inglourious basterd
11-28-2005, 07:10 PM
Wikipedia is the best website ever. But that is beside the point.
Horcruxes are definitely going to be a huge theme in book 7. That being said, I've been thinking about what they are, and what could possibly be left.
Multiple people have suggested that Harry may be a horcrux (a partition of Voldemort's soul) and that, as a result, the series may culminate with Harry killing himself to kill Voldemort. If not Harry, then his scar. Below I link two articles that I find interesting.
I realize that (A) each resource is pretty long and that few would want to read them and (B)I did not write either. I just thought that others might find the hypotheses in each to be entertaining
1. Wikipedia coverage on horcruxes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horcruxe
2. Post by someone else on another board (I ran across it when I googled 'horcrux')
Hello, I am new here and to any forum so I ask for patience if I commit any faux pas. I do believe I may be helpful in contributing some canon work I have compiled on Harry being a Horcrux (although I'm leaning towards his scar actually being a horcrux).
"You can speak Parseltongue Harry," said Dumbledore calmly, "because Lord Voldemort - who is the last remaining ancestor (I have copy w/ deliberate mistake) of Salazar Slytherin can speak Parseltongue. Unless I am much mistaken, he transferred some of his powers to you, the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended I'm sure..." "Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?" Harry said thunderstruck. "It certainly seems so." (US COS, Chap. 18 pg 332-333)
....Someone was screaming, screaming inside his head...a woman... "Not Harry, not Harry, please not Harry!" "Stand aside, you silly girl...stand aside now..." "Not Harry, please no, take me, kill me instead-" ...."Not Harry, Please have mercy...have mercy..." (US POA, Chap. 9. pg 179)
White fog obscured his senses...big blurred shapes were moving around him...then came a new voice, a man's voice, shouting, panicking- "Lily, take Harry & go! It's him! Go! Run! I'll hold him off-" The sounds of someone stumbling from the room-a door bursting open- a cackle of high-pitched laughter. (US POA, Chap. 12, pg. 240)
Harry has two memories of the same moment, I believe one is actually Voldemort's.
"I was saying, my dear, that you were clearly born under the baleful influence of Saturn," said Professor Trelawney, a note of resentment in her voice at the fact that he had obviously not been hanging on her words. "Born under- what, sorry?" said Harry. "Saturn, dear, the planet Saturn!" said Professor Trelawney, sounding definately irritated that he wasn't riveted by this news. "I was saying that Saturn was surely in a position of power in the heavens at the moment of your birth...Your dark hair...your mean stature...tragic losses so young in life...I think I am right in saying, my dear, that you were born in midwinter?" "No," said Harry, "I was born in July." (US GOF, Chap. 13, pg. 200)
We now know that Tom Riddle Jr. was indeed born in midwinter.
"That's right," said Mrs. Cole, helping herself to more gin. "I remember it clear as anything, because I'd just started here myself New Year's Eve and bitter cold, snowing, you know. Nasty night. And this girl, not much older than I was myself at the time, came staggering up the front steps. Well she wasn't the first. We took her in, and she had the baby within the hour. And she was dead in another hour." (US HBP, Chap. 13, pg. 266)
POA the movie; In the final dementor scene when they are sucking the souls out of Harry and Sirius, for a split second there are clearly 2 dementors sucking 2 souls out of Harry at the same time. While this isn't exactly profound canon, it is supporting evidence that is shockingly visible.
I'm fairly certain Voldemort was unaware that Harry is one of his horcruxes, since it seems as though he was going to turn Nagini into one w/Harry's death at the end of Goblet of Fire. This proves that he hadn't made his final Horcrux w/ Frank's death - as Dumbledore suspected. If he didn't do that, then we are one Horcrux short, but that's off topic (wink)
...And now I am going to prove my power by killing him, here and now, in front of you all, when there is no Dumbledore to help him, and no mother to die for him. I will give him his chance. He will be left in no doubt which of us is the stronger. Just a little longer, Nagini," he whispered and the snake glided away through the grass... (US GOF, Chap. 33, pg. 658)
As far as I can figure, Voldemort only became aware of Harry as one of his horcruxes when he attempted to possess him in OOTP.
...And then Harry's scar burst open. He knew he was dead: it was pain beyond imagining, pain past endurance-He was gone grom the hall, he was locked in the coils of a creature with red eyes, so tightly bound that Harry did not know where his body ended and the creature's began.They were fused together, bound by pain, and there was no escape-... (US OotP, Chap. 36, pg 815)
I realize this is exceptionally long, however all of these clues Jo gave us along with the prophecy, Harry seeming to remember Tom Riddle when he first got the diary, the dementors fascination with Harry, etc... seem to definately point to Harry being Voldemort's horcrux. I do hope this helps out those with the same idea!
Horcruxes are definitely going to be a huge theme in book 7. That being said, I've been thinking about what they are, and what could possibly be left.
Multiple people have suggested that Harry may be a horcrux (a partition of Voldemort's soul) and that, as a result, the series may culminate with Harry killing himself to kill Voldemort. If not Harry, then his scar. Below I link two articles that I find interesting.
I realize that (A) each resource is pretty long and that few would want to read them and (B)I did not write either. I just thought that others might find the hypotheses in each to be entertaining
1. Wikipedia coverage on horcruxes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horcruxe
2. Post by someone else on another board (I ran across it when I googled 'horcrux')
Hello, I am new here and to any forum so I ask for patience if I commit any faux pas. I do believe I may be helpful in contributing some canon work I have compiled on Harry being a Horcrux (although I'm leaning towards his scar actually being a horcrux).
"You can speak Parseltongue Harry," said Dumbledore calmly, "because Lord Voldemort - who is the last remaining ancestor (I have copy w/ deliberate mistake) of Salazar Slytherin can speak Parseltongue. Unless I am much mistaken, he transferred some of his powers to you, the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended I'm sure..." "Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?" Harry said thunderstruck. "It certainly seems so." (US COS, Chap. 18 pg 332-333)
....Someone was screaming, screaming inside his head...a woman... "Not Harry, not Harry, please not Harry!" "Stand aside, you silly girl...stand aside now..." "Not Harry, please no, take me, kill me instead-" ...."Not Harry, Please have mercy...have mercy..." (US POA, Chap. 9. pg 179)
White fog obscured his senses...big blurred shapes were moving around him...then came a new voice, a man's voice, shouting, panicking- "Lily, take Harry & go! It's him! Go! Run! I'll hold him off-" The sounds of someone stumbling from the room-a door bursting open- a cackle of high-pitched laughter. (US POA, Chap. 12, pg. 240)
Harry has two memories of the same moment, I believe one is actually Voldemort's.
"I was saying, my dear, that you were clearly born under the baleful influence of Saturn," said Professor Trelawney, a note of resentment in her voice at the fact that he had obviously not been hanging on her words. "Born under- what, sorry?" said Harry. "Saturn, dear, the planet Saturn!" said Professor Trelawney, sounding definately irritated that he wasn't riveted by this news. "I was saying that Saturn was surely in a position of power in the heavens at the moment of your birth...Your dark hair...your mean stature...tragic losses so young in life...I think I am right in saying, my dear, that you were born in midwinter?" "No," said Harry, "I was born in July." (US GOF, Chap. 13, pg. 200)
We now know that Tom Riddle Jr. was indeed born in midwinter.
"That's right," said Mrs. Cole, helping herself to more gin. "I remember it clear as anything, because I'd just started here myself New Year's Eve and bitter cold, snowing, you know. Nasty night. And this girl, not much older than I was myself at the time, came staggering up the front steps. Well she wasn't the first. We took her in, and she had the baby within the hour. And she was dead in another hour." (US HBP, Chap. 13, pg. 266)
POA the movie; In the final dementor scene when they are sucking the souls out of Harry and Sirius, for a split second there are clearly 2 dementors sucking 2 souls out of Harry at the same time. While this isn't exactly profound canon, it is supporting evidence that is shockingly visible.
I'm fairly certain Voldemort was unaware that Harry is one of his horcruxes, since it seems as though he was going to turn Nagini into one w/Harry's death at the end of Goblet of Fire. This proves that he hadn't made his final Horcrux w/ Frank's death - as Dumbledore suspected. If he didn't do that, then we are one Horcrux short, but that's off topic (wink)
...And now I am going to prove my power by killing him, here and now, in front of you all, when there is no Dumbledore to help him, and no mother to die for him. I will give him his chance. He will be left in no doubt which of us is the stronger. Just a little longer, Nagini," he whispered and the snake glided away through the grass... (US GOF, Chap. 33, pg. 658)
As far as I can figure, Voldemort only became aware of Harry as one of his horcruxes when he attempted to possess him in OOTP.
...And then Harry's scar burst open. He knew he was dead: it was pain beyond imagining, pain past endurance-He was gone grom the hall, he was locked in the coils of a creature with red eyes, so tightly bound that Harry did not know where his body ended and the creature's began.They were fused together, bound by pain, and there was no escape-... (US OotP, Chap. 36, pg 815)
I realize this is exceptionally long, however all of these clues Jo gave us along with the prophecy, Harry seeming to remember Tom Riddle when he first got the diary, the dementors fascination with Harry, etc... seem to definately point to Harry being Voldemort's horcrux. I do hope this helps out those with the same idea!