Wonder Woman Leak?

[Huttjos]

I was just watching the deleted scenes from "Serenity" DVD. More specificly the one called "Inara and Shyra" or something like that.

Anyway, I was watching it with the commentary on, done by Joss Whedon himself, and he said something that I thought was interesting.

When he was talking about how Inara was trainging the girls with swords and bow & arrows, he said that test screenings thought it was too much like wonder woman. Then he says " Pause for irony. Unpause."

I think Mr. Whedon has already found himself a Wonder Woman. Or atleast has one inmind.


What you guys think?

[cocksmokinclerk]

hmmm interesting, i was never a big fan of wonder woman so i dont care that much, but that is pretty cool how he did that

[Patrick Bateman]

Well if Joss Whedon decides to go with Morena Baccarin for Wonder Woman, that would be just fine by me.

Currently, Morena is my favourite actress among the 20-somethings that have been rumored for the role. If Whedon was going with 30-something year old Wonder Woman, my pick would most definately be the beautiful Jennifer Connelly.

Morena Baccarin is both beautiful, and a talented actress. Two very necessary requirements for the role, IMO. I've seen girls mentioned for this who definately look the part, but have had little to none acting experience. And to cast someone along those lines, I think, may just ultimately prove to be a fatal error in the hopes of a continuing franchise. Eye candy is good and all, but it's going to take much more than that to pull this role off successfully. I'm more interested in someone who can act. And from what I've seen of Miss Baccarin, I think she would be a pretty damn good choice.

I would honestly prefer Jennifer Connelly for Wonder Woman (she would be a great contemporary for Christian Bale I think), but if Whedon wants a younger Wonder Woman who is in her 20's, then Morena Baccarin all the way.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0409/20/morenath.jpg

[soda]

this is old news, there's a huge thread on it at superherohype already:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218810

The thing to keep in mind, with ANYTHING Joss Wheddon says is that the man is a comedic genius, you never know when he's being serious and when he's just yanking people's chain. Here, as an example, is what he recently said about sam loeb (a 17 year old friend of his who died of cancer):

"”In case I haven't brayed this often enough: I gave Sam Loeb his start in comics. Yeah, I know talent when I see it. Sam had the same wit, the same disarming swagger, and after a few rounds of chemo, the same amount of hair as his father. I said to myself, 'I've got these vampire tales - if Drew Goddard can write one, a shaved monkey could!’ After several less-than-successful attempts to shave monkeys, I thought of Sam. Of course! ‘Here's someone you can use and then spit out in the gutter like so many writers before him.’ Leave it to Sam to bail before I could get to the spitting part. But he gave me a fine vampire tale, and he gave us Superman/Batman #26. Because make no mistake, Sam had this story wired. When Jeph told me what I was to write, my comment was, ‘So I'm basically adding a 'the'. Where do you want it?’ The story resonated so well and was all structured up - and I can't be the first person to point out that it could be a story about Sam and the 26. Or the 25 + me, as I like to think of it. 'Cause my 'the' placement is impeccable. It'll be the 'the' heard round the world. I like to think that Sam would approve.

“But I also like to think that Sam wouldn't get frikkin' cancer, so I'm living in a dreamworld of candy canes and tastefully shaved monkeys. You know what? F**k cancer. Sam should be finishing this story, as a prelude to hundreds of others. Oh maybe Sam would've chosen a different career than his father's, but no way. Sam was one of us from the start. Always around with the big funny-book wigs, always comfortable, at ease but never entitled, never obnoxious like his fath - like Drew Goddard. I want this book to sell, so we can raise some money and get that much closer to a frikkin' cure, but also so Sam can have a Top Ten book and lord it over all those 'alive' writers who don't sell as well. Sam, this 'the's for you."

-Joss Wheddon

That's the problem with the guy, he can crack jokes about a close friend dying of cancer. So, take this "rumor" with a grain of salt. I do think the actress is perfect for the part, and she's my first choice, but we'll see.

[Patrick Bateman]

I was aware that this bit of casting speculation has been discussed before, but I was unaware of Whedon's comments on the "Serenity" DVD ...

It's true that Whedon isnt a guy you should take 100% seriously all the time, but I sincerely hope he isnt pulling our chain with Miss Baccarin is concerned.

His recent comments about The Punisher being a coward because he *gasp* Kills has me a bit perplexed. But also has me interested in what his opinion is of the current Wonder Woman in the DCU? Considering that she fairly recently killed Max Lord, and seemingly has no regrets about it either.

[The Heart Collector]

Isn't the 'irony' that HE, Joss Whedon, is directing Wonder Woman, when people are telling him NOT to make the action Wonder Womanish?

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
Isn't the 'irony' that HE, Joss Whedon, is directing Wonder Woman, when people are telling him NOT to make the action Wonder Womanish?

EXACTLY. ITs got nothin to do with casting.

Morena was shooting a bow and arrow. Fans at the screenings said, hey thats too much like wonder woman! (pause for irony). So they digitally removed the bow and arrow, and put in some bolt-shooter thingy.

Nothing at all to do with casting.

[soda]

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
I was aware that this bit of casting speculation has been discussed before, but I was unaware of Whedon's comments on the "Serenity" DVD ...

It's true that Whedon isnt a guy you should take 100% seriously all the time, but I sincerely hope he isnt pulling our chain with Miss Baccarin is concerned.

His recent comments about The Punisher being a coward because he *gasp* Kills has me a bit perplexed. But also has me interested in what his opinion is of the current Wonder Woman in the DCU? Considering that she fairly recently killed Max Lord, and seemingly has no regrets about it either.

yeah, but whenever someone points that out to us comic book fans, we just blame Alexander Luthor, it is, after all, totally his fault (okay, okay, Superboy Prime helped too, a little). Besides, whose to say that Max Lord didn't deserve it? First of all, he was clearly in cahoots with Alexander Luthor from the start, there's no way there are two people on the planet with that kind of ability to screw over (ie mind-control) a superman. Second, He was running the freakin' anti-monitor's secret society of shadow-demo....err, OMACS. If you ask me, Wonder Woman did the right thing.

Back on topic, I would generally prefer that, of all the actors whose name I've heard, Baccarin is probably my favorite, at the moment. However, I do have faith in Joss Wheddon to get this right, and I have faith in him as a film maker to believe that this film is going to totally rule, and give everyone something else to talk about in 2007 besides Spiderman 3. I, also, am waiting anxiously to hear casting news about who gets the part, but I trust Joss Wheddon to make the right pick, so I'm not really sweating it. What worries me is the rumor I heard that he wants Baccarin, but that the studio wants Jessica Alba. Alba would be a pretty horrible pick, IMHO (she already didn't do anything for me as Sue Storm and Nancy Callahan, I have little faith in her ability to do Diana of Themyscria). I trust Joss Wheddon, and I hope the studio does too, if they simply keep their grimey paws as far away from this project as they can, and just let him do whatever the heck he wants to, they'll get a great movie. For those of you who don't know, Joss Wheddon writes a tremendously great super-hero comic book (his Astonishing X-men is the best xmen comic I've read since the Claremont / Byrness run of the 70s), so I'm confident he'll write a great script and do a great job with this project, please, studio and WB, don't lose your newfound credibility and newfound competence, stay away from this project and let the very capable hands that you've put it in run the show.

[m_burlock]

I've heard a rumor that says Lucy Lawless is being considered for a Wonder Woman live action film. I'd say she'd be well suited for the role considering the experience she gained from doing six seasons/series' of Xena: Warrior Princess. Besides, she's a TALENTED actress in my opinion!!

[Sh8dy Milkman]

Originally posted by m_burlock
I've heard a rumor that says Lucy Lawless is being considered for a Wonder Woman live action film. I'd say she'd be well suited for the role considering the experience she gained from doing six seasons/series' of Xena: Warrior Princess. Besides, she's a TALENTED actress in my opinion!!

Yea...but she is probably a little older than what they're looking for.

[Raul Duke]

nobody cares about female heroes.....yes i speak for everyone

Catwoman - flop
Aeon Flux - flop
Elektra - flop
Ultraviolet - outside of movie nerds like us who loved Equilibrium, it will probably flop...or suck

infact, the only movies in recent memory with a female hero like lead was the Kill Bill movies.

This movie will be a massive flop, the "wow this chick is hot in that outfit" thoughts will not be enough to get people to see this.

[The Heart Collector]

Wonder Woman is a bit more notorious than all the ones you mentioned.

[Raul Duke]

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
Wonder Woman is a bit more notorious than all the ones you mentioned.

so what, she still sucks. She's at the bottom of the Superhero totem pole, no one wants to see a female hero, not even females care about her

[soda]

Originally posted by Raul Duke
nobody cares about female heroes.....yes i speak for everyone

Catwoman - flop
Aeon Flux - flop
Elektra - flop
Ultraviolet - outside of movie nerds like us who loved Equilibrium, it will probably flop...or suck

infact, the only movies in recent memory with a female hero like lead was the Kill Bill movies.

This movie will be a massive flop, the "wow this chick is hot in that outfit" thoughts will not be enough to get people to see this.

quick point, but the examples that you brought up, those were horrible movies, period, regardless of the gender of the person in the lead role.

IMHO, bad movies, made by crappy creative people, suck, there have been plenty of movies with male leads that have had bad direction and / or writing, and that's what sunk them. The problem isn't the gender of the lead character = bad movie, it's bad people making a bad product with a female lead. Your confusing the order of the chicken and the egg.

Here's a cautionary tale. I've been a comic book fan my whole life, and wonder woman never sold, I mean never sold. You could say the same thing for a lot of books with female superheroes in the lead (Supergirl, powergirl, etc.), however, the key is that the same could be said for a ton of books with male leads. Martian Manhunter is one of those, Aquaman is another. All my life, DC has tried, desperately, to sell these titles, and all my life, they failed miserably. All of these characters were interesting to someone at some point in the past, that's why they were created, but often, what one person creates is discarded by others. Wolverine is very rare (lightning in a bottle, the rare character that bursts on the scene and instantly becomes a smash hit). One of the great examples of what I'm talking about is Harlequinn, Paul Dini created her in the early nineties, and she was instantly popular, and you see her all over DC comics. However, wolverine and Harle are the exception, not the rule. Take a look at the entire JSA. All my life, DC has published a JSA comic and all my life, it's never sold.

My point? Being female, or male title character, isn't what's keeping these books down, and it isn't what's keeping the movies down. What kept Wonder woman, power girl, and supergirl down was the same thing that kept aquaman, hawkman, and martian manhunter down: bad writers, or writers who write characters they have no emotional connection and don't care about, but writers who write a character just to pick up a paycheck.

That's changing in the world of comics, and I hope that change can translate to the bigger world. As the legendary comic book writer Jeph Loeb said: "you know comics are entering a golden age when store owners can't keep power girl, wonder woman and supergirl's books on the shelves." My local shop can't anymore. He sold 150 issues of Supergirl in the last two days. What changed?

DC put Greg Rucka on Wonder Woman.

DC put Geoff Johns on Power Girl.

DC put Jeph Loeb on Supergirl (and Greg Rucka is going to take over that book next).

Its what we call the "wonder twins theorem" in my local shop (we talk about it all the time).

The Wonder Twins theorem - there are some creators out there whose work we all love so much, that if said creator hosted a press conference tomorrow and said "I want to do a wonder twins book", we'd say "great, sign me up, I'll buy it. Challenge of the Superfriends left so many unanswered questions about Zan and Jayna, how does one acquire the most useless superpower ever (turning into water) anyway? What supervillians can you beat by turning into water? Where did gleek get the bucket?" For me, Frank Miller is this guy, so is Paul Dini, so is Ed Brubaker, if those guys put out a wonder twins book, I'd actually buy it.

DC put "wonder twins theorem" creators on Wonder Woman, Power Girl and Super girl, that's why those books sell like hotcakes. DC put Gail SImmone, one of the most gifted writers in the business, on "birds of prey", an all girls super team book, and the thing sells like crazy (at my local shop, birds of prey sells better than Justice League), because gail loves the birds and she totally loves writing the title every month and you can feel her love for the characters in every page of the title.

The bottom line is that what Wonder Woman has, where it will succeed where Catwoman, Electra and co flopped is because of one factor: Wonder Woman has Joss Wheddon, those other movies didn't. He's the difference. Read Astonshing Xmen, it is THE coolest xmen comic I've read in my years as a fan. Joss Wheddon is absolutely a "wonder twins theorem" guy, he could write anything and it would rule.

That's the big difference between you guys and me, that's why I believe in this project while most of you seem skeptical, it's because I read Astonishing Xmen every month, it's because I've seen Joss Wheddon write comic book characters, it's because I know he's one of the most gifted minds in our entire industry, it's because I know he has extensive experience with bonafide successful things that people will watch featuring strong female lead characters (Buffy the Vampire Slayer) and because he also has the strong comic book background to boot (Astonishing xmen).

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally posted by soda
yeah, but whenever someone points that out to us comic book fans, we just blame Alexander Luthor, it is, after all, totally his fault (okay, okay, Superboy Prime helped too, a little). Besides, whose to say that Max Lord didn't deserve it? First of all, he was clearly in cahoots with Alexander Luthor from the start, there's no way there are two people on the planet with that kind of ability to screw over (ie mind-control) a superman. Second, He was running the freakin' anti-monitor's secret society of shadow-demo....err, OMACS. If you ask me, Wonder Woman did the right thing.

Well I have to say that I am also one of those who agrees that WW did the right thing as far as Mr. Lord is concerned. Even if she grows to regret that act, I think that the decision she made, in short made her much more of a believable character, IMO. Although killing should be the very last resort as far as characters like Superman, and Wonder Woman as concerned, I think it shouldnt be something thats just totally out of the question either. With the power this guy had over Supes, simply knocking the guy out wasnt going to cut it at all. Basically, it has added much depth and drama to the overall storyline of Infinite Crisis. Which I think has been spectacular so far.

What worries me is the rumor I heard that he wants Baccarin, but that the studio wants Jessica Alba. Alba would be a pretty horrible pick, IMHO (she already didn't do anything for me as Sue Storm and Nancy Callahan, I have little faith in her ability to do Diana of Themyscria).

Never heard of the Jessica Alba rumor, but that would be truly horrid casting there. :o

[Psychocandy]

Originally posted by Raul Duke
nobody cares about female heroes.....yes i speak for everyone

Catwoman - flop
Aeon Flux - flop
Elektra - flop
Ultraviolet - outside of movie nerds like us who loved Equilibrium, it will probably flop...or suck

infact, the only movies in recent memory with a female hero like lead was the Kill Bill movies.

This movie will be a massive flop, the "wow this chick is hot in that outfit" thoughts will not be enough to get people to see this.

It's got fuck all to do with whether or not anyone cares about female heroes. All of the movies you mentioned were fucking terrible. That's why they flopped. It's got shag all to do with the fact that main protaginist was female. If the movies had been good (or better still great) they would have done better. I think the Wonder Woman movie has a lot of potential. Especially with someone like Joss Whedon at the helm who has no small amount of experience when it comes to female protaginists. And i'm getting sick of faux clairvoyants predicting that movies that are barely into pre-production are going to flop with absolute certainty. If you can read the future then PM me with next weeks lottery numbers.

[Sigur509]

Originally posted by Psychocandy
Especially with someone like Joss Whedon at the helm who has no small amount of experience when it comes to female protaginists.

What he said.

[Raul Duke]

Originally posted by Psychocandy
It's got fuck all to do with whether or not anyone cares about female heroes. All of the movies you mentioned were fucking terrible. That's why they flopped. It's got shag all to do with the fact that main protaginist was female. If the movies had been good (or better still great) they would have done better. I think the Wonder Woman movie has a lot of potential. Especially with someone like Joss Whedon at the helm who has no small amount of experience when it comes to female protaginists. And i'm getting sick of faux clairvoyants predicting that movies that are barely into pre-production are going to flop with absolute certainty. If you can read the future then PM me with next weeks lottery numbers.

well no shit they sucked, bt who the fuck wanted to see them? Im sure when people heard of the movies in production they werent marking their calenders, b/c as I said, the general public does not give a fuck about a female lead hero. This movie can look cool as hell, still I will bet you it will not even come close to makin it's money back in theatres, could break even with dvds, i mean most do.

[Psychocandy]

Originally posted by Raul Duke
well no shit they sucked, bt who the fuck wanted to see them? Im sure when people heard of the movies in production they werent marking their calenders, b/c as I said, the general public does not give a fuck about a female lead hero. This movie can look cool as hell, still I will bet you it will not even come close to makin it's money back in theatres, could break even with dvds, i mean most do.

Nope. Disagree. I believe 100% that if the movies you listed had been good then a combination of positive reviews and word of mouth would have brought the punters in. But they sucked. And because of the internet most people knew that they sucked before they even hit the cinema. Now if you want me to list some movies that have been hits with female protagonists then look no further than the two movies that you mentioned. Kill Bill 1 & 2. Beyond that there's Underworld. And what about Aliens and Alien 3? If you want to look beyond the realms of cinema what about the success of Buffy The Vampire Slayer? The movie sucked and took a nose dive. The series did not suck and was a success. You see the pattern here? Suck = no success. Not suck = success. Personally I would be highly disappointed if cinemagoers were so misogynistic that they would refuse to pay money to see a good (or great) movie just because it had a female lead.

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally posted by Psychocandy
Personally I would be highly disappointed if cinemagoers were so misogynistic that they would refuse to pay money to see a good (or great) movie just because it had a female lead.

Very well said.

I second that emotion.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by Raul Duke
nobody cares about female heroes.....yes i speak for everyone

Catwoman - flop
Aeon Flux - flop
Elektra - flop
Ultraviolet - outside of movie nerds like us who loved Equilibrium, it will probably flop...or suck

infact, the only movies in recent memory with a female hero like lead was the Kill Bill movies.

This movie will be a massive flop, the "wow this chick is hot in that outfit" thoughts will not be enough to get people to see this.

The difference? Kill Bill was a good movie.

[soda]

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
Well I have to say that I am also one of those who agrees that WW did the right thing as far as Mr. Lord is concerned. Even if she grows to regret that act, I think that the decision she made, in short made her much more of a believable character, IMO.

There's already been cause for regret, Max Lord might be dead, but Brother I got very, very pissed as a result, I think that Wonder Woman did the right thing, maybe the only thing, however, brother I has made sure she'd pay the price for her decision. Now, Themiscyra itself has disappeared from "man's world" as a result of Diana's actions, and the OMACs work for Alexander Luthor. Yep, things have gotten pretty bad. However, I appreciate that the folks at DC comics didn't just resolve a plot by having Diana do the deed, but rather, have painstakingly showed us the fallout of that decision.

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
Basically, it has added much depth and drama to the overall storyline of Infinite Crisis. Which I think has been spectacular so far.


I just wanted to take a moment to address this point too, one of the biggest surprises of the last year or so, for me, is how freakin' good Infinite Crisis has been. They did a poll at Newsarama a few weeks ago, where they asked comic book fans to vote on a "star rating" for Infinite Crisis, and 89% of the people who voted gave it five stars or four stars out of five. I've been a comic book fan a loooooong time, NOTHING gets an 89% approval rating, nothing. Comic book fans are so fickle, and the tastes of one fan are so radically different from those of others, we're such a diverse fan base it should be theoritically impossible to publish a book that 80% of the fan base loves. If you get 50%, that's usually magic. Crisis has done it, by loading each and every issue with wall to wall action, drama, real emotions, and real good and evil, and terrific one-liners, such as:

"The last time you inspired anyone was when you were dead."
"This looks like a job for superman!"
"Grandpa?"
"The best."
"When I grow up, I'm going to be Superman"

It's one of the finest books I've ever read, it's what a mega-crossover should be.

Back on the subject of Wonder Woman, for a second, were you, or did you hear by any chance, the news out of Wondercon a couple of weekends back? I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, so I went. On Saturday night, there was DC's panel, and there's was a bunch of movie stuff, on Saturday night, there was:

- V for Vendetta footage.

- Mission Impossible 3 footage and interviews.

- Superman returns footage (Singer showed us the Comic Con San Diego footage), plus a session with Bryan Singer and Brandon Routh, which was Routh's first public fan session as Superman.

-numerous other movie news and bric and brac.

All in all, a very cool night. I went to wondercon on Sunday, and with all that cool movie stuff on Saturday night, do you know what the only thing anyone was talking about on Sunday was? In a clue about how big Infinite Crisis is, the only thing I heard on the floor at con was:

"have you seen the full Jim Lee cover to crisis #5 yet?"

"Did you see the Jim Lee cover to crisis #5 last night?"

Geoff Johns had the full (uncensored) Jim Lee cover to Infinite Crisis #5 on his computer, and he apparently showed it to the assembled masses, and it drove everyone bonkers! There are five individuals on this cover: blue beetle, booster gold and batman in the foreground, and in the background, the woman on the right hand side is our modern, post-crisis Wonder Woman (Diana of Themyscira), and the woman on the left is the original Golden Age Wonder Woman (Diana Prince). This swept off infinite speculation that the original golden age wonder woman would come down off of Mt. Olympus in the next issue and help Kal-l, or would come down and help our modern heroes to stop Kal-l and Alexander Luthor, or would replace our modern wonder woman and would take over the mantle, or any number of cool speculations.

[wepnx]

personally I think Evangeline Lily (from the show lost, dummy!) would be a great chioce for the title role in wonder woman.

[Tuukka]

Originally posted by Raul Duke
nobody cares about female heroes.....yes i speak for everyone

Catwoman - flop
Aeon Flux - flop
Elektra - flop
Ultraviolet - outside of movie nerds like us who loved Equilibrium, it will probably flop...or suck

infact, the only movies in recent memory with a female hero like lead was the Kill Bill movies.

This movie will be a massive flop, the "wow this chick is hot in that outfit" thoughts will not be enough to get people to see this.

Kill Bill - Hit
Kill bill 2 - Hit
Resident Evilt - Hit
Resident Evil: Apocalypse - Hit (Sequel already coming)
Aliens Vs. Predator - Hit (Sequel already coming)
Underworld - Hit
Underworld: Evolution - Hit (Sequel already coming)

...Those were all recent movies. Your theory isn't working, really.

None of those films were HUGE successes, but they didn't have huge budgest and marketing, either. If Hollywood would make 100+ million action movies with female leads, then we would be seeing more 100+ million grossers with female leads.