I'm officially cursed.

[jackson13]

I'm gonna give up rooting for sports teams, I swear.

I'm a die hard Cub fan. They never win.

During the world series, I rooted for the Astros. Sox swept em.

In the NBA, I was a Laker fan. They won the title 3 times since I became a fan, and have sucked every year since that.

In the NFL, I am a Colts fan. This year, I bought my very first piece of Colts memorabilia (a t-shirt). I wore it today to support them.

They lost.


They no sooner lost, and the Bears game was coming up. I said 'Go Bears'.

They lost.

I like Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart and Dale Junior in Nascar. Gordon and Junior sucked it up this year. Tony won the points championship, but didnt win hardly any races.

In the WWE, any guy I want to be pushed or win a title, loses.

Any team/person I root for, loses.

There is no 'Curse of the Billy Goat' for the Cubs. It's called 'A Guy Named Nathan From Indiana Likes Them Therefore They Will Suck Curse'.



If I didnt have bad luck I'd have no luck at all. And quite frankly, I'd rather have no luck.

[screamer581]

Well if it makes you feel any better....I am a Lions fan.

[brodeurnumber1]

Uhm, just because the Lakers had one bad year doesn't mean they've sucked every since they have won 3 straight(they went to the playoffs twice and went to the finals once in 3 years). The Colts make the playoffs every year, so what if they don't make it to the big game. The Cubs are the Cubs, but they are in fine shape to contend.

And try being a Lions fan, it's much worse than being a Lakers, Colts, Cubs, or whatever the hell else fan. They haven't had a consistent QB or good coach in about 40 or so years. Not too mention, they have never been to a Superbowl, and went to ONE conference championship game, where they got whomped.

[Rated R]

My teams:

Montreal Canadiens - Okay, so they are the most storied franchise in NHL history, but they haven't been to the show since '93 and really show no signs of improving enough to return any time soon...oh no.

Miami Dolphins - Making strides but if they couldn't win with Marino, I just don't know.

St. Louis Cardinals - Great team every year, but they choke worse than the Indy Colts

Utah Jazz - When they had Malone, the Bulls had Jordan, nuff said.


I don't think I'll see any of my teams win for a while, maybe even in my lifetime...so I'd say I'm pretty cursed. Although I for some twisted reason would rather be the underdog than the dynasty who wins every year or half the decade...just me.

[bfox1220]

Jackson you should consider yourself lucky because at least you have teams like the Colts that give excitment. i know its fustrating when they lose but you have to apreciate it when they do and consider hoiw other fans feel when there teams go 4-12. And with the Lakers, ur being alittle greedy winning 3 straight titles is huge there are some people who never see there team win ONE title. Now I'm not completly sure but i think that Tony Stewart won like 3 or 4 races in a row at one point.

If your wondering where im coming from, here are my teams....

Yankees- I am a diehard Yankees fan and it is rough because the same thing that happened to you with the lakers is happening to me with the yankees.They consistanly win and spend money and you feel like they should win every year and when they dont,even if they make it to the playoffs, you forget that we should apreeciate just getting there

Islanders-Wow, I thought they had a great team coming out of the strike but i was wrong on that one.

Knicks-Larry Brown was SUPPOSED to turn it around but instead they were sitting with the worst record in the league (although they have won 6 in a row)

Giants- Man i love my Giants and may be the only one that believes that Eli Manning is the naswer to this team. I am gratefull tehy made it to the playoffs but c'mon shutout by the panthers..ouch.

[RustyRazor]

Originally posted by bfox1220


Knicks-Larry Brown was SUPPOSED to turn it around but instead they were sitting with the worst record in the league (although they have won 6 in a row)




Rome weren't built in a day, and with the contract nightmares in the Knicks camp, they're doing what they can.

Funny thing, I used to believe in the curse thing myself, but it's unfounded.

The Colts are so talented and have so many weapons, but when playoffs come, the pressure is too much for them to overcome.

Don't sweat it, Jackson. I'm a Knicks/GIants/Mets/Ranges/Islanders/Devils supporter. Long term patience is a staple for me.

There's no curse. Just good days and bad days.

[bob]

My franchises always consistently win, even if they don't make it that far in the playoffs, it's always a joy to watch them play, period.

Go Avs/Sens/Yankees/Red Sox/Broncos/Nuggets!

I know, I like the Yankees and the Red Sox. I'm a freak. I'm over it.

[screamer581]

Originally posted by bob

I know, I like the Yankees and the Red Sox. I'm a freak. I'm over it.


Is that even legal?:D

[bfox1220]

the thing with Larry Brown that still gives me hopes with the Knicks is that he never really does anything spectacular in his first year of coaching a team but usually the next year is when they go somewhere.

[bfox1220]

Originally posted by bob
My franchises always consistently win, even if they don't make it that far in the playoffs, it's always a joy to watch them play, period.

Go Avs/Sens/Yankees/Red Sox/Broncos/Nuggets!

I know, I like the Yankees and the Red Sox. I'm a freak. I'm over it.

How is that even possible?????? Who do you root for with a trip to the series on the line??

[TheDeadWalk]

Cincinnati Bengals

Cleveland Browns


Nuff said.

[screamer581]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
Cincinnati Bengals

Cleveland Browns


Nuff said.


At least one of them made the playoffs this year..... Again, Lions fan here.

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by screamer581
At least one of them made the playoffs this year..... Again, Lions fan here.

Exactly. Lion fans misery outweighs EVERY fan ever.

[Pulp_Joker]

Originally posted by brodeurnumber1
Exactly. Lion fans misery outweighs EVERY fan ever.

Lest us not forget about the Tigers here my friends. They still suck and will suck for yeras on end. God damn Tigers. They are just as bad as the Lions.

[screamer581]

Well, at least we have the Pistons and the Wings.

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by Pulp_Joker
Lest us not forget about the Tigers here my friends. They still suck and will suck for yeras on end. God damn Tigers. They are just as bad as the Lions.

We have some damn good prospects, so I'm holding out hope. But for all the sakes of Michigan people hating me, for some reason I'm a Devils fan. I was pushed into it when I was about 4, but I'm still a fan of the Wings.

[bfox1220]

Just a question for you lions fans???
Would you still go with joey harrington?

[Pulp_Joker]

Originally posted by screamer581
Well, at least we have the Pistons and the Wings.

Problem with that is, I don't watch hockey (yes, I am the lone person in Michigan that does not enjoy hockey). But with Joe D in charge, the Pistons are going to be good for years to come.

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by screamer581
At least one of them made the playoffs this year..... Again, Lions fan here.

Exactly. Lion fans misery outweighs EVERY fan ever.


I'm sorry. I respect the Lions, and Lions fans, ironic as it is considering they are a team from the state of Michigan.

However, I think that many Lions fans like to completely exaggerate how bad they've got things. They likely have it the worst or close to the worst now, but the Lions haven't been through shit like Cincinnati has.

Sam Wyche's last year as head coach came was in 1991. After winning 3 and losing 13,

David Shula (son of legendary Miami Dolphins coach Don Shula) was promoted from WR position coach to head coach in 1992 as the youngest NFL head coach. His last full season was 1995. Shula lost his job after starting the 1996 season 1-6. Shula accumulated win/loss record was 19-52.

Former Bengals' tight end and long-time offensive coordinator, Bruce Coslet took over the coaching duties midway through the 1996 season and coached the Bengals through 1999. Coslet resigned after the first three games of the 2000 season, losing his last game to the Baltimore Ravens 37-0. Coslet won 21 and lost 39 as Bengals' head coach.

Dick Lebeau, former DB for Detriot, filled the coaching vacancy left by Coslet. He was the defensive coordinator for the Bengals under Coslet after being coordinator for the division rival Pittsburgh Steelers. Lebeau led the Bengals to a season record of 4-12 in 2000.

Lebeau went 12-33 as head coach. His last season was a franchise worst 2-14 and had the worst winning percentage of all non-interim Bengal coaches of 26.67%

source: wikipedia

All of this leads from the Bengals last playoff appearance in 1990. Let's also not forget 1st round draft busts like David Klingler QB Houston, Dan Wilkinson DT Ohio St., Ki-Jana Carter RB Penn St., Akili Smith QB Oregon, and Peter Warrick WR Florida St.

Cinci went a decade and a half of nothing but shit and one 8-8 season. They make the playoffs, yes, but it's still a fucking complete nightmare. Carson Palmer's first pass results in him blowing out his god-damn knee as the only noise to be heard in Paul Brown Stadium is the simulatenous squish of each and every Bengal fan's heart.

The Lions have only been shitty since 2001. If you add Matt Millen, Mariucci, Harrington, Barry's early retirement, Charles Rogers, and all of the fans woes and wrap them into a giant ball, it still won't equal half of the despair that has been put through a single Bengal fan.

Maybe when you go a decade without a winning season(I'll spot you five years ;) ) can the Lions be held in the same conversation with what happened in Cincinnati.

[Rated R]

Also DeadWalk, considering that Carson Palmer (who was looking like Jesus in Cincinnati) might never play again then you might come right back down to hell after getting a tease of a season.

[Pulp_Joker]

Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
I'm sorry. I respect the Lions, and Lions fans, ironic as it is considering they are a team from the state of Michigan.

However, I think that many Lions fans like to completely exaggerate how bad they've got things. They likely have it the worst or close to the worst now, but the Lions haven't been through shit like Cincinnati has.

Sam Wyche's last year as head coach came was in 1991. After winning 3 and losing 13,

David Shula (son of legendary Miami Dolphins coach Don Shula) was promoted from WR position coach to head coach in 1992 as the youngest NFL head coach. His last full season was 1995. Shula lost his job after starting the 1996 season 1-6. Shula accumulated win/loss record was 19-52.

Former Bengals' tight end and long-time offensive coordinator, Bruce Coslet took over the coaching duties midway through the 1996 season and coached the Bengals through 1999. Coslet resigned after the first three games of the 2000 season, losing his last game to the Baltimore Ravens 37-0. Coslet won 21 and lost 39 as Bengals' head coach.

Dick Lebeau, former DB for Detriot, filled the coaching vacancy left by Coslet. He was the defensive coordinator for the Bengals under Coslet after being coordinator for the division rival Pittsburgh Steelers. Lebeau led the Bengals to a season record of 4-12 in 2000.

Lebeau went 12-33 as head coach. His last season was a franchise worst 2-14 and had the worst winning percentage of all non-interim Bengal coaches of 26.67%

source: wikipedia

All of this leads from the Bengals last playoff appearance in 1990. Let's also not forget 1st round draft busts like David Klingler QB Houston, Dan Wilkinson DT Ohio St., Ki-Jana Carter RB Penn St., Akili Smith QB Oregon, and Peter Warrick WR Florida St.

Cinci went a decade and a half of nothing but shit and one 8-8 season. They make the playoffs, yes, but it's still a fucking complete nightmare. Carson Palmer's first pass results in him blowing out his god-damn knee as the only noise to be heard in Paul Brown Stadium is the simulatenous squish of each and every Bengal fan's heart.

The Lions have only been shitty since 2001. If you add Matt Millen, Mariucci, Harrington, Barry's early retirement, Charles Rogers, and all of the fans woes and wrap them into a giant ball, it still won't equal half of the despair that has been put through a single Bengal fan.

Maybe when you go a decade without a winning season(I'll spot you five years ;) ) can the Lions be held in the same conversation with what happened in Cincinnati.

Let me state my friend a Lions defense (which is funny because they have never had one) in this case. The Lions have exactly ONE playoff win in the past 50 years. 50 YEARS-ONE WIN. Now, the past 15 years have been bad for Bengals, I am not discounting your misery, its bad, but the Bengals went to two Super Bowls in the 80's. The Last few coaches for the Lions-Mariucci, Morningwhig, Moeller, Bobby Ross, Wayne Fontes. QB's of the Lions-Harrington, Garcia, McMahon, Batch, Detmer, Scott Mitchell, Dave Krieg, Rodney Peete, Erik Kramer, Chuck Long, Gary Danielson, Eric Hipple, Rusty Hilger, Bob Gagliano, and Jeff Komlo. Now, I don't know about you, but that is not what I would call a great lineup. The Bengals has suffered, but IMO the Lions fans have suffered more. And I love the fact that we are debating which of us all have gone through the most misery.

[brodeurnumber1]

Let's see the last Lions draft picks since 1995: Luther Elliss(turned out to be pretty good in Detroit, got better in Denver), Reggie Brown(career ending neck injury), Jeff Hartings(was solid in Detroit, has been a probowler in Pittsburgh), Bryant Westbrook(ugh), Terry Fair(injury plaged), Chris Claiborne(just a bust in Detroit, and hasn't done much anywhere else), Aaron Gibson(Horrible), Stockar McDougle(aka fatass, who is of course a backup lineman on a below average line in Miami now), Jeff Backus(has been a solid starter), Joey Harrington(well, I'm kind of split on this one), Charles Rogers(not a bust yet, but he'll be one soon), Roy Williams(dropsies, but can be a gamebreaker), Kevin Jones(a little too injury prone, but a good back), and Mike Williams.

The Coaches have been consistently horrible. The GM's are below average. The owner is one of the worst in the league and always will be. The QB's have been way below average. If it wasn't for Boyd, Spileman, and of course, Barry Sanders, the team would have had about 20 straight losing seasons.

And about the draft, forgot about Andre Ware. He's a bigger bust than Ryan Leaf, if you ask me.

[TheDeadWalk]

Okay. So we subtract Kevin Jones, Charles Rogers, Roy and Mike Williams.

Half-credit on Joey Harrington. 1/4 credit if it's a season in-which the Lions play the Cardinals. Toss in QB Andre Ware and that Dolphins backup lineman..

I'll see that and raise you with a hand of Akili Smith, David Klingler (QB's), and toss in a first overall pick Dan Wilkinson (DT).

Reggie Brown (career ending neck injury) I think is just as bad as your first round franchise RB selection Ki-Jana Carter (another first round, first overall pick) blowing his knee out in a pre-season game, missing his entire rookie year. He plays for the team for the next four years and garnishes a whop-busting 747 yards. He couldn't even accumulate 1,000 yards in four god-damn seasons.

I kind of wish the Bengals had a guard or tackle that didn't amount to shit. Everyone they have drafted outside of Jones, Anderson, and Justin Smith in those years have usually been "franchise players" that were projected to jumpstart the offense, like a WR, QB, and/or RB. Cincinnati has failed in the elite game-changing positions with exception of 2nd round steal Corey Dillon, and 2003's Carson Palmer. We also have a running back who isn't the fastest, but fights like a mule which for some reason prompts Marvin Lewis and Mike Brown to draft Chris Perry, while soon-to-be Patriots DT Vince Wilfork is still on the board.

Either way, every few years the Lions have a good season and either win the division or go to the playoffs. They aren't consistently bad for 15 years before finally getting their heads removed from their asses. Despite the lack of a big play QB, they've been a respectful team through the 80s and 90s, and the recent string of bad luck since 01 is why fans are being prompted to call themselves "The New Bengals". Get five more consecutive losing seasons and/or with no more than one 8-8 season in-between and the woe can be shared.

[brodeurnumber1]

Wilkinson has been pretty damn good in Detroit here(of course he has the best DT in the game playing next to him, but still). But back on subject, the Bengals are in great position to be good for a while. They have a good offense set for any Quarterback(if Carson is indeed very badly injured, there's plenty of QB's around that can succeed with Cincy's offense). The defensive line is absolutely horrifying in Cincy, but that'll be fixed by the draft I'm sure and probably some defensive pickups in free agency.

Right now, Detroit is headed in a backwards spiral and will be headed by god damn Russ Grimm next year. Cincy can still make the playoffs and be a good team next year, while Detroit is not even close to that point. I'd take Cincy's history because they've at least felt the taste of a Superbowl a few times, and even had a nice Boomer Esiason in there.

[jeo4]

A reminder to everyone here:

There are thirty two teams in the NFL.

Two make it to the SuperBowl.

One wins.

Same statistics hold true for a varying number of baseball and basketball teams...only two go to the World Series and two go to NBA Championship. And only one wins.

My football team (Kansas City) went 10-6 this year and missed the playoffs by half a game, all on top of being in the winningest division in the NFL. I loved this season. It was incredible. Larry Johnson, Dante Hall, Trent Green...they were all part of the most prolific offense in the league. And we saw Patrick Surtain, Sammy Knight, Derrick Johnson and Jared Allen boost a lame defense up five spaces overall and turn it all the way up to number four against the run. All in Dick Vermeil's final season, and God bless him for making it worth remembering.

No team loses eternally. Ask the Red Sox. Hell, the Royals won't even stay in the cellar long enough to stink the place up. Nothing lasts forever. Sooner or later, the Chiefs will win the title once again. And I'll be there.

[chiefxcel]

my favourite teams have done pretty well over the past 10 years.. new england has won 3 titles, colorado 2, and canada won hockey gold at the '02 olympics and won the world cup in '04.. still no title for the senators though.. in the past 10 superbowls, only 1 time did the team I root for lose (new england in 97).. also rooted for both sox teams to break their curses, and they did.. luck of the irish perhaps

[TheDeadWalk]

Originally posted by brodeurnumber1
Wilkinson has been pretty damn good in Detroit here(of course he has the best DT in the game playing next to him, but still). But back on subject, the Bengals are in great position to be good for a while. They have a good offense set for any Quarterback(if Carson is indeed very badly injured, there's plenty of QB's around that can succeed with Cincy's offense). The defensive line is absolutely horrifying in Cincy, but that'll be fixed by the draft I'm sure and probably some defensive pickups in free agency.

Right now, Detroit is headed in a backwards spiral and will be headed by god damn Russ Grimm next year. Cincy can still make the playoffs and be a good team next year, while Detroit is not even close to that point. I'd take Cincy's history because they've at least felt the taste of a Superbowl a few times, and even had a nice Boomer Esiason in there.

Yeah Dan's come around now two teams later. He was young, inexperienced, and improperly coached in Cincinnati which turned him into a bust, or as James Brown on Fox referred to him "Big Daddy Crud".

Grimm I was actually pulling for to become Browns coach last year before the whole Romeo Crennel talk. He's been around Cowher, understands success, rivalries, and winning divisions, and seems to have a 'don't take shit' attitude.

Marvin came into Cincinnati right after a 2-14 season and brought them up to 8-8. I believe that can be done easily right now if your team has enough balls in the NFC North or NFC West.

[jackson13]

Honestly, to me, nothing is worse than being a Cub fan.

Sox fans identified with us for years, but they finally got their championship, so now they arent like us anymore.

EVERY year is seems like it could be the year, and every year we are let down.

Maybe if we stop saying it...

[SpacePuppet]

I waited 86 years.

[jackson13]

Originally posted by SpacePuppet
I waited 86 years.

You arent 86 years old. And for Cub fans, its been 98 years now. So, I could be like you and say 'I've waited 98 years'.

[Rated R]

Originally posted by jackson13
You arent 86 years old. And for Cub fans, its been 98 years now. So, I could be like you and say 'I've waited 98 years'.

That has a bit of venom in it...this isn't a competition guys, what our teams do is a competition. This is an argument on who is the fan of the shittiest franchise, it's ridiculous. My team sucks...yeah well my team sucks worse! Sorry guys...I'm a Dolphins fan...wait, we're equal...wow

[jackson13]

Originally posted by Rated R
That has a bit of venom in it...this isn't a competition guys, what our teams do is a competition. This is an argument on who is the fan of the shittiest franchise, it's ridiculous. My team sucks...yeah well my team sucks worse! Sorry guys...I'm a Dolphins fan...wait, we're equal...wow

I know that its not a competition. I started the thread. And there wasnt meant to be any venom in that reply. I just wanted to state that, yes, Sox fans waited 86 years, but Spacepuppet is not 86 years old, so obviously he/she didnt wait 86 years. Some people did, sure, but he didnt. He waited however old he is. Like me, I'm 21. So I've waited 21 years. its been 98 years altogether, but I've personally been waiting 21. That's all.

Besides, no sports fan can even compare to waiting for a team to win like a Cub fan can. We are the laughing stock of everyone because its been so long. If anyone can even come close, it'd have to be a fan of a team thats never won anything, like the Devil Rays, but then, like mentioned, that team has only been around something like 8 years so those fans have only waited 8 years. Big difference between 98 and 8.

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by Rated R
That has a bit of venom in it...this isn't a competition guys, what our teams do is a competition. This is an argument on who is the fan of the shittiest franchise, it's ridiculous. My team sucks...yeah well my team sucks worse! Sorry guys...I'm a Dolphins fan...wait, we're equal...wow

For the Bengals/Browns and Lions fans it is.

[Rated R]

Originally posted by jackson13

Besides, no sports fan can even compare to waiting for a team to win like a Cub fan can. We are the laughing stock of everyone because its been so long. If anyone can even come close, it'd have to be a fan of a team thats never won anything, like the Devil Rays, but then, like mentioned, that team has only been around something like 8 years so those fans have only waited 8 years. Big difference between 98 and 8.

If it hurts so bad, stop liking them...wait, it's part of the fun. Sure when they finally win it will be gratifying and be amazing, but then you'll lose the thrill of the chase. By never knowing ultimate victory, by seeing it within your grasp only to lose it...it stings but there's something fun about it too. You're one of the liveliest fans I've ever had the pleasure of reading posts from, I hope when the Cubs finally do win that you do not lose any of your fire.

[TheDeadWalk]

We're equal?

I'm sorry I didn't catch that, I was busy watching some champagne bottles get popped.

[SpacePuppet]

Originally posted by jackson13
You arent 86 years old.

How do you know?

[jackson13]

Originally posted by SpacePuppet
How do you know?

Well, if you are, congrats on being the first 86 year old to know how to use a computer. My grandma is 72 and can barely drive.

[bob]

Originally posted by bfox1220
How is that even possible?????? Who do you root for with a trip to the series on the line??

I like the Yankees slightly more because of their players, but I was partially raised in New England so I've got a subconscious pull towards to Bosox. But I pull for the Yankees in head-to-head matchups.

By the by, Jackson's right: Being a Cub fan takes the cake, IMO.

*

[jackson13]

Originally posted by bob
By the by, Jackson's right: Being a Cub fan takes the cake, IMO.

I cannot help but quote the janitor on Scrubs when it comes to the Cubs: "Depressing how, like being a Cubs fan your entire life?..."

There's more to the quote, but thats all I remember. In fact, its all I need to remember. It is depressing, but dammit, I wake up everyday, look at my couch and see the Cubs blanket and pillows on it, and smile.

I guess it's true: "Goonies never say die."