look at my cliffs notes on the bottom of this post.
First, I think that it is incredibly likely that R.A.B., the mysterious, unknown person who destroyed the Slytherin necklace horcrux (which weakened Dumbledore in Book 6), was none other than Regalus Black, the brother of Sirius Black. There were many reasons that this seems obvious to me. First, he is mentioned with relative frequency in Book 6 (this is just circumstantial evidence). Second, he is described as a former death eater who wanted to get out. Lastly, it was obvious that the person who took the horcrux was a former death eater. The ominous note by R.A.B. was addressed to "The Dark Lord" and the note was made so that Voldemort would be mortal and able to be killed. This is important because we may soon find out that R.A.B. may have destroyed the other remaining horcruxes as well. (Nagini the snake was suspected by Dumbledore as the final horcrux, but it is not clear whether or not Voldemort has possessed it yet).
Second, I want to mention the fact that Rowling stressed the differences between Voldemort and Harry clearly. In books 5 and 6, Dumbledore is clear about the fact that Harry possesses a power that Voldemort knows not -- the power of love (he does know of it, but he detests it). We have seen this power of love earlier in the series. The person who wielded this power was Lily Potter when she saved her son. Presumably, she sacrificed herself in order to save her son. The result was that the Avada Kedavra spell was bounced off like a shield charm. And, more importantly, the reflected Avada Kedavra spell connected with Voldemort. But because of the fact that Voldemort had, at the time, 5 horcruxes, the Avada Kedavra spell was not sufficient to kill him. Instead, it left him in a state that was "less than ghosts".
Assuming that R.A.B. took care of some of the horcruxes, and if we count the horcruxes that Harry and Dumbledore destroyed, if a similar display of love were to manifest itself in book 7 (hint), then Voldemort can be destroyed. If this is the case, then the possibility may be that Harry may use the power of love to save Ron, Hermoine, and/or Ginny from Voldemort. It is evident that this love that Dumbledore detailed was not a sexual love; instead, a platonic love as one would feel for their brothers, children, or family -- and we know that Harry has had this type of love for Sirius, Lupin, Hermoine, the Weasleys, and Dumbledore.
Lastly, it seems that Rowling's main theme for the series is the juxtaposition of life and death. The death eaters fear death and believe that it is the thing that is what is to be most feared. Dumbledore continuously asserts that Voldemort is incorrect about that. Ironically, when they kill people with their Avada Kedavra spell, it is a quick, painless death. Dumbledore instead asserts in Book 6 is that it is wiser to fear the unknown or fear itself than to fear death. Lupin says the same thing to Harry in Book 3 when they talk about Harry's boggart. I mention this because if this is indeed the theme, then the ending of the series will reflect this theme that there are worse things than death. And I use this to justify that Harry may have the same fate as his mother as he expresses his natural and extraordinary power of love for his friends in the face of Voldemort.
So what do I think will happen? Voldemort will kill Harry, who willingly takes the hit for his friends and, consequently, the act of sacrificing himself for his friends would result in the death of Voldemort. The power of love is not necessarily something that Harry deliberately knows how to use -- but it is something that will be there for him when he is inevitably attacked by Voldemort. I mention this because it is obvious that when Harry kills Voldemort, it will certainly not be with an unforgivable curse (which are dark curses which have to be uttered with sincere hate -- and although Harry does hate Voldemort and those who follow him, killing Voldemort in this way does not feature the incredible power within Harry that Dumbledore talks about).
There is an obvious objection that immediately comes to mind. The prophecy by Trelawney is that "neither can live while the other is alive". And if Voldemort and Harry both die, then the prophecy would seemingly be proven incorrect. But I think that there is evidence of an "afterlife" in Rowling's world. Nearly Headless Nick hints that at the end of book 5. He explains that ghosts remain on earth after death because they choose to remain on earth in their diminished forms. The majority of people, in contrast, choose to move on. Furthermore, at the end of book 4, Voldemort threatens that Harry is soon to "reunite with his parents". I think IF both Voldemort and Harry were to die, that it would be ironic if voldemort were dead (both in body and in soul) and that the soul of Harry were to reunite with all those who have been taken from him. I'm not saying that this is the best ending, but I think it does make sense.
I realized that I have put a lot of hypotheses here, but I think that there are irrefutable points here that will be in book 7. Cliffs Notes:
(1) RAB = Regalus Black and he may have destroyed more horcruxes
(2) We will see more of Harry's power of love. This is what will kill Voldemort. And we have seen this power once before from Lily Potter (when she died).
(3) One of the major themes of the book is about life and death. Dumbledore repeats often that there are worse things than death and that Voldemort's weakness is his inability to understand this.
cocksmokinclerk
02-14-2006, 02:29 PM
i'm sorry i didn't ready all that but i have heard on several occasions (radio, tv talk shows, etc.) that j.k. rowling is planning on killing harry in book 7
Skysaber
02-17-2006, 03:12 AM
I could see Harry sacrificing himself to save someone else, but not dying in battle or anything like that.
HedwigX
02-18-2006, 08:49 AM
I think it's fairly likely that Harry will die. I just hope that JKR doesn't do a Matrix with Book 7 (have Harry, LV and Ginny die) like she did a Spider-Man with HBP (the whole funeral breakup scene).
Porter
04-24-2006, 05:16 AM
I dont think that JK would have anything against killing Harry, as she has killed of both Dumbledore (always saw this coming, but i thought it would happen in book 7) and Sirius.
I dont really care if she does kill Harry or not, just as long as the seventh is at the same level as the six before it, and the ending is just as good as the ending in number 6
PagelessBook
05-08-2006, 05:27 PM
No! He can't, I think it would be way too detrimental to all the kiddies learning to read more than just picture books,
Zing!
07-10-2006, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by Porter
I dont think that JK would have anything against killing Harry, as she has killed of both Dumbledore (always saw this coming, but i thought it would happen in book 7)
POTENTIAL SPOILER - I was reading on a HP website (in fact, it may have been called 'Dumbeldore Isn't Dead' or something like that) that puts forth the notion that Snape said the killing curse, but THOUGHT a completely different curse, and that Dumbeldore didn't really die after all. There was much ado about this in Book 6 I believe - being able to use a curse without actually saying it. There is also the possibility that Dumbeldore really DID die, but created his own horcrux in Fawkes, his Phoenix, before doing so. Either way, the argument could be made that Snape is on the side of good and was only acting on Dumbeldore's orders. It will be interesting to see how this plays out!
tsay1616
08-16-2006, 01:51 PM
I do think that Snape is good, and was acting on Dumbledores orders. In HBP, Hagrid tells Harry, Ron, and Hermione that he saw Snape and Dumbledore fighting by the forest, and Snape said he didn't want to do it anymore. I think that he was saying that he didn't want to kill Dumbledore. I think Snape will die in book 7 by sacrificing his life for either Harry or someone very close to Harry. I dont think Dumbledore made a horcrux because that would require him to split his soul and kill someone. That seems highly unlikely.
thelivingforce
12-10-2006, 09:35 PM
Some good ideas here about what could possibly happen in book 7. I think I remember JK Rowling saying at a book reading for charity that "Dumbledore is dead and don't expect him to pull a Gandalf".
vBulletin® v3.8.4, Copyright ©2000-2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.