"Glory Road" aka "Remember the Titans" [Archive] - Movie Fan Central Discussion Forums

beastieben21

12-24-2005, 11:40 AM

Me: I don't know what you guys are talking about, this movie looks great.

Coach: What do you mean you don't know what they're talking about? We've gotta pull together. Stay strong!

Black Teammate: Yah Cracka, you ain't like us, you don't eat greens, we can't be friends on the court, fo real.

Me: Yo homeboy, what's your deal? I don't see us ever seeing eye to eye. We need to put our beef aside and support this film.

(insert 45 minutes of scuffles between black and white players amidst the coaches personal life falling apart...UNTIL...black and white begin to co-exist and make it all the way to championship, inevitably winning or losing by a slim margin and inspiring this final second exchange)

Coach: They're not gonna give you ANYTHING. So you gotta go out there, and you gotta TAKE IT!

(We win, the races have united, and Jerry Bruckhiemer, by paininting thin stereotypes of both races, shows us how we can stop racial tension)

Black Teammate: Hey man...that was a good game yo. Maybe we can co-exist.

Me: Yeah, I'm glad we're on the same page. Glory Road is gonna ROCK.

Sigur509

12-24-2005, 04:20 PM

But those guys changed the way the game is played.

Lost in Space

12-26-2005, 04:41 PM

GOOD RANT!
fuck i was literaly about to post the same thing
now i knwo im new here so i dont have much credit so i gotta watch what i say
but.. that being said all these sports movie, Rember the Titans, Miracle, Friday Night lights to some extent Coach Carter are all the same movie
ok so there different sports
and now you throw in Glory Road man idk i know ppl love those movies but please be original even if the story is true idc if its true make someting up just make it good and original and stop milking the proverbial cash cow of Remember the Titans

the_sneaker

12-27-2005, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by beastieben21
Me: I don't know what you guys are talking about, this movie looks great.

Coach: What do you mean you don't know what they're talking about? We've gotta pull together. Stay strong!

Black Teammate: Yah Cracka, you ain't like us, you don't eat greens, we can't be friends on the court, fo real.

Me: Yo homeboy, what's your deal? I don't see us ever seeing eye to eye. We need to put our beef aside and support this film.

(insert 45 minutes of scuffles between black and white players amidst the coaches personal life falling apart...UNTIL...black and white begin to co-exist and make it all the way to championship, inevitably winning or losing by a slim margin and inspiring this final second exchange)

Coach: They're not gonna give you ANYTHING. So you gotta go out there, and you gotta TAKE IT!

(We win, the races have united, and Jerry Bruckhiemer, by paininting thin stereotypes of both races, shows us how we can stop racial tension)

Black Teammate: Hey man...that was a good game yo. Maybe we can co-exist.

Me: Yeah, I'm glad we're on the same page. Glory Road is gonna ROCK.

Haha. It's too true.

Mr. Fred Krueger

12-28-2005, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by the_sneaker
Anyone seen the trailers lately for the next Jerry Bruckheimer shit-fest Glory Road? Is it just me or is it Remember the Titans with basketball. Sure, it's based on a true story, but more than likey very loosely based on a true story. God, they even used the music from Remember the Titans in the trailer. I'm so sick and fucking tired of these recylced so-called "inspirational" sports movies that only make me want to do one thing: Get up and punch the nearest person.

All of these sports movies are all the same. Remember the Titans, Coach Carter, Glory Road--they're all the same crap.

William Munny

12-28-2005, 12:40 PM

Know what really gets my goat about this film?

The marketing, folks.

The trailer, which was solid enough for a film of this sort, advertises the director, James Gartner, as if he was some sort of auteur, or perhaps a certain acting legend once known as Jim Rockford.

Turns out this is James Gartner's first film.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1595280/

James Garner, acting legend, is in now way involved, and he still rocks.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001258/

FUCK YOU, Walt Disney Pictures, and everyone else involved in this shameless marketing ploy. It's ok to play up GARTNER'S role in this "Titans" knockoff but not director Bill Paxton, whose name was barely mentioned in the ads for his surprisingly good "The Greatest Game Ever Played"?

On a side note, Josh Lucas is the man, and I wish him the best beyond this project.

AceD

12-28-2005, 04:31 PM

"All of these sports movies are all the same. Remember the Titans, Coach Carter, Glory Road--they're all the same crap."

Yes, but you can say that about any sub-genre, and you'd pretty much be right. I don't have a problem if people don't want to see the movie, but to say that it's crap based on the trailer is just as silly as saying a movie is great based on it's trailer.

Using the REMEMBER THE TITANS music was a bit much, yes. But every genre's trailers end up being fairly similar.

I think that TITANS and MIRACLE were well done. COACH CARTER, REBOUND, and many others were not well done. I will probably check out GLORY ROAD because of Lucas and because the story was a very important thing and not just what one little high school did somewhere.

Bash the marketing, but not the movie.

the_sneaker

12-28-2005, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by AceD
Bash the marketing, but not the movie.

Okay, you've got a very solid point. I will admit that I did like Remember the Titans quite a bit, but once it started getting remade every year, it started to get very old.

However, you say we should bash the marketing, not the film. That is the problem here. Marketing is what gets people to see the movie. If the trailer is awful, has no point to it, etc, why would I pay to see the whole thing. When I see a trailer like Glory Road's, I think to myself that the filmmakers behind it just did not care enough about the project itself to give it a proper trailer (which is the most important marketing tool). So, if they didn't care enough about the project, what means it's going to be a good movie? I can easily believe that the execs. over at Disney and Bruckheimer knew that these "inspirational sports films" are a cash cow; in fact, I know they know that. And I would believe in a moment that that is the only reason they made this movie. God only knows they actually cared about the story or what really went on. They got some hotshot screenwriter to throw a script together, using the same format as all these other inspirational pieces of shit. Next, the hired your typical token black guys to play the black basketball players, including Derek Luke who seems to be the only black actor who can play basketball. Add some so-so dialouge, maybe a hint of sex, just a hint mind you (it is Disney). Mix and serve. Yeilds about $20 Million opening weekend.

So, what does that say to me? If the marketing is weak, the movie must be weak.

bigred760

12-30-2005, 07:46 AM

I like these inspirational sports movies though. Sure they get a little redundant, but they're entertaining, they're uplifting, and they've got some pretty good sports sequences. Sure they're comparing this to Remember the Titans, but I could probably name some similarities to Hoosiers by just looking at the trailer. Both very good movies in my eyes. Also liked last year's Miracle - just good stuff. :D

AceD

12-30-2005, 01:09 PM

"That is the problem here. Marketing is what gets people to see the movie. If the trailer is awful, has no point to it, etc, why would I pay to see the whole thing. When I see a trailer like Glory Road's, I think to myself that the filmmakers behind it just did not care enough about the project itself to give it a proper trailer (which is the most important marketing tool). So, if they didn't care enough about the project, what means it's going to be a good movie?"

Well, I totally understand where you personally are coming from, but on the other hand I think (and I think you'd agree) that Disney is MORE than happy with the trailer, because it will bring in exactly the audience they want -- families who went to see NARNIA who own TITANS, MIRACLE, etc. So I think the trailer gets the job done for what it wants to do. But I also get what you are saying in the sense that it doesn't give us any reason that we need to see it and why we can't just pop in TITANS again.

" I can easily believe that the execs. over at Disney and Bruckheimer knew that these "inspirational sports films" are a cash cow; in fact, I know they know that. And I would believe in a moment that that is the only reason they made this movie."

I agree 100%. However, maybe Lucas and the director and the others involved didn't phone in their jobs and will actually bring a decent entertainment to the table.

"I like these inspirational sports movies though. Sure they get a little redundant, but they're entertaining, they're uplifting, and they've got some pretty good sports sequences. Sure they're comparing this to Remember the Titans, but I could probably name some similarities to Hoosiers by just looking at the trailer. Both very good movies in my eyes. Also liked last year's Miracle - just good stuff"

Yes, yes yes. I too am a sucker for these types of films. Although I'm a little concerned over that alley-oop reverse dunk that is in the trailer -- I really hope that the basketball action is not going to be as ridiculous as COACH CARTER.

the_sneaker

12-31-2005, 05:02 PM

You're right AceD. I'm sure that the execs over at Disney are completely happy with the trailer because it will bring in the same folks who saw Narnia and other family-friendly films.

Look, I shouldn't go so far as to say that Glory Road is going to be a piece of shit. I'm sure James Gartner is a good director (though I've never seen any of his work). I know that the acting talent in it is great (especially Josh Lucas who is finally getting some notiriety after years of being in the dark behind Christian Bale, Russell Crowe, fuck, even Reese Witherspoon).

I guess these types of movies just seem wrong to me. Not what is being portrayed in them, but why they are being made. When I was 15 and first started to really have strong opinions on films, my best friend and I at the time always planned on making it big in Hollywood, but making it big our way. Meaning, not just making a movie to make money, not throwing in A-listers to bring in higher crowds, actually caring about the story we were trying to tell, putting hard work and dedication before our own greed...etc.

Years later, while I don't talk to that guy anymore, and my plans to make it big in Hollywood have gotten a little bit more believable and attainable, I still believe in those reasons.

I'm a movie lover at heart. I cannot even begin to describe what the motion picture industry has meant to me in my life. It will always be my goal to one day make a great film (whether or not it is huge is a moot point to me) that will get others to feel the same way about movies that I do.

So this is why I get utterly upset when I see something like Glory Road. Not because of the talent behind it, but because of the suits behind it...the executives. I'm sure the people at Disney and Bruckheimer could give two shits about what happened to these players...they just know it's gonna get millions in the box-office.

RobertPaulson

01-02-2006, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by AceD
[B]"All of these sports movies are all the same. Remember the Titans, Coach Carter, Glory Road--they're all the same crap."

Yes, but you can say that about any sub-genre, and you'd pretty much be right. I don't have a problem if people don't want to see the movie, but to say that it's crap based on the trailer is just as silly as saying a movie is great based on it's trailer.

great points AceD. great thread in general. Ive been looking forward to this movie because the story itself is so strong. A lot of people have known about and been proud of that Texas Western team for some time now and to see/read/hear people diss this movie without knowing the history upon which its based really stinks. anyway, I'll be seeing this one in the theater on Jan. 13.

Beeblebrox

01-02-2006, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by bigred760
Sure they're comparing this to Remember the Titans, but I could probably name some similarities to Hoosiers by just looking at the trailer.

Exactly. BOTH Titans and Glory Road rip off Hoosiers, and they all arguably rip off Knute Rockne All American. These are all genre films. And genre films by definition have distinct similarities; sports films in particular.

Ultimately the film has to stand on its own and must be judged on its own. And often the rip offs end up being superior films to the films they borrow from.

AceD

01-02-2006, 09:26 PM

"So this is why I get utterly upset when I see something like Glory Road. Not because of the talent behind it, but because of the suits behind it...the executives. I'm sure the people at Disney and Bruckheimer could give two shits about what happened to these players...they just know it's gonna get millions in the box-office."

You're right. But that is the nature of the business. And to add to that, every producer that puts up his money is in it for the money he'll get back. Maybe he believes in the project and what it stands for and the quality of the story (for example Lee Daniels, producer of MONSTER'S BALL and THE WOODSMAN), or maybe he just believes it will make some money (GLORY ROAD and countless sequels and rip-offs). But they are still in it to make the cash. For every independent film that does well, there are hundreds of others, many of greater quality, that don't make any money. So it's always a crapshoot.

And not to be trite....but if you work for Disney, you're going to have to sign shoo-in projects, or be pretty sure about the ones you back.

"often the rip offs end up being superior films to the films they borrow from"

Exactly. Let's be honest: Everyone who signed on to GLORY ROAD (to continue to use that as our example) knew that that it was a formulatic film. But with a good script, solid acting and apprpriate direction the film can work. And if it takes the spirit of the syrupy and feel good films (TITANS) and mixes it with the sports films that present a little bit of how the game is really played (MIRACLE, HOOSIERS) and finds the right mix of distinct but not totally one-dimensional characters, it can work really well. I think most of us here will have a decent time at the cinema if we choose to watch GLORY ROAD, since we know going in some of what to expect. If it exceeds our expectations and does all of the above, it's the type that stands firmly in its genre but also above it. Intelligent creators and artists of any kind will borrow elements from what has come before them.

Beeblebrox

01-02-2006, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by the_sneaker
When I was 15 and first started to really have strong opinions on films, my best friend and I at the time always planned on making it big in Hollywood, but making it big our way. Meaning, not just making a movie to make money, not throwing in A-listers to bring in higher crowds, actually caring about the story we were trying to tell, putting hard work and dedication before our own greed...etc.

This is making a VERY big assumption about Glory Road, that the creators of the movie only made the movie to make money or that the suits only greenlighted it for same.

And I'd hope that as an aspiring filmmaker yourself, you'd afford at least the writer/director/actors more slack than that unless you know for sure that's the case. How do you know they didn't make the movie because they wanted to tell this story? After all, the budget on the film was probably relatively modest and Josh Lucas is talented but there are inarguably bigger stars they could have gotten.

Second, while your aspirations are nice (if a little idealistic), you have to keep one point very much in perspective if you want to make a career in Hollywood. It's not your money. And the people who control the money have every right to pick what projects they want to make and which they don't. And before you start believing that every decision is based on pure, unbridled greed (it's a component to be sure, but certainly not the only one) remember that a movie is about the unsafest investment you can make this side of snake oil.

So by and large the people involved in movie-making are there because they want to make movies. No one "knows" that a film is going to make millions. Every film is a crap-shoot. Every film is a product of someone's passion or hard work or both. And every filmmaker wants their film to find an audience.

But true independence in film comes at a price. The more control you want, the more you have to be willing to put your own money where your mouth is. And if you want to play the studio game, then you pretty much have to play by the studio rules.

RobertPaulson

01-04-2006, 06:23 PM

away from the story/marketing critiques, is anybody looking forward to Luke, Lucas, and Voight being in this movie? I think that's another strong point of this film, personally.

This&chips

01-04-2006, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
This is making a VERY big assumption about Glory Road, that the creators of the movie only made the movie to make money or that the suits only greenlighted it for same.

Or...maybe they chose to make this film because it was an easy route to let certain newbies shine? I mean, this is the director's first feature and several of the actors have yet to really show what they can do...

the_sneaker

01-08-2006, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
This is making a VERY big assumption about Glory Road, that the creators of the movie only made the movie to make money or that the suits only greenlighted it for same.

It's not a big assumption at all. Everyone knows that these kind of producers/directors/writers not only exist, but do this kind of shit on a daily basis. Why do you think there are so many shitty remakes of classic films, or sequels to popular films that didn't need to be made?

Can you honestly tell me that the filmmakers involved in Doom loved the story and wanted the world to hear it? Please.

Beeblebrox

01-09-2006, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by the_sneaker
Everyone knows that these kind of producers/directors/writers not only exist, but do this kind of shit on a daily basis.

I work with these people, and not only are you insanely ignorant, but you falsely believe the worst about people that you're probably going to need to help you out some day if you truly want to make movies for a living. And no one likes it when someone who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about (you) make a lot of negative baseless assumptions about them.

And even if it were as true as you think it is, it doesn't make it true about Glory Road, which is neither a remake nor a sequel.

It would be just as accurate for me to assume about you, since it's legitimate to you to make that assumption about EVERYONE in the movie business, that the only reason you want to get involved in movies is for the money.

Why do you think there are so many shitty remakes of classic films, or sequels to popular films that didn't need to be made?

Screenwriter John August was asked this question recently and answered as well as it could be answered:

I have two theories why.

The first is fear. We tend to think of studios as faceless corporations, but in reality, the decision to make a given movie rests with a very small number of people. At some studios, a single studio chief has the power to greenlight a movie. At others, it’s a committee of maybe four or five. Either way, it’s their call.

Let’s pretend you are a studio chief.

If you pick the right movie, and it’s a giant hit, you’re a hero. You get millions of dollars in bonuses. You move up a few notches on the “Power 100″ list.

If you pick the wrong movie, and it’s a bomb, you get fired. Maybe you can get by with a few bombs. But eventually, you will get canned.

Which movies will you choose to make? Probably the ones you know you can market. The ones which, even if they’re not blockbusters, probably won’t be disasters either.

Basically, you make Spider-Man, King Kong or The Dukes of Hazzard.

Because as much as you love movies, you’re afraid of making a bomb. You’re afraid of getting fired. And if one of your sure-fire hits ends up tanking (c.f. Bewitched), you can at least defend why you tried to make it. Had you spent the same amount of money on a riskier project, you’d be in a worse situation career-wise.

My second theory for why fewer movies are coming from original scripts: control. Producers and studios want to drive the process. They don’t want to be beholden to a screenwriter’s vision. They’d rather buy the rights to a book, then hire a screenwriter to adapt it. (Or better, look through the vault for a film they can remake.)

For the producer or studio executive, there’s something comfortingly abstract about the rights to, say, Knight Rider. Properties like Knight Rider are very much like pieces of real estate. The studio owns them, and wants to build something incredible on them. Never mind that it would make a lot more sense — and be a lot less expensive — to build somewhere else. I often compare screenwriting to architecture, and this is another example. People hire Frank Gehry to build them a house on swampland.

An Academy Award-winning writer could pitch the most kick-ass movie imaginable, and the studio would still say, “How about Knight Rider? We just got the rights! We’re thinking Kevin Spacey for K.I.T.T.”

Sigh.

But while Hollywood isn’t making as many original movies as it used to, one really has to consider independent film, which didn’t exist to nearly the same degree a decade or two ago. Taken as a whole, the film industry still has plenty of room for original voices. But you won’t get paid as much, unless you incorporate a talking robotic car.

RobertPaulson

01-10-2006, 01:21 PM

I saw Glory Road at a sneak preview last night and must respond to the negativity in this thread. First, Lucas does a great job as Don Haskins portraying the life of a coach who lived through a pretty damn significant historical event in leading Texas Western to the national championship. Second, the basketball scenes had the audience cheering and yelling like they were at a live basketball game. Third, the humor was funny and had a lot of people laughing, several different times.

it's really quite good.

the_sneaker

01-10-2006, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
I work with these people, and not only are you insanely ignorant, but you falsely believe the worst about people that you're probably going to need to help you out some day if you truly want to make movies for a living.

So, you're saying you work with every single writer/producer/actor/director/filmmaker and you can vouche that absolutely none of them do what they do simply for money?

And no one likes it when someone who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about (you) make a lot of negative baseless assumptions about them

If anyone here is ignorant, it is you because I can tell you right off the bat, buddy, that you cannot claim that there isn't a filmmaker out there who isn't it in for the fame or fortune. You're not the only person who works with filmmakers, Beeblebrox.

You call me idealistic for becoming a filmmaker because I have a passion for it as if it is a bad thing. Sure, I could be very wrong in my interpretation of Glory Road's trailer, but I wasn't the only person who thinks/thought that it was borrowing too much from Remember the Titans' success.

These are not baseless assumptions, Beeblebrox. I think it's rather humerous that you think they are when you know that these people operate on a daily basis.

Beeblebrox

01-10-2006, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by the_sneaker
Sure, I could be very wrong in my interpretation of Glory Road's trailer, but I wasn't the only person who thinks/thought that it was borrowing too much from Remember the Titans' success.

You're basing all of your ignorant blathering about Hollywood on the trailer?! Oh good grief. Why am I wasting my time with you?

So no less of an authority than John August, who works with these people on a daily basis, is telling you how things really are, but you won't listen to someone with actual experience because you watched a goddamned movie trailer and so you just know how it is.

With that kind of open mind, I'll bet your movies are amazing.

the_sneaker

01-10-2006, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
You're basing all of your ignorant blathering about Hollywood on the trailer?! Oh good grief. Why am I wasting my time with you?

So no less of an authority than John August, who works with these people on a daily basis, is telling you how things really are, but you won't listen to someone with actual experience because you watched a goddamned movie trailer and so you just know how it is.

With that kind of open mind, I'll bet your movies are amazing.

Wow, calm down there, buddy. Have you even taken any type of marketing class? The trailer is the most important marketing tool thsee filmmakers have. I don't care if your film is an Oscar contender, the next Grapes of Wrath, if the trailer is awful, if it looks like it was thrown together in ten minutes, I won't go see it.

Now, Beeblebrox, if you had read the above posts before replying, instead of blurting on and on about the man who wrote both Charlie's Angel's, you would know that I never stated that I "knew" how Glory Road was going to be or turn out. How many times did I state that I could be wrong? All this thread was about was my view on how they were marketing it, and how they weren't doing a very good job of making it look good.

I know you're proud of yourself for following such brilliant writer's as John August (cause, I mean Corpse Bride rocked my world :rolleyes:), but just because you work with people who have different opinions than I do, and just because we don't see eye-to-eye, doesn't mean I'm wrong and you're right.

Get off your high horse, Beeblebrox.

Beeblebrox

01-10-2006, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by the_sneaker
[B]Wow, calm down there, buddy. Have you even taken any type of marketing class? The trailer is the most important marketing tool thsee filmmakers have.

And in this marketing class you took, did they somehow inform you that the trailer says something about the motivation of the filmmakers? Because if so, you should get your money back.

I know you're proud of yourself for following such brilliant writer's as John August (cause, I mean Corpse Bride rocked my world :rolleyes:), but just because you work with people who have different opinions than I do, and just because we don't see eye-to-eye, doesn't mean I'm wrong and you're right.

What you don't seem to understand is that your statement is based on NOTHING (beyond a movie trailer). It's full of baseless and ignorant assumptions.

Whereas John August, and to a lesser extent myself, actually work in Hollywood in the film business with the people you're slamming. Saying they are motivated only by money is not a matter of opinion. You're making a declarative statement. And yes, in this case, you are wrong and August is right. That's not me on a high horse. That's someone knowing more than you about this particular issue than you do.

And believe me, knowing more about this than you is no big accomplishment.

the_sneaker

01-10-2006, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
And in this marketing class you took, did they somehow inform you that the trailer says something about the motivation of the filmmakers? Because if so, you should get your money back.

What you don't seem to understand is that your statement is based on NOTHING (beyond a movie trailer). It's full of baseless and ignorant assumptions.

Whereas John August, and to a lesser extent myself, actually work in Hollywood in the film business with the people you're slamming. Saying they are motivated only by money is not a matter of opinion. You're making a declarative statement. And yes, in this case, you are wrong and August is right. That's not me on a high horse. That's someone knowing more than you about this particular issue than you do.

And believe me, knowing more about this than you is no big accomplishment.

Wow I bet you're a fun person to be around in person.

Why do they release trialers, Beeblebrox? Is it just for fun? No, it's for marketing. Studios release trailers for one purpose and one purpose alone: to let people know about the film they are releasing. Now, I don't ever remember saying in my original post that I knew for a fact that the filmmakers behind Glory Road are in fact in it for the money or fame. I never said that. All I said was that I was sick of these inspirationial feel-good movies that usually amount to nothing.

And for your information, any good filmmaker would know that a trailer should show the motivation behind the film and filmmakers. I want to know why a particular person felt inspired to make a movie. It takes so much time and effort to go from page to screen and sometimes it seems just so pointless in the end. So, yeah, I'd like to know.

Also, don't bother plugging any more information about John August to me. I really could care less about what he or you have to say. I'm not knocking him personally (because I don't know him personally), but other than his adaptation of Big Fish, his credits don't exactly wow me. And just because you work in Hollywood, does not necessarily mean you know any more about this subject than I do. For all I know, you're a busboy at a resturaunt in Hollywood and have had one or two jobs as an extra on the set of Will and Grace.

I don't know everything there is to know about what does and does not go on in Hollywood. But assuming that you do prooves to me why people like you make me despise the majority of Hollywood.

Nice going, buddy! You proved my point!

AmunRaTRON

01-10-2006, 08:18 PM

the only thing i will say about remember the titans is that its apart of my towns history. i have grown up in springfield virginia, 5 minutes away from alexandria and T.C. williams high. This movie was a big thing around town, and some of us (and by us i mean the older people in the community) were a little miffed at the end result of remember the titans, the tension wasnt portrayed corectly, that brings me to my point. The problem with this sub-genre is that they try to be family films set in an ugly time. You cant afford to not shot the nitty gritty, i mean the hard core stuff that both the black and white players went through. thats the main issue , i feel at least , with these movies.

Beeblebrox

01-10-2006, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by the_sneaker
[B]Wow I bet you're a fun person to be around in person.

Around people who refuse to listen to anyone who knows more than themselves about a topic and choose willfully to remain ignorant as you've done in this thread, I concede to you that I'm no fun to be around. Luckily for me (and them), I'm not around people like that very often.

I really could care less about what he or you have to say.

I know. That's the problem. Look how proud you are: "I don't care that someone has more knowledge than me; I don't like his work, so therefore my baseless assumption is just as valid as his informed and knowledgeable assertions about the industry!"

You're under the mistaken impression that all opinions are created equal, that just because someone has worked in a field and has years of experience, that your assertions about their field are equally valid to theirs (or better yet, that just because you don't like their work, it invalidates their knowledge of the industry; wow).

And that's a real tragedy with this generation. I call it the American Idol syndrome since it reminds me of these guys on American Idol who try and argue with the judges, as if singing talent is just a matter of opinion and that they can simply disagree with the more knowledgable judges. They too believe that all opinions are created equal.

If I'm sick, I go to a doctor. If I want to know about physics, I'll ask a scientist. I don't spout my idiotic opinions in the face of someone with more knowledge and claim that my opinion is just as valid. Obviously, you feel differently. That attitude should pose no problems whatsoever with your future endeavors, so have at it.

I don't know everything there is to know about what does and does not go on in Hollywood. But assuming that you do prooves to me why people like you make me despise the majority of Hollywood.

You're going to despise "Hollywood" anyway, because that makes you feel better about yourself. But I don't pretend to know everything and never said I did. I said I know more than you about it, and I do. That's almost certainly a fact. But it's a fact you can't deal with, so there's not a lot I can do after pointing it out except move on.

Beeblebrox

01-10-2006, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by the_sneaker
Why do they release trialers, Beeblebrox? Is it just for fun? No, it's for marketing. Studios release trailers for one purpose and one purpose alone: to let people know about the film they are releasing.

And btw, trailers are not intended to show the motivation of the filmmaker. Trailers are about getting asses in seats. Period. So if a studio is marketing a basketball movie, and Remember The Titans or Hoosiers was a huge hit, they're going to capitalize on the audience's familiarity of that film in order to get them to see this film. So they're going to try and play up those aspects of that film in order to make the audience believe that this film has all the elements they loved in previous films.

But only a total layman would imagine that this in any way spoke to the motivation of the filmmakers themselves (who often have little to no say in the cutting of the trailers) or that this necessarily reflected every aspect of the movie being advertised. All you have to do is be hornswaggled by one or two movie trailers into seeing a movie that didn't turn out to be what you expected to know this isn't the case.

the_sneaker

01-10-2006, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
You're going to despise "Hollywood" anyway, because that makes you feel better about yourself. But I don't pretend to know everything and never said I did. I said I know more than you about it, and I do. That's almost certainly a fact. But it's a fact you can't deal with, so there's not a lot I can do after pointing it out except move on.

No, I'm not going to despise Hollywood anyway. And how, exactly would that make me feel any better?

Tell me, can you prove to me that you know more than I do? Or are you just going to keep spouting it. Speaking of pride...:rolleyes:.

Tell you what, I'm going to leave this argument now, because arguing with you is like arguing with a small child; you remind me of my ex: you always have to be right.

I'm sorry I ever doubted you, sir. Let us all bow down and praise Beeblebrox for the amount of knowlegde he has.

the_sneaker

01-10-2006, 10:09 PM

Sorry guys, let's get back on track here. I know a few of you have seen the film and say it is rather good. What are more of your thoughts on it.

Winston Wolfe

01-10-2006, 10:15 PM

The next person to call a fellow schmoe "ignorant" is getting banned from our board. We don't normally give our WARNINGS as such -- as you should ALL know the rules by now -- but seeing as some of you have over 1000 posts, we're gonna let this one slide.

In case you needed a reminder, let's repeat: WE DO NOT INSULT ANYONE ON THE JOBLO.COM BOARDS. We RESPECT everyone's right to their opinion, even if we disagree with them. If you can't make your points without knocking someone else, you're not made for our happy little forum here.

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Thank you.

Beeblebrox

01-10-2006, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by the_sneaker
Tell me, can you prove to me that you know more than I do?

What would you like to know?

AceD

01-11-2006, 12:12 AM

Getting back to movies....GLORY ROAD seems to be generating a little bit of positive buzz and apparently pushes the limits of the PG rating (before anyone makes a smart remark, I already feel silly typing that). It seems that the film will take a more realistic look at racism and some of the ramifications of it than TITANS did. Most of us have read about how the TITANS script was suppossedly cut down from what would have been an R rating due to language and such...personally I don't have any problem with TITANS as clean-cut as it is, because I don't think it is claiming to be a hard look at racism in America, but is a film families can watch together (on the other hand, I don't think the movie is totally condescending either).

Anyway. I'm glad that GLORY ROAD is apparently a more realistic look, mostly because since the film will probably be actually something close to a true story. And I'm very interested to see the film's portrayal of Coach Rupp.

the_sneaker

01-11-2006, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by AceD
Getting back to movies....GLORY ROAD seems to be generating a little bit of positive buzz and apparently pushes the limits of the PG rating (before anyone makes a smart remark, I already feel silly typing that). It seems that the film will take a more realistic look at racism and some of the ramifications of it than TITANS did. Most of us have read about how the TITANS script was suppossedly cut down from what would have been an R rating due to language and such...personally I don't have any problem with TITANS as clean-cut as it is, because I don't think it is claiming to be a hard look at racism in America, but is a film families can watch together (on the other hand, I don't think the movie is totally condescending either).

Anyway. I'm glad that GLORY ROAD is apparently a more realistic look, mostly because since the film will probably be actually something close to a true story. And I'm very interested to see the film's portrayal of Coach Rupp.

To be honest, you've convinced me. I'll have to check this out next chance I get.