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[DrBlonde]

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Do you guys think that Jake's character was killed by homophobes? Do you think Jake's wife knew he was gay WITH Heath? Same thing with his parents?

Whatever happened to the married guy at the restaurant with the talkative wife? What happened there? Was it with HIM that he was caught?

Also, anybody find the two rush into being gay a bit too quick in the tent? I was tihnking they would have a few drinks and kiss. But like, they were sleeping, Jake PURPOSELY puts his hand there? And then they go at it like ANIMALS! And how did Jake know he was the one to take it in the ass?

Also, would you say Jake was gay prior to meeting him?

[DRbeauty]

I think Jake had done it with guys before. That was my impression that I got out of it because it looked like he knew what he was doing where as Heath was all freaked out.

Yeah I think Jake was killed by the homophobes. It makes sense. The tire exploding in his face? Come on.

And fucking like animals is the only way to do it my friend

[BorderEevilIII]

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I just went *HELLO!* when Jake for just the heck grabs Heath's hand and puts it around him when they were in the tent. I took less than 5 seconds for Ledger to go WHAT THE...... But ya gotta figure Heath's character was possibly exhibiting signs of maybe he was BI-Curious or maybe just gay period and in sheer denial.

I don't think Hathaway's character knew for an inch that Jake likes playin w/ the boyz more than her cause when she talks w. Ledger over the phone she mentions Brokeback Mountain and she had NO clue where it was or if there was such a place.

As for the married guy flirtin w. Jake it doesn't take a genius w. a good GAYDAR to figure out which team you play on. As seen in the movie the guy suggested that they should get together but didn't materialize cause the wives came right out to meet w. the husbands who where sitting outside.

[DrBlonde]

yeha but when hathaway is on the phone you see jake's character get caught for being gay? how else would they catch him? they would never find out about heath. and heath was mad at him for having an outside of their relationship sexual life. maybe he did meet up with that guy and thats how he got caught? considering that that guy lives in town, where their secret is more vulnerable to come out.

[BorderEevilIII]

Originally posted by DrBlonde
and heath was mad at him for having an outside of their relationship sexual life. maybe he did meet up with that guy and thats how he got caught? considering that that guy lives in town, where their secret is more vulnerable to come out.




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Jake's character was soooo ready to dump his straight life for Ledger but he was not ready to make the commitment. He just wanted to keep things casual or better yet on the down low. And Jake gets pissed when he learns that they can't do their thing cause Jake learns that Ledger brought his girls because he got divorced from Williams and was doin the joint custody scenario blah blah blah. Thus that is why Jake runs off and meets up w/ the trick in the alley. So I don't recall Ledger getting pissed at Jake for messing around cause they were not offically goin together they were more like f*@k buddies IMO. And Jake's death could have been a gay bashing but was not fully clear. Just leaves you the viewer at your own conclusion.

[DRbeauty]

Well their boss knew what they were up to when he said, you guys found a way to make the time pass. And somebody saw when they were fucking in the tent. And I think Heath was pissed that Jake was fucking around because he loved him, and yeah I think he was gay bashed because people knew what they were doing

[DrBlonde]

i could have sworn that during their last trip to brokeback where they fight, hetah freaks out cause of jake sleeping around.

[MadsenOMC]

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Originally posted by DrBlonde
i could have sworn that during their last trip to brokeback where they fight, hetah freaks out cause of jake sleeping around.

I believe that is correct. Jake says that a couple of "high altitude fucks" every year may be enough for Heath, but it's not enough for him. So he goes to Mexico to get some loving.

[dannywalker17]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
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I believe that is correct. Jake says that a couple of "high altitude fucks" every year may be enough for Heath, but it's not enough for him. So he goes to Mexico to get some loving.

That is correct. I've seen it three times. Ennis tells Jack he can't take off work in August, so Jack gets angry and says something about going where it's warm, like Mexico, and Ennis says he knows what they have in Mexico for boys like Jack. Ennis basically is so mad about it that he tells Jack he'd kill him if he knew what he was doing:

Ennis: I'm gonna tell you this one time, Jack fuckin' Twist, an' I ain't foolin'. What I don't know - all them things I don't know - could get you killed if I come to know them. I ain't jokin'.
Jack: Yeah well try this one, and I'll say it just once!
Ennis: Go ahead!
Jack: Tell you what, we coulda had a good life together, fuckin' real good life! Had us a place of our own. But you didn't want it, Ennis! So what we got now is Brokeback Mountain! Everything's built on that, that's all we got boy, fuckin' all. So I hope you know that if you don't never know the rest! You count the damn few times we have been together in nearly twenty years and you measure the short fucking leash you keep me on, and then you ask me about Mexico and tell me you'll kill me for needing somethin' I don't hardly never get. You have no idea how bad it gets! I'm not you... I can't make it on a coupla high-altitude fucks once or twice a year! You are too much for me Ennis, son of a whoreson bitch... I wish I knew how to quit you.
Ennis: Well why don't you? Why don't you just let me be, huh? Because of you, Jack, that I'm like this. I'm nothing... and nowhere.


As far as Jack's death goes, it's my interpretation that somehow people found out about him (likely something having to do with the other ranch guy who suggested they go away) and he was taken into a field (probably after actually having a flat) and beaten to death. Naturally, Lureen and her family would make up a cover story, because they aren't going to go around telling the truth. She knew. You could see it in her eyes, and the way she talked you could tell that she finally knew for sure that Ennis was more than just Jack's fishing buddy. Also, I think it's pretty clear that Jack's parents figured it out too. Somebody on IMDb theorized that the brown bag that Jack's mother gave Ennis to hold the shirts also contained the ashes, but I'm not sure I believe that.

And regarding the jumping right into anal sex, remember they WERE drunk, and also, as someone said, I think Jack probably had some previous experience that made him bolder. Remember at the beginning when he's eyeing Ennis in the side view mirror as he shaves?

[DRbeauty]

You know I just don't believe Lureen knew. I don't know why. Maybe she did but I don't know. And as far as Jack's parents knowing, definitely. Especially the way his father was. What a depressing story. But true to life. life is not always raindrops and gummy bears.

[HilfigerB2]

I definately think that Lureen knew that Jack was gay and even think she could have possilby ran her mouth to somebody from town and they couldve gotten there people together to kill him. It was a good movie, a little slow in the beginning, but really was a good film - quite sad and I really think towards the end it got a lot better. For the tent scene it kind of caught me off guard I also thought it was a little too fast. But to each his own. I dont think the ashes were in the brown paper bag given to Ennis because that bag was flat on the counter when Jack's mom picked it up and then she placed the shirts in there and rolled it up, so I seriously doubt there were ashes in there... and if there were I dont see the dad being as ignorant as he was just standing by and letting Ennis take the ashes. Back to Lureen, I do not think she seemed too upset that her husband had died.. I mean they were split up and all but had been married for quite a while, she seemed more pissed than anything.. which I understand she was probably hurt by him being gay and denying himself to her BUT I would still think she would have some kind of emotion there.

[dannywalker17]

Originally posted by HilfigerB2
I dont think the ashes were in the brown paper bag given to Ennis because that bag was flat on the counter when Jack's mom picked it up and then she placed the shirts in there and rolled it up, so I seriously doubt there were ashes in there...

I think you're right.

[DRbeauty]

Originally posted by HilfigerB2
I Back to Lureen, I do not think she seemed too upset that her husband had died.. I mean they were split up and all but had been married for quite a while, she seemed more pissed than anything.. which I understand she was probably hurt by him being gay and denying himself to her BUT I would still think she would have some kind of emotion there.

I think she was upset. There were definitely tears in her eyes when she was talking to Ennis but she was trying to hold herself back.

[UBER_MAX]

My interpretation was that Jack Twist was bashed to death by homophobes. The images shown could've been from Lureen's mind and not neccessarily from Ennis. This is why I think she knew about Jack and Ennis being more than just fishing buddies, when she spoke to Ennis on the phone, it seemed she was doing so in an emotional state, yet also with controlled anger, perhaps directed at both Jack and Ennis.

[bigred760]

I think Jack was killed by bigots - yes. And I don't know if the missus knew he was gay, but she knew it was a loveless marriage - both ways. I'm betting the only reason they got hitched in the first place was because she got pregnant. I didn't see any more kids their way. It didn't seem to me that she cared that much while explaining his death to Ennis.

I think Jack and talkative's husband had frequent trysts - behind Ennis's back. It was slightly mentioned at the end at Jack's parent's house. That's how Ennis (and the rest of us) finds out about it.

[max]

Do you guys think that Jake's character was killed by homophobes?

You're missing the point. It doesn't really matter how Jack actually died. What matters is how Ennis thinks he died. The real tragedy here is the guilt that Ennis has to live with for the rest of his life. He feels responsible for Jack's death. He feels regret for not being there to protect him; hence, the shirt reversal followed by "Jack, I swear..." at the end of the movie.

[UseYourIllusion]

Originally posted by max
You're missing the point. It doesn't really matter how Jack actually died. What matters is how Ennis thinks he died. The real tragedy here is the guilt that Ennis has to live with for the rest of his life. He feels responsible for Jack's death. He feels regret for not being there to protect him; hence, the shirt reversal followed by "Jack, I swear..." at the end of the movie.

Exactly. That's how I always interpretted it, and I think the setup scene where Ennis explains what his father showed him as a kid is where the "beaten by homophobes" thing comes from. As you stated, Ennis feels responsible for his death now, and thats how he percieves it to have happened based on his experience. You knew he was paranoid about his sexual orientation, as evidenced by how he spoke about feeling like everyone is watching him when he enters town, like they know what he does. The other thing that showed me that he was paranoid about the whole thing was the way that he blew up at his ex-wife when she said she knew.